History Music / RedHousePainters

* CarefulWithThatAxe: Kozelek indulges in this during the ending of the song "Blindfold"

* CrazyCatLady: Mark owns a lot of cats and often writes songs about them..
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Shockingly enough, some of the songs on the early demos sound [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFx94ErQ_k much]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWvO8RpHWBI more]] [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egbBXK-Qvzc upbeat]], and have a more distinctive [[Music/TheSmiths Smiths]] influence than their later, more somber work. Compare the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23dqL7jXp04 demo version of "Strawberry Hill"]] to the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxyKqH2E4sM studio version]] for a good example.

* HiddenTrack: ''Ocean Beach'' has one at the very end in the form of "Brockwell Park Pt 2"

** Every album after ''Rollercoaster'' and ''Bridge'' is headed towards this direction. This culminated with the release of ''Old Ramon'', which is one of the most upbeat albums that Kozelek has ever recorded. Mind you, the band still [[TearJerker maintained their tendency to drive listeners to tears]]
* LyricalDissonance: "Lord Kill the Pain" is one of the most upbeat sounding songs in the band's entire catalog. The [[http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/45076/ lyrics on the other hand]], aren't ''nearly'' as sunny.

* SelfTitledAlbum: One of the rare bands to have TWO released in the same year.

%% * DeadpanSnarker: Mark comes across as one in his live shows.

%% * GrowingUpSucks: Basically the entire concept behind "24".

%% * IAmTheBand: Mark Kozelek on ''Music/SongsForABlueGuitar''
%% * InNameOnly: Once again, ''Songs for a Blue Guitar''. It was meant to be Kozelek's solo debut.

%% ** ''Ocean Beach''

%% * {{Scatting}}: The final section of "Katy Song".

%% * StudioChatter: "Over My Head"
%% * TextlessAlbumCover: ''Ocean Beach'' and ''Old Ramon''
%% * TropeCodifier: For sadcore.

Red House Painters are a {{Slowcore}} band from the '90s consisting of singer-songwriter Mark Kozelek, drummer Anthony Koutsos, bassist Jerry Vessel, and guitarists Gorden Mack (1988–95) and Phil Carney (1995–2001).

!!Discography

* PostRock- Arguable, but with the droney nature some of the longer songs take, especially on ''Down Colorful Hill'' and ''Rollercoaster'', as well as the band's odd use of time signatures and harmonies, they could qualify as this.

* CarefulWithThatAxe- Kozelek indulges in this during the ending of the song "Blindfold"

* DeadpanSnarker: Mark comes across as one in his live shows.

* EpicRocking- Most of their music in general has songs the stretch beyond 7 minutes. At least one song per album is over 10 minutes long.
* GrowingUpSucks: Basically the entire concept behind "24".

* IAmTheBand: Mark Kozelek on ''Music/SongsForABlueGuitar''
* InNameOnly: Once again, ''Songs for a Blue Guitar''. It was meant to be Kozelek's solo debut.

* LighterAndSofter: ''Ocean Beach'' is considerably more upbeat than the preceding albums
** It could be argued that every album after ''Rollercoaster'' and ''Bridge'' headed towards this direction. This culminated with the release of ''Old Ramon'', which is one of the most upbeat albums that Kozelek has ever recorded. Mind you, the band still [[TearJerker maintained their tendency to drive listeners to tears]]

* MindScrew: "Evil" definitely qualifies. Unlike most of Kozelek's songs, which are usually related to his past or inner turmoil, the subject matter in this story is very vague, and as a result, the song becomes incredibly creepy.

* NewSoundAlbum: ''Ocean Beach''

* {{Scatting}}: The final section of "Katy Song".

* StudioChatter: "Over My Head"
* TextlessAlbumCover: ''Ocean Beach'' and ''Old Ramon''
* TropeCodifier: For sadcore.

Red House Painters are a {{Slowcore}} band from the '90s consisting of singer-songwriter Mark Kozelek, drummer Anthony Koutsos, guitarist Jerry Vessel, and bassists Gorden Mack (1988–95) and Phil Carney (1995–2001).

* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Kozelek seems to like playing the role of a snobby {{jerkass}} on stage, but many people who have interviewed him and his closest friends all claim that he is one of the nicest guys out there. A possible explanation for the Jerkass behavior on stage is so that way he doesn't get obsessively stalky fans.

After the success of ''Songs for a Blue Guitar'' the band got back together to record what would be their last album, ''Old Ramon''. Just as they were looking forward to having it released in 1997, Island dropped them and then proceeded to refuse to release the album. It would take Kozelek another 4 years to finally raise enough money to buy the rights back from Island and release the album on Creator/SubPop in 2001. By this time the band had already moved onto new horizons and RHP was no more. Kozelek went on to create Music/SunKilMoon, while other members went onto solo projects.

* MeanCharacterNiceActor: Kozelek seems to like playing the role of a snobby Jerkass on stage, but many people who have interviewed him and his closest friends all claim that he is one of the nicest guys out there. A possible explanation for the Jerkass behavior on stage is so that way he doesn't get obsessively stalky fans.

* CoverAlbum: Mark's AC/DC album, ''What's Next to the Moon''.
* CoverVersion: On ''Songs for a Blue Guitar'', we have "Silly Love Songs" by Music/PaulMcCartney, "Long Distance Runaround" by Music/{{Yes}}, and "All Mixed Up" by Music/TheCars. The ''Bridge'' album gives us "I Am a Rock" by Music/SimonAndGarfunkel, and a version of the "Star Spangled Banner". There's also an entire Mark Kozelek album dedicated to AC/DC covers.

** It's more difficult finding songs in their discography that don't exceed the 4 minute mark.

* MindScrew: "Evil" definitely qualifies. Unlike most of Kozelek's songs, which are usually related to his past or inner turmoil, the subject matter in this story is very vague, and as a result, the song becomes [[NightmareFuel incredibly creepy]].

* RhymingWithItself: "That's when friends were nice, To think of them just makes you feel nice" from "Have You Forgotten".

They origins of Red House Painters are a bit of a messy story. Kozelek started an attempt at a music career in the mid-80s after years of depression and shyness. Living in Atlanta at the time he started a band called God Forbid that left virtually no footprint. Allegedly, recordings were made of God Forbid, but they have yet to surface. It's theorized that Kozelek formed the Painters in 1988, seeing as an early interview from that year at an Atlanta based indie station surfaced in 2011. The performance quality on these demos are shaky, it seems Kozelek has kept the early history of a band a secret due to OldShame. The demos from this era of the band remain lost. Their success in Atlanta was very limited.

They started out in 1988 constantly recording demos. These demos are now sought-out collector's items by fans of the band. Nonetheless, in 1992, they signed to Creator/FourADRecords and scrapped most of the older material in exchange for a thicker, slower version of that material. They released their first album, ''Down Colorful Hill'' to nearly universal critical acclaim.

* GrowingUpSucks: Basically the entire concept behind "24".

* CoverAlbum: Mark's AC/DC album, ''What's Next to the Moon''.

They started out in 1989 constantly recording demos. These demos are now sought-out collector's items by fans of the band. Nonetheless, in 1992, they signed to Creator/FourADRecords and scrapped most of the older material in exchange for a thicker, slower version of that material. They released their first album, ''Down Colorful Hill'' to nearly universal critical acclaim.

* CoverVersion: On ''Songs for a Blue Guitar'', we have "Silly Love Songs" by Music/PaulMcCartney, "Long Distance Runaround" by Music/{{Yes}}, and "All Mixed Up" by Music/TheCars. The ''Bridge Album'' gives us "I Am a Rock" by Music/SimonAndGarfunkel, and a version of the "Star Spangled Banner". There's also an entire Mark Kozelek album dedicated to AC/DC covers.

* InNameOnly: Once again, ''Songs For A Blue Guitar''. It was meant to be Kozelek's solo debut.

* LyricalDissonance: "Lord Kill the Pain" is one of the most upbeat sounding songs in the band's entire catalog. The [[http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/45076/ lyrics on the other]] hand aren't nearly as sunny.

** ''Songs For A Blue Guitar'' qualifies as well. It takes the folk influence of ''Ocean Beach'' a step further and lays the template for the work Kozelek would later do with Sun Kil Moon

* VocalEvolution: Starting with ''Songs for a Blue Guitar'', Kozelek's voice went from being very strained and somber to higher pitched and with more of a distinct Music/NeilYoung influence.

Red House Painters are a {{Slowcore}} band from the 90's consisting of singer-songwriter Mark Kozelek, drummer Anthony Koutsos, guitarist Jerry Vessel, and bassists Gorden Mack (1989-1995) and Phil Carney (1995-2001).

After the release of the first album, they became the new shining beacons of the 4AD label along with the AmericanMusicClub. The next year would be spent in exhausting touring and recording for the band, resulting in two [[SelfTitledAlbum Self Titled Albums]] (and yes, they WERE in fact trying to mess with their fanbase). These albums would later be renamed to ''Rollercoaster'' and ''Bridge'' based off of their art work. Both of these albums are considered to be the epitome of the sadcore movement.

After the success of ''Songs For A Blue Guitar'' the band got back together to record what would be their last album, ''Old Ramon''. Just as they were looking forward to having it released in 1997, Island dropped them and then proceeded to refuse to release the album. It would take Kozelek another 4 years to finally raise enough money to buy the rights back from Island and release the album on Creator/SubPop in 2001. By this time the band had already moved onto new horizons and RHP was no more. Kozelek went on to create Music/SunKilMoon, while other members went onto solo projects.

* BittersweetEnding- The final song of ''Rollercoaster'', "Brown Eyes". The entire album is about Mark's stressful life and situations. The song is almost like a lullaby he's singing to his former self, as if to put it to rest.

* ConceptAlbum- ''Songs For A Blue Guitar'' seems like a pretty strong example. The songs are mostly about the pains of growing up and then watching yourself age.
* CoverVersion- On ''Songs For A Blue Guitar'', we have "Silly Love Songs" by Music/PaulMcCartney, "Long Distance Runaround" by Music/{{Yes}} "All Mixed Up" by Music/TheCars. The ''Bridge Album'' gives us "I Am A Rock" by Music/SimonAndGarfunkel, and a version of the "Star Spangled Banner". There's also an entire Mark Kozelek album dedicated to AC/DC covers.
* CoverAlbum- Mark's AC/DC album, ''What's Next To The Moon''.
* CrazyCatLady- Mark owns a lot of cats and often writes songs about them..

* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Shockingly enough, some of the songs on the early demos sound a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFx94ErQ_k lot]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWvO8RpHWBI more]] [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egbBXK-Qvzc upbeat]], and have a more distinctive [[Music/TheSmiths Smiths]] influence than their later, more somber work. Compare the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23dqL7jXp04 demo version of "Strawberry Hill"]] to the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxyKqH2E4sM studio version]] for a good example.

* GrowingUpSucks- Basically the entire concept behind "24".
* IAmTheBand- Mark Kozelek on ''Music/SongsForABlueGuitar''
* InNameOnly- Once again, ''Songs For A Blue Guitar''. It was meant to be Kozelek's solo debut.
* LeaveTheCameraRunning- On the track "Over My Head" on ''Ocean Beach'' there's a few seconds of the band just talking in the recording studio before the songs starts and after the song ends.
* LighterAndSofter- ''Ocean Beach'' is considerably more upbeat than the preceding albums

* LyricalDissonance- "Lord Kill The Pain" is one of the most upbeat sounding songs in the band's entire catalog. The [[http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/45076/ lyrics on the other]] hand aren't nearly as sunny.
* MeanCharacterNiceActor- Kozelek seems to like playing the role of a snobby Jerkass on stage, but many people who have interviewed him and his closest friends all claim that he is one of the nicest guys out there. A possible explanation for the Jerkass behavior on stage is so that way he doesn't get obsessively stalky fans.

* NewSoundAlbum- ''Ocean Beach''

* PerishingAltRockVoice- Probably the absolute, most perished example in the history of music.

* RhymingWithItself- "That's when friends were nice, To think of them just makes you feel nice." From "Have You Forgotten".
* SelfTitledAlbum- One of the rare bands to have TWO released in the same year.
* SingingSimlish- The final section of "Katy Song".
* SpiritualSuccessor- Sun Kil Moon to the point where comparisons have become nigh impossible.
* StudioChatter- "Over My Head"
* TextlessAlbumCover - ''Ocean Beach'' and ''Old Ramon''
* TropeCodifier- For sadcore.
* VocalEvolution- Starting with ''Songs For A Blue Guitar'' Kozelek's voice went from being very strained and somber, to higher pitched and with more of a distinct Neil Young influence.

* GrowingUpSucks- Basically the entire concept behind "24"

!!RedHousePainters incorporate the following tropes:

* MisBlamed - Ivo Watts Russell is actually not the one that caused most of the problems with the band. It was actually the fault of 4AD's American branch in general, which was being run by executives from Warner Bros.