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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''Series/MondayNightFootball'' are the only shows mentioned in "TV Party" that are still on the air.
** And AGAIN on the redo of the song Henry did for the West Memphis 3 record. Only ''Monday Night Football'' survived that one!
** And AGAIN on the redo of the song Henry did for the West Memphis 3 record. Only ''Monday Night Football'' survived that one!
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* TheEighties
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* TheEightiesTheEighties: Though they started in TheSeventies, this was when they were at their biggest.
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* HardcorePunk
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* HardcorePunkHardcorePunk: TropeCodifier alongside Music/MinorThreat.
** PostHardcore: Started to go in this direction in their later yaers
** DoomMetal: Added elements of this starting with ''My War''.
** {{Grunge}}: Not part of the genre, but had a large influence on its formation.
** PostHardcore: Started to go in this direction in their later yaers
** DoomMetal: Added elements of this starting with ''My War''.
** {{Grunge}}: Not part of the genre, but had a large influence on its formation.
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* SlutShaming: Played with (in a way) in "Slip it In". The song takes multiple shots at an woman who is regretful for [[ReallyGetsAround "what [she] did the night before"]], [[YourCheatingHeart hitting on (and sleeping with, if the spoken word intro is anything to go by) other guys when she claims to have a boyfriend]], and blaming her actions on having too much to drink, among other things - however the song later states "You're getting around/I'm not putting it down/It's just what it is/Getting it while it's around", so this song plays the trope straight and subverts it at the same time.
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* EpicRocking - "Nothing Left Inside", "Scream" and "Three Nights" from ''My War'' are all about 6 minutes in length. "Armageddon Man" from ''Family Man'' clocks at 9 minutes. "Your Last Affront" and the title song of ''The Process of Weeding Out'' are both just under 10 minutes.
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* EpicRocking - "Nothing Left Inside", "Scream" and "Three Nights" from ''My War'' are all about 6 minutes in length. "Armageddon Man" from ''Family Man'' clocks at 9 minutes. "Your Last Affront" and the title song of ''The Process of Weeding Out'' are both just under 10 minutes and "You're Not Evil" from ''Slip It In'' is about seven minutes while the titular track is just over six minutes.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Damaged'' was going to be released nationwide, under an MCA imprint. But the label would have lost money on the record, so they not only wouldn't release it, they filed a legal injunction that prevented Black Flag from releasing ''any'' material on another label for several years. This all but killed the band's chances of making it big.
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* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Damaged'' was going to be released nationwide, under an MCA imprint. But the label would have lost money on the record, so they not only wouldn't release it, they filed a legal injunction that prevented Black Flag from releasing ''any'' material on another label for several years. This all but killed the band's chances of making it big.
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* TakeThat: "You Bet We've Got Something Personal Against You!" was a blatant one against Keith Morris after he'd left the band.
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* TakeThat: "You Bet We've Got Something Personal Against You!" was a blatant one against Keith Morris after he'd left the band. band.
** When Ron Reyes was fired, he was credited as "Chavo Pederast" on Jealous Again and Everything Went Black.
** When Ron Reyes was fired, he was credited as "Chavo Pederast" on Jealous Again and Everything Went Black.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: The narrator of "Police Story" is beaten "across my head with a billy club", arrested, fined, and is looking at a potential sentence to jail...for ''flipping off a group of policemen and yelling at them to go "get fucked"''.
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* DisproportionateRetribution: The narrator of "Police Story" is beaten "across my the head with a billy club", arrested, fined, and is looking at a potential sentence to jail...for ''flipping flipping off a group of policemen and subsequently yelling at them to go "get fucked"''."go get fucked".
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* DisproportionateRetribution: The narrator of "Police Story" is beaten "across my head with a billy club", arrested, fined, and is looking at a potential sentence to jail...for ''flipping off a group of policemen and yelling at them to go "get fucked"''.
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*CarefulWithThatAxe: A lot of their songs their songs have this, most notably the last chorus of "My War".
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* MinisculeRocking: This ''is'' Punk Rock, after all. ''The First Four Years'' packs 16 songs into a brisk '''24:40'''.
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-->"This pain in my heart\\
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It just means I'm not very
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* GreenEyedMonster: "Jealous Again"
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* WouldntHitAGirl: From "Jealous Again":
-->"No I won't push you around\\
Because if I do the cops would grab me for doin' it"
-->"No I won't push you around\\
Because if I do the cops would grab me for doin' it"
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* PromotedFanboy - When the band was performing at a bar, an audience member requested that they play "Clocked In". The band suggested that he sing it himself. He did, and he was good. The current vocalist was looking to switch to guitar to avoid damaging his voice, so the band hired the fan, Music/HenryRollins, as their official vocalist.
** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book Get In The Van.
* ProtestSong - Well, they ''are'' a punk band.
** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book Get In The Van.
* ProtestSong - Well, they ''are'' a punk band.
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** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book Get In The Van.
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* EpicRocking - "Nothing Left Inside", "Scream" and "Three Nights" from My War are all about 6 minutes in length. "Armageddon Man" from Family Man clocks at 9 minutes. "Your Last Affront" and the title song of The Process of Weeding Out are both just under 10 minutes.
* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Damaged'' was going to be released nationwide, under an MCA imprint. But the label would have lost money on the record, so they not only wouldn't release it, they filed a legal injunction that prevented Black Flag from releasing ''any'' material on another label for several years. This all but killed the band's chances of making it big.
* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Damaged'' was going to be released nationwide, under an MCA imprint. But the label would have lost money on the record, so they not only wouldn't release it, they filed a legal injunction that prevented Black Flag from releasing ''any'' material on another label for several years. This all but killed the band's chances of making it big.
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* EpicRocking - "Nothing Left Inside", "Scream" and "Three Nights" from My War ''My War'' are all about 6 minutes in length. "Armageddon Man" from Family Man ''Family Man'' clocks at 9 minutes. "Your Last Affront" and the title song of The ''The Process of Weeding Out Out'' are both just under 10 minutes.
* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Damaged'' was going to be released nationwide, under an MCA imprint. But the label would have lost money on the record, so they not only wouldn't release it, they filed a legal injunction that prevented Black Flag from releasing ''any'' material on another label for several years. This all but killed the band's chances of making it big.minutes.
* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Damaged'' was going to be released nationwide, under an MCA imprint. But the label would have lost money on the record, so they not only wouldn't release it, they filed a legal injunction that prevented Black Flag from releasing ''any'' material on another label for several years. This all but killed the band's chances of making it big.
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** And AGAIN on the redo of the song Henry did for the West Memphis 3 record. Only Monday Night Football survived that one!
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** And AGAIN on the redo of the song Henry did for the West Memphis 3 record. Only Monday ''Monday Night Football Football'' survived that one!
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* UnintentionalPeriodPiece: ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''Series/MondayNightFootball'' are the only shows mentioned in "TV Party" that are still on the air.
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* HistoryMarchesOn: ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''Series/MondayNightFootball'' are the only shows mentioned in "TV Party" that are still on the air.
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!!! "Trope party tonight! Trope party tonight!":
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* DarkerAndEdgier - Ginn said that after Rollins joined, "We couldn't do songs with a sense of humour anymore [[hottip:*:he was talking about "TV Party" specifically]]; he got into the [[BuffySpeak serious way-out poet thing]]."
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* DarkerAndEdgier - Ginn said that after Rollins joined, "We couldn't do songs with a sense of humour anymore [[hottip:*:he [[note]]he was talking about "TV Party" specifically]]; specifically[[/note]]; he got into the [[BuffySpeak serious way-out poet thing]]."
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Black Flag forged a unique sound early on that mixed the raw simplicity of the Ramones with atonal guitar solos and frequent tempo shifts. The band was also known for the intense and evocative lyrics found in their songs, most of which were penned by Ginn. Like other punk bands of this era, Black Flag gave voice to an anti-authoritarian, non-conformist message, featuring songs punctuated with descriptions of isolation, neurosis, poverty, and paranoia, themes that would be explored further when HenryRollins joined the group as lead singer in 1981. Most of the band's material was released on Ginn's independent label, SST Records.
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Black Flag forged a unique sound early on that mixed the raw simplicity of the Ramones with atonal guitar solos and frequent tempo shifts. The band was also known for the intense and evocative lyrics found in their songs, most of which were penned by Ginn. Like other punk bands of this era, Black Flag gave voice to an anti-authoritarian, non-conformist message, featuring songs punctuated with descriptions of isolation, neurosis, poverty, and paranoia, themes that would be explored further when HenryRollins Music/HenryRollins joined the group as lead singer in 1981. Most of the band's material was released on Ginn's independent label, SST Records.
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!!Tropes that apply to Black Flag:
* AscendedFanboy - When the band was performing at a bar, an audience member requested that they play "Clocked In". The band suggested that he sing it himself. He did, and he was good. The current vocalist was looking to switch to guitar to avoid damaging his voice, so the band hired the fan, Music/HenryRollins, as their official vocalist.
** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book Get In The Van.
* AscendedFanboy - When the band was performing at a bar, an audience member requested that they play "Clocked In". The band suggested that he sing it himself. He did, and he was good. The current vocalist was looking to switch to guitar to avoid damaging his voice, so the band hired the fan, Music/HenryRollins, as their official vocalist.
** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book Get In The Van.
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* TheCoverChangesTheMeaning: They ''completely'' rewrote "Louie Louie" into an AntiLoveSong:
-->"This pain in my heart\\
It just means I'm not very smart\\
Who needs love when you've got a gun?\\
Who needs love to have any fun?"
-->"This pain in my heart\\
It just means I'm not very smart\\
Who needs love when you've got a gun?\\
Who needs love to have any fun?"
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* [=Jerkass=]- Rollins once said to Ginn "Why don't we make a record that was like the last one so people won't always be trying to catch up with what we're doing?". As revenge, Ginn buried his vocals in the mix of their last album ''In My Head''.
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* [=Jerkass=]- IntercourseWithYou: "Slip It In," "Loose Nut," "Annihilate This Week"
* {{Jerkass}}: Rollins once said to Ginn "Why don't we make a record that was like the last one so people won't always be trying to catch up with what we're doing?". As revenge, Ginn buried his vocals in the mix of their last album ''In MyHead''.Head''.
* UsefulNotes/LosAngeles
* PromotedFanboy - When the band was performing at a bar, an audience member requested that they play "Clocked In". The band suggested that he sing it himself. He did, and he was good. The current vocalist was looking to switch to guitar to avoid damaging his voice, so the band hired the fan, Music/HenryRollins, as their official vocalist.
** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book Get In The Van.
* {{Jerkass}}: Rollins once said to Ginn "Why don't we make a record that was like the last one so people won't always be trying to catch up with what we're doing?". As revenge, Ginn buried his vocals in the mix of their last album ''In My
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* PromotedFanboy - When the band was performing at a bar, an audience member requested that they play "Clocked In". The band suggested that he sing it himself. He did, and he was good. The current vocalist was looking to switch to guitar to avoid damaging his voice, so the band hired the fan, Music/HenryRollins, as their official vocalist.
** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book Get In The Van.
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* JerkAss - Rollins once said to Ginn "Why don't we make a record that was like the last one so people won't always be trying to catch up with what we're doing?". As revenge, Ginn buried his vocals in the mix of their last album ''In My Head''.
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* JerkAss - HistoryMarchesOn: ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' and ''Series/MondayNightFootball'' are the only shows mentioned in "TV Party" that are still on the air.
* [=Jerkass=]- Rollins once said to Ginn "Why don't we make a record that was like the last one so people won't always be trying to catch up with what we're doing?". As revenge, Ginn buried his vocals in the mix of their last album ''In My Head''.
* [=Jerkass=]- Rollins once said to Ginn "Why don't we make a record that was like the last one so people won't always be trying to catch up with what we're doing?". As revenge, Ginn buried his vocals in the mix of their last album ''In My Head''.
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** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book '''Get In The Van'''
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** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. this. He talks about it in full in his book '''Get Get In The Van'''Van.
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** Not quite as "face out of the crowd" as it seems. Rollins had established a friendship with the band prior to this. He talks about it in full in his book '''Get In The Van'''
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* SignatureSong - "Rise Above".
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* ExecutiveMeddling: ''Damaged'' was going to be released nationwide, under an MCA imprint. But the label would have lost money on the record, so they not only wouldn't release it, they filed a legal injunction that prevented Black Flag from releasing ''any'' material on another label for several years. This all but killed the band's chances of making it big.
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* SelfDeprecation - Henry Rollins has said numerous times he thought Black Flag's best work was before he joined the band.
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* SelfDeprecation - Henry Rollins has said numerous times he thought Black Flag's best work was before he joined the band. Ginn has stated the same, but he's more of a dick about it.
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* StageNames - Two notable examples: their first bass player used the name "Chuck Dukowski" as a protest against the then-prevalent anti-Polish prejudice (and "Polish jokes"), and after several falling outs Ron Reyes was credited as "Chavo Pederast" for the ''Jealous Again'' EP, to which he retaliated by hitting his replacement Dez Cadena with a brick and smashing the windshield of the band's touring van.
** HenryRollins changed his name upon joining the band (his last name is actually Garfield), which he claims was to avoid trouble with the police.
** HenryRollins changed his name upon joining the band (his last name is actually Garfield), which he claims was to avoid trouble with the police.
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* StageNames - Two notable examples: their first bass player used the name "Chuck Dukowski" as a protest against the then-prevalent anti-Polish prejudice (and "Polish jokes"), and after several falling outs Ron Reyes was credited as "Chavo Pederast" for the ''Jealous Again'' EP, to which he retaliated by hitting his replacement Dez Cadena with a brick and smashing the windshield of the band's touring van.
** HenryRollinsvan. Rollins changed his name upon joining the band (his last name is actually Garfield), which he claims was to avoid trouble with the police.
** HenryRollins
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* EpicRocking - "Nothing Left Inside", "Scream" and "Three Nights".
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* EpicRocking - "Nothing Left Inside", "Scream" and "Three Nights".Nights" from My War are all about 6 minutes in length. "Armageddon Man" from Family Man clocks at 9 minutes. "Your Last Affront" and the title song of The Process of Weeding Out are both just under 10 minutes.
* GenreShift: Starting with side B of My War, they started getting slower and more experimental.
* GenreShift: Starting with side B of My War, they started getting slower and more experimental.
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Over the course of the 1980s, Black Flag's sound, as well as their notoriety, evolved in ways that alienated much of their early punk audience. As well as being central to the creation of hardcore, they were part of the first wave of American West Coast punk rock and are considered a key influence on the punk subculture. Along with being among the earliest punk rock groups to incorporate elements and the influence of heavy metal melodies and rhythm (particularly in their later records), there were often overt freestyles, free jazz, breakbeat and contemporary classical elements in their sound, especially in Ginn's guitar playing, and the band interspersed records and performances with instrumentals throughout their career. They also played longer, slower, and more complex songs at a time when many bands in their milieu stuck to a raw, fast, three-chord format. As a result, their extensive discography is more stylistically varied than many of their punk rock contemporaries.
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Over the course of the 1980s, Black Flag's sound, as well as their notoriety, evolved in ways that alienated much of their early punk audience. As well as being central to the creation of hardcore, they were part of the first wave of American West Coast punk rock and are considered a key influence on the punk subculture. Along with being among the earliest punk rock groups to incorporate elements and the influence of heavy metal melodies and rhythm (particularly in their later records), there were often overt freestyles, free jazz, breakbeat and contemporary classical elements in their sound, especially in Ginn's guitar playing, and the band interspersed records and performances with instrumentals throughout their career. They also played longer, slower, and more complex songs at a time when many bands in their milieu stuck to a raw, fast, three-chord format. As a result, their extensive discography is more stylistically varied than many of their punk rock contemporaries.
contemporaries. Their later, sludgier, metal-influenced material in particular was cited as an influence by {{Grunge}} bands.
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** HenryRollins changed his name upon joining the band (his last name is actually Garfield), which he claims was to avoid trouble with the police.