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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness: Throughout their career, Paradise Lost have wildly veered between 6 and 10.
** More specifically, hard 8 to low 10 for their earliest few albums, 7-8 on ''Icon'' and ''Draconian Times'', 5-7 on ''One Second'', ''Host'' and ''Believe In Nothing'', 6-8 on ''Symbol Of Life'' and 7-9 on all albums since the self-titled one.
** More specifically, hard 8 to low 10 for their earliest few albums, 7-8 on ''Icon'' and ''Draconian Times'', 5-7 on ''One Second'', ''Host'' and ''Believe In Nothing'', 6-8 on ''Symbol Of Life'' and 7-9 on all albums since the self-titled one.
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* LongRunnerLineUp: Paradise Lost's line up is largely stable, consisting of Nick Holmes, Greg Mackintosh, Aaron Aedy, and Stephen Edmondson, with the band only changing drummers. They were a Type 2 with Lee Morris, who was their drummer from 1994-2004.
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* GothicMetal: One of the TropeMakers along with Music/MyDyingBride and Music/Anathema.
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* GothicMetal: One of the TropeMakers along with MyDyingBride Music/MyDyingBride and Music/Anathema.
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* GothicMetalGothicMetal: One of the TropeMakers along with MyDyingBride and Music/Anathema.
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* OldShame: Greg Mackintosh said that ''Believe in Nothing'' "doesn't really exist for him". [[ExecutiveMeddling Having no creative control has something to do with this]].
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* TropeNamers: The term "gothic metal" comes from Paradise Lost's ''Gothic'' album.
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* ''Obsidian'' - 2020
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* RealLifeWritesThePlot: Gregor Mackintosh being more involved with keyboards on ''Host'' was reportedly due to sustaining an injury that affected his guitar playing.
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something notable about Draconian Times.
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Paradise Lost's fifth studio album, ''Draconian Times'' was released in 1995 and is considered to be the band's most critically and commercially successful release, having notably sold over one million copies worldwide.
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Starting from ''The Plague Within'', Paradise Lost's style has shifted to mix between their early and current eras, combining the death/doom sound of ''Lost Paradise'' and ''Gothic'' with the gothic metal they later innovated.
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Starting from ''The Plague Within'', Paradise Lost's style has shifted to a mix between their early and current eras, combining the death/doom sound of ''Lost Paradise'' and ''Gothic'' with the gothic metal they later innovated.
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* Adrian Erlandsson - drums
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Starting from ''The Plague Within'' Within'', Paradise Lost's style has shifted to mix between their early and current eras, combining the death/doom sound of ''Lost Paradise'' and ''Gothic'' with the gothic metal they later innovated.
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* ''Medusa'' - 2017
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: Turns out "Enchantment" from ''Draconian Times'' is about this.
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* ADateWithRosiePalms: Turns out Nick Holmes once joked that "Enchantment" from ''Draconian Times'' is about this. Whether the song really is about this or something innocuous is up to the listener.
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* OldShame: Greg Mackintosh said that ''Believe in Nothing'' "doesn't really exist for him". [[ExecutiveMeddling Having no creative control has something to do with this]].
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* TraumaticHaircut: The music video for "Faith Divides Us - Death Unites Us".
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* SopranoAndGravel: One of the bands to use the technique before TheatreOfTragedy made it popular. Their more recent stuff doesn't have much of this trope, however ("Erased" being one of the notable exceptions).
* TropeMaker: One of them for GothicMetal.
* TropeNamer: The term "gothic metal" comes from Paradise Lost's ''Gothic'' album.
* TropeMaker: One of them for GothicMetal.
* TropeNamer: The term "gothic metal" comes from Paradise Lost's ''Gothic'' album.
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* SopranoAndGravel: One of the bands to use the technique before TheatreOfTragedy Music/TheatreOfTragedy made it popular. Their more recent stuff doesn't have much of this trope, however ("Erased" being one of the notable exceptions).
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** Especially ''Gothic'', which toned down the DeathMetal and began to include Gothic influences (appropriately enough), ''Icon'', which saw them dropping the DeathMetal side entirely, ''One Second'', which inaugurated their synthrock phase, ''Symbol Of Life'', which saw them get noticeably heavier (while keeping the synthrock) and then the self-titled album, which saw them return to their ''Icon''-era sound. ''The Plague Within'' marks a return to the death/doom of their early days mixed with their ''Icon-Draconian Times'' sound.
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** Especially ''Gothic'', which toned down the DeathMetal and began to include Gothic influences (appropriately enough), ''Icon'', which saw them dropping the DeathMetal side entirely, ''One Second'', which inaugurated their synthrock phase, ''Symbol Of Life'', which saw them get noticeably heavier (while keeping the synthrock) and then the self-titled album, which saw them return to their ''Icon''-era sound. ''The Plague Within'' marks a return to the death/doom of their early days mixed with their ''Icon-Draconian Times'' and post-S/T sound.
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Their latest album ''The Plague Within'' is a mix between the early and current eras of the band, combining the death/doom sound of Lost Paradise ''Lost Paradise'' and Gothic ''Gothic'' with the gothic metal they later innovated.
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In 1997, they changed their look and style, and they began to experiment with synthrock and electronica. This direction, started with the album ''One Second'', continued with their next two albums, ''Host'' and ''Believe in Nothing'', the latter having more rock elements. The band appeared to be shedding their metal roots for good until ''Symbol of Life'' was released, signifying Paradise Lost's return to metal, albeit with a different sound to ''Icon''. This return to their roots was codified by their next album, which was self-titled and sounded closer to their "classic" era. They have been a gothic metal band ever since.
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In 1997, they changed their look and style, and they began to experiment with synthrock and electronica. This direction, started with the album ''One Second'', continued with their next two albums, ''Host'' and ''Believe in Nothing'', the latter having more rock elements. The band appeared to be shedding their metal roots for good until ''Symbol of Life'' was released, signifying Paradise Lost's return to metal, albeit with a different sound to ''Icon''. This return to their roots was codified by their next album, which was self-titled and sounded closer to their "classic" era. They have primarily been a gothic metal band ever since.
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Their latest album ''The Plague Within'' is a mix between the early and current eras of the band, combining the death/doom sound of Lost Paradise and Gothic with the gothic metal they later innovated.
Their latest album ''The Plague Within'' is a mix between the early and current eras of the band, combining the death/doom sound of Lost Paradise and Gothic with the gothic metal they later innovated.
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* DoomMetal: Once again, their early stuff.
* GenreShift: In chronological order: death/doom, gothic metal, synthrock, (vaguely) industrial metal, gothic metal.
* DoomMetal: Once again, their early stuff.
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* DeathMetal: Their early stuff.
stuff. Reintroduced into their sound on ''The Plague Within''
* DoomMetal: Once again, their earlystuff.
stuff. Also reintroduced on ''The Plague Within''
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** Especially ''Gothic'', which toned down the DeathMetal and began to include Gothic influences (appropriately enough), ''Icon'', which saw them dropping the DeathMetal side entirely, ''One Second'', which inaugurated their synthrock phase, ''Symbol Of Life'', which saw them get noticeably heavier (while keeping the synthrock) and then the self-titled album, which saw them return to their ''Icon''-era sound. ''The Plague Within'' marks a return to the death/doom of their early days mixed with their ''Icon-Draconian Times'' sound.
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* ADeathWithRosiePalms: Turns out "Enchantment" from ''Draconian Times'' is about this.
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* ADeathWithRosiePalms: ADateWithRosiePalms: Turns out "Enchantment" from ''Draconian Times'' is about this.
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* ADeathWithRosiePalms: Turns out "Enchantment" from ''Draconian Times'' is about this.
* IndustrialMetal: During the synthrock era of their career, anyways.
** More specifically, hard 8 to low 10 for their earliest few albums, 7-8 on ''Icon'' and ''Draconian Times'', 5-7 on ''One Second'', ''Host'' and ''Believe In Nothing'', 6-8 on ''Symbol Of Life'' and 7-9 on all albums since the self-titled one.
** Especially ''Gothic'', which toned down the DeathMetal and began to include Gothic influences (appropriately enough), ''Icon'', which saw them dropping the DeathMetal side entirely, ''One Second'', which inaugurated their synthrock phase, ''Symbol Of Life'', which saw them get noticeably heavier (while keeping the synthrock) and then the self-titled album, which saw them return to their ''Icon''-era sound.
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Paradise Lost are a five-piece [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] band formed in 1988 in Halifax, England. Initially a [[DeathMetal death]]/[[DoomMetal doom]] band, Paradise Lost changed their direction with their albums ''Icon'' and ''Draconian Times'', [[TropeMaker pioneering the]] GothicMetal [[TropeMaker subgenre]], vocalist Nick Holmes changing his vocal style from a death growl (used on the band's first three albums) to clean singing. [[TropeNamer The name "gothic metal" is also derived from the band's second album]], ''Gothic'', which featured many of the trademarks that were to become canonised in gothic metal.
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Paradise Lost are a five-piece [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] band formed in 1988 in Halifax, England. Initially a [[DeathMetal death]]/[[DoomMetal doom]] band, Paradise Lost changed their direction with their albums ''Icon'' and ''Draconian Times'', [[TropeMaker pioneering the]] GothicMetal [[TropeMaker subgenre]], vocalist Nick Holmes changing his vocal style from a death growl (used on the band's first three albums) to clean singing. [[TropeNamer The name "gothic metal" is also derived from the band's second album]], ''Gothic'', which featured many of the trademarks that were to become canonised in gothic metal.
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* DeathMetal - Their early stuff.
* DoomMetal - Once again, their early stuff.
* GenreShift - In chronological order: death/doom, gothic metal, synthrock, (vaguely) industrial metal, gothic metal.
* DoomMetal - Once again, their early stuff.
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* DeathMetal - DeathMetal: Their early stuff.
*DoomMetal - DoomMetal: Once again, their early stuff.
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* MohsScaleOfRockAndMetalHardness - Throughout their career, Paradise Lost have wildly veered between 6 and 10.
* NewSoundAlbum - Pretty much every album they've ever done.
* SelfTitledAlbum - Technically two: their first album was called ''Lost Paradise'', their tenth ''Paradise Lost''. What's more, ''Lost Paradise'' contains a song called "Lost Paradise" and another called "Paradise Lost".
* SignatureSong - "As I Die".
* SopranoAndGravel - One of the bands to use the technique before TheatreOfTragedy made it popular. Their more recent stuff doesn't have much of this trope, however ("Erased" being one of the notable exceptions).
* NewSoundAlbum - Pretty much every album they've ever done.
* SelfTitledAlbum - Technically two: their first album was called ''Lost Paradise'', their tenth ''Paradise Lost''. What's more, ''Lost Paradise'' contains a song called "Lost Paradise" and another called "Paradise Lost".
* SignatureSong - "As I Die".
* SopranoAndGravel - One of the bands to use the technique before TheatreOfTragedy made it popular. Their more recent stuff doesn't have much of this trope, however ("Erased" being one of the notable exceptions).
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*SignatureSong - "As I Die".
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* ''Tragic Idol'' - 2012
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* {{Discontinuity}} - Many fans disregard the band's synthrock era.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff - Despite being a British band, Paradise Lost are considerably more popular in mainland Europe.
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Paradise Lost are a five-piece [[HeavyMetal metal]] band formed in 1988 in Halifax, England. Initially a [[DeathMetal death]]/[[DoomMetal doom]] band, Paradise Lost changed their direction with their albums ''Icon'' and ''Draconian Times'', [[TropeMaker pioneering the]] GothicMetal [[TropeMaker subgenre]], vocalist Nick Holmes changing his vocal style from a death growl (used on the band's first three albums) to clean singing. [[TropeNamer The name "gothic metal" is also derived from the band's second album]], ''Gothic'', which featured many of the trademarks that were to become canonised in gothic metal.
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Paradise Lost are a five-piece [[HeavyMetal [[Music/HeavyMetal metal]] band formed in 1988 in Halifax, England. Initially a [[DeathMetal death]]/[[DoomMetal doom]] band, Paradise Lost changed their direction with their albums ''Icon'' and ''Draconian Times'', [[TropeMaker pioneering the]] GothicMetal [[TropeMaker subgenre]], vocalist Nick Holmes changing his vocal style from a death growl (used on the band's first three albums) to clean singing. [[TropeNamer The name "gothic metal" is also derived from the band's second album]], ''Gothic'', which featured many of the trademarks that were to become canonised in gothic metal.
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* SelfTitledAlbum - Technically two: their first album was called ''Lost Paradise'', their tenth ''Paradise Lost''. What's more, ''Lost Paradise'' contains a song called "Lost Paradise" and another called "Paradise Lost". Yeah.