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*** On the subject of tight ends, Darren Waller, currently with the New York Giants, gets this from two directions. First, his great-grandfather was legendary composer and jazz pianist Fats Waller. Second, he married WNBA superstar Kelsey Plum in 2023.

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*** On the subject of tight ends, Darren Waller, currently with the New York Giants, gets this from two directions. First, his great-grandfather was legendary composer and jazz pianist Fats Waller. Second, he married WNBA superstar Kelsey Plum in 2023.2023, though they filed for divorce the next year.
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Nelly Korda won another major this week.


*** Petr and Regina have three children--in order of age, golfers Jessica and Nelly, and tennis player Sebastian. Nelly in particular has so far overshadowed the rest of her family; as of April 2024, she's won 12 times on the LPGA Tour, including one major; won the women's gold medal at the 2020 (21) Olympics; and has had three stints at #1 in the world rankings (including the end-of-year #1 in 2021). Jessica has won six LPGA events, but has yet to win a major or end a year in the top 10. Sebastian had notable success in the junior ranks, but didn't significantly dent the top 40 in the ATP rankings until late 2022, and has yet to reach a Slam final.

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*** Petr and Regina have three children--in order of age, golfers Jessica and Nelly, and tennis player Sebastian. Nelly in particular has so far overshadowed the rest of her family; as of late April 2024, she's won 12 13 times on the LPGA Tour, including one major; two majors; won the women's gold medal at the 2020 (21) Olympics; and has had three stints at #1 in the world rankings (including the end-of-year #1 in 2021). Jessica has won six LPGA events, but has yet to win a major or end a year in the top 10. Sebastian had notable success in the junior ranks, but didn't significantly dent the top 40 in the ATP rankings until late 2022, and has yet to reach a Slam final.
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*** Heath Irwin had a great college career, earning All-America nods twice as an offensive lineman at Colorado before going on to a decent but not great NFL career. As such, he overshadowed his father Phil, who was a starting linebacker at Colorado for three seasons but didn't make it to the pros. Heath also overshadowed his uncle and Phil's brother Hale, who was a two-time All-Big Eight Conference safety at Colorado. Or, more accurately, Heath overshadowed Hale when it came to football. However, Hale ended up ''hugely'' overshadowing his brother and nephew--he was also an All-America golfer and opted for that sport at the next level. Hale went on to win 20 times on the PGA Tour, including three U.S. Opens, and make the World Golf Hall of Fame. And ''after'' making the HOF, he turned 50 and became eligible for the U.S. senior tour now known as PGA Tour Champions, winning a still-record 45 titles on that tour, including seven of its major championships.

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*** Heath Irwin had a great college career, earning All-America nods twice as an offensive lineman at Colorado before going on to a decent but not great NFL career. As such, he overshadowed his father Phil, who was a starting linebacker at Colorado for three seasons but didn't make it to the pros. Heath also overshadowed his uncle and Phil's brother Hale, who was a two-time All-Big Eight Conference safety at Colorado. Or, more accurately, Heath overshadowed Hale when it came to football. However, Hale ended up ''hugely'' overshadowing his brother and nephew--he was also an All-America golfer and opted for that sport at the next level. Hale went on to win 20 times on the PGA Tour, including three U.S. Opens, and make the World Golf Hall of Fame. And ''after'' making the HOF, he turned 50 and became eligible for the U.S. senior tour now known as PGA Tour Champions, winning a still-record then-record 45 titles on that tour, including seven of its major championships.



*** Petr and Regina have three children--in order of age, golfers Jessica and Nelly, and tennis player Sebastian. Nelly in particular has so far overshadowed the rest of her family; as of January 2023, she's won eight times on the LPGA Tour, including one major; won the women's gold medal at the 2020 (21) Olympics; and has been #1 in the world rankings twice (including the end-of-year #1 in 2021). Jessica has won six LPGA events, but has yet to win a major or end a year in the top 10. Sebastian had notable success in the junior ranks, but didn't significantly dent the top 40 in the ATP rankings until late 2022, and has yet to reach a Slam final.

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*** Petr and Regina have three children--in order of age, golfers Jessica and Nelly, and tennis player Sebastian. Nelly in particular has so far overshadowed the rest of her family; as of January 2023, April 2024, she's won eight 12 times on the LPGA Tour, including one major; won the women's gold medal at the 2020 (21) Olympics; and has been had three stints at #1 in the world rankings twice (including the end-of-year #1 in 2021). Jessica has won six LPGA events, but has yet to win a major or end a year in the top 10. Sebastian had notable success in the junior ranks, but didn't significantly dent the top 40 in the ATP rankings until late 2022, and has yet to reach a Slam final.

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Some NFL–WNBA crossovers, with the NFL players being overshadowed by their wives.


*** Zach Ertz is a very good tight end with the Philadelphia Eagles and Arizona Cardinals, with a Super Bowl ring and three Pro Bowl nods with the Eagles. Nonetheless, he's overshadowed by his wife Julie, who has two World Cup winner's medals with the US women's soccer team.

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*** Zach Ertz is a very good NFL tight end end, most notably with the Philadelphia Eagles and Arizona Cardinals, with Eagles, earning a Super Bowl ring and three Pro Bowl nods with the Eagles. that team. Nonetheless, he's overshadowed by his wife Julie, who has two World Cup winner's medals with the US women's soccer team.team.
*** On the subject of tight ends, Darren Waller, currently with the New York Giants, gets this from two directions. First, his great-grandfather was legendary composer and jazz pianist Fats Waller. Second, he married WNBA superstar Kelsey Plum in 2023.
*** Another crossover between the NFL and WNBA: Hroniss Grasu, a center for the Las Vegas Raiders, married the much more famous Sabrina Ionescu in March 2024.
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*** Valeri Liukin was a star on the 1988 Olympic Gymnastics team, but he's not nearly as popular and recognized as his daughter Nastia.

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*** Valeri Liukin was a star on the USSR's 1988 men's Olympic Gymnastics gymnastics team, but he's not nearly as popular and recognized as his Olympic all-around champion daughter Nastia.



*** Farhat Mustafin was a pretty good wrestler for the Soviet Union, winning a bronze medal in 1976. But he is entirely overshadowed by his daughter Aliya Mustafina, an all-around world champion and seven-time Olympic medalist who is indisputably the greatest Russian gymnast since Svetlana Khorkina.

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*** Farhat Mustafin was a pretty good wrestler for the Soviet Union, winning a bronze medal in 1976. But he is entirely overshadowed by his daughter Aliya Mustafina, an all-around world champion champion, two-time Olympian, and seven-time Olympic medalist who is indisputably the greatest Russian gymnast since Svetlana Khorkina.Khorkina and by far the best Russian gymnast of her generation.
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*** Pat Mahomes was a journeyman pitcher in the 1990s and early 2000s for six MLB teams, plus one in Japan. His son Patrick[[note]]in full, Patrick Lavon Mahomes II[[/note]] is one of the NFL's best quarterbacks, earning two league MVP awards and leading the Chiefs to three Super Bowls, winning two.

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*** Pat Mahomes was a journeyman pitcher in the 1990s and early 2000s for six MLB teams, plus one in Japan. His son Patrick[[note]]in full, Patrick Lavon Mahomes II[[/note]] is one of the NFL's best quarterbacks, earning two league MVP awards and leading the Chiefs to three four Super Bowls, winning two.three.
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* On a similar vein to the Cards, two teams are tied for third overall in World Series titles: the Boston Red Sox...and the Oakland Athletics. The Sox subvert this trope by virtue of being the Yankees' mortal enemy and a storied franchise in itself (in spite of the "Curse of Bambino" which lasted from 1918 to 2004). The A's, on the other hand, suffer this trope in spades. While they have had successful teams in their history (e.g. the '72-'74 three-peat, the "Moneyball" era) and quite a few famous names (e.g. Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Mark [=McGwire=]), the A's are most well known for being moved around the country twice[[note]]first from Philadelphia to Kansas City, then from KC to Oakland[[/note]], having a lower budget than most teams, subsequently losing their best players to richer teams [[note]] particularly during [[AudienceAlienatingEra their years in Kansas City]], when they served as a farm team of sorts for the Yankees [[/note]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking having what is perhaps the worst stadium in Major League Baseball right now]]. It's worth noting that they're more well known for being the main subject of [[{{Film/Moneyball}} a movie]] than for their somewhat remarkable achievements in baseball.
** The A's also struggle to stand out in the Bay Area, particularly versus their San Francisco based counterparts. The A's MLB rivals in the [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter San Francisco Giants]] often overshadow them, despite having less overall titles, due to their richer budget, recent success, and superior stadium. Even outside of baseball, the A's also have to compete with two other storied, championship-winning SF-based teams in the San Francisco 49ers and the Golden State Warriors. Even in the South Bay Area [[note]] consisting of San Jose and Santa Clara [[/note]], the A's struggle to stand out versus the 49ers [[note]] based in San Francisco, but play their games in Santa Clara [[/note]], the Sharks [[note]]perennial playoff chokers, but still a consistently competitive team [[/note]], the Warriors [[note]]based in San Francisco, but are well-supported around the Bay Area [[/note]], and, of course, the Giants [[note]] who consider the South Bay as part of their territory AND have their Low-A affiliate based in San Jose [[/note]]. Going back to Oakland, the A's played second or third fiddle at times to the Raiders and Warriors, before the Warriors moved across the Bay to San Francisco and the Raiders bolted to Las Vegas. Speaking of which, since the A's couldn't get a stadium deal done in Oakland, they now have one foot out the door to Vegas, having already bought land for a new ballpark in that area.

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* On a similar vein to the Cards, two teams are tied for third overall in World Series titles: the Boston Red Sox...and the Oakland Athletics. The Sox subvert this trope by virtue of being the Yankees' mortal enemy and a storied franchise in itself (in spite of the "Curse of Bambino" which lasted from 1918 to 2004). The A's, on the other hand, suffer this trope in spades. While they have had successful teams in their history (e.g. the '72-'74 three-peat, the "Moneyball" era) and quite a few famous names (e.g. Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Mark [=McGwire=]), the A's are most well known for being moved around the country twice[[note]]first from Philadelphia to Kansas City, then from KC to Oakland[[/note]], Oakland, with a third move to Las Vegas coming soon[[/note]], having a lower budget than most teams, subsequently losing their best players to richer teams [[note]] particularly during [[AudienceAlienatingEra their years in Kansas City]], when they served as a farm team of sorts for the Yankees [[/note]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking having what is perhaps the worst stadium in Major League Baseball right now]]. It's worth noting that they're more well known for being the main subject of [[{{Film/Moneyball}} a movie]] than for their somewhat remarkable achievements in baseball.
** The A's also struggle to stand out in the Bay Area, particularly versus their San Francisco based counterparts. The A's MLB rivals in the [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter San Francisco Giants]] often overshadow them, despite having less overall titles, due to their richer budget, recent success, and superior stadium. Even outside of baseball, the A's also have to compete with two other storied, championship-winning SF-based teams in the San Francisco 49ers and the Golden State Warriors. Even in the South Bay Area [[note]] consisting of San Jose and Santa Clara [[/note]], the A's struggle to stand out versus the 49ers [[note]] based in San Francisco, but play their games in Santa Clara [[/note]], the Sharks [[note]]perennial playoff chokers, but still a consistently competitive team [[/note]], the Warriors [[note]]based in San Francisco, but are well-supported around the Bay Area [[/note]], and, of course, the Giants [[note]] who consider the South Bay as part of their territory AND have their Low-A affiliate based in San Jose [[/note]]. Going back to Oakland, the A's played second or third fiddle at times to the Raiders and Warriors, before the Warriors moved across the Bay to San Francisco and the Raiders bolted to Las Vegas. Speaking of which, since the A's couldn't get a stadium deal done in Oakland, they now have one foot out the door to Vegas, having already bought land for a new ballpark in that area.area and received approval for the move from other MLB team owners.



* Mike Mussina was a fantastic pitcher with a great peak and a long, very productive career. However, his career happened to nearly completely coincide with four other pitchers - Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, and Pedro Martínez - who all have a legitimate stake in the greatest pitcher of all time argument, and three of them (all but Maddux) spent time in the same league as him during his prime. While Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Curt Schilling also suffer from this to some degree, having pitched in the same time period, the former two were at least able to win a Cy Young twice and once respectively before Johnson came over to dominate the National League (as well as got a ton of national attention by pitching alongside Maddux on the legendary 90s/early 2000s Braves teams); Smoltz also joined Dennis Eckersley as the only pitchers with 20-win and 50-save seasons; and Schilling won three World Series rings with legendary postseason moments, including being a pivotal player in the Diamondbacks' first (and only) World Series win and in the Red Sox finally ending their 86-year championship drought. Mussina, on the other hand, never won a Cy Young (with the one time he finished runner-up in 1999, Pedro happened to throw arguably the greatest pitching season ever), and he never won a ring, with him spending the 90s on some lousy Orioles teams (which also deflated his win total in a time that was considered one of the most important pitching stats), while when he went to the Yankees the year after their 2000 World Series win, they wouldn't win again until 2009... the year after Mussina retired. This played a big part in why it took Mussina ''six tries'' to get voted into the Hall of Fame, when a pitcher of his caliber should have sailed in on the first ballot, and it would have taken even longer if not for the rise of sabermetrics making his career get more appreciated in hindsight.

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* Mike Mussina was a fantastic pitcher with a great peak and a long, very productive career. However, his career happened to nearly completely coincide with four other pitchers - Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, and Pedro Martínez - who all have a legitimate stake in the greatest pitcher of all time argument, and three of them (all but Maddux) spent time in the same league as him during his prime. While Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Curt Schilling also suffer from this to some degree, having pitched in the same time period, the former two were at least able to win a Cy Young twice and once respectively before Johnson came over to dominate the National League (as well as got a ton of national attention by pitching alongside Maddux on the legendary 90s/early 2000s Braves teams); Smoltz also joined Dennis Eckersley as the only pitchers with 20-win and 50-save seasons; and Schilling won three World Series rings with legendary postseason moments, including being a pivotal player in the Diamondbacks' first (and only) World Series win and in the Red Sox finally ending their 86-year championship drought. Mussina, on the other hand, never won a Cy Young (with the one time he finished runner-up in 1999, Pedro happened to throw arguably the greatest pitching season ever), and he never won a ring, with him spending the 90s on some lousy Orioles teams (which also deflated his win total in a time that was considered one of the most important pitching stats), while when he went to the Yankees the year after their 2000 World Series win, they wouldn't win again until 2009... the year after Mussina retired. This played a big part in why it took Mussina ''six tries'' to get voted into the Hall of Fame, when a pitcher of his caliber should have sailed in on the first ballot, and it would have taken even longer if not for the rise of sabermetrics making his career get more appreciated in hindsight.



* James Worthy, known as "Big Game James", was a major part of the "Showtime" era Lakers and won the Finals MVP award in 1988. But he remains less well known than teammates Magic Johnson and Creator/KareemAbdulJabbar.

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* James Worthy, known as "Big Game James", was a major part of the "Showtime" era Lakers and won the Finals MVP award in 1988. But he remains less well known than teammates Magic Johnson UsefulNotes/MagicJohnson and Creator/KareemAbdulJabbar.



* If one mentions the greatness of the Golden State Warriors, the Splash Brothers and the 2015 Championship come to mind first before the great teams of Rick Barry in the 70's and the Run TMC teams of the 90's. Likewise, Dirk Nowitzki's tenure with the Mavs garners more attention than the era of Mark Aguirre and Rolando Blackman. People know the Spurs due to Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginóbili, and more recently Kawhi Leonard, but George Gervin and David Robinson also brought the Spurs glory before Duncan suited up for them. The Cavs, contrary to popular belief, had stars before UsefulNotes/LeBronJames and Kyrie Irving; Mark Price and Larry Nance were also pretty good players.

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* If one mentions the greatness of the Golden State Warriors, the Splash Brothers and the 2015 Championship come to mind first before the great teams of Rick Barry in the 70's and the Run TMC teams of the 90's. Likewise, Dirk Nowitzki's tenure with the Mavs Mavs, and now that of Luka Dončić, garners more attention than the era of Mark Aguirre and Rolando Blackman. People know the Spurs due to Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, Manu Ginóbili, and more recently Kawhi Leonard, Leonard and Victor Wembanyama, but George Gervin and David Robinson also brought the Spurs glory before Duncan suited up for them. The Cavs, contrary to popular belief, had stars before UsefulNotes/LeBronJames and Kyrie Irving; Mark Price and Larry Nance were also pretty good players.
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* This has happened in men's UsefulNotes/{{tennis}} over the past several years due to the dominance of UsefulNotes/RogerFederer, UsefulNotes/RafaelNadal, UsefulNotes/NovakDjokovic, and Andy Murray (to a lesser extent). Together, the "Big Four" won 34 of the 36 Grand Slams from 2005 to 2013, with Federer and Nadal in particular overshadowing everyone else for much of the 2000s. To put the Big Four's sheer dominance into perspective: at the end of 2013, the Big Four member with the least impressive record was Andy Murray who had won 2 Grand Slams, reached 5 other Slam finals, and won 9 Masters 1000 titles. The four players who came the closest to challenging the Big Four during that period (David Ferrer, Juan Martín del Potro, Tomáš Berdych, and Jo-Wilfried Tsonga) had won 1 Grand Slam, reached 3 other Slam finals, and won just 3 Masters 1000 titles. ''Combined''.

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* This has happened in men's UsefulNotes/{{tennis}} over in the past several years early 21st century due to the dominance of UsefulNotes/RogerFederer, UsefulNotes/RafaelNadal, UsefulNotes/NovakDjokovic, and Andy Murray (to a lesser extent). Together, the "Big Four" won 34 of the 36 Grand Slams from 2005 to 2013, with Federer and Nadal in particular overshadowing everyone else for much of the 2000s. To put the Big Four's sheer dominance into perspective: at the end of 2013, the Big Four member with the least impressive record was Andy Murray who had won 2 Grand Slams, reached 5 other Slam finals, and won 9 Masters 1000 titles. The four players who came the closest to challenging the Big Four during that period (David Ferrer, Juan Martín del Potro, Tomáš Berdych, and Jo-Wilfried Tsonga) had won 1 Grand Slam, reached 3 other Slam finals, and won just 3 Masters 1000 titles. ''Combined''.



*** Evans was also been overshadowed by superstars James Harden and [=DeMar DeRozan=], drafted third and ninth overall respectively. But it could have been worse: Hasheem Thabeet, the second overall pick, is considered one of the biggest draft busts in NBA history.

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*** Evans was also been overshadowed by superstars James Harden and [=DeMar DeRozan=], drafted third and ninth overall respectively. But it could have been worse: Hasheem Thabeet, the second overall pick, is considered one of the biggest draft busts in NBA history.



** National Basketball Association: Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers (the team hasn't won more than two rounds since he left in 2006); Chris Webber and Peja Stojaković, Sacramento Kings (while they since had guys like [=DeMarcus=] Cousins, Tyreke Evans, and De'Aaron Fox, the Kings have been crap since Webber and Peja left in the mid-2000's); Creator/ShaquilleONeal and Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic. This could have happened to the Dallas Mavericks after Dirk Nowitzki retired, but it now looks like Luka Dončić will keep them relevant for years to come.

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** National Basketball Association: Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers (the team hasn't won more than two rounds since he left in 2006); Chris Webber and Peja Stojaković, Sacramento Kings (while they since had guys like [=DeMarcus=] Cousins, Tyreke Evans, and De'Aaron Fox, and Domantas Sabonis, the Kings have been were crap since from the mid-2000s departure of Webber and Peja left in the mid-2000's); until 2022–23); Creator/ShaquilleONeal and Dwight Howard, Orlando Magic. This could have happened to the Dallas Mavericks after Dirk Nowitzki retired, but it now looks like Luka Dončić will keep them relevant for years to come.



*** Funny (or sad, depending on how you look at it) example: USC standout Pamela [=McGee=] had some success in the WNBA, but her son [=JaVale=] became even more famous... due to his [[ButtMonkey unfortunate tendency to make dumb plays and get featured in blooper reels]], though he would [[TookALevelInBadass greatly]] [[CareerResurrection improve]] in later years. Her daughter Imani [=McGee-Stafford=] has so far had a [[SoOkayItsAverage decent but not great]] career in the WNBA and several overseas leagues.

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*** Funny (or sad, depending on how you look at it) example: USC standout Pamela [=McGee=] had some success in the WNBA, but her son [=JaVale=] became even more famous... due to his [[ButtMonkey unfortunate tendency to make dumb plays and get featured in blooper reels]], though he would [[TookALevelInBadass greatly]] improved]] [[CareerResurrection improve]] greatly]] in later years. Her daughter Imani [=McGee-Stafford=] has so far had a [[SoOkayItsAverage decent but not great]] career in the WNBA and several overseas leagues.



*** Rob Gronkowski has three brothers who also are in the NFL. None of them are as recognized as he is.

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*** Rob Gronkowski has three brothers who have also are played in the NFL. None of them are as recognized as he is.



*** Super Bowl-winning brothers Travis and Jason Kelce are an interesting example. Travis, who plays for the Kansas City Chiefs, is more familiar to casual fans, due to his exploits as one of the best pass-catching tight ends in the NFL. Jason, who plays for the Philadelphia Eagles, hasn't gained as much attention, in spite of his three Pro Bowls, since he plays as an offensive lineman. That being said, Jason has established himself in public consciousness due to his memetic speech in the Eagles' Super Bowl parade.

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*** Super Bowl-winning brothers Travis and Jason Kelce are an interesting example. Travis, who plays for the Kansas City Chiefs, is more familiar to casual fans, due to his exploits as one of the best pass-catching tight ends in the NFL.NFL, and more recently his relationship with Music/TaylorSwift. Jason, who plays for the Philadelphia Eagles, hasn't gained as much attention, in spite of his three Pro Bowls, since he plays as an offensive lineman. That being said, Jason has established himself in public consciousness due to his memetic speech in the Eagles' Super Bowl parade.



*** And in a mirror image of Zach Ertz' situation, Kealia Watt has enjoyed a good career in the NWSL, including three appearances with the USWNT. However, her husband J. J. was one of the NFL's greatest defensive ends, winning three Defensive Player of the Year awards before retiring at the end of the 2022 season with a Hall of Fame place all but assured.

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*** And in a mirror image of Zach Ertz' situation, Kealia Watt has enjoyed a good career in the NWSL, including three appearances with the USWNT. However, her husband J. J. was one of the NFL's greatest defensive ends, winning three Defensive Player of the Year awards before retiring at the end of the 2022 season with a Hall of Fame place all but assured.



*** Kurt Busch won 34 NASCAR Cup Series races and the championship in 2004, but still finds himself overshadowed by his younger brother Kyle, a two-time Cup Series champion with 63 wins. Kyle has won 228 races (and counting) in all three of NASCAR's national racing series compared to Kurt's 43.

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*** Kurt Busch won 34 NASCAR Cup Series races and the championship in 2004, but still finds himself overshadowed by his younger brother Kyle, a two-time Cup Series champion with 63 wins. Kyle has won 228 229 races (and counting) in all three of NASCAR's national racing series compared to Kurt's 43.



*** Dave Blaney had a long career in NASCAR, but spent most of it driving for mid-field and low-budget teams, and never won a race. His son Ryan Blaney currently drives for the dominant Penske team and has four wins to date.

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*** Dave Blaney had a long career in NASCAR, but spent most of it driving for mid-field and low-budget teams, and never won a race. His son Ryan Blaney currently drives for the dominant Penske team and has four 10 wins and a Cup Series championship to date.
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* International men's basketball is essentially "Team USA and everyone else", at least when the biggest American stars show up, though Spain and Argentina can occasionally challenge the Americans' hegemony. (Team USA finished ''seventh'' in the 2019 FIBA World Cup after a full squad worth of NBA superstars passed on the event... though their goal was only to make the quarterfinals in order to qualify for the Tokyo Olympics, which they did.) On the women's side, Team USA has proven even more untouchable than the men, with a slightly different cast of pretenders.

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* International men's basketball is essentially "Team USA and everyone else", at least when the biggest American stars show up, though Spain and Argentina can occasionally challenge the Americans' hegemony. (Team USA finished ''seventh'' in the 2019 FIBA World Cup after and ''fourth'' in 2023—after a full squad worth of NBA superstars passed on the event... though both events. However, their goal was only to make the quarterfinals in order to qualify for the Tokyo Olympics, which they did.did both times.) On the women's side, Team USA has proven even more untouchable than the men, with a slightly different cast of pretenders.



* UsefulNotes/FormulaOne has a history of domination by an exclusive elite. During Michael Schumacher's succession of championships, many good or even great drivers were entirely outshone such as Rubens Barrichello, Juan Pablo Montoya, Ralf Schumacher, etc. Between the years of 1985 -- 1993, you could kiss any chances of a championship goodbye if your name wasn't Prost, Senna, Piquet or Mansell. During UsefulNotes/TheNewTens, the only driver not named Creator/LewisHamilton or Sebastian Vettel to have a genuine shot at the world title was Hamilton's teammate Nico Rosberg, who retired right after winning the 2016 world championship. And after Max Verstappen dethroned Hamilton in 2021, then won back-to-back titles in 2022, he seems to be the driver poised to dominate the 2020s.

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* UsefulNotes/FormulaOne has a history of domination by an exclusive elite. During Michael Schumacher's succession of championships, many good or even great drivers were entirely outshone such as Rubens Barrichello, Juan Pablo Montoya, Ralf Schumacher, etc. Between the years of 1985 -- 1993, you could kiss any chances of a championship goodbye if your name wasn't Prost, Senna, Piquet or Mansell. During UsefulNotes/TheNewTens, the only driver not named Creator/LewisHamilton or Sebastian Vettel to have a genuine shot at the world title was Hamilton's teammate Nico Rosberg, who retired right after winning the 2016 world championship. And after Max Verstappen dethroned Hamilton in 2021, then won back-to-back added two more titles in 2022, 2022 and 2023, he seems to be the driver poised to dominate the 2020s.
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** This team was an example of this when compared to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the NFL during the mid-2000s. While the Ravens did win a UsefulNotes/SuperBowl in 2000, they were mostly the [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter second-best team]] in the AFC North behind the Steelers, whom often [[AlwaysSecondBest beat them during their rivalry match-ups]] to seal the divisional title, and in two cases went on to win the Super Bowl. Not to mention a lot of players on the 2000 Baltimore Ravens team were once Steelers players. Furthermore, the Ravens modeled their playing style after the Steelers -- a run-to-pass offensive with a strong defense. However, in 2010 the Steelers began to decline as seasoned players got old, while the Ravens slowly built up their team as Super Bowl contenders. They began getting wins over the Pittsburgh Steelers more often and reaching the AFC championship games as a result. It finally paid off in 2013, as they won their second Super Bowl in franchise history, and then beat the Steelers in the playoffs for the first time in 2014.

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** This team was an example of this when compared to the Pittsburgh Steelers in the NFL UsefulNotes/NationalFootballLeague during the mid-2000s. While the Ravens did win a UsefulNotes/SuperBowl in 2000, they were mostly the [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter second-best team]] in the AFC North behind the Steelers, whom often [[AlwaysSecondBest beat them during their rivalry match-ups]] to seal the divisional title, and in two cases went on to win the Super Bowl. Not to mention a lot of players on the 2000 Baltimore Ravens team were once Steelers players. Furthermore, the Ravens modeled their playing style after the Steelers -- a run-to-pass offensive with a strong defense. However, in 2010 the Steelers began to decline as seasoned players got old, while the Ravens slowly built up their team as Super Bowl contenders. They began getting wins over the Pittsburgh Steelers more often and reaching the AFC championship games as a result. It finally paid off in 2013, as they won their second Super Bowl in franchise history, and then beat the Steelers in the playoffs for the first time in 2014.



*** Tom Harmon was one of the [[UsefulNotes/CollegiateAmericanFootballPower5Conferences University of Michigan]]'s greatest football legends, winning the 1940 Heisman Trophy. While he had less success in the NFL as a player, he found a lasting niche as a sportscaster. His youngest child and only son, Creator/{{Mark|Harmon}}, tried following in his father's footsteps, becoming a star quarterback at UCLA, but decided not to pursue an NFL career. Mark would end up averting the trope in spectacular fashion, becoming one of TV's biggest stars from [[Series/StElsewhere the '80s]] [[Series/ChicagoHope to the]] [[Series/{{NCIS}} 21st century]]. In fact, outside of hardcore old-school Michigan football fans and college football history nerds, Tom is now overshadowed by Mark.

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*** Tom Harmon was one of the [[UsefulNotes/CollegiateAmericanFootballPower5Conferences [[UsefulNotes/PowerFiveConferences University of Michigan]]'s greatest football legends, winning the 1940 Heisman Trophy. While he had less success in the NFL as a player, he found a lasting niche as a sportscaster. His youngest child and only son, Creator/{{Mark|Harmon}}, tried following in his father's footsteps, becoming a star quarterback at UCLA, but decided not to pursue an NFL career. Mark would end up averting the trope in spectacular fashion, becoming one of TV's biggest stars from [[Series/StElsewhere the '80s]] [[Series/ChicagoHope to the]] [[Series/{{NCIS}} 21st century]]. In fact, outside of hardcore old-school Michigan football fans and college football history nerds, Tom is now overshadowed by Mark.
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*** Tom Harmon was one of the UsefulNotes/UniversityOfMichigan's greatest football legends, winning the 1940 Heisman Trophy. While he had less success in the NFL as a player, he found a lasting niche as a sportscaster. His youngest child and only son, Creator/{{Mark|Harmon}}, tried following in his father's footsteps, becoming a star quarterback at UCLA, but decided not to pursue an NFL career. Mark would end up averting the trope in spectacular fashion, becoming one of TV's biggest stars from [[Series/StElsewhere the '80s]] [[Series/ChicagoHope to the]] [[Series/{{NCIS}} 21st century]]. In fact, outside of hardcore old-school Michigan football fans and college football history nerds, Tom is now overshadowed by Mark.

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*** Tom Harmon was one of the UsefulNotes/UniversityOfMichigan's [[UsefulNotes/CollegiateAmericanFootballPower5Conferences University of Michigan]]'s greatest football legends, winning the 1940 Heisman Trophy. While he had less success in the NFL as a player, he found a lasting niche as a sportscaster. His youngest child and only son, Creator/{{Mark|Harmon}}, tried following in his father's footsteps, becoming a star quarterback at UCLA, but decided not to pursue an NFL career. Mark would end up averting the trope in spectacular fashion, becoming one of TV's biggest stars from [[Series/StElsewhere the '80s]] [[Series/ChicagoHope to the]] [[Series/{{NCIS}} 21st century]]. In fact, outside of hardcore old-school Michigan football fans and college football history nerds, Tom is now overshadowed by Mark.
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* Mike Mussina was a fantastic pitcher with a great peak and a long, very productive career. However, his career happened to nearly completely coincide with four other pitchers - Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, and Pedro Martínez - who all have a legitimate stake in the greatest pitcher of all time argument, and three of them (all but Maddux) pitched in the same league as him during his prime. While Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Curt Schilling also suffer from this to some degree, having pitched in the same time period, the former two were at least able to win a Cy Young twice and once respectively before Johnson came over to dominate the National League (as well as got a ton of national attention by pitching alongside Maddux on the legendary 90s/early 2000s Braves teams); Smoltz also joined Dennis Eckersley as the only pitchers with 20-win and 50-save seasons; and Schilling won three World Series rings with legendary postseason moments, including being a pivotal player in the Diamondbacks' first (and only) World Series win and in the Red Sox finally ending their 86-year championship drought. Mussina, on the other hand, never won a Cy Young (with the one time he finished runner-up in 1999, Pedro happened to throw arguably the greatest pitching season ever), and he never won a ring, with him spending the 90s on some lousy Orioles teams (which also deflated his win total in a time that was considered one of the most important pitching stats), while when he went to the Yankees the year after their 2000 World Series win, they wouldn't win again until 2009... the year after Mussina retired. This played a big part in why it took Mussina ''six tries'' to get voted into the Hall of Fame, when a pitcher of his caliber should have sailed in on the first ballot.

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* Mike Mussina was a fantastic pitcher with a great peak and a long, very productive career. However, his career happened to nearly completely coincide with four other pitchers - Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, and Pedro Martínez - who all have a legitimate stake in the greatest pitcher of all time argument, and three of them (all but Maddux) pitched spent time in the same league as him during his prime. While Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Curt Schilling also suffer from this to some degree, having pitched in the same time period, the former two were at least able to win a Cy Young twice and once respectively before Johnson came over to dominate the National League (as well as got a ton of national attention by pitching alongside Maddux on the legendary 90s/early 2000s Braves teams); Smoltz also joined Dennis Eckersley as the only pitchers with 20-win and 50-save seasons; and Schilling won three World Series rings with legendary postseason moments, including being a pivotal player in the Diamondbacks' first (and only) World Series win and in the Red Sox finally ending their 86-year championship drought. Mussina, on the other hand, never won a Cy Young (with the one time he finished runner-up in 1999, Pedro happened to throw arguably the greatest pitching season ever), and he never won a ring, with him spending the 90s on some lousy Orioles teams (which also deflated his win total in a time that was considered one of the most important pitching stats), while when he went to the Yankees the year after their 2000 World Series win, they wouldn't win again until 2009... the year after Mussina retired. This played a big part in why it took Mussina ''six tries'' to get voted into the Hall of Fame, when a pitcher of his caliber should have sailed in on the first ballot.ballot, and it would have taken even longer if not for the rise of sabermetrics making his career get more appreciated in hindsight.
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* Lindsay Davenport won three Grand Slams, a year-end championship, and an Olympic gold medal, and was year-end No. 1 four times—the last of these feats being equaled or surpassed only by Chris Evert, Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova, and Serena Williams. However, she's somewhat forgotten because her career at least partially overlapped those of all of the aforementioned players except Evert. Not to mention those of ''other'' all-time greats such as Monica Seles, Martina Hingis, Justine Henin, and Serena's sister Venus.

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* On the women's side, Lindsay Davenport won three Grand Slams, a year-end championship, and an Olympic gold medal, and was year-end No. 1 four times—the last of these feats being equaled or surpassed only by Chris Evert, Steffi Graf, Martina Navratilova, and Serena Williams. However, she's somewhat forgotten because her career at least partially overlapped those of all of the aforementioned players except Evert. Not to mention those of ''other'' all-time greats such as Monica Seles, Martina Hingis, Justine Henin, and Serena's sister Venus.
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* If an entire baseball series counts, then the 2004 NLCS qualifies. It was a fantastic 7-game series between the St. Louis Cardinals and Houston Astros. They went toe-to-toe (they finished all games within three runs of each other), with several memorable moments (including two of the games ending in a walkoff home run, and Carlos Beltran tying Barry Bonds' single postseason home run record), which ended up with a St. Louis win. The problem? The ALCS that year was the Red Sox and Yankees. And not ''just'' that, but the Red Sox were rather busy rallying from a 3-0 game-win deficit for the first time in baseball history on the way to their first Series win in 86 years. It also doesn't help that the Cardinals proceeded to immediately get swept by the Red Sox in one of the most anti-climatic World Series ever seen.

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* If an entire baseball series counts, then the 2004 NLCS qualifies. It was a fantastic 7-game series between the St. Louis Cardinals and Houston Astros. They went toe-to-toe (they finished all games within three runs of each other), with several memorable moments (including two of the games ending in a walkoff home run, and Carlos Beltran tying Barry Bonds' single postseason home run record), which ended up with a St. Louis win. The problem? The ALCS that year was the Red Sox and Yankees. And not ''just'' that, but the Red Sox were rather busy rallying from a 3-0 game-win deficit for the first time in baseball history on the way to their first Series win in 86 years. It also doesn't help that the Cardinals proceeded to immediately get swept by the Red Sox in one of the most anti-climatic anticlimactic World Series ever seen.
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* Many USA women's gymnasts have been this beginning in the '09-'12 quad. For a complex series of reasons[[labelnote:*]]two of the big ones being the relative flexibility of the semi-centralized training system and the opportunity for full-ride college scholarships[[/labelnote]], the US has incredible depth in their gymnastics program, so gymnasts competing at a level that would make that athlete a star in many smaller programs can end up not even being top 10, and therefore not making teams, in the USA. It's great for the team because it means that even if a top athlete gets injured, it doesn't hurt the team that much because they have other strong athletes to replace them[[labelnote:*]]this has been a major struggle for many other countries; they might have a good core team, but if someone on that core team gets injured and can't compete, the alternate who has to go up instead averages five points lower in all-around score[[/labelnote]], but it makes it that much harder for each individual (except probably the aforementioned Simone Biles) -- just ask 2017 World Champion [[https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/09/23/world-gymnastics-simone-biles-makes-us-team-morgan-hurd-staying-home/2421588001/ Morgan Hurd]].

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* Many USA women's gymnasts have been this beginning in the '09-'12 quad. For a complex series of reasons[[labelnote:*]]two of the big ones being the relative flexibility of the semi-centralized training system and the opportunity for full-ride college scholarships[[/labelnote]], the US has incredible depth in their gymnastics program, so gymnasts competing at a level that would make that athlete a star in many smaller programs can end up not even being top 10, and therefore not making teams, in the USA. It's great for the team because it means that even if a top athlete gets injured, it doesn't hurt the team that much because they have other strong athletes to replace them[[labelnote:*]]this has been a major struggle for many other countries; they might have a good core team, but if someone on that core team gets injured and can't compete, the alternate who has to go up instead averages five points lower in all-around score[[/labelnote]], but it makes it that much harder for each individual to make the team (except probably the aforementioned Simone Biles) -- just ask 2017 World Champion [[https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/09/23/world-gymnastics-simone-biles-makes-us-team-morgan-hurd-staying-home/2421588001/ Morgan Hurd]].
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* On a similar vein to the Cards, two teams are tied for third overall in World Series titles: the Boston Red Sox...and the Oakland Athletics. The Sox subvert this trope by virtue of being the Yankees' mortal enemy and a storied franchise in itself (in spite of the "Curse of Bambino" which lasted from 1918 to 2004). The A's, on the other hand, suffer this trope in spades. While they have had successful teams in their history (e.g. the '72-'74 three-peat, the "Moneyball" era) and quite a few famous names (e.g. Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Mark [=McGwire=]), the A's are most well known for being moved around the country twice[[note]]first from Philadelphia to Kansas City, then from KC to Oakland[[/note]], having a lower budget than most teams, subsequently losing their best players to richer teams [[note]] particularly during [[AudienceAlienatingEra their years in Kansas City]], when they served as a farm team of sorts for the Yankees [[/note]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking having what is perhaps the worst stadium in Major League Baseball right now]] [[note]] That may change soon, given their plans to build a new stadium in Oakland's Howard Terminal [[/note]]. It's worth noting that they're more well known for being the main subject of [[{{Film/Moneyball}} a movie]] than for their somewhat remarkable achievements in baseball.
** The A's also struggle to stand out in the Bay Area, particularly versus their San Francisco based counterparts. The A's MLB rivals in the [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter San Francisco Giants]] often overshadow them, despite having less overall titles, due to their richer budget, recent success, and superior stadium. Even outside of baseball, the A's also have to compete with two other storied, championship-winning SF-based teams in the San Francisco 49ers and the Golden State Warriors. Even in the South Bay Area [[note]] consisting of San Jose and Santa Clara [[/note]], the A's struggle to stand out versus the 49ers [[note]] based in San Francisco, but play their games in Santa Clara [[/note]], the Sharks [[note]]perennial playoff chokers, but still a consistently competitive team [[/note]], the Warriors [[note]]based in San Francisco, but are well-supported around the Bay Area [[/note]], and, of course, the Giants [[note]] who consider the South Bay as part of their territory AND have their Low-A affiliate based in San Jose [[/note]]. Going back to Oakland, the A's played second or third fiddle at times to the Raiders and Warriors, before the Warriors moved across the Bay to San Francisco and the Raiders bolted to Las Vegas.

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* On a similar vein to the Cards, two teams are tied for third overall in World Series titles: the Boston Red Sox...and the Oakland Athletics. The Sox subvert this trope by virtue of being the Yankees' mortal enemy and a storied franchise in itself (in spite of the "Curse of Bambino" which lasted from 1918 to 2004). The A's, on the other hand, suffer this trope in spades. While they have had successful teams in their history (e.g. the '72-'74 three-peat, the "Moneyball" era) and quite a few famous names (e.g. Catfish Hunter, Rickey Henderson, Mark [=McGwire=]), the A's are most well known for being moved around the country twice[[note]]first from Philadelphia to Kansas City, then from KC to Oakland[[/note]], having a lower budget than most teams, subsequently losing their best players to richer teams [[note]] particularly during [[AudienceAlienatingEra their years in Kansas City]], when they served as a farm team of sorts for the Yankees [[/note]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking having what is perhaps the worst stadium in Major League Baseball right now]] [[note]] That may change soon, given their plans to build a new stadium in Oakland's Howard Terminal [[/note]].now]]. It's worth noting that they're more well known for being the main subject of [[{{Film/Moneyball}} a movie]] than for their somewhat remarkable achievements in baseball.
** The A's also struggle to stand out in the Bay Area, particularly versus their San Francisco based counterparts. The A's MLB rivals in the [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter San Francisco Giants]] often overshadow them, despite having less overall titles, due to their richer budget, recent success, and superior stadium. Even outside of baseball, the A's also have to compete with two other storied, championship-winning SF-based teams in the San Francisco 49ers and the Golden State Warriors. Even in the South Bay Area [[note]] consisting of San Jose and Santa Clara [[/note]], the A's struggle to stand out versus the 49ers [[note]] based in San Francisco, but play their games in Santa Clara [[/note]], the Sharks [[note]]perennial playoff chokers, but still a consistently competitive team [[/note]], the Warriors [[note]]based in San Francisco, but are well-supported around the Bay Area [[/note]], and, of course, the Giants [[note]] who consider the South Bay as part of their territory AND have their Low-A affiliate based in San Jose [[/note]]. Going back to Oakland, the A's played second or third fiddle at times to the Raiders and Warriors, before the Warriors moved across the Bay to San Francisco and the Raiders bolted to Las Vegas. Speaking of which, since the A's couldn't get a stadium deal done in Oakland, they now have one foot out the door to Vegas, having already bought land for a new ballpark in that area.



* Mike Mussina was a fantastic pitcher with a great peak and a long, very productive career. However, his career happened to nearly completely coincide with four other pitchers - Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, and Pedro Martínez - who all have a legitimate stake in the greatest pitcher of all time argument, and three of them (all but Maddux) pitched in the same league as him during his prime. While Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Curt Schilling also suffer from this to some degree, having pitched in the same time period, the former two were at least able to win a Cy Young twice and once respectively before Johnson came over to dominate the National League (as well as got a ton of national attention by pitching alongside Maddux on the legendary 90s/early 2000s Braves teams); Smoltz also joined Dennis Eckersley as the only pitchers with 20-win and 50-save seasons; and Schilling won three World Series rings with legendary postseason moments, including being a pivotal player in the Diamondbacks' first (and only) World Series win and in the Red Sox finally ending their 86-year championship drought. Mussina on the other hand, never won a Cy Young (with the one time he finished runner-up in 1999, Pedro happened to throw arguably the greatest pitching season ever), and he never won a ring, with him spending the 90s on some lousy Orioles teams (which also deflated his win total in a time that was considered one of the most important pitching stats), while when he went to the Yankees the year after their 2000 World Series win, they wouldn't win again until 2009... the year after Mussina retired. This played a big part in why it took Mussina ''six tries'' to get voted into the Hall of Fame, when a pitcher of his caliber should have sailed in on the first ballot.

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* Mike Mussina was a fantastic pitcher with a great peak and a long, very productive career. However, his career happened to nearly completely coincide with four other pitchers - Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, and Pedro Martínez - who all have a legitimate stake in the greatest pitcher of all time argument, and three of them (all but Maddux) pitched in the same league as him during his prime. While Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Curt Schilling also suffer from this to some degree, having pitched in the same time period, the former two were at least able to win a Cy Young twice and once respectively before Johnson came over to dominate the National League (as well as got a ton of national attention by pitching alongside Maddux on the legendary 90s/early 2000s Braves teams); Smoltz also joined Dennis Eckersley as the only pitchers with 20-win and 50-save seasons; and Schilling won three World Series rings with legendary postseason moments, including being a pivotal player in the Diamondbacks' first (and only) World Series win and in the Red Sox finally ending their 86-year championship drought. Mussina Mussina, on the other hand, never won a Cy Young (with the one time he finished runner-up in 1999, Pedro happened to throw arguably the greatest pitching season ever), and he never won a ring, with him spending the 90s on some lousy Orioles teams (which also deflated his win total in a time that was considered one of the most important pitching stats), while when he went to the Yankees the year after their 2000 World Series win, they wouldn't win again until 2009... the year after Mussina retired. This played a big part in why it took Mussina ''six tries'' to get voted into the Hall of Fame, when a pitcher of his caliber should have sailed in on the first ballot.



* According to an interview with Kevin Durant, then of the Oklahoma City Thunder, he confessed that during his basketball career so far, he's always been second best compared to someone else, and he's afraid this might be the legacy of his professional career, so he's fighting against it. Hopefully, he won't be a case of HardWorkHardlyWorks. Ironically, he decided to solve his championship woes by moving to the [[TheJuggernaut Golden State Warriors]], where he was bound to be overshadowed the likes of UsefulNotes/StephenCurry (who was a TWO TIME MVP!), [[ImprobableAimingSkills Klay]] [[TheLancer Thompson]], and [[LightningBruiser Draymond]] [[BloodKnight Green]]. Thankfully, he's been recognized as one of the team's biggest stars (probably even bigger than Curry himself).

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* According to an interview with Kevin Durant, then of the Oklahoma City Thunder, he confessed that during his basketball career so far, he's up to that time, he was always been second best compared to someone else, and he's he wss afraid this might be the legacy of his professional career, so he's fighting he chose to fight against it. Hopefully, Thankfully, he won't be wasn't a case of HardWorkHardlyWorks. Ironically, he decided to solve his championship woes by moving to the [[TheJuggernaut Golden State Warriors]], where he was bound to be overshadowed the likes of UsefulNotes/StephenCurry (who was a TWO TIME MVP!), [[ImprobableAimingSkills Klay]] [[TheLancer Thompson]], and [[LightningBruiser Draymond]] [[BloodKnight Green]]. Thankfully, he's been He was then recognized as one of the team's biggest stars (probably even bigger than Curry himself).



* UsefulNotes/FormulaOne has a history of domination by an exclusive elite. During Michael Schumacher's succession of championships, many good or even great drivers were entirely outshone such as Rubens Barrichello, Juan Pablo Montoya, Ralf Schumacher, etc. Between the years of 1985 -- 1993, you could kiss any chances of a championship goodbye if your name wasn't Prost, Senna, Piquet or Mansell. During UsefulNotes/TheNewTens, the only driver not named Creator/LewisHamilton or Sebastian Vettel to have a genuine shot at the world title was Hamilton's teammate Nico Rosberg, who retired right after winning the 2016 world championship. And after Max Verstappen dethroned Hamilton in 2021, then won back-to-back titles in 2022, he seems to be the driver poised to dominate the [=2020s=].

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* UsefulNotes/FormulaOne has a history of domination by an exclusive elite. During Michael Schumacher's succession of championships, many good or even great drivers were entirely outshone such as Rubens Barrichello, Juan Pablo Montoya, Ralf Schumacher, etc. Between the years of 1985 -- 1993, you could kiss any chances of a championship goodbye if your name wasn't Prost, Senna, Piquet or Mansell. During UsefulNotes/TheNewTens, the only driver not named Creator/LewisHamilton or Sebastian Vettel to have a genuine shot at the world title was Hamilton's teammate Nico Rosberg, who retired right after winning the 2016 world championship. And after Max Verstappen dethroned Hamilton in 2021, then won back-to-back titles in 2022, he seems to be the driver poised to dominate the [=2020s=].2020s.



*** Early on in his career, Deandre Ayton has had unfortunate luck with getting his name out there. While he has always been a pretty good center for the Phoenix Suns, he had the misfortune of going first overall in the 2018 NBA Draft, ahead of [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter two players seen by many as transcendental talents]]: Luka Dončić (picked 3rd overall) and Trae Young (picked 5th overall). As such, he has been prematurely deemed a bust in some circles, in spite of his brilliant statistics (for example, he was the only rookie that season to average a double-double (double digits in any two positive statistics, most often [and as such in Ayton's case] points and rebounds) in his rookie season), and the fact that he was arguably the ''third-best'' player in that draft class.[[note]]Ayton was actually shortlisted for the Rookie of the Year Award alongside the aforementioned Young and Dončić. Dončić won, by the way.[[/note]] An untimely suspension in his second season and a perceived downgrade in production during his third season hasn't helped his perception much either, though he has gotten a lot better as the third star player for the Suns during the 2021 Playoffs behind Devin Booker and Chris Paul, to the point of even being a key part of leading the Suns to the NBA Finals that year. In the 2022-23 season, he was overshadowed twice in completely different ways; first by the likes of rivaling big man Jaren Jackson Jr. (who was selected #4 in that same draft year that Ayton was selected in) earning an All-Star spot before him and then by having Kevin Durant of all players join in on the trio of Booker, Paul, and Ayton, thus relegating his production to either a third man or fourth man, depending on circumstances throughout a game-to-game basis.

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*** Early on in his career, Deandre Ayton has had unfortunate luck with getting his name out there. While he has always been a pretty good center for the Phoenix Suns, he had the misfortune of going first overall in the 2018 NBA Draft, ahead of [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter two players seen by many as transcendental talents]]: Luka Dončić (picked 3rd overall) and Trae Young (picked 5th overall). As such, he has been prematurely deemed a bust in some circles, in spite of his brilliant statistics (for example, he was the only rookie that season to average a double-double (double digits in any two positive statistics, most often [and as such in Ayton's case] points and rebounds) in his rookie season), and the fact that he was arguably the ''third-best'' player in that draft class.[[note]]Ayton was actually shortlisted for the Rookie of the Year Award alongside the aforementioned Young and Dončić. Dončić won, by the way.[[/note]] An untimely suspension in his second season and a perceived downgrade in production during his third season hasn't helped his perception much either, though he has gotten a lot better as the third star player for the Suns during the 2021 Playoffs behind Devin Booker and Chris Paul, to the point of even being a key part of leading the Suns to the NBA Finals that year. In the 2022-23 season, he was overshadowed twice in completely different ways; first by the likes of rivaling rival big man Jaren Jackson Jr. (who was selected #4 in that same Ayton's draft year that Ayton was selected in) year) earning an All-Star spot before him and then by having Kevin Durant of all players join in on the trio of Booker, Paul, and Ayton, thus relegating his production to either a third man or fourth man, depending on circumstances throughout a game-to-game basis.



*** Funny (or sad, depending on how you look at it) example: USC standout Pamela [=McGee=] had some success in the WNBA, but her son [=JaVale=] became even more famous... due to his [[ButtMonkey unfortunate tendency to make dumb plays and get featured in blooper reels]], though he would [[TookALevelInBadass improve]] [[CareerResurrection greatly]] in later years. Her daughter Imani [=McGee-Stafford=] has so far had a [[SoOkayItsAverage decent but not great]] career in the WNBA and several overseas leagues.

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*** Funny (or sad, depending on how you look at it) example: USC standout Pamela [=McGee=] had some success in the WNBA, but her son [=JaVale=] became even more famous... due to his [[ButtMonkey unfortunate tendency to make dumb plays and get featured in blooper reels]], though he would [[TookALevelInBadass improve]] greatly]] [[CareerResurrection greatly]] improve]] in later years. Her daughter Imani [=McGee-Stafford=] has so far had a [[SoOkayItsAverage decent but not great]] career in the WNBA and several overseas leagues.



*** Jeff Teague isn't a star, but he's had a solid NBA career on a few playoff teams. His brother Marquis, on the other hand, hasn't really played much in the top level, and is mostly known as a bust who the Bulls picked [[EpicFail ahead of Draymond Green and Jae Crowder.]]
*** Horace Grant was a solid role player for the Bulls and Magic, winning three rings with the former as the third scoring option behind Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. His twin brother, Harvey, didn't quite follow his lead, bouncing around multiple teams without much success. Harvey does have one small thing over his brother, though; he fathered current NBA role players Jerian Grant and Jerami Grant.

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*** Jeff Teague isn't a star, but he's had a solid NBA career on a few playoff teams. His brother Marquis, on the other hand, hasn't really played much in the top level, and is mostly known as a bust who whom the Bulls picked [[EpicFail ahead of Draymond Green and Jae Crowder.]]
*** Horace Grant was a solid role player for the Bulls and Magic, winning three rings with the former as the third scoring option behind Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. His twin brother, Harvey, brother Harvey didn't quite follow his lead, bouncing around multiple teams without much success. Harvey does have one small thing over his brother, though; he fathered current NBA role players Jerian Grant and Jerami Grant.
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* Many USA women's gymnasts have been this beginning in the '09-'12 quad. For a complex series of reasons[[labelnote:*]]two of the big ones being the relative flexibility of the semi-centralized training system and the opportunity for full-ride college scholarships[[/labelnote]], the US has incredible depth in their gymnastics program, so gymnasts competing at a level that would make that athlete a star in many smaller programs can end up not even being top 10, and therefore not making teams, in the USA. It's great for the team because it means that even if a top athlete gets injured, it doesn't hurt the team that much because they have other strong athletes to replace them[[labelnote:*]]this has been a major struggle for many other countries; they might have a good core team, but if someone on that core team gets injured and can't compete, the alternate who has to go up instead averages five points lower in all-around score[[/labelnote]], but it makes it that much harder for each individual (except perhaps the aforementioned Simone Biles) -- just ask 2017 World Champion [[https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/09/23/world-gymnastics-simone-biles-makes-us-team-morgan-hurd-staying-home/2421588001/ Morgan Hurd]].

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* Many USA women's gymnasts have been this beginning in the '09-'12 quad. For a complex series of reasons[[labelnote:*]]two of the big ones being the relative flexibility of the semi-centralized training system and the opportunity for full-ride college scholarships[[/labelnote]], the US has incredible depth in their gymnastics program, so gymnasts competing at a level that would make that athlete a star in many smaller programs can end up not even being top 10, and therefore not making teams, in the USA. It's great for the team because it means that even if a top athlete gets injured, it doesn't hurt the team that much because they have other strong athletes to replace them[[labelnote:*]]this has been a major struggle for many other countries; they might have a good core team, but if someone on that core team gets injured and can't compete, the alternate who has to go up instead averages five points lower in all-around score[[/labelnote]], but it makes it that much harder for each individual (except perhaps probably the aforementioned Simone Biles) -- just ask 2017 World Champion [[https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2019/09/23/world-gymnastics-simone-biles-makes-us-team-morgan-hurd-staying-home/2421588001/ Morgan Hurd]].
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** And even after Lee's retirement, he's been overshadowed in his personal life... his wife is now-retired Danish tennis star and former world #1 Caroline Wozniacki.

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*** Brothers-in-law John Bosa and Eric Kumerow were both first-round busts for the Miami Dolphins in the 1980's. John's sons Joey and Nick have already outshone their father and uncle; Joey became a Pro Bowl defensive end for the Chargers, and Nick is a rising star at the same position with the [=49ers=]. Both sons also claimed NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year honors.

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*** Brothers-in-law John Bosa and Eric Kumerow were both first-round busts for the Miami Dolphins in the 1980's. John's sons Joey and Nick have already outshone their father and uncle; Joey became a Pro Bowl defensive end for the Chargers, and Nick is a rising star at the same position with the [=49ers=]. Both sons also both claimed NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year honors.honors, respectively with the Chargers and [=49ers=], and have since earned multiple Pro Bowl selections.

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*** The Sánchez family of Spain has four siblings who played professional tennis. The oldest of the group, Marisa, barely cracked the WTA top 400. Next came Emilio, who topped out at No. 7 in the ATP singles rankings. While he never made the semifinals of any singles Grand Slam, he was much more successful in doubles, reaching No. 1 and winning three Slams in that discipline. Then came Javier, who wasn't quite as successful as his brother, topping out at No. 23 in singles and No. 9 in doubles and never reached a Slam semifinal in either discipline. All of them ended up being overshadowed by their younger sister, who chose to be known by both of her parental surnames and became known as Arantxa Sánchez Vicario. Arantxa won 14 Slams in all (4 each in singles and mixed doubles, 6 in women's doubles), was on five Spanish teams that won the Fed Cup (now known as the Billie Jean King Cup), and is one of only seven players (six women, plus Creator/JohnMcEnroe) to have been No. 1 in singles and doubles at the same time.

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*** The Sánchez family of Spain has four siblings who played professional tennis. The oldest of the group, Marisa, barely cracked the WTA top 400. Next came Emilio, who topped out at No. 7 in the ATP singles rankings. While he never made the semifinals of any singles Grand Slam, he was much more successful in doubles, reaching No. 1 and winning three Slams in that discipline. Then came Javier, who wasn't quite as successful as his brother, topping out at No. 23 in singles and No. 9 in doubles and never reached reaching a Slam semifinal in either discipline. All of them ended up being overshadowed by their younger sister, who chose to be known by use both of her parental surnames and became known as Arantxa Sánchez Vicario. Arantxa won 14 Slams in all (4 each in singles and mixed doubles, 6 in women's doubles), was on five Spanish teams that won the Fed Cup (now known as the Billie Jean King Cup), and is one of only seven players (six women, plus Creator/JohnMcEnroe) to have been No. 1 in singles and doubles at the same time. time.
*** Speaking of John [=McEnroe=], he has a younger tennis-playing brother, Patrick. While John became an all-time great, Patrick was in the "good but not great" category, topping out at No. 23 in singles and No. 3 in doubles (and having an overall losing match record in singles), winning only one Slam in doubles, and only reaching one singles Slam semifinal. Even as a commentator, he's overshadowed by John.

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