Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 139 (click to see context) from:
* UglyGuysHotDaughter: Gender-flipped with Gann and his mother Gulk'aush. She's a stereotypically ugly hag, he's quite handsome. And a JustifiedTrope: [[spoiler:His father and mother truly loved each other, which led to him being born handsome.]]
to:
* UglyGuysHotDaughter: Gender-flipped with Gann and his mother Gulk'aush. She's a stereotypically ugly hag, he's quite handsome. And a JustifiedTrope: [[spoiler:His father and mother truly loved each other, which led to him being born handsome.is not just a hag but a special type of hag, ergo Gannayev doesn't fall into a vanilla hagspawn category.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 37 (click to see context) from:
* CuteMonsterGuy: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} when he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too ''pretty'' to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and thus give birth to hideously ugly hagspawn.]]
to:
* CuteMonsterGuy: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} when he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too ''pretty'' to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother is not actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and a hag but a night hag, thus give birth to hideously ugly technically making him a cambion, not a hagspawn.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* UnevenHybrid: ''[=MotB=]'' adds genasi, humans with a touch of elemental blood, as playable races.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Trivia bump, crosswicking for Uneven Hybrid
Deleted line(s) 63 (click to see context) :
* ExecutiveMeddling: Chris Avellone notes that Gann and Safiya as love interests were originally not constrained by gender, as "that felt true to how [they] perceived love".
Changed line(s) 74,75 (click to see context) from:
* GoodVersusGood: The crusade involves celestials fighting paladins to the death.
** Or even paladin versus paladin, if the player is one.
** Or even paladin versus paladin, if the player is one.
to:
* GoodVersusGood: The crusade involves celestials fighting paladins to the death.
**death. Or even paladin versus paladin, if the player is one.
**
Changed line(s) 141 (click to see context) from:
* [[UglyGuysHotDaughter Ugly Girl's Hot Son]]: Gann. Full stop.
to:
* [[UglyGuysHotDaughter Ugly Girl's Hot Son]]: Gann. Full stop.UglyGuysHotDaughter: Gender-flipped with Gann and his mother Gulk'aush. She's a stereotypically ugly hag, he's quite handsome. And a JustifiedTrope: [[spoiler:His father and mother truly loved each other, which led to him being born handsome.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* GuideDangIt: The GoldenEnding requires items you can only get by doing optional sidequests in optional areas with Gann in your party.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 21,22 (click to see context) from:
* BlessedWithSuck[=/=]CursedWithAwesome: The [[spoiler:Spirit-Eater Curse]], depending how you play it. While it's entirely up to you to decide whether it's either a horrible dog-raping curse or the most awesome ability ever, it's absolutely certain that about every NPC you come in contact with will disagree with you.
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead, and they're certainly incapable of help you. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, and you're afflicted with a curse that has ''always'' killed all previous victims, turns you into an insane ravening husk along the way, and means that your soul automatically goes to the Wall of the Faithless when you die no matter what.]]
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead, and they're certainly incapable of help you. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, and you're afflicted with a curse that has ''always'' killed all previous victims, turns you into an insane ravening husk along the way, and means that your soul automatically goes to the Wall of the Faithless when you die no matter what.]]
to:
* BlessedWithSuck[=/=]CursedWithAwesome: The [[spoiler:Spirit-Eater Curse]], depending how you play it. While it's entirely up to you to decide whether it's either a horrible dog-raping curse or the most awesome ability ever, it's absolutely certain that about every there's an NPC you come in contact with that will disagree with you.
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead, and they're certainly incapable ofhelp helping you. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill despise you. Oh yeah, and you're afflicted with a curse that has ''always'' killed all previous victims, turns you into an insane ravening husk along the way, and means that your soul automatically goes to the Wall of the Faithless when you die no matter what.]]
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead, and they're certainly incapable of
* MacGuffinTitle: [[spoiler: The Mask of the Betrayer actually makes an appearance in the final battle if you manage to collect all the mask fragments. It's even useful!]]
* TheMagocracy: Rashemen is ruled by masked witches - and witches ''only''. No men. Minus the gender restriction, Thaymount Academy (and Red Wizard society in general) works this way too, but with rather more backstabbing.
* ManySpiritsInsideOfOne: One of Many.
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, since they're unwilling to hand over what you request, they won't agree on what sort of soul they should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
* TheMagocracy: Rashemen is ruled by masked witches - and witches ''only''. No men. Minus the gender restriction, Thaymount Academy (and Red Wizard society in general) works this way too, but with rather more backstabbing.
* ManySpiritsInsideOfOne: One of Many.
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, since they're unwilling to hand over what you request, they won't agree on what sort of soul they should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
Deleted line(s) 97,99 (click to see context) :
* MacGuffinTitle: [[spoiler: The Mask of the Betrayer actually makes an appearance in the final battle if you manage to collect all the mask fragments.]]
* ManySpiritsInsideOfOne: One of Many.
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, since they're unwilling to hand over what you request, they won't agree on what sort of soul they should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
* ManySpiritsInsideOfOne: One of Many.
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, since they're unwilling to hand over what you request, they won't agree on what sort of soul they should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
Changed line(s) 102 (click to see context) from:
* NatureSpirit: Quite a few, but Okku most notably. This is arguably Rashemen's [[PlanetOfHats hat]].
to:
* NatureSpirit: Quite a few, but Okku most notably. This The existence of these spirits, "telthor" and the local worship of them is arguably Rashemen's [[PlanetOfHats hat]].
Changed line(s) 106 (click to see context) from:
** You can choose to take it a step or three further. [[spoiler: You can turn against the Crusade most of the party wants you to join, kill the Founder out of vengeance for roping you into this mess. And while the heroic option is to stay on the Fugue Plane for eternity containing the spirit eater deep within the recesses of your soul, you can expunge it setting it back on its merry way to look for a new host to inhabit while you return to your friends and the keep from the original campaign, as if none of this had ever happened.]]
to:
** You can choose to take it a step or three further. [[spoiler: You can turn against the Crusade most of the party wants you to join, kill the Founder out of vengeance for roping you into this mess. And mess, abandon or kill your party and - while the heroic option is to stay on the Fugue Plane for eternity containing to contain the spirit eater deep within the recesses of your soul, soul (or with a little extra work, end it forever) - you can expunge also throw the curse out of your soul and send it setting it back on its merry way to look for a new host to inhabit while you host. You then return to your friends and the keep Keep from the original campaign, campaign as if none of this had ever happened.]]
Changed line(s) 121 (click to see context) from:
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: Okku has many elements, most noticeable when he encounters carrion-eating spirts at the coven.
to:
* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: Okku has many elements, most noticeable when he encounters carrion-eating spirts sprits at the coven.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 33,34 (click to see context) from:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. Okku feels that's he's trapped into an unfulfillable oath and can never satisfy both [[spoiler: remembering Akachi]] and his duty to his clan. Kaelyn chose between her faith and the existence of the Wall of the Faithless. Also, ultimately, [[spoiler: Akachi chose to betray his god rather than condemn his lover.]] Settling these is, of course, up to the player. [[spoiler: Except Kaelyn's, she'll never let that one go.]]
* CessationOfExistence: The fate of anything [[spoiler:consumed by the Spirit Eater.]]
* CessationOfExistence: The fate of anything [[spoiler:consumed by the Spirit Eater.]]
to:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal Betrayal, duty, faith, love and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. redemption]], and how all those things conflict or intertwine. Okku feels that's that he's trapped into in an unfulfillable oath that he can't fulfil, and can he'll never satisfy both [[spoiler: remembering Akachi]] and reconcile his duty duties to honor the man who trapped the curse ''and'' protect his clan. Kaelyn chose between could not maintain her faith and the existence once she learned of the Wall of the Faithless.Faithless, and her rebellion set her against her family, her god and her original purpose forever. Gann has no faith and refuses any duty, even when it seems he should be morally obligated in some way. Safiya lacks faith too, but feels bound by duty to protect the Captain [[spoiler:which is revealed to be an extension of the deepest love, the purpose for which she was made]]. Also, ultimately, [[spoiler: Akachi chose to betray his god rather than condemn his lover.]] Settling these is, You can resolve their conflicts in a number of course, up to ways. Or twist them. [[spoiler:Except Kaelyn. Her rebellion will go on as long as she believes she's in the player. [[spoiler: Except Kaelyn's, she'll never let that one go.right. All you can change is how long it persists.]]
* CessationOfExistence: The fate of anything [[spoiler:consumed by the Spirit Eater.]]]] This is also the fate of those condemned to the Wall of the Faithless, but it takes time. ''Agonising'' time.
* CessationOfExistence: The fate of anything [[spoiler:consumed by the Spirit Eater.
Changed line(s) 39 (click to see context) from:
* DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou: [[spoiler:Namely, Gann's mother was forced into it by her hag sisters, presumably on pain of death for either of them.]]
to:
* DaddyHadAGoodReasonForAbandoningYou: [[spoiler:Namely, Gann's mother was forced into it to leave her infant in the wilderness by her hag sisters, presumably on pain of death for either of them.them both.]]
Changed line(s) 54,55 (click to see context) from:
* DrivenToMadness: Gulk'aush as a result of [[spoiler:being forced to eat her love alive, piece by piece.]]
* DysfunctionJunction: Surprisingly averted... [[spoiler:well, unless you have One of Many and regularly go out of your way to gain Influence with it]], given the darker tone of this instalment. There's a bit of banter back and forth, and Gann certainly likes teasing Kaelyn from time to time, but the party feels much more cohesive and calm compared to the original gang.
* DysfunctionJunction: Surprisingly averted... [[spoiler:well, unless you have One of Many and regularly go out of your way to gain Influence with it]], given the darker tone of this instalment. There's a bit of banter back and forth, and Gann certainly likes teasing Kaelyn from time to time, but the party feels much more cohesive and calm compared to the original gang.
to:
* DrivenToMadness: Gulk'aush as a result of [[spoiler:being forced to eat her love lover alive, piece by piece.]]
* DysfunctionJunction: Surprisingly averted... [[spoiler:well, unless you have One of Many and regularly go out of your way to gain Influence with it]], given the darker tone of this instalment. There's a bit of banter back and forth, and Gann certainly likes teasing Kaelyn from time to time, but the party feels much more cohesive and calm compared to the originalgang.gang - less a squabbling rabble and more a set of self-contained individuals.
* DysfunctionJunction: Surprisingly averted... [[spoiler:well, unless you have One of Many and regularly go out of your way to gain Influence with it]], given the darker tone of this instalment. There's a bit of banter back and forth, and Gann certainly likes teasing Kaelyn from time to time, but the party feels much more cohesive and calm compared to the original
Changed line(s) 57 (click to see context) from:
* EldritchAbomination: Should you go for the evil ending, [[spoiler:this is effectively what you become; a wandering incarnation of emptiness devouring all in your path, a ''thing'' which has declared war on the planes by its very existence, capable of consuming even gods. One of Many is ecstatic; everyone else is horrified.]]
to:
* EldritchAbomination: Should you go for the evil ending, [[spoiler:this is effectively what you become; a wandering incarnation of emptiness devouring all in your path, a ''thing'' which has declared war on the planes by its very existence, capable of consuming even gods. One of Many is ecstatic; everyone else is horrified.''horrified''.]]
Changed line(s) 66 (click to see context) from:
* FatalFlaw: Kaelyn's obsession with destroying the Wall of the Faithless.
to:
* FatalFlaw: Kaelyn's obsession with destroying the Wall of the Faithless. [[spoiler:There's one ending where it destroys her siblings and her spirit with them.]]
Changed line(s) 88,89 (click to see context) from:
%%* JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind
%%* KillerRabbit: [[spoiler:The badger spirit.]]
%%* KillerRabbit: [[spoiler:The badger spirit.]]
to:
%%*
* KillerRabbit:
Changed line(s) 100,101 (click to see context) from:
* MundaneUtility: According to Gannayev, the best use for being able to travel through dreams is to get laid.
%%* NarratorAllAlong: [[spoiler:Kelemvor.]]
%%* NarratorAllAlong: [[spoiler:Kelemvor.]]
to:
* MundaneUtility: According to Gannayev, the best use for being able to travel travelling through dreams is to get getting laid.
%%* * NarratorAllAlong: [[spoiler:Kelemvor.[[spoiler:Kelemvor, God of the Dead, is revealed to be the one narrating your story. Since you don't meet him until you're minutes away from the game's end, you're unlikely to recognise his voice until then.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Zero Context Examples. Removed Five Man Band since it\'s a bit of a stretch - making Gann the Lancer is very dubious.
%%
%% ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.
%%
%% ZeroContextExample entries are not allowed on wiki pages. All such entries have been commented out. Add context to the entries before uncommenting them.
%%
Changed line(s) 28,31 (click to see context) from:
* BraggingRightsReward:
** [[spoiler:Akachi's Scythe can be combined with Myrkul's spirit essence to make an [[InfinityPlusOneSword Infinity + 1 Scythe]] called Spiritual Evisceration.]] It'd be nice if you actually had something to use it on; instead you get it after you've probably already got your character at 30th level, designed for a weapon class unlikely to be scythes (which are rarely seen since HeroesPreferSwords), and [[spoiler:one short dungeon from the end of the game]].
** A couple of different [[GameMod fan modules]] have an InfinityPlusOneSword as an end-of-game reward. Modders, next time you decide to give out an InfinityPlusOneSword, give the player something to use it on. (I'm looking at ''you'', "Temple of Torm".)
* TheCasanova[=/=]TheCharmer: Gann. He banged so damn many girls that they locked him in ''prison.''
** [[spoiler:Akachi's Scythe can be combined with Myrkul's spirit essence to make an [[InfinityPlusOneSword Infinity + 1 Scythe]] called Spiritual Evisceration.]] It'd be nice if you actually had something to use it on; instead you get it after you've probably already got your character at 30th level, designed for a weapon class unlikely to be scythes (which are rarely seen since HeroesPreferSwords), and [[spoiler:one short dungeon from the end of the game]].
** A couple of different [[GameMod fan modules]] have an InfinityPlusOneSword as an end-of-game reward. Modders, next time you decide to give out an InfinityPlusOneSword, give the player something to use it on. (I'm looking at ''you'', "Temple of Torm".)
* TheCasanova[=/=]TheCharmer: Gann. He banged so damn many girls that they locked him in ''prison.''
to:
* BraggingRightsReward:
**BraggingRightsReward: [[spoiler:Akachi's Scythe can be combined with Myrkul's spirit essence to make an [[InfinityPlusOneSword Infinity + 1 Scythe]] called Spiritual Evisceration.]] It'd be nice if you actually had something to use it on; instead you get it after you've probably already got your character at 30th level, designed for a weapon class unlikely to be scythes (which are rarely seen since HeroesPreferSwords), and [[spoiler:one short dungeon from the end of the game]].
** A couple of different [[GameMod fan modules]] have an InfinityPlusOneSword as an end-of-game reward. Modders, next time you decide to give out an InfinityPlusOneSword, give the player something to use it on. (I'm looking at ''you'', "Temple of Torm".)
* TheCasanova[=/=]TheCharmer: TheCasanova: Gann. He banged so damn many girls that they locked him in ''prison.''
**
Changed line(s) 36 (click to see context) from:
* [[CuteMonsterGirl Cute Monster Guy]]: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} when he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too ''pretty'' to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and thus give birth to hideously ugly hagspawn.]]
to:
* [[CuteMonsterGirl Cute Monster Guy]]: CuteMonsterGuy: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} when he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too ''pretty'' to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and thus give birth to hideously ugly hagspawn.]]
Changed line(s) 40,41 (click to see context) from:
* DarkerAndEdgier: And arguably all the better for it.
* DarkWorld: The Plane of Shadow is a dark reflection of the Prime Material Plane
* DarkWorld: The Plane of Shadow is a dark reflection of the Prime Material Plane
to:
* DarkerAndEdgier: And arguably all ''Mask of the better for it.
Betrayer'' has a significantly darker and personal storyline than the vanilla game, and features themes rarely seen in video games, such as justice, original sin and faith.
* DarkWorld: The Plane of Shadow is a dark reflection of the Prime MaterialPlanePlane. There are no colours; the entire plane is monochrome. The terrain varies slightly in each plane, and the Plane of Shadows is populated by hostile undead called Shadows.
* DarkWorld: The Plane of Shadow is a dark reflection of the Prime Material
Deleted line(s) 66,71 (click to see context) :
* FiveManBand
** TheHero: The Player
** TheLancer: Gannayev-of-Dreams. As a bonus, his favored weapon is a spear.
** TheSmartGuy: Safiya.
** TheBigGuy: Okku or One Of Many.
** TheChick: Kaelyn the Dove.
** TheHero: The Player
** TheLancer: Gannayev-of-Dreams. As a bonus, his favored weapon is a spear.
** TheSmartGuy: Safiya.
** TheBigGuy: Okku or One Of Many.
** TheChick: Kaelyn the Dove.
Changed line(s) 82 (click to see context) from:
* HellIsThatNoise: Gulk'aush's utterances. Brr.
to:
Changed line(s) 87,89 (click to see context) from:
** [[spoiler:If you're male and had romanced Elanee, Ammon Jerro reveals that she took a piece of the King of Shadows' CollapsingLair that would have struck you.]]
** [[spoiler:This is also how Casavir died. [[{{Retcon}} Maybe.]]]]
* HeterosexualLifePartners[=/=]HoYay: A male PlayerCharacter with a very high influence with Gann can [[spoiler: begin sharing his thoughts and memories with him. They become extremely close and in some endings they go WalkingTheEarth as true companions.]]
** [[spoiler:This is also how Casavir died. [[{{Retcon}} Maybe.]]]]
* HeterosexualLifePartners[=/=]HoYay: A male PlayerCharacter with a very high influence with Gann can [[spoiler: begin sharing his thoughts and memories with him. They become extremely close and in some endings they go WalkingTheEarth as true companions.]]
to:
** [[spoiler:If If you're male and had romanced Elanee, [[spoiler:Elanee, Ammon Jerro reveals that she took a piece of the King of Shadows' CollapsingLair that would have struck you.]]
**[[spoiler:This [[spoiler:Casavir]] is also how Casavir died. [[{{Retcon}} Maybe.]]]]
said to have died at the end of the original game while [[spoiler:holding up the collapsing ceiling of the Shadow King's lair to buy time for the rest of the group to escape.]] The truth of his demise is in question, as someone very similar to him show up in ''Storm of Zehir''.
*HeterosexualLifePartners[=/=]HoYay: HeterosexualLifePartners: A male PlayerCharacter with a very high influence with Gann can [[spoiler: begin [[spoiler:begin sharing his thoughts and memories with him. They become extremely close and in some endings they go WalkingTheEarth as true companions.]]
**
*
Changed line(s) 91 (click to see context) from:
* IntellectualAnimal: Okku.
to:
* IntellectualAnimal: Okku.Okku is the spirit of a bear, and often offers advice both from his perspective as one and from his perspective as a protector of the land.
Changed line(s) 93,95 (click to see context) from:
* JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind: The [[spoiler:VeryDefinitelyFinalDungeon]].
* KillerRabbit: [[spoiler:The badger spirit, again]].
* LastVillainStand: Provided you [[spoiler:proceed with the invasion of the Fugue Plane]] instead of [[spoiler:defending against said invasion]], Araman pulls this after the battle when [[spoiler:Kelemvor has already agreed to let you try to get your soul back]]. [[TooDumbToLive Factor in that your party probably consists of four 30th-level characters by now.]] It's entirely possible your spellcasters will obliterate him in one turn.
* KillerRabbit: [[spoiler:The badger spirit, again]].
* LastVillainStand: Provided you [[spoiler:proceed with the invasion of the Fugue Plane]] instead of [[spoiler:defending against said invasion]], Araman pulls this after the battle when [[spoiler:Kelemvor has already agreed to let you try to get your soul back]]. [[TooDumbToLive Factor in that your party probably consists of four 30th-level characters by now.]] It's entirely possible your spellcasters will obliterate him in one turn.
to:
*
%%* KillerRabbit: [[spoiler:The badger
* LastVillainStand: Provided you [[spoiler:proceed with the invasion of the Fugue Plane]] instead of [[spoiler:defending against said invasion]], Araman
Deleted line(s) 97 (click to see context) :
* LetsPlay: Lt. Danger carries on with the same character into this part, and it's if anything more interesting now that there's a genuinely interesting story to critique. Found [[http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/MotB/index.html here]].
Changed line(s) 101 (click to see context) from:
* MultipleEndings
to:
Changed line(s) 107 (click to see context) from:
* NarratorAllAlong: [[spoiler:Kelemvor.]]
to:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* HellIsThatNoise: Gulk'aush's utterances. Brr.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Maybe I\'m missing something, but the games were released by different companies.
Changed line(s) 62 (click to see context) from:
* ExecutiveMeddling: Chris Avellone notes that Gann and Safiya as love interests were originally not constrained by gender, as "that felt true to how [they] perceived love". Given that the same company had no issues with [[TempleOfElementalEvil Bertram and lesbian flirting]], it seems it's only okay for minor characters.
to:
* ExecutiveMeddling: Chris Avellone notes that Gann and Safiya as love interests were originally not constrained by gender, as "that felt true to how [they] perceived love". Given that the same company had no issues with [[TempleOfElementalEvil Bertram and lesbian flirting]], it seems it's only okay for minor characters.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 32 (click to see context) from:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. Okku feels that's he's trapped into an unfulfillable oath and can never satisfy both [[spoiler: remembering Akachi]] and his duty to Rasheman. Kaelyn chose between her faith and the existence of the Wall of the Faithless. Also, ultimately, [[spoiler: Akachi chose to betray his god rather than condemn his lover.]] Settling these is, of course, up to the player.
to:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. Okku feels that's he's trapped into an unfulfillable oath and can never satisfy both [[spoiler: remembering Akachi]] and his duty to Rasheman.his clan. Kaelyn chose between her faith and the existence of the Wall of the Faithless. Also, ultimately, [[spoiler: Akachi chose to betray his god rather than condemn his lover.]] Settling these is, of course, up to the player. [[spoiler: Except Kaelyn's, she'll never let that one go.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 74 (click to see context) from:
* GameBreakingBug: The initial version broke the "go to the swamp to retrieve the silver shard" quest early in the original campaign by causing a PlotLock to fail to open.
to:
* GameBreakingBug: The initial version broke the "go to the swamp to retrieve the silver shard" quest early in the original campaign by causing a PlotLock to fail to open.
Added DiffLines:
* MacGuffinTitle: [[spoiler: The Mask of the Betrayer actually makes an appearance in the final battle if you manage to collect all the mask fragments.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 32 (click to see context) from:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. Okku feels that's he's trapped into an unfulfillable oath and can never satisfy both [[spoiler: remembering Akachi]] and his duty to Rasheman. Kaelyn chose between her faith and the existence of the Wall of the Faithless.
to:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. Okku feels that's he's trapped into an unfulfillable oath and can never satisfy both [[spoiler: remembering Akachi]] and his duty to Rasheman. Kaelyn chose between her faith and the existence of the Wall of the Faithless. Also, ultimately, [[spoiler: Akachi chose to betray his god rather than condemn his lover.]] Settling these is, of course, up to the player.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 32 (click to see context) from:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Its in the title.]]
to:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Its in Okku feels that's he's trapped into an unfulfillable oath and can never satisfy both [[spoiler: remembering Akachi]] and his duty to Rasheman. Kaelyn chose between her faith and the title.]]existence of the Wall of the Faithless.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* CentralTheme: Betrayal and [[EarnYourHappyEnding Redemption]]. [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Its in the title.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
** You can choose to take it a step or three further. [[spoiler: You can turn against the Crusade most of the party wants you to join, kill the Founder out of vengeance for roping you into this mess. And while the heroic option is to stay on the Fugue Plane for eternity containing the spirit eater deep within the recesses of your soul, you can expunge it setting it back on its merry way to look for a new host to inhabit while you return to your friends and the keep from the original campaign, as if none of this had ever happened.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* StatusQuoIsGod: For everything this campaign forces you into, you can play the campaign in such a way that essentially nothing has changed when you end it. You can reject or kill all your companions, put down the crusade, eject the spirit eater to resume its course, and, if your character is an import from the original campaign, return to Crossroad Keep and reunite with your old friends.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 26 (click to see context) from:
** Embracing the curse, and thus using it far more often results in a higher Craving, meaning you must feed more often[[note]]to compare, if you suppress the craving, you will only lose 1 point per in game hour, if you feed constantly and have maximum craving, you will lose 6 points per in game hour, if you run out of spirit points, you die[[/note]], which makes the aforesaid lengthy parts much more difficult. Furthermore, to get the most out of each usage of an ability, you must time it so that you kill the enemy when they are below a certain threshold (below 25% health to restore the flat amount plus whatever life the enemy had left), otherwise it will restore a flat amount of Spirit Points, which if you've been embracing it, will probably be peanuts to what you need to stay alive. On the flip side, you can get and make some pretty damn powerful items and some cool powers.
to:
** Embracing the curse, and thus using it far more often results in a higher Craving, meaning you must feed more often[[note]]to often,[[note]]to compare, if you suppress the craving, you will only lose 1 point per in game hour, if you feed constantly and have maximum craving, you will lose 6 points per in game hour, hour; if you run out of spirit points, you die[[/note]], die[[/note]] which makes the aforesaid lengthy parts much more difficult. Furthermore, to get the most out of each usage of an ability, you must time it so that you kill the enemy when they are below a certain threshold (below 25% health to restore the flat amount plus whatever life the enemy had left), otherwise it will restore a flat amount of Spirit Points, which if you've been embracing it, will probably be peanuts to what you need to stay alive. On the flip side, you can get and make some pretty damn powerful items and some cool powers.
Changed line(s) 48 (click to see context) from:
-->'''Gann:''' ...and old mother, do not think your mind has not laid down paths for me to stroll. ''Such'' thoughts in a woman your age – it would put even a farmer's fieryloined daughter to shame.
to:
-->'''Gann:''' ...and old mother, do not think your mind has not laid down paths for me to stroll. ''Such'' thoughts in a woman your age – it would put even a farmer's fieryloined fiery-loined daughter to shame.
Changed line(s) 102 (click to see context) from:
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a particular soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, since they're very unwilling to hand over what you request, they won't agree on what the soul they should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
to:
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a particular soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, since they're very unwilling to hand over what you request, they won't agree on what the sort of soul they should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
Changed line(s) 126 (click to see context) from:
* RagtagBunchOfMisfits: Consisting of you (already a WalkingDisasterArea who then gets cursed to become a soul-eating abomination), a somewhat Machiavellian wizard from an organisation with a ''nasty'' reputation, a Hagspawn casanova who uses his dreamwalking powers to give the local ladies some ''very'' pleasant dreams, an exiled half-angel rebelling against the gods themselves, and either another soul-eating abomination created from the fused souls of dozens of cremated individuals or ''a giant talking rainbow spirit bear god''.
to:
* RagtagBunchOfMisfits: Consisting of you (already a WalkingDisasterArea who then gets cursed to become a soul-eating abomination), a somewhat Machiavellian wizard from an organisation with a ''nasty'' reputation, a Hagspawn casanova who uses his dreamwalking powers to give the local ladies some ''very'' very pleasant dreams, an exiled half-angel rebelling against the gods themselves, and either another soul-eating abomination created from the fused souls of dozens of cremated individuals or ''a giant talking rainbow spirit bear god''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 117 (click to see context) from:
* PlotHole[=/=]WritersCannotDoMath: Part of Myrkul's plan in creating the Spirit-Eater Curse was [[spoiler:to ensure his immortality by abusing the ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms[='=]'' GodsNeedPrayerBadly rule (i.e. as long as there's a Spirit-Eater, there's always going to be someone who believes in him, thus he can't truly die)]]. Problem is, the Spirit-Eater has been around for centuries, but the Time of Troubles, after which GodsNeedPrayerBadly was established by the Overgod Ao (and incidentally, during which Myrkul was killed and replaced by Cyric as god of the dead), took place in 1358, and the game takes place in 1374. Perhaps Myrkul was just really forward-looking.
to:
* PlotHole[=/=]WritersCannotDoMath: Part of Myrkul's plan in creating the Spirit-Eater Curse was [[spoiler:to ensure his immortality by abusing the ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms[='=]'' GodsNeedPrayerBadly rule (i.e. as long as there's a Spirit-Eater, there's always going to be someone who believes in him, thus he can't truly die)]]. Problem is, the Spirit-Eater has been around for centuries, but the Time of Troubles, after which GodsNeedPrayerBadly was established by the Overgod Ao (and incidentally, during which Myrkul was killed and replaced by Cyric as god of the dead), took place in 1358, and the game takes place in 1374. Perhaps Myrkul was just really forward-looking.forward-thinking.
Changed line(s) 121 (click to see context) from:
* {{Pride}}:
to:
* {{Pride}}:ProudBeauty:
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 19 (click to see context) from:
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, and you're afflicted with a curse that has ''always'' killed all previous victims, turns you into an insane ravening husk along the way, and means that your soul automatically goes to the Wall of the Faithless when you die no matter what.]]
to:
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead.dead, and they're certainly incapable of help you. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, and you're afflicted with a curse that has ''always'' killed all previous victims, turns you into an insane ravening husk along the way, and means that your soul automatically goes to the Wall of the Faithless when you die no matter what.]]
Changed line(s) 25,26 (click to see context) from:
** To expand, if you play the [[GoodIsBoring Good Route]], and suppress the thing, and only use it against Undead, then your craving will be far lower, and you will lose spirit points MUCH, MUCH slower, which can be a Godsend for several VERY lengthy parts of the game with little to feed on. This can make for an easier time, but you can potentially deny yourself several powerful items.
** Embracing the curse, and thus using it far more often results in a higher Craving, meaning you must feed more often[[note]]to compare, if you suppress the craving, you will only lose 1 point per in game hour, if you feed constantly and have maximum craving, you will lose 6 points per in game hour, if you run out of spirit points, you die[[/note]], which makes the aforesaid lengthy parts much more difficult. Furthermore, to get the most out of each usage of an ability, you must time it so that you kill the enemy when they are below a certain threshold (below 25% health to restore the flat amount plus whatever life the enemy had left), otherwise it will restore a flat amount of Spirit Points, which if you've been embracing it, will probably be peanuts to what you need to stay alive. On the flip side, you can get and make some pretty damn powerful items.
** Embracing the curse, and thus using it far more often results in a higher Craving, meaning you must feed more often[[note]]to compare, if you suppress the craving, you will only lose 1 point per in game hour, if you feed constantly and have maximum craving, you will lose 6 points per in game hour, if you run out of spirit points, you die[[/note]], which makes the aforesaid lengthy parts much more difficult. Furthermore, to get the most out of each usage of an ability, you must time it so that you kill the enemy when they are below a certain threshold (below 25% health to restore the flat amount plus whatever life the enemy had left), otherwise it will restore a flat amount of Spirit Points, which if you've been embracing it, will probably be peanuts to what you need to stay alive. On the flip side, you can get and make some pretty damn powerful items.
to:
** To expand, if you play the [[GoodIsBoring Good Route]], and suppress the thing, and only use it against Undead, the undead, then your craving will be far lower, and you will lose spirit points MUCH, MUCH slower, much, ''much'' more slowly, which can be a Godsend for is incredibly helpful during several VERY ''very'' lengthy parts of the game with little to feed on. This can make for an easier time, but you can potentially deny yourself several powerful items.items and abilities.
** Embracing the curse, and thus using it far more often results in a higher Craving, meaning you must feed more often[[note]]to compare, if you suppress the craving, you will only lose 1 point per in game hour, if you feed constantly and have maximum craving, you will lose 6 points per in game hour, if you run out of spirit points, you die[[/note]], which makes the aforesaid lengthy parts much more difficult. Furthermore, to get the most out of each usage of an ability, you must time it so that you kill the enemy when they are below a certain threshold (below 25% health to restore the flat amount plus whatever life the enemy had left), otherwise it will restore a flat amount of Spirit Points, which if you've been embracing it, will probably be peanuts to what you need to stay alive. On the flip side, you can get and make some pretty damn powerfulitems.items and some cool powers.
** Embracing the curse, and thus using it far more often results in a higher Craving, meaning you must feed more often[[note]]to compare, if you suppress the craving, you will only lose 1 point per in game hour, if you feed constantly and have maximum craving, you will lose 6 points per in game hour, if you run out of spirit points, you die[[/note]], which makes the aforesaid lengthy parts much more difficult. Furthermore, to get the most out of each usage of an ability, you must time it so that you kill the enemy when they are below a certain threshold (below 25% health to restore the flat amount plus whatever life the enemy had left), otherwise it will restore a flat amount of Spirit Points, which if you've been embracing it, will probably be peanuts to what you need to stay alive. On the flip side, you can get and make some pretty damn powerful
Changed line(s) 33 (click to see context) from:
* ConvertingForLove: In one of the endings, [[spoiler:Either Gannayev or Safiya (both n/atheists) will swear themselves to Kelemvor so that they can stay with you in the City of Judgement.]]
to:
* ConvertingForLove: In one of the endings, [[spoiler:Either [[spoiler:either Gannayev or Safiya (both n/atheists) will swear themselves to Kelemvor so that they can stay with you in the City of Judgement.]]
Changed line(s) 35,36 (click to see context) from:
* [[CuteMonsterGirl Cute Monster Guy]]: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} when he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too ''pretty'' to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and thus give birth to hideously ugly hagspawns.]]
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes a character that was not imported from the original campaign did ''not'' [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end.
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes a character that was not imported from the original campaign did ''not'' [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end.
to:
* [[CuteMonsterGirl Cute Monster Guy]]: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} when he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too ''pretty'' to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and thus give birth to hideously ugly hagspawns.hagspawn.]]
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes a character thatwas not wasn't imported from the original campaign did ''not'' [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end.
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes a character that
Changed line(s) 50 (click to see context) from:
* DreamingTheTruth: With dreams being a major theme of the series, it's only natural that several of the dreams you travel through through let you in on the backstory.
to:
* DreamingTheTruth: With dreams being a major theme of the series, it's only natural that several of the dreams you travel through through let you in on the backstory. Gann is helpful in this regard.
Changed line(s) 60 (click to see context) from:
* EvilTastesGood
to:
* EvilTastesGoodEvilTastesGood: Given your curse is described as a "hunger", and given how often you can threaten other characters with it, several evil dialogue options take on this tone. And then there's One-of-Many.
Changed line(s) 68,70 (click to see context) from:
** TheSmartGuy: Safiya
** TheBigGuy: Okku or One Of Many
** TheChick: Kaelyn the Dove
** TheBigGuy: Okku or One Of Many
** TheChick: Kaelyn the Dove
to:
** TheSmartGuy: Safiya
Safiya.
** TheBigGuy: Okku or One OfMany
Many.
** TheChick: Kaelyn theDoveDove.
** TheBigGuy: Okku or One Of
** TheChick: Kaelyn the
Changed line(s) 92 (click to see context) from:
* KillerRabbit: ([[spoiler:The badger spirit, again]])
to:
* KillerRabbit: ([[spoiler:The [[spoiler:The badger spirit, again]])again]].
Changed line(s) 96 (click to see context) from:
* LevelUpAtIntimacy5
to:
* LevelUpAtIntimacy5LevelUpAtIntimacy5: Once a character's influence hits "Devoted", you can't gain anymore bonuses relating to it unless they fall in love with you.
Changed line(s) 102 (click to see context) from:
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a particular soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, they can't agree on what the soul should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
to:
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a particular soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, since they're very unwilling to hand over what you request, they can't won't agree on what the soul they should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
Changed line(s) 110 (click to see context) from:
* OptionalPartyMember: One of Many is an odd example, as you can get either him or Okku, depending on if [[spoiler:you consume Okku]]. Similarly, [[spoiler:Araman]] can be obtained if [[spoiler:if you side against the Third Crusade]] in place of Kaelyn (who will attack you if you meet the conditions for him).
to:
* OptionalPartyMember: One of Many is an odd example, as you can get either him or Okku, depending on if whether [[spoiler:you consume Okku]]. Similarly, [[spoiler:Araman]] can be obtained if [[spoiler:if you side against the Third Crusade]] in place of Kaelyn (who will attack you if you meet the conditions for him).
Changed line(s) 117,118 (click to see context) from:
* PlotHole[=/=]WritersCannotDoMath: Part of Myrkul's plan in creating the Spirit-Eater Curse was [[spoiler:to ensure his immortality by abusing the ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms[='=]'' GodsNeedPrayerBadly rule (i.e. as long as there's a Spirit-Eater, there's always going to be someone who believes in him, thus he can't truly die)]]. Problem is, the Spirit-Eater has been around for centuries, but the Time of Troubles, after which GodsNeedPrayerBadly was established by the Overgod Ao (and incidentally, during which Myrkul was killed and replaced by Cyric as god of the dead), took place in 1358, and the game takes place in 1374.
* PointOfNoReturn: The Betrayer's Gate.
* PointOfNoReturn: The Betrayer's Gate.
to:
* PlotHole[=/=]WritersCannotDoMath: Part of Myrkul's plan in creating the Spirit-Eater Curse was [[spoiler:to ensure his immortality by abusing the ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms[='=]'' GodsNeedPrayerBadly rule (i.e. as long as there's a Spirit-Eater, there's always going to be someone who believes in him, thus he can't truly die)]]. Problem is, the Spirit-Eater has been around for centuries, but the Time of Troubles, after which GodsNeedPrayerBadly was established by the Overgod Ao (and incidentally, during which Myrkul was killed and replaced by Cyric as god of the dead), took place in 1358, and the game takes place in 1374.
1374. Perhaps Myrkul was just really forward-looking.
* PointOfNoReturn: The Betrayer's Gate. It is made extremely obvious.
* PointOfNoReturn: The Betrayer's Gate. It is made extremely obvious.
Changed line(s) 128 (click to see context) from:
* ReincarnationRomance: [[spoiler:Male {{Player Character}}s can enter into one with Safiya. [[http://www.formspring.me/GZiets/q/322955310316683214 Females could as well before ExecutiveMeddling.]]]]
to:
* ReincarnationRomance: [[spoiler:Male {{Player Character}}s can enter into one with Safiya. [[http://www.formspring.me/GZiets/q/322955310316683214 Females could as well before ExecutiveMeddling.Executive Meddling.]]]]
Changed line(s) 131 (click to see context) from:
* SoulJar
to:
* SoulJarSoulJar: Several - especially at the Academy of Shapers and Binders, which contains a library specifically for soul housings.
Changed line(s) 135,138 (click to see context) from:
* SpeakingSimlish: One Of Many is a dark twist, he speaks with a "call of the dead" that any mortal creature can understand.
* StupidSexyFlanders: A male PC with a high enough Charisma stat can catch Gann in one of these moments when they first meet.
** Likely an artifact from when Gann was going to be bi.
* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:Akachi and the Founder]]
* StupidSexyFlanders: A male PC with a high enough Charisma stat can catch Gann in one of these moments when they first meet.
** Likely an artifact from when Gann was going to be bi.
* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:Akachi and the Founder]]
to:
* SpeakingSimlish: One Of Many is a dark twist, he twist. It speaks with a "call of the dead" that any mortal creature can understand.
* StupidSexyFlanders: A male PC with a high enough Charisma stat can catch Gann in one of these moments when they firstmeet.
** Likelymeet, likely an artifact from when Gann was going to be bi.
* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:Akachi and theFounder]]Founder. A devoted disciple of Myrkul and a Faithless...and that was only the start of their problems.]]
* StupidSexyFlanders: A male PC with a high enough Charisma stat can catch Gann in one of these moments when they first
** Likely
* StarCrossedLovers: [[spoiler:Akachi and the
Changed line(s) 140 (click to see context) from:
* TrulySingleParent: [[spoiler:The Founder.]]
to:
* TrulySingleParent: [[spoiler:The Founder. She split off pieces of her soul into new bodies - Lienna, Nefris and Safiya. Each held an aspect of her personality and none of them had anything like a "dad".]]
Changed line(s) 142 (click to see context) from:
* VillainsNeverLie: ([[spoiler:Myrkul. The player character can even lampshade it to Kaelyn. Later subverted when Kelemvor reveals that though he wasn't lying to ''her'', he was lying to ''you'' and to the founder.]])
to:
* VillainsNeverLie: ([[spoiler:Myrkul. The player character can even lampshade it to Kaelyn. Later subverted when Kelemvor reveals that though he wasn't lying to ''her'', he was lying to ''you'' and to the founder.Founder.]])
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 20 (click to see context) from:
* BodyMotifs: Faces and masks (it ''is'' in the title). The spirit-eater curse is referred to sometimes as an entity in and of itself that happens to be "wearing" you as a mask, [[spoiler:just as it's "worn" the faces of its many previous victims]]. A name for an important character in the backstory is The ''Faceless'' Man, and [[spoiler:you can end the curse by restoring him - using a mask]]. Gann's beautiful face is something of a plot point. Safiya's face is identical to that of her mother for a good reason. Kelemvor, new god of the dead, wears a very memorable mask. The woman who runs the Veil Theatre has a studio dedicated to creating masks for the plays, and even the theatre's name refers to a sort of mask. And a drinking game for every time somebody refers to masks, faces, or masks on faces, or faces beneath masks is inadvisable unless one seeks liver failure.
to:
* BodyMotifs: Faces and masks (it ''is'' in the title). The spirit-eater curse is referred to sometimes as an entity in and of itself that happens to be "wearing" you as a mask, [[spoiler:just as it's "worn" the faces of its many previous victims]]. A name for an important character in the backstory is The ''Faceless'' Man, and [[spoiler:you can end the curse by restoring him to being Akachi - using a mask]]. Gann's beautiful face is something of a plot point.point, and his initial attitude masks deeper issues. Safiya's face is identical to that of her mother for a good reason. Kelemvor, new god of the dead, wears a very memorable mask. The woman who runs the Veil Theatre has a studio dedicated to creating masks for the plays, and even the theatre's name refers to a sort of mask. The city of Mulsantir has its own mask in its Shadow counterpart, where people often retreat to hide themselves. The witches who rule Rashemen are all masked. And a drinking game for every time somebody refers to masks, faces, or masks on faces, or faces beneath masks as a metaphor for anything is inadvisable unless one seeks liver failure.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 18,19 (click to see context) from:
* BlessedWithSuck / CursedWithAwesome: The [[spoiler:Spirit-Eater Curse]], depending how you play it. While it's entirely up to you to decide whether it's either a horrible dog-raping curse or the most awesome ability ever, it's absolutely certain that about every NPC you come in contact with will disagree with you.
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, and you are afflicted with a curse that has ALWAYS killed all previous victims, will turn you into a ravening husk along the way, and will mean that your soul will automatically be taken to the Wall of the Faithless.]]
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, and you are afflicted with a curse that has ALWAYS killed all previous victims, will turn you into a ravening husk along the way, and will mean that your soul will automatically be taken to the Wall of the Faithless.]]
to:
* BlessedWithSuck / CursedWithAwesome: BlessedWithSuck[=/=]CursedWithAwesome: The [[spoiler:Spirit-Eater Curse]], depending how you play it. While it's entirely up to you to decide whether it's either a horrible dog-raping curse or the most awesome ability ever, it's absolutely certain that about every NPC you come in contact with will disagree with you.
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, andyou are you're afflicted with a curse that has ALWAYS ''always'' killed all previous victims, will turn turns you into a an insane ravening husk along the way, and will mean means that your soul will automatically be taken goes to the Wall of the Faithless.]]Faithless when you die no matter what.]]
* BodyMotifs: Faces and masks (it ''is'' in the title). The spirit-eater curse is referred to sometimes as an entity in and of itself that happens to be "wearing" you as a mask, [[spoiler:just as it's "worn" the faces of its many previous victims]]. A name for an important character in the backstory is The ''Faceless'' Man, and [[spoiler:you can end the curse by restoring him - using a mask]]. Gann's beautiful face is something of a plot point. Safiya's face is identical to that of her mother for a good reason. Kelemvor, new god of the dead, wears a very memorable mask. The woman who runs the Veil Theatre has a studio dedicated to creating masks for the plays, and even the theatre's name refers to a sort of mask. And a drinking game for every time somebody refers to masks, faces, or masks on faces, or faces beneath masks is inadvisable unless one seeks liver failure.
** Arguably, your situation is not great. Yes, you just beat an incredibly powerful avatar of the dark side of magic, but [[spoiler:your close friends and followers may well be dead. The shard that has been inside your body for all your life has been removed (but not very well), you didn't get crushed to death at the end of [=NWN 2=], but you are thousands of miles from home, trapped in a country full of beings who would gladly kill you. Oh yeah, and
* BodyMotifs: Faces and masks (it ''is'' in the title). The spirit-eater curse is referred to sometimes as an entity in and of itself that happens to be "wearing" you as a mask, [[spoiler:just as it's "worn" the faces of its many previous victims]]. A name for an important character in the backstory is The ''Faceless'' Man, and [[spoiler:you can end the curse by restoring him - using a mask]]. Gann's beautiful face is something of a plot point. Safiya's face is identical to that of her mother for a good reason. Kelemvor, new god of the dead, wears a very memorable mask. The woman who runs the Veil Theatre has a studio dedicated to creating masks for the plays, and even the theatre's name refers to a sort of mask. And a drinking game for every time somebody refers to masks, faces, or masks on faces, or faces beneath masks is inadvisable unless one seeks liver failure.
Changed line(s) 23 (click to see context) from:
* BoringButPractical / DifficultButAwesome: The [[spoiler:Spirit-Eater Curse again]], depending on how you run with it.
to:
* BoringButPractical / DifficultButAwesome: BoringButPractical[=/=]DifficultButAwesome: The [[spoiler:Spirit-Eater Curse again]], depending on how you run with it.
Changed line(s) 28 (click to see context) from:
** [[spoiler:Akachi's Scythe can be combined with Myrkul's spirit essence to make an [[InfinityPlusOneSword Infinity + 1 Scythe]] called Spiritual Evisceration.]] It'd be nice if you actually had something to use it on; instead you get it after you've probably already got your character at 30th level, designed for a different weapon class than scythes (which are rarely seen since HeroesPreferSwords), and [[spoiler:one short dungeon from the end of the game]].
to:
** [[spoiler:Akachi's Scythe can be combined with Myrkul's spirit essence to make an [[InfinityPlusOneSword Infinity + 1 Scythe]] called Spiritual Evisceration.]] It'd be nice if you actually had something to use it on; instead you get it after you've probably already got your character at 30th level, designed for a different weapon class than unlikely to be scythes (which are rarely seen since HeroesPreferSwords), and [[spoiler:one short dungeon from the end of the game]].
Changed line(s) 34,35 (click to see context) from:
* [[CuteMonsterGirl Cute Monster Guy]]: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} whe0\n he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too pretty to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and thus give birth to hideously ugly hagspawns.]]
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes the player did not [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end of the OC.
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes the player did not [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end of the OC.
to:
* [[CuteMonsterGirl Cute Monster Guy]]: Gannayev the Hagspawn. {{Lampshaded}} whe0\n when he jokingly denies that he's a Hagspawn simply on the basis that he's way too pretty ''pretty'' to be one. [[spoiler:Gann looks so beautiful because his mother actually loved his father, whereas other hags/nighthags are incapable of love and thus give birth to hideously ugly hagspawns.]]
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes a character that was not imported from theplayer original campaign did not ''not'' [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end of the OC.end.
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes a character that was not imported from the
Changed line(s) 44 (click to see context) from:
* DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu: [[spoiler:Did You Just EAT Myrkul?]]
to:
* DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu: [[spoiler:Did You Just EAT ''Eat'' Myrkul?]]
Changed line(s) 47 (click to see context) from:
-->'''Gann:''' ... and old mother, do not think your mind has not laid down paths for me to stroll. ''Such'' thoughts in a woman your age – it would put even a farmer's fieryloined daughter to shame.
to:
-->'''Gann:''' ... and old mother, do not think your mind has not laid down paths for me to stroll. ''Such'' thoughts in a woman your age – it would put even a farmer's fieryloined daughter to shame.
Changed line(s) 52 (click to see context) from:
* DysfunctionJunction: Surprisingly averted... [[spoiler:well, unless you have One of Many and regularly go out of your way to gain Influence with it]], given the darker tone of this installment. There's a bit of banter back and forth, and Gann certainly likes teasing Kaelyn from time to time, but the party feels much more cohesive and calm compared to the OC gang.
to:
* DysfunctionJunction: Surprisingly averted... [[spoiler:well, unless you have One of Many and regularly go out of your way to gain Influence with it]], given the darker tone of this installment. instalment. There's a bit of banter back and forth, and Gann certainly likes teasing Kaelyn from time to time, but the party feels much more cohesive and calm compared to the OC original gang.
Changed line(s) 60 (click to see context) from:
* ExecutiveMeddling: Chris Avellone notes that Gann was originally going to be Bi, as "that felt true to how he perceived love". Given that the same company has no issues with [[TempleOfElementalEvil Bertram and lesbian flirting]], it seems it's only OK for minor characters.
to:
* ExecutiveMeddling: Chris Avellone notes that Gann was and Safiya as love interests were originally going to be Bi, not constrained by gender, as "that felt true to how he [they] perceived love". Given that the same company has had no issues with [[TempleOfElementalEvil Bertram and lesbian flirting]], it seems it's only OK okay for minor characters.
Changed line(s) 63 (click to see context) from:
* FatalFlaw: Kaelyn's obession with destroying the Wall of the Faithless.
to:
* FatalFlaw: Kaelyn's obession obsession with destroying the Wall of the Faithless.
Changed line(s) 71,73 (click to see context) from:
* FlayingAlive: the fate of [[spoiler:Gannayev's father]].
* GameBreakingBug: The initial version broke the "go to the swamp to retrieve the silver shard" quest early in the OC by causing a PlotLock to fail to open.
* GodsHandsAreTied: [[spoiler:Kelemvor would love to end the Spirit-Eater curse for you, but the entire pantheon would come down on him if he were to toss aside another god's judgement against his own follower. However, he ''is'' willing to [[LoopholeAbuse abuse some loopholes]] to let ''you'' end it. The Wall of the Faithless, on the other hand, is there to stay]]
* GameBreakingBug: The initial version broke the "go to the swamp to retrieve the silver shard" quest early in the OC by causing a PlotLock to fail to open.
* GodsHandsAreTied: [[spoiler:Kelemvor would love to end the Spirit-Eater curse for you, but the entire pantheon would come down on him if he were to toss aside another god's judgement against his own follower. However, he ''is'' willing to [[LoopholeAbuse abuse some loopholes]] to let ''you'' end it. The Wall of the Faithless, on the other hand, is there to stay]]
to:
* FlayingAlive: the The fate of [[spoiler:Gannayev's father]].
* GameBreakingBug: The initial version broke the "go to the swamp to retrieve the silver shard" quest early in theOC original campaign by causing a PlotLock to fail to open.
* GodsHandsAreTied: [[spoiler:Kelemvor would love to end the Spirit-Eater curse for you, but the entire pantheon would come down on him if he were to toss aside another god's judgement against his own follower. However, he ''is'' willing to [[LoopholeAbuse abuse some loopholes]] to let ''you'' end it. The Wall of the Faithless, on the other hand, is there tostay]]stay for the same reason he can't end the curse himself, only more so.]]
* GameBreakingBug: The initial version broke the "go to the swamp to retrieve the silver shard" quest early in the
* GodsHandsAreTied: [[spoiler:Kelemvor would love to end the Spirit-Eater curse for you, but the entire pantheon would come down on him if he were to toss aside another god's judgement against his own follower. However, he ''is'' willing to [[LoopholeAbuse abuse some loopholes]] to let ''you'' end it. The Wall of the Faithless, on the other hand, is there to
Changed line(s) 107 (click to see context) from:
* NotInThisForYourRevolution: The expansion pack is praised for giving a motive that is believable for all characters -- [[spoiler:saving yourself from a curse that is slowly killing you]] -- over the "Save the world" that the original game forced the players into. So even if the player character has no reason to stop what has been plaguing the lands for decades, they still have a reason to finish the main quest.
to:
* NotInThisForYourRevolution: The expansion pack is praised for giving a motive that is believable for all characters -- [[spoiler:saving yourself from a curse that is slowly killing you]] -- over the "Save "save the world" that the original game forced the players into. So even if the player character has no reason to stop what has been plaguing the lands for decades, they still have a reason to finish the main quest.
Changed line(s) 111 (click to see context) from:
---> '''Kaelyn:''' You ... you are a ... Oh, I don't know any curses. How embarrassing.
to:
---> '''Kaelyn:''' You ... You... you are a ...a... Oh, I don't know any curses. How embarrassing.
Changed line(s) 125 (click to see context) from:
* RagtagBunchOfMisfits: Consisting of you, a somewhat Machiavellian wizard, a Hagspawn casanova, an exiled half-angel, and either an undead abomination or a giant talking SPIRIT RAINBOW BEAR.
to:
* RagtagBunchOfMisfits: Consisting of you, you (already a WalkingDisasterArea who then gets cursed to become a soul-eating abomination), a somewhat Machiavellian wizard, wizard from an organisation with a ''nasty'' reputation, a Hagspawn casanova, casanova who uses his dreamwalking powers to give the local ladies some ''very'' pleasant dreams, an exiled half-angel, half-angel rebelling against the gods themselves, and either an undead another soul-eating abomination created from the fused souls of dozens of cremated individuals or a ''a giant talking SPIRIT RAINBOW BEAR.rainbow spirit bear god''.
Changed line(s) 128,129 (click to see context) from:
* SelfDeprecation: There REALLY is a lot of self-deprecating humor.
* SequenceBreaking: Getting Gann's influence high enough before the end of Act I will tip you off to the [[spoiler:spirit eater curse]] before you're supposed to know about it.
* SequenceBreaking: Getting Gann's influence high enough before the end of Act I will tip you off to the [[spoiler:spirit eater curse]] before you're supposed to know about it.
to:
* SelfDeprecation: There REALLY really is a lot of self-deprecating humor.
* SequenceBreaking: Getting Gann's influence high enough before the end of Act I will tip you offto the about [[spoiler:spirit eater curse]] before you're supposed to know about it.
* SequenceBreaking: Getting Gann's influence high enough before the end of Act I will tip you off
Changed line(s) 136 (click to see context) from:
** Likely an artifact from when Gann was going to be Bi.
to:
** Likely an artifact from when Gann was going to be Bi.bi.
Changed line(s) 139 (click to see context) from:
* TrulySingleParent: [[spoiler:The Founder]]
to:
* TrulySingleParent: [[spoiler:The Founder]]Founder.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
moved from Neverwinter Nights
Added DiffLines:
* PayingForTheActionScene: A tavern where the owner will fine you if you start a bar fight and/or vandalise any of the furniture.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Deleted line(s) 5 (click to see context) :
* AGodAmI: Well, not so much a God as [[spoiler:an utterly unnatural god-killing ''[[EldritchAbomination thing]]'' that has declared war on the planes by its very existence]], but this is [[spoiler:your reward if you're aiming for the evil ending.]]
Added DiffLines:
* EldritchAbomination: Should you go for the evil ending, [[spoiler:this is effectively what you become; a wandering incarnation of emptiness devouring all in your path, a ''thing'' which has declared war on the planes by its very existence, capable of consuming even gods. One of Many is ecstatic; everyone else is horrified.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* AGodAmI: Well, not so much a God as [[spoiler:an utterly unnatural god-killing ''[[EldritchAbomination thing]]'' that has declared war on the planes by its very existence]], but this is [[spoiler:your reward if you're aiming for the evil ending.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* MergerOfSouls: The Academy of Shapers and Binders has a wizard who can fuse souls, and bound his own soul into a clay {{golem}} to do it more safely. A sidequest on the same level requires you to trade a particular soul to two [[OurDemonsAreDifferent pit fiends]]. Unfortunately, they can't agree on what the soul should have; in fact each gives mutually exclusive requirements. [[spoiler:The solution ends up being to have the aforementioned wizard fuse two completely opposite souls together.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Hannibal Lecture is not \'villainous speech\' or general Breaking Speech. It is only used by captives.
Deleted line(s) 5 (click to see context) :
* AGodAmI: Well, not so much a God as [[spoiler:an utterly unnatural god-killing ''[[EldritchAbomination thing]]'' that has declared war on the planes by its very existence]], but this is [[spoiler:your reward if you're aiming for the evil ending.]]
Deleted line(s) 80,81 (click to see context) :
* HannibalLecture: [[spoiler:Myrkul will lecture Kaelyn and Gann.]]
** ShutUpHannibal: [[spoiler:See DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu above.]]
** ShutUpHannibal: [[spoiler:See DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu above.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Added DiffLines:
* EleventhHourSuperPower: The Spiritual Evisceration spell, which lets you instantly devour the soul of a target. But you only get it if [[spoiler:you choose to devour Akachi, and you only get to use it in the very last battle against your companions when they attack you.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Changed line(s) 5 (click to see context) from:
* AGodAmI: Well, not so much a God as [[spoiler:an utterly unnatural god-killing ''thing'' that has declared war on the planes by its very existence]], but this is [[spoiler:your reward if you're aiming for the evil ending.]]
to:
* AGodAmI: Well, not so much a God as [[spoiler:an utterly unnatural god-killing ''thing'' ''[[EldritchAbomination thing]]'' that has declared war on the planes by its very existence]], but this is [[spoiler:your reward if you're aiming for the evil ending.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
* CuttingOffTheBranches: The expansion assumes the player did not [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end of the OC.
Deleted line(s) 126 (click to see context) :
* RoadCone: The expansion assumes the player did not [[spoiler:join the King of Shadows]] at the end of the OC.