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Joyce's KPFA program ''Over the Edge'' was (and is) devoted to themed mixes of sampled sound, commentary, and the all-important call-ins from listeners ("receptacle programming"), with snappy satire, crazed humor and a Firesign Theater-like cast of lunatic characters. You may hear it at kpfa.org on Thursday/Friday nights at midnight Pacific time. Past episodes, including nearly all of Joyce's shows, are at the [[https://archive.org/details/ote Over the Edge Radio Archive]] and post-Joyce episodes are on the KPFA website.[[note]]Negativland also has copies of these more recent shows, in 2020 temporarily unavailable while they change things at their website.[[/note]]
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Joyce's KPFA program ''Over the Edge'' was (and is) devoted to themed mixes of sampled sound, commentary, and the all-important call-ins from listeners ("receptacle programming"), with snappy satire, crazed humor and a Firesign Theater-like cast of lunatic characters. You may [[https://kpfa.org/program/over-the-edge/ hear it at kpfa.org org]] on Thursday/Friday nights at midnight Pacific time. Past episodes, including nearly all of Joyce's shows, are at the [[https://archive.org/details/ote Over the Edge Radio Archive]] and post-Joyce episodes are on the KPFA website.[[note]]Negativland also has copies of these more recent shows, in 2020 temporarily unavailable while they change things at their website.[[/note]]
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The film ''[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zI1PtnNXOs Sonic Outlaws]]'' is a documentary of sampling artists in which Negativland members are prominently featured.
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** ''Helter Stupid'' has an 18 minute title song that focuses on the media and their obsession with sensationalistic stories -- in this case, about the supposed connection between rock and roll and murder. The reports are from local television news coverage of the David Brom axe murder case. This is the longest song they have made.
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** ''Helter Stupid'' has an 18 minute title song that focuses on the media and their obsession with sensationalistic stories -- in this case, about the supposed connection between rock and roll and murder. The reports are from local television news coverage of the David Brom axe murder case. This is the longest song they have made.[[note]]Lyons, with typical macabre humor, had created a fake press release saying that the band could not go on a planned tour because they'd been warned by the FBI not to leave the state while the investigation of the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brom David Brom]] axe murders was going on, as their music might have inspired his sickening deed. Brom really had argued with his family about religion and music; Lyons claimed that the song they'd argued about was "Christianity Is Stupid". The real reason the band couldn't tour is they couldn't afford it, but local Bay Area news outlets picked up on the story and ran it, as Lyons knew they would, without fact-checking or verifying the sources. It got as far as ''Rolling Stone'' before Lyons revealed the prank.[[/note]]
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* NeatFreak: The Weatherman is, in real life as in his media persona, very concerned with cleanliness. He's a big fan of Formula 409 and other cleaning products. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3em56fLKIg4 Here he is showing you how to get gunk off your shoes]] before you come inside.
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Negativland is an AvantGardeMusic group from Concord, California. Formed in 1979 by high school students Mark Hosler and Richard Lyons, the group's work runs the gamut from abstract sound collages to almost normal pop-rock songs, all with a biting satirical edge.
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Negativland is an AvantGardeMusic group from Concord, California. Formed in 1979 by high school students Ian Allen, Mark Hosler and Richard Lyons, later joined by David Wills, Chris Grigg, Peter Conheim, Jon Leidecker and sound collage master Don Joyce, the group's work runs the gamut from abstract sound collages to almost normal pop-rock songs, all with a biting satirical edge.
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Joyce's KPFA program ''Over the Edge'' was (and is) devoted to themed mixes of sampled sound, commentary, and the all-important call-ins from listeners ("receptacle programming"), with snappy satire, crazed humor and a Firesign Theater-like cast of lunatic characters. You may hear it at kpfa.org on Thursday/Friday nights at midnight Pacific time. Past episodes, including nearly all of Joyce's shows, are at the [[https://archive.org/details/ote Over the Edge Radio Archive]] and post-Joyce episodes are on the KPFA website.[[note]]Negativland also has copies of these more recent shows, in 2020 temporarily unavailable while they change things at their website.[[/note]]
Don Joyce died July 22, 2016 of heart failure (he was a lifelong heavy smoker). Ian Allen died January 17, 2016 of complications post-heart surgery. Richard Lyons died April 19, 2016 of melanoma. Following their wishes, the rest of the band has kept Negativland alive.
Joyce's KPFA program ''Over the Edge'' was (and is) devoted to themed mixes of sampled sound, commentary, and the all-important call-ins from listeners ("receptacle programming"), with snappy satire, crazed humor and a Firesign Theater-like cast of lunatic characters. You may hear it at kpfa.org on Thursday/Friday nights at midnight Pacific time. Past episodes, including nearly all of Joyce's shows, are at the [[https://archive.org/details/ote Over the Edge Radio Archive]] and post-Joyce episodes are on the KPFA website.[[note]]Negativland also has copies of these more recent shows, in 2020 temporarily unavailable while they change things at their website.[[/note]]
Don Joyce died July 22, 2016 of heart failure (he was a lifelong heavy smoker). Ian Allen died January 17, 2016 of complications post-heart surgery. Richard Lyons died April 19, 2016 of melanoma. Following their wishes, the rest of the band has kept Negativland alive.
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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: "U2" infamously samples an outtake of Creator/CaseyKasem introducing a record by the Irish group U2 (in a longer version of the clip, he even mentions them being Irish) and exclaiming "These guys are from England, who gives a shit?". Ireland is not even part of the UsefulNotes/UnitedKingdom, let alone part of England.
* BlackComedy: "Happy Hero" and "The Greatest Taste Around" are songs based around dark humor.
* BlackComedy: "Happy Hero" and "The Greatest Taste Around" are songs based around dark humor.
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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: "U2" infamously samples an outtake of Creator/CaseyKasem introducing a record by the Irish group U2 (in a longer version of the clip, he even mentions them being Irish) from Dublin) and exclaiming "These guys are from England, and who gives a shit?". Ireland is not even part of the UsefulNotes/UnitedKingdom, let alone part of England.
* BlackComedy: "HappyHero" Heroes" and "The Greatest Taste Around" are songs based around dark humor.
* BlackComedy: "Happy
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* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Negativland's music has curse words in it but has never gotten a parental advisory warning because SST and Seeland records are not associated with the RIAA
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* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Negativland's music has curse words in it but has never gotten a [[ContentWarnings parental advisory warning sticker]] because SST and Seeland records are not associated with the RIAARIAA.
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* MundaneMadeAwesome: Lyons' "Nesbitt's Lime Soda Song" is an overwrought mournful ballad about having to throw a drink away because a bee landed in it. On the day of Lyons' death, one of the hospice workers brought a guitar and gently sang the song with him. (They also sang "[[https://soundcloud.com/bart-conway/negativland-friends-happy-birthday-to-richard Happy Birthday]]", not only because it really was Richard's birthday but because the song had recently been freed of copyright restrictions.)
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* RedHerring: Mark Hosler himself said that Negativland loves to put irrelevant lines into a song so that things don't make too much sense. This is done to make the listener think about the music to know what its really about.
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* RedHerring: Mark Hosler himself said that Negativland loves to put irrelevant lines into a song so that things don't make too much sense. This is done to make the listener think about the music to know what its it's really about.
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* ScrewTheRulesImFamous: "Happy Hero" is a song about celebrities and how they get away with doing terrible things because of their status.
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* SensoryAbuse: Negativland are arguably the first people to ever do earrape. ''A Big 10-8 Place'' and 'The ABC's of Anarchism'' both have loud distorted earrape esque effects.
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* SensoryAbuse: Negativland are arguably the first people to ever do earrape. ear-rape. ''A Big 10-8 Place'' and 'The ABC's of Anarchism'' both have loud distorted earrape esque ear-rape-esque effects.
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!!Studio Album Discography
* 1980 - ''Negativland''
* 1981 - ''Points''
* 1983 - ''A Big 10-8 Place''
* 1987 - ''Escape From Noise''
* 1989 - ''Helter Stupid''
* 1993 - ''Free''
* 1995 - ''Fair Use: The Story of the Letter U and the Numeral 2''
* 1997 - ''Dispepsi''
* 2002 - ''Death Sentences of the Polished and Structurally Weak''
* 2005 - ''No Business''
* 2008 - ''Thigmotactic''
* 2014 - ''It's All in Your Head''
* 2019 - ''True False''
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* HarshNoise: Negativland is about making weird noises and collaging it all together.
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* NoiseRock: Negativland is about making weird noises and collaging it all together.
* StupidStatementDanceMix: One of their specialisms. Probably their most famous one is "Christianity Is Stupid", which samples a preacher in a Christian propaganda movie claiming the title phrase is a communist slogan.
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* BookEnds: ''Dispepsi'' Starts with the sound of a Pepsi can being opened, and it ends with the sound of a Pepsi can being crushed and thrown on the ground.
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* BlackComedy: "Happy Hero" and "The Greatest Taste Around" are songs based around dark humor.
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar: Negativland's music has curse words in it but has never gotten a parental advisory warning because SST and Seeland records are not associated with the RIAA
* PublicityStunt: The hoax behind ''Helter Stupid'' could arguably be seen as a publicity stunt.
* RedHerring: Mark Hosler himself said that Negativland loves to put irrelevant lines into a song so that things don't make too much sense. This is done to make the listener think about the music to know what its really about.
* RedHerring: Mark Hosler himself said that Negativland loves to put irrelevant lines into a song so that things don't make too much sense. This is done to make the listener think about the music to know what its really about.
* ScrewTheRulesImFamous: "Happy Hero" is a song about celebrities and how they get away with doing terrible things because of their status.
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* VoiceClipSong: Another of their specialisms. Most of their albums from ''A Big 10-8 Place'' onward are packed with them.
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* VoiceClipSong: Another of their specialisms. Most of their albums from ''A Big 10-8 Place'' onward are packed with them.them.
* WordSaladLyrics: ''Thigmotactic'' is a good example of this trope sometimes. "Lying on the Grass" uses this trope the most.
* WordSaladLyrics: ''Thigmotactic'' is a good example of this trope sometimes. "Lying on the Grass" uses this trope the most.
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* SensoryAbuse: Negativland are arguably the first people to ever do earrape. ''A Big 10-8 Place'' and 'The ABC's of Anarchism'' both have loud distorted earrape esque effects.
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* VoiceClipSong: Another of their specialisms. Most of their albums from ''A Real 10-8 Place'' onward are packed with them.
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* VoiceClipSong: Another of their specialisms. Most of their albums from ''A Real Big 10-8 Place'' onward are packed with them.
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* CensoredForComedy: "Happy Hero" Censors the f word for comedic effect.
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* CensoredForComedy: CensoredForComedy:
** "Happy Hero"Censors censors the f word for comedic effect.effect.
** ''These Guys Are From England And Who Gives A Shit'' ends with a painstaking re-edit of "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" in which every swear word is replaced by a SoundEffectBleep.
** "Happy Hero"
** ''These Guys Are From England And Who Gives A Shit'' ends with a painstaking re-edit of "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For" in which every swear word is replaced by a SoundEffectBleep.
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* TheCoverChangesTheMeaning: Track 10 on ''Negativland'' is essentially a cover of of the sentimental ballad "Cara Mia", but the eerie background noises and half-whispered delivery turn it into a rather creepy ObsessionSong.
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** Track 10 on ''Negativland'' is essentially a cover of of the sentimental ballad "Cara Mia", but the eerie background noises and half-whispered delivery turn it into a rather creepyObsessionSong. ObsessionSong.
** ''U2'' starts with The Weatherman dramatically and awkwardly reading the lyrics to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking for" giving the song a weird and funny vibe.
** Track 10 on ''Negativland'' is essentially a cover of of the sentimental ballad "Cara Mia", but the eerie background noises and half-whispered delivery turn it into a rather creepy
** ''U2'' starts with The Weatherman dramatically and awkwardly reading the lyrics to "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking for" giving the song a weird and funny vibe.
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* MinisculeRocking: Negativland has made a handful of short songs.
** "Hyper Real" is under a minute
** "Humanitarian Effort" is only 32 seconds long, meaning its their shortest song.
** "No Business Again" is 36 seconds long, its the closure to ''No Business''.
** "Either Or" and "Secret Win" on ''True False'' are both under a minute.
** "Hyper Real" is under a minute
** "Humanitarian Effort" is only 32 seconds long, meaning its their shortest song.
** "No Business Again" is 36 seconds long, its the closure to ''No Business''.
** "Either Or" and "Secret Win" on ''True False'' are both under a minute.
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** ''Helter Stupid'' has an 18 minute title song that focuses on the media and how murder has been associated with music in the past. This is the longest song they have made.
** ''The ABC's of Anarchism'' is a collab with Music/{{Chumbawamba}}. The title track on this EP is 13 minutes long.
** The title track of ''True False'' is 10 minutes long.
** ''Helter Stupid'' has an 18 minute title song that focuses on the media and how murder has been associated with music in the past. This is the longest song they have made.
** ''The ABC's of Anarchism'' is a collab with Music/{{Chumbawamba}}. The title track on this EP is 13 minutes long.
** The title track of ''True False'' is 10 minutes long.
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* CensoredForComedy: "Happy Hero" Censors the f word for comedic effect.
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** ''Helter Stupid'' is about the media and how they are terrible at their job.
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* GenreRoulette: Negativland has done many different genres including Pop, Country, Metal, Disco, and even just straight up noise.
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* NoiseRock: Negativland is about making weird noises and collaging it all together.
* ProductPlacement: ''Dispepsi'' constantly repeats the brand name Pepsi as a way to satirize product placement in media. Mark Hosler said he wanted people to be sick of hearing the word Pepsi by the time the album is over.
* ProductPlacement: ''Dispepsi'' constantly repeats the brand name Pepsi as a way to satirize product placement in media. Mark Hosler said he wanted people to be sick of hearing the word Pepsi by the time the album is over.
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* SoundEffectBleep: "These Guys Are From England And Who Gives A Shit," a retrospective based on the "U2" EP, ended with a painstaking edit of the notorious "Special Edit Radio Mix" in which every single obscenity (and there were a lot of them) was replaced by the sounds of, among other things, breaking glass, dogs barking, and horns.
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* TitledAfterTheSong: They took the name from a song by the group Music/{{Neu}}.
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* TitledAfterTheSong: They took the name Negativland, and that of their record label Seeland, from a song songs by the group Music/{{Neu}}.
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* MundaneMadeAwesome: "Nesbitt's Lime Soda Song" is an overwrought mournful ballad about having to throw a drink away because a bee landed in it.
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* ActuallyPrettyFunny: This was Pepsi's reaction to ''Dispepsi'', the group's album-length TakeThat against celebrity endorsement in general and Pepsi in particular. It came as a relief to the group, who had thought Pepsi might try to sue them.
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* RedScare: "Christianity Is Stupid" turns the Reverend Estus Pirkle's description of an imagined Communist invasion of the US into a StupidStatementDanceMix.
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* {{Feelies}}: Took this to another level with pre-ordered copies of ''Over The Edge Vol 9: The Chopping Channel'' which came with two bags: one containing an original radio cart made by late member Don Joyce, the other containing a portion of his ashes.
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* {{Feelies}}: Took ''A Big 10-8 Place'' came with a bag of grass. Not the illegal kind... ''actual'' grass. They later took this to another level with pre-ordered copies of ''Over The Edge Vol 9: The Chopping Channel'' which came with two bags: one containing an original radio cart made by late member Don Joyce, the other containing a portion of his ashes.
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** ''A Real 10-8 Place'' is about their home county, Costa Costra County in California.
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** ''A Real Big 10-8 Place'' is about their home county, Contra Costa Costra County in California.
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* {{Sampling}}: It's not ''all'' they do, but they're particularly known for producing sample montages often with a satirical intent.
* SomethingCompletelyDifferent: ''Thigmotactic'' is just humorous songs (and a couple of instrumentals) with no particular theme, hardly any social commentary, and very little sampling.
* SomethingCompletelyDifferent: ''Thigmotactic'' is just humorous songs (and a couple of instrumentals) with no particular theme, hardly any social commentary, and very little sampling.
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* ArtisticLicenseGeography: "U2" infamously samples an outtake of Creator/CaseyKasem introducing a record by the Irish group U2 (in a longer version of the clip, he even mentions them being Irish) and exclaiming "These guys are from England, who gives a shit?". Ireland is not even part of the UsefulNotes/UnitedKingdom, let alone part of England.
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* TheCoverChangesTheMeaning: Track 10 on ''Negativland'' is essentially a cover of of the sentimental ballad "Cara Mia", but the eerie background noises and half-whispered delivery turn it into a rather creepy ObsessionSong.
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* CannedOrdersOverLoudspeaker: "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDfrrgqy_Eo Christianity Is Stupid]]" takes the piss out of [[Film/IfFootmenTireYouWhatWillHorsesDo a terrible Christian propaganda film]] ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5o_LwqX77I see it here]]) by {{Sampling}} a sermon by Rev. Estus Pirkle. The preacher describes what he thinks the U.S. would be like under totalitarian Commuist rule, with loudspeakers constantly blaring "Christianity is stupid! Communism is good! Give up!". The track repeats these words obsessively and completely out of context over a musical backing of insistently pounding drum machines and ominous HeavyMetal guitars.
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* ConceptAlbum: Pretty much all of their albums. Among them...
** ''A Real 10-8 Place'' is about their home county, Costa Costra County in California.
** ''Escape From Noise'' is about noise incursion and noise pollution of all kinds.
** ''Free'' is about concepts of freedom.
** ''Dispepsi'' is about corporate advertising and celebrity endorsement.
** ''Thigmotactic'' has a musical concept rather than a thematic one: unlike their other albums, it's just a collection of straightforward humorous songs.
** ''True False'' is about disinformation and personal echo chambers.
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: ''Negativland'' and ''Points'' are mostly just minimal musique concrete without the social commentary and dense montage of their later work.
** ''A Real 10-8 Place'' is about their home county, Costa Costra County in California.
** ''Escape From Noise'' is about noise incursion and noise pollution of all kinds.
** ''Free'' is about concepts of freedom.
** ''Dispepsi'' is about corporate advertising and celebrity endorsement.
** ''Thigmotactic'' has a musical concept rather than a thematic one: unlike their other albums, it's just a collection of straightforward humorous songs.
** ''True False'' is about disinformation and personal echo chambers.
* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: ''Negativland'' and ''Points'' are mostly just minimal musique concrete without the social commentary and dense montage of their later work.
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* StupidStatementDanceMix: One of their specialisms. Probably their most famous one is "Christianity Is Stupid", which samples a preacher in a Christian propaganda movie claiming the title phrase is a communist slogan.slogan.
* VoiceClipSong: Another of their specialisms. Most of their albums from ''A Real 10-8 Place'' onward are packed with them.
* VoiceClipSong: Another of their specialisms. Most of their albums from ''A Real 10-8 Place'' onward are packed with them.
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*HurricaneOfPuns: The verses of "Drink It Up" are mostly puns on the names of commerical soft drinks.
*NamedAfterTheSong: They took the name from a song by the group Music/{{Neu}}.
*StupidStatementDanceMix: One of their specialisms. Probably their most famous one is "Christianity Is Stupid", which samples a preacher in a Christian propaganda movie claiming the title phrase is a communist slogan.
*HurricaneOfPuns: The verses of "Drink It Up" are mostly puns on the names of commerical soft drinks.
*NamedAfterTheSong: They took the name from a song by the group Music/{{Neu}}.
*StupidStatementDanceMix: One of their specialisms. Probably their most famous one is "Christianity Is Stupid", which samples a preacher in a Christian propaganda movie claiming the title phrase is a communist slogan.
