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* [[spoiler:[[PokemonBlackAndWhite Geetis, Geetis, Geetis...]] why, oh why, did you have to base your parenting off of [[{{Disgaea3}} Super Hero Aurum?]] You neglected your own boy, left him amongst abused Pokemon to fuck up his perception of the world, raised him to believe Pokemon should be separated from humans, and gave him control over a group that only knew of his ideal. I don't blame you for leaving the kid amongst those Pokemon - [[PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventures Prof. Rowan once went that route for his studies]], [[PokemonSpecial and Sapphire chose to live amongst them of her own will]] - but what I DO blame you for is most of the rest. But that you'd abandon your kid after his failure to perform, call him a blasphemy upon mankind for the very way ''you'' raised him, and basically go against everything you ever taught him just for self-profit? Yeah... you can rot in jail for the rest of your life, Hell is too good for you. The only alternative would be to go west... amongst the human creatures you find [[PokemonColosseum there]], you won't last the week.]]
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* [[spoiler:[[PokemonBlackAndWhite Geetis, Geetis, Geetis...Ghetsis, Ghetsis, Ghetsis...]] why, oh why, did you have to base your parenting off of [[{{Disgaea3}} Super Hero Aurum?]] You neglected your own boy, left him amongst abused Pokemon to fuck up his perception of the world, raised him to believe Pokemon should be separated from humans, and gave him control over a group that only knew of his ideal. I don't blame you for leaving the kid amongst those Pokemon - [[PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventures [[PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure Prof. Rowan once went that route for his studies]], [[PokemonSpecial and Sapphire chose to live amongst them of her own will]] - but what I DO blame you for is most of the rest. But that you'd abandon your kid after his failure to perform, call him a blasphemy upon mankind for the very way ''you'' raised him, and basically go against everything you ever taught him just for self-profit? Yeah... you can rot in jail for the rest of your life, Hell is too good for you. The only alternative would be to go west... amongst the human creatures you find [[PokemonColosseum there]], you won't last the week.]]
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* [=LeChuck=] crosses it in a big way at the end of episode 4 of ''Tales of MonkeyIsland'', when [[spoiler:he stabs Guybrush in the stomach, killing him.]]
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* [=LeChuck=] [[spoiler: [=LeChuck=]]] crosses it in a big way at the end of episode 4 of ''Tales of MonkeyIsland'', when [[spoiler:he stabs Guybrush in the stomach, killing him.]]]]
** What makes this MoralEventHorizon even worse? [[spoiler: He spent four episodes of the series, lying that he was reformed, then, when he got the chance, murdered the person who was starting to consider him a comrade]].
** What makes this MoralEventHorizon even worse? [[spoiler: He spent four episodes of the series, lying that he was reformed, then, when he got the chance, murdered the person who was starting to consider him a comrade]].
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* [[YourMilageMayVary Say what you will]], but Adam Malkovich in ''MetroidOtherM'' crosses the line. He was already slipping beforehand (The infamous [[FanNickname hell run]] comes to mind, and his... umm... [[{{Understatement}} questionable]] relationship with Samus), but this is ridiculous. Adam, with no provocation nor hesitation, literally SHOOTS Samus in the back, leaving her severely injured and her suit deactivated, with a [[DemonicSpider health-sucking Metroid]] in the same room. [[WallBanger Adam didn't even shoot the Metroid, instead shooting Samus FIRST for no explainable reason]], [[WhatAnIdiot and then waiting until the Metroid was just about to chow down and THEN SHOOT IT]]. Samus even asks, "why did you shoot me?", but Adam doesn't even give a reason for it.
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** He did it so that she wouldn't be able to stop him from performing his ''own'' suicidal mission.
*** Yeah, but I don't think any sane man would do that by pointless violence against one of his teammates.
*** You don't get to see this for a LONG time, but Adam had justifiable reasons. The Metroid Adam killed was a mere larva, and thus hadn't developed the thermal immunity the brood in Sector Zero possessed. Adam overheard Samus' intention of destroying the Metroids, and was forced by the Deleter into taking care of the matter personally rather than discussing the issue by radio. He knew the Metroids were iceproof (but was still against the use of the Power Bomb due to potential humans being onboard) and that Ridley was still alive as well - he wanted to pay the lowest possible price to keep the Bottle Ship from becoming another Zebes, and that price turned out to be his life. His methods may have been deplorable, but he literally had no choice.
**** And he had to shoot her to do this? He couldn't have stopped her verbally and expect her to follow his orders to the letter like she's been doing the entire game?
**** No, he couldn't. Even in her wounded state, and after having the situation explained to her, Samus still tried to follow him through the door.
***** And then he stopped her verbally and she followed her orders just like she had been doing the entire game.
*** Yeah, but I don't think any sane man would do that by pointless violence against one of his teammates.
*** You don't get to see this for a LONG time, but Adam had justifiable reasons. The Metroid Adam killed was a mere larva, and thus hadn't developed the thermal immunity the brood in Sector Zero possessed. Adam overheard Samus' intention of destroying the Metroids, and was forced by the Deleter into taking care of the matter personally rather than discussing the issue by radio. He knew the Metroids were iceproof (but was still against the use of the Power Bomb due to potential humans being onboard) and that Ridley was still alive as well - he wanted to pay the lowest possible price to keep the Bottle Ship from becoming another Zebes, and that price turned out to be his life. His methods may have been deplorable, but he literally had no choice.
**** And he had to shoot her to do this? He couldn't have stopped her verbally and expect her to follow his orders to the letter like she's been doing the entire game?
**** No, he couldn't. Even in her wounded state, and after having the situation explained to her, Samus still tried to follow him through the door.
***** And then he stopped her verbally and she followed her orders just like she had been doing the entire game.
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**** No, he couldn't. Even in her wounded state, and after having the situation explained to her, Samus still tried to follow him through the door.
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* [[WorldOfWarcraft Sylvanas Windrunner]] has [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed the line so many times that she plays double-dutch with it]], and despite some Warcraft fans [[DracoInLeatherPants remaining loyal to her and claiming she hasn't done anything wrong]] because [[WellIntentionedExtremist "it's for the good of her 'people'"]], many more have found her to be irredeemably evil. She has committed so many atrocities that it would actually be much easier to list what she hasn't done. She has: killed civilians, killed children, experimented on children with biological weapons, used biological weapons on civilian towns, committed genocide, disobeyed direct orders, [[YouWillBeAssimilated reanimated the men that she has killed into more Forsaken]], kidnapped, taken hostages, invaded foreign countries, framed a Foraken man who may or may not have committed a crime and then tested biological weapons against him, mind-controlled a Death Knight (essentially a volunteer Horde warrior), used propaganda, and set herself up as the object of cult worship. If Sylvanas sees a line to be crossed, she gleefully cartwheels over it.
* [[SaintsRow The Boss]] AKA the player character crosses this about, lets say, a dozen or so times during the course of the game. Burying an enemy alive? Did it. Permanently disfiguring someone's friend just to show he could? Done that too. Gave a evil overlord speech about how this is his/her city and they can do whatever they want with it to a group of loyal minions? With gusto. The only thing that prevents the boss from easily being the most evil character in game history is his tendency to do these atrocities to people who probably deserve it.
* [[SaintsRow The Boss]] AKA the player character crosses this about, lets say, a dozen or so times during the course of the game. Burying an enemy alive? Did it. Permanently disfiguring someone's friend just to show he could? Done that too. Gave a evil overlord speech about how this is his/her city and they can do whatever they want with it to a group of loyal minions? With gusto. The only thing that prevents the boss from easily being the most evil character in game history is his tendency to do these atrocities to people who probably deserve it.
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* [[WorldOfWarcraft Sylvanas Windrunner]] has [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed the line so many times that she plays double-dutch with it]], and despite some Warcraft fans [[DracoInLeatherPants remaining loyal to her and claiming she hasn't done anything wrong]] because [[WellIntentionedExtremist "it's for the good of her 'people'"]], many more have found her to be irredeemably evil. She has committed so many atrocities that it would actually be much easier to list what she hasn't done. She has: killed civilians, killed children, experimented on children with biological weapons, used biological weapons on civilian towns, committed genocide, disobeyed direct orders, [[YouWillBeAssimilated reanimated the men that she has killed into more Forsaken]], kidnapped, taken hostages, invaded foreign countries, framed a Foraken man who may or may not have committed a crime and then tested biological weapons against him, mind-controlled a Death Knight (essentially a volunteer Horde warrior), used propaganda, and set herself up as the object of cult worship. If Sylvanas sees a line to be crossed, she gleefully cartwheels over it.
* [[SaintsRow The Boss]] AKA the player character crosses this about, lets say, a dozen or so times during the course of the game. Burying an enemy alive? Did it. Permanently disfiguring someone's friend just to show he could? Done that too. Gave a evil overlord speech about how this is his/her city and they can do whatever they want with it to a group of loyal minions? With gusto. The only thing that prevents the boss from easily being the most evil character in game history is his tendency to do these atrocities to people who probably deserveit.
* [[SaintsRow The Boss]] AKA the player character crosses this about, lets say, a dozen or so times during the course of the game. Burying an enemy alive? Did it. Permanently disfiguring someone's friend just to show he could? Done that too. Gave a evil overlord speech about how this is his/her city and they can do whatever they want with it to a group of loyal minions? With gusto. The only thing that prevents the boss from easily being the most evil character in game history is his tendency to do these atrocities to people who probably deserve
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* [[WorldOfWarcraft Sylvanas Windrunner]] has [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed the line so many times that she plays double-dutch with it]], and despite some Warcraft fans [[DracoInLeatherPants remaining loyal to her and claiming she hasn't done anything wrong]] because [[WellIntentionedExtremist "it's for the good of her 'people'"]], many more have found her to be irredeemably evil. She has committed so many atrocities that it would actually be much easier to list what she hasn't done. She has: killed civilians, killed children, experimented on children with biological weapons, used biological weapons on civilian towns, committed genocide, disobeyed direct orders, [[YouWillBeAssimilated reanimated the men that she has killed into more Forsaken]], kidnapped, taken hostages, invaded foreign countries, framed a Foraken man who may or may not have committed a crime and then tested biological weapons against him, mind-controlled a Death Knight (essentially a volunteer Horde warrior), used propaganda, and set herself up as the object of cult worship. If Sylvanas sees a line to be crossed, she gleefully cartwheels over it.
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* [[WorldOfWarcraft Sylvanas Windrunner]] has [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed the line so many times that she plays double-dutch with it]], and despite some Warcraft fans [[DracoInLeatherPants remaining loyal to her and claiming she hasn't done anything wrong]] because [[WellIntentionedExtremist "it's for the good of her 'people'"]], many more have found her to be irredeemably evil. She has committed so many atrocities that it would actually be much easier to list what she hasn't done. She has: killed civilians, killed children, experimented on children with biological weapons, used biological weapons on civilian towns, committed genocide, disobeyed direct orders, [[YouWillBeAssimilated reanimated the men that she has killed into more Forsaken]], kidnapped, taken hostages, invaded foreign countries, framed a Foraken man who may or may not have committed a crime and then tested biological weapons against him, mind-controlled a Death Knight (essentially a volunteer Horde warrior), used propaganda, and set herself up as the object of cult worship. If Sylvanas sees a line to be crossed, she gleefully cartwheels over it.it.
*[[SaintsRow The Boss]] AKA the player character crosses this about, lets say, a dozen or so times during the course of the game. Burying an enemy alive? Did it. Permanently disfiguring someone's friend just to show he could? Done that too. Gave a evil overlord speech about how this is his/her city and they can do whatever they want with it to a group of loyal minions? With gusto. The only thing that prevents the boss from easily being the most evil character in game history is his tendency to do these atrocities to people who probably deserve it.
*[[SaintsRow The Boss]] AKA the player character crosses this about, lets say, a dozen or so times during the course of the game. Burying an enemy alive? Did it. Permanently disfiguring someone's friend just to show he could? Done that too. Gave a evil overlord speech about how this is his/her city and they can do whatever they want with it to a group of loyal minions? With gusto. The only thing that prevents the boss from easily being the most evil character in game history is his tendency to do these atrocities to people who probably deserve it.
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* Right in the first level of ''{{Singularity}}'', you read some notes and hear recordings that suggest that the BigBad had done some highly unethical things in the 50s. But all of that is off screen and only (strongly) implied. When you meet him at the end of the level, [[spoiler:your partner demands to be treated according to the Geneva convention and to see someone from the United States embassy. The BigBad coldly [[PlayerPunch shoots him]] [[KilledMidSentence in the face]]]].
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* Right in the first level of ''{{Singularity}}'', you read some notes and hear recordings that suggest that the BigBad had done some highly unethical things in the 50s. But all of that is off screen and only (strongly) implied. When you meet him at the end of the level, [[spoiler:your partner demands to be treated according to the Geneva convention and to see someone from the United States embassy. The BigBad coldly [[PlayerPunch shoots him]] [[KilledMidSentence in the face]]]].face]]]].
* [[WorldOfWarcraft Sylvanas Windrunner]] has [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed the line so many times that she plays double-dutch with it]], and despite some Warcraft fans [[DracoInLeatherPants remaining loyal to her and claiming she hasn't done anything wrong]] because [[WellIntentionedExtremist "it's for the good of her 'people'"]], many more have found her to be irredeemably evil. She has committed so many atrocities that it would actually be much easier to list what she hasn't done. She has: killed civilians, killed children, experimented on children with biological weapons, used biological weapons on civilian towns, committed genocide, disobeyed direct orders, [[YouWillBeAssimilated reanimated the men that she has killed into more Forsaken]], kidnapped, taken hostages, invaded foreign countries, framed a Foraken man who may or may not have committed a crime and then tested biological weapons against him, mind-controlled a Death Knight (essentially a volunteer Horde warrior), used propaganda, and set herself up as the object of cult worship. If Sylvanas sees a line to be crossed, she gleefully cartwheels over it.
* [[WorldOfWarcraft Sylvanas Windrunner]] has [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed the line so many times that she plays double-dutch with it]], and despite some Warcraft fans [[DracoInLeatherPants remaining loyal to her and claiming she hasn't done anything wrong]] because [[WellIntentionedExtremist "it's for the good of her 'people'"]], many more have found her to be irredeemably evil. She has committed so many atrocities that it would actually be much easier to list what she hasn't done. She has: killed civilians, killed children, experimented on children with biological weapons, used biological weapons on civilian towns, committed genocide, disobeyed direct orders, [[YouWillBeAssimilated reanimated the men that she has killed into more Forsaken]], kidnapped, taken hostages, invaded foreign countries, framed a Foraken man who may or may not have committed a crime and then tested biological weapons against him, mind-controlled a Death Knight (essentially a volunteer Horde warrior), used propaganda, and set herself up as the object of cult worship. If Sylvanas sees a line to be crossed, she gleefully cartwheels over it.
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** In the embellished historical account of Morrowind's war with the Empire, we get a plethora of bastards merrily hopping across the {=MEH=}. The Akaviri potentate and his son gleefully plot the absolute destruction of the Emperor and his minions, callously catching innocents in their web of intrigue, while they are ''at peace'' with the Empire. A deranged Khajiit lord sets Molag Bal, one of the most sinister and cruel Daedra Lords, on a helpless town because a '''''bard''''' from there had told him a depressing tale. Later on, to get revenge for Lord Vivec of Morrowind blacklisting him for incompetence, a mercenary manipulates a poor bereaved girl who had been trained in witchcraft into summoning Mehrunes Dagon to destroy the capital of Morrowind. The mad Empress has her own son assassinated, and the Emperor (after being tricked into believing that his concubine was an assassin), casually remarks to her that he's going to free her, but he thinks he'll have her innocent little sister brought in as her replacement.
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** In the embellished historical account of Morrowind's war with the Empire, we get a plethora of bastards merrily hopping across the {=MEH=}.[=MEH=]. The Akaviri potentate and his son gleefully plot the absolute destruction of the Emperor and his minions, callously catching innocents in their web of intrigue, while they are ''at peace'' with the Empire. A deranged Khajiit lord sets Molag Bal, one of the most sinister and cruel Daedra Lords, on a helpless town because a '''''bard''''' from there had told him a depressing tale. Later on, to get revenge for Lord Vivec of Morrowind blacklisting him for incompetence, a mercenary manipulates a poor bereaved girl who had been trained in witchcraft into summoning Mehrunes Dagon to destroy the capital of Morrowind. The mad Empress has her own son assassinated, and the Emperor (after being tricked into believing that his concubine was an assassin), casually remarks to her that he's going to free her, but he thinks he'll have her innocent little sister brought in as her replacement.
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* Harlan Wade from F.E.A.R. indisputably crosses the [=MEH=] when he [[spoiler:sends his pre-teen daughter into the lab of the company that he works for so that they can conduct experiments on her psychic abilities. Later on, Wade decides to place Alma in a permanent coma and have her impregnated with the hope of creating first a super-soldier, then a psychic commander of a battalion of mindless soldiers. Finally, he just has the plug pulled on her]]. The [[BigBad Big Bad's]] murderous rage that leaves dozens or hundreds of civilians dead is a bit [[FreudianExcuse understandable]] after you learn all of this.
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* Harlan Wade from F.E.A.R. indisputably crosses the [=MEH=] when he [[spoiler:sends his pre-teen daughter into the lab of the company that he works for so that they can conduct experiments on her psychic abilities. Later on, Wade decides to place Alma in a permanent coma and have her impregnated with the hope of creating first a super-soldier, then a psychic commander of a battalion of mindless soldiers. Finally, he just has the plug pulled on her]]. The [[BigBad Big Bad's]] murderous rage that leaves dozens or hundreds of civilians dead is a bit [[FreudianExcuse understandable]] after you learn all of this.this.
* Right in the first level of ''{{Singularity}}'', you read some notes and hear recordings that suggest that the BigBad had done some highly unethical things in the 50s. But all of that is off screen and only (strongly) implied. When you meet him at the end of the level, [[spoiler:your partner demands to be treated according to the Geneva convention and to see someone from the United States embassy. The BigBad coldly [[PlayerPunch shoots him]] [[KilledMidSentence in the face]]]].
* Right in the first level of ''{{Singularity}}'', you read some notes and hear recordings that suggest that the BigBad had done some highly unethical things in the 50s. But all of that is off screen and only (strongly) implied. When you meet him at the end of the level, [[spoiler:your partner demands to be treated according to the Geneva convention and to see someone from the United States embassy. The BigBad coldly [[PlayerPunch shoots him]] [[KilledMidSentence in the face]]]].
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* Harlan Wade from F.E.A.R. indisputably crosses the {=MEH=} when he [[spoiler:sends his pre-teen daughter into the lab of the company that he works for so that they can conduct experiments on her psychic abilities. Later on, Wade decides to place Alma in a permanent coma and have her impregnated with the hope of creating first a super-soldier, then a psychic commander of a battalion of mindless soldiers. Finally, he just has the plug pulled on her]]. The [[BigBad Big Bad's]] murderous rage that leaves dozens or hundreds of civilians dead is a bit [[FreudianExcuse understandable]] after you learn all of this.
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* Harlan Wade from F.E.A.R. indisputably crosses the {=MEH=} [=MEH=] when he [[spoiler:sends his pre-teen daughter into the lab of the company that he works for so that they can conduct experiments on her psychic abilities. Later on, Wade decides to place Alma in a permanent coma and have her impregnated with the hope of creating first a super-soldier, then a psychic commander of a battalion of mindless soldiers. Finally, he just has the plug pulled on her]]. The [[BigBad Big Bad's]] murderous rage that leaves dozens or hundreds of civilians dead is a bit [[FreudianExcuse understandable]] after you learn all of this.
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* The space combat simulator ''X-Wing: Alliance'' had a richer plot and cast of characters than its predecessors, particularly a subplot involving the protagonist Ace Azzameen's family. When Ace is new to piloting for his father Tomaas' shipping company, he helps out with a covert delivery of bacta to the wounded soldiers from Hoth, only for the Empire to show up and destroy the freighter that Ace's father and eldest brother were on. Their uncle Anton helps them escape to the Rebel Alliance. Near the end of the game, Anton gives them information that indicates that Tomaas and Galin are alive on an Imperial prison station. When the Azzameen children go to rescue them, Imperial ships arrive to capture them. They learn that their dear Uncle Anton not only set them up, but told the Empire about Tomaas' bacta run way back when. To recap, the man sold his own brother and niece and nephews out to the Empire, all because he figured Tomaas' dealings with rebels would ruin their business.
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* The space combat simulator ''X-Wing: Alliance'' had a richer plot and cast of characters than its predecessors, particularly a subplot involving the protagonist Ace Azzameen's family. When Ace is new to piloting for his father Tomaas' shipping company, he helps out with a covert delivery of bacta to the wounded soldiers from Hoth, only for the Empire to show up and destroy the freighter that Ace's father and eldest brother were on. Their uncle Anton helps them escape to the Rebel Alliance. Near the end of the game, Anton gives them information that indicates that Tomaas and Galin are alive on an Imperial prison station. When the Azzameen children go to rescue them, Imperial ships arrive to capture them. They learn that their dear Uncle Anton not only set them up, but told the Empire about Tomaas' bacta run way back when. To recap, the man sold his own brother and niece and nephews out to the Empire, all because he figured Tomaas' dealings with rebels would ruin their business.business.
* Harlan Wade from F.E.A.R. indisputably crosses the {=MEH=} when he [[spoiler:sends his pre-teen daughter into the lab of the company that he works for so that they can conduct experiments on her psychic abilities. Later on, Wade decides to place Alma in a permanent coma and have her impregnated with the hope of creating first a super-soldier, then a psychic commander of a battalion of mindless soldiers. Finally, he just has the plug pulled on her]]. The [[BigBad Big Bad's]] murderous rage that leaves dozens or hundreds of civilians dead is a bit [[FreudianExcuse understandable]] after you learn all of this.
* Harlan Wade from F.E.A.R. indisputably crosses the {=MEH=} when he [[spoiler:sends his pre-teen daughter into the lab of the company that he works for so that they can conduct experiments on her psychic abilities. Later on, Wade decides to place Alma in a permanent coma and have her impregnated with the hope of creating first a super-soldier, then a psychic commander of a battalion of mindless soldiers. Finally, he just has the plug pulled on her]]. The [[BigBad Big Bad's]] murderous rage that leaves dozens or hundreds of civilians dead is a bit [[FreudianExcuse understandable]] after you learn all of this.
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* Ansem ([[spoiler: aka Xehanort's Heartless]]) definitely crossed this line in the original ''KingdomHearts'' when it was revealed that he experimented on ''living people'' just ForScience. And it was ''outright stated'' that the experiments caused their hearts to collapse! Keep in mind that in this series, hearts are basically a CaptainErsatz for souls. So essentially, his experiments caused people's ''frickin' souls'' to collapse!
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* Ansem ([[spoiler: aka Xehanort's Heartless]]) definitely crossed this line in the original ''KingdomHearts'' when it was revealed that he experimented on ''living people'' just ForScience. And it was ''outright stated'' that the experiments caused their hearts to collapse! Keep in mind that in this series, hearts are basically a CaptainErsatz for souls. So essentially, his experiments caused people's ''frickin' souls'' to collapse!collapse!
* The space combat simulator ''X-Wing: Alliance'' had a richer plot and cast of characters than its predecessors, particularly a subplot involving the protagonist Ace Azzameen's family. When Ace is new to piloting for his father Tomaas' shipping company, he helps out with a covert delivery of bacta to the wounded soldiers from Hoth, only for the Empire to show up and destroy the freighter that Ace's father and eldest brother were on. Their uncle Anton helps them escape to the Rebel Alliance. Near the end of the game, Anton gives them information that indicates that Tomaas and Galin are alive on an Imperial prison station. When the Azzameen children go to rescue them, Imperial ships arrive to capture them. They learn that their dear Uncle Anton not only set them up, but told the Empire about Tomaas' bacta run way back when. To recap, the man sold his own brother and niece and nephews out to the Empire, all because he figured Tomaas' dealings with rebels would ruin their business.
* The space combat simulator ''X-Wing: Alliance'' had a richer plot and cast of characters than its predecessors, particularly a subplot involving the protagonist Ace Azzameen's family. When Ace is new to piloting for his father Tomaas' shipping company, he helps out with a covert delivery of bacta to the wounded soldiers from Hoth, only for the Empire to show up and destroy the freighter that Ace's father and eldest brother were on. Their uncle Anton helps them escape to the Rebel Alliance. Near the end of the game, Anton gives them information that indicates that Tomaas and Galin are alive on an Imperial prison station. When the Azzameen children go to rescue them, Imperial ships arrive to capture them. They learn that their dear Uncle Anton not only set them up, but told the Empire about Tomaas' bacta run way back when. To recap, the man sold his own brother and niece and nephews out to the Empire, all because he figured Tomaas' dealings with rebels would ruin their business.
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** [[YourMileageMayVary This one's arguable]]. Not because Ellabeth was enacting revenge for being wronged, but because, before leaving the girl to her fate, takes pity on the poor thing, points her to the correct door, and tells her to ignore the other two and just leave. Her advice is disregarded.
** In the embellished historical account of Morrowind's war with the Empire, we get a plethora of bastards merrily hopping across the {=MEH=}. The Akaviri potentate and his son gleefully plot the absolute destruction of the Emperor and his minions, callously catching innocents in their web of intrigue, while they are ''at peace'' with the Empire. A deranged Khajiit lord sets Molag Bal, one of the most sinister and cruel Daedra Lords, on a helpless town because a '''''bard''''' from there had told him a depressing tale. Later on, to get revenge for Lord Vivec of Morrowind blacklisting him for incompetence, a mercenary manipulates a poor bereaved girl who had been trained in witchcraft into summoning Mehrunes Dagon to destroy the capital of Morrowind. The mad Empress has her own son assassinated, and the Emperor (after being tricked into believing that his concubine was an assassin), casually remarks to her that he's going to free her, but he thinks he'll have her innocent little sister brought in as her replacement.
* Outside of the literature within Morrowind, Lady Almalexia, one of the three mortal gods of the Morrowind Tribunal, goes insane with power and uses her reincarnated lover to carry out her increasingly unsettling orders, and finally sends him off to murder one of the other members of the Tribunal based on sketchy evidence. When the player arrives, they find Sotha Sil already dead, and Almalexia arrives to try to murder you before going on to take care of Vivec so that she will be the sole ruler of the Temple.
** In the embellished historical account of Morrowind's war with the Empire, we get a plethora of bastards merrily hopping across the {=MEH=}. The Akaviri potentate and his son gleefully plot the absolute destruction of the Emperor and his minions, callously catching innocents in their web of intrigue, while they are ''at peace'' with the Empire. A deranged Khajiit lord sets Molag Bal, one of the most sinister and cruel Daedra Lords, on a helpless town because a '''''bard''''' from there had told him a depressing tale. Later on, to get revenge for Lord Vivec of Morrowind blacklisting him for incompetence, a mercenary manipulates a poor bereaved girl who had been trained in witchcraft into summoning Mehrunes Dagon to destroy the capital of Morrowind. The mad Empress has her own son assassinated, and the Emperor (after being tricked into believing that his concubine was an assassin), casually remarks to her that he's going to free her, but he thinks he'll have her innocent little sister brought in as her replacement.
* Outside of the literature within Morrowind, Lady Almalexia, one of the three mortal gods of the Morrowind Tribunal, goes insane with power and uses her reincarnated lover to carry out her increasingly unsettling orders, and finally sends him off to murder one of the other members of the Tribunal based on sketchy evidence. When the player arrives, they find Sotha Sil already dead, and Almalexia arrives to try to murder you before going on to take care of Vivec so that she will be the sole ruler of the Temple.
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** The stories of Flemeth indicate she crossed the line into irredeemability when she started [[spoiler:[[BodySurf stealing her daughters' bodies to prolong her own life]]]].
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**Plus one in Black Ops, and how. During one of the vietnam levels, you hear a recording cementing the bad guys as complete, irredemable monsters, wherein one mentions the effectiveness of the evil phlebotinum Nova 6 on infants. And now I must scream.
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** Neltharion, later known as Deathwing, crosses the Moral Event Horizon when he tricks the other Dragon Aspects into giving much of their power to the Dragon Soul, and then turns on them and kills nearly all the blue dragonflight. The rest of the Black Dragonflight crosses it with him in the eyes of the Red Dragonflight in World of Warcraft: Cataclysm, and the player is tasked with eliminating them in the Twilight Highlands.
** Malygos crosses the Moral Event Horizon when the player, after defeating one of his minions, [[spoiler:finds a letter that reveals that he forced them to work for him under the threat of their family being killed]]. Like Deathwing, when Alexstraza learns of his plans, she sadly decides that he is beyond redemption, and decides to kill him to save Azeroth.
** Malygos crosses the Moral Event Horizon when the player, after defeating one of his minions, [[spoiler:finds a letter that reveals that he forced them to work for him under the threat of their family being killed]]. Like Deathwing, when Alexstraza learns of his plans, she sadly decides that he is beyond redemption, and decides to kill him to save Azeroth.
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** In Symphonia, Rodyle crosses the MoralEventHorizon when he floods a passageway full of escaping prisoners, killing them all, in order to prevent the heroes from reaching the Mana Cannon.
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* The [[{{Cult}} "Children of Tarrone"]] in the eighth mission of {{SWAT 4}}. Seems like your standard doomsday cult until you get to the basement and find [[spoiler:that they willingly [[CompleteMonster killed their children and tore up the concrete floor to bury them.]]]]
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* The [[{{Cult}} "Children of Tarrone"]] in the eighth mission of {{SWAT 4}}. Seems like your standard doomsday cult until you get to the basement and find [[spoiler:that they willingly [[CompleteMonster killed their children and tore up the concrete floor to bury them.]]]]]]]]
* Ansem ([[spoiler: aka Xehanort's Heartless]]) definitely crossed this line in the original ''KingdomHearts'' when it was revealed that he experimented on ''living people'' just ForScience. And it was ''outright stated'' that the experiments caused their hearts to collapse! Keep in mind that in this series, hearts are basically a CaptainErsatz for souls. So essentially, his experiments caused people's ''frickin' souls'' to collapse!
* Ansem ([[spoiler: aka Xehanort's Heartless]]) definitely crossed this line in the original ''KingdomHearts'' when it was revealed that he experimented on ''living people'' just ForScience. And it was ''outright stated'' that the experiments caused their hearts to collapse! Keep in mind that in this series, hearts are basically a CaptainErsatz for souls. So essentially, his experiments caused people's ''frickin' souls'' to collapse!
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** And Hojo. Where do we start with Hojo? Injecting alien cells into his unborn child? Murdering Professor Gast right in front of his wife and child, whom he then kidnaps for horrible experiments? Doing more horrific experiments on Vincent, Zack and Cloud? You might as well assume that he crossed the line right at very ''beginning'' of his career.
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** The stories of Flemeth indicate she crossed the line into irredeemability when she started [[spoiler:[[BodySurf stealing her daughters' bodies to prolong her own life]]]].
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Uh, it destroyed the Metroids, so yeah, it did amount to something. :/
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**** His "sacrifice" literally amounted to nothing though, so all the IDidWhatIHadToDo 's in the world don't stop him from skipping merrily over the horizon.
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** Let's not forget President Shinra ordering the destruction of an entire sector of Midgar just to get rid of some [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters terrorists]]
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** Let's not forget President Shinra ordering the destruction of an entire sector of Midgar just to get rid of some [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters terrorists]]terrorists]].
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* In ''DeadRising'', there is a rival photographer, who helps you learn to use the camera, and has photography contests with you, but in the last day, he ties up an innocent man, and was going to ''take a picture of the person "Crossing into zombiehood"'', by the way, if you don't get there at a specific time, you'll find out ''he is not kidding''.
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* In ''DeadRising'', there is a rival photographer, who helps you learn to use the camera, and has photography contests with you, but in the last day, he ties up an innocent man, and was going to ''take a picture of the person "Crossing into zombiehood"'', by zombiehood"''. By the way, if you don't get there at a specific time, you'll find out ''he is not kidding''.
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*** ''That'' [[CrossingTheLineTwice crossed the line twice]] due to being shamelessly absurd standard-issue MadScience. Something about threatening to [[spoiler:cook Mr. Pokeylope]] was so much more personally cruel. The MoralEventHorizon is weird like that.
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*** ''That'' [[CrossingTheLineTwice [[CrossesTheLineTwice crossed the line twice]] due to being shamelessly absurd standard-issue MadScience. Something about threatening to [[spoiler:cook Mr. Pokeylope]] was so much more personally cruel. The MoralEventHorizon is weird like that.
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* ''AceAttorney'''s Manfred Von Karma. [[spoiler: He killed Edgeworth's father because he tarnished his perfect record, adopted Edgeworth, trained him to be a prosecutor, then SET HIM UP TO BE CONVICTED OF MURDER. Not to mention he was the prosecutor who was TRYING TO PROVE HIM GUILTY.]] Hell, I think he's already passed into the realm of complete monster.
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* ''AceAttorney'''s Manfred Von Karma. [[spoiler: He killed Edgeworth's father because he tarnished his perfect record, adopted Edgeworth, trained him to be a prosecutor, then SET HIM UP TO BE CONVICTED OF MURDER. Not to mention he was the prosecutor who was TRYING TO PROVE HIM GUILTY.]] Hell, I think he's He's probably already passed into the realm of complete monster.[[CompleteMonster Complete Monsterdom]].
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* In ''SuikodenV'', the villains had toed the line between reasonable and malicious, up until they sent assassins to wipe out the beavers, for no reason out of a desire to remove all ethnic diversity from the kingdom, after that they were just plain evil.
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* In ''SuikodenV'', the villains had toed the line between reasonable and malicious, malicious up until they sent assassins to wipe out the beavers, for no reason out of other than a desire to remove all ethnic diversity from the kingdom, after that kingdom. After that, they were just plain evil.
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* In literally the first scene of ''SuikodenII'' where we see Luca Blight, he has just finished massacring almost all the members of a Youth Brigade camp (read: basically fantasy Boy Scouts) so that he can frame a neighboring country for the deed and get the people's support for a campaign of slaughter, rape, and pillage.
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* In literally the first scene of ''SuikodenII'' where we see Luca Blight, he has just finished massacring almost all the members of a Youth Brigade camp (read: basically fantasy Boy Scouts) so that he can frame a neighboring country for the deed and get the people's support for a campaign of slaughter, rape, and pillage. [[CompleteMonster And he only gets worse from there]].
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* The [[{{Cult}} "Children of Tarrone"]] in the eighth mission of {{SWAT4}}. Seems like your standard doomsday cult until you get to the basement and find [[spoiler:that they willingly [[CompleteMonster killed their children and tore up the concrete floor to bury them.]]]]
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* The [[{{Cult}} "Children of Tarrone"]] in the eighth mission of {{SWAT4}}.{{SWAT 4}}. Seems like your standard doomsday cult until you get to the basement and find [[spoiler:that they willingly [[CompleteMonster killed their children and tore up the concrete floor to bury them.]]]]
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* In SpiderManWebOfShadows, choosing the evil decisions lead to some [[KickTheDog pretty]] [[WhatTheHellHero mean]] [[MoralDissonance acts]] against to the characters around you. But one thing that can particularly make the Web-Head cross the line is the dark option against Symbiote Wolverine: [[spoiler: Spider-Man rips the Symbiote in half. With Wolverine attached to it.]] Let me repeat that: '''Spider-Man''' can cross this by [[spoiler: [[GrievousHarmWithABody RIPPING WOLVERINE]] [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel IN HALF]].]]
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* In SpiderManWebOfShadows, choosing the evil decisions lead to some [[KickTheDog pretty]] [[WhatTheHellHero mean]] [[MoralDissonance acts]] against to the characters around you. But one thing that can particularly make the Web-Head cross the line is the dark option against Symbiote Wolverine: [[spoiler: Spider-Man rips the Symbiote in half. With Wolverine attached to it.]] Let me repeat that: '''Spider-Man''' can cross this by [[spoiler: [[GrievousHarmWithABody RIPPING WOLVERINE]] [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel IN HALF]].]]]]
* The [[{{Cult}} "Children of Tarrone"]] in the eighth mission of {{SWAT4}}. Seems like your standard doomsday cult until you get to the basement and find [[spoiler:that they willingly [[CompleteMonster killed their children and tore up the concrete floor to bury them.]]]]
* The [[{{Cult}} "Children of Tarrone"]] in the eighth mission of {{SWAT4}}. Seems like your standard doomsday cult until you get to the basement and find [[spoiler:that they willingly [[CompleteMonster killed their children and tore up the concrete floor to bury them.]]]]
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* In ''BlazBlue'', both Terumi Yuuki and Relius Clover are already big Complete Monsters, but they keep pushing and pushing beyond the horizon. At this point, it seems like they're competing in a 'How far off the deep end can you go?' contest. Now let us have a laundry list of their atrocities:
** Terumi (extra note: He does this all while {{Troll}}ing):
** Created the Black Beast that ravaged the world for years, joins the Six Heroes to defeat it... then betrays them and kills Nine, who turns out to be Kokonoe's mother.
** Killed Nine's sister, cut off Ragna's arm while stealing Jin's body to do the job, kidnaps Ragna's sister Saya in front of him, then burnt down his orphanage... making Rachel bite him and turn him half-vampire, traumatizing him for life.
** [[spoiler: [[ManipulativeBastard Uses Litchi's desperation to cure Arakune]], as well as her own [[TheCorruption worsening condition]], to encourage her into a reluctant FaceHeelTurn.]]
** Pushed Noel into the Cauldron and basically {{Mind Rape}}s her, making her forget all her memories and turned her into Mu-12, a being who hates the world due to how people pick on her and now she thinks HumansAreBastards.
** [[spoiler:Giving Tsubaki a harsh taunting while she completely lost her sight, practically telling her that Noel stole everything from her and she is to blame, destroying their friendship and possibly pushing Tsubaki through the DespairEventHorizon.]]
** [[spoiler: Mocks an immobilized and injured Rachel while ''kicking her in the face''.]]
** Terumi (extra note: He does this all while {{Troll}}ing):
** Created the Black Beast that ravaged the world for years, joins the Six Heroes to defeat it... then betrays them and kills Nine, who turns out to be Kokonoe's mother.
** Killed Nine's sister, cut off Ragna's arm while stealing Jin's body to do the job, kidnaps Ragna's sister Saya in front of him, then burnt down his orphanage... making Rachel bite him and turn him half-vampire, traumatizing him for life.
** [[spoiler: [[ManipulativeBastard Uses Litchi's desperation to cure Arakune]], as well as her own [[TheCorruption worsening condition]], to encourage her into a reluctant FaceHeelTurn.]]
** Pushed Noel into the Cauldron and basically {{Mind Rape}}s her, making her forget all her memories and turned her into Mu-12, a being who hates the world due to how people pick on her and now she thinks HumansAreBastards.
** [[spoiler:Giving Tsubaki a harsh taunting while she completely lost her sight, practically telling her that Noel stole everything from her and she is to blame, destroying their friendship and possibly pushing Tsubaki through the DespairEventHorizon.]]
** [[spoiler: Mocks an immobilized and injured Rachel while ''kicking her in the face''.]]
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* In ''BlazBlue'', both Terumi Yuuki and Relius Clover are already big Complete Monsters, [[CompleteMonster a fine pair of jerks]], but they keep pushing and pushing beyond the horizon. At this point, it seems like they're competing in a 'How far off the deep end can you go?' contest. Now let us have a laundry list of their atrocities:
In short:
**Terumi (extra note: He does this all while {{Troll}}ing):
** CreatedTerumi:
*** created the Black Beast that ravaged the world for years,joins joined the Six Heroes to defeat it... then betrays betrayed them and kills killed Nine, who turns out to be Kokonoe's mother.
** Killed *** killed Nine's sister, possessed Jin to cut off Ragna's arm while stealing Jin's body to do the job, kidnaps arm, kidnapped Ragna's sister Saya in front of him, then burnt and burned down his orphanage... making Rachel bite him and turn him half-vampire, traumatizing him for life.
**the orphanage where Ragna was living.
*** [[spoiler: [[ManipulativeBastardUses uses Litchi's desperation to cure Arakune]], as well as her own [[TheCorruption worsening condition]], to encourage her into a reluctant FaceHeelTurn.]]
** Pushed *** pushes Noel into the Cauldron and basically {{Mind Rape}}s her, making her forget all her memories and turned Rape}}d her into becoming Mu-12, a being who hates the world due to how people pick on [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds using her negative emotions to amplify her hatred for mankind and now she thinks HumansAreBastards.
** [[spoiler:Giving Tsubaki a harsh taunting while she completely lostgive her sight, practically telling her that Noel stole everything from her and she is a reason to blame, destroying their friendship and possibly pushing Tsubaki through the DespairEventHorizon.destroy it.]]
** *** [[spoiler: Mocks mocks a blind Tsubaki and tells her that all of the things that have happened to her are basically her own fault, and in another ending, plays unmercifully on her [[GreenEyedMonster jealousy of Noel]] to pit her against both Noel and Jin.]]
*** [[spoiler: taunts animmobilized immobilized, humiliated, and injured Rachel while ''kicking her in the face''.]]
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** Created
*** created the Black Beast that ravaged the world for years,
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*** [[spoiler: [[ManipulativeBastard
** [[spoiler:Giving Tsubaki a harsh taunting while she completely lost
*** [[spoiler: taunts an
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** Turned his daughter Ada into the Nox Nyctores Nirvana and left Carl to finish the job. [[spoiler: Also turned his wife into his personal doll, Ignis.]]
** [[spoiler:Captured a dying and pained Arakune [[ForTheEvulz JUST BECAUSE]].]]
** [[spoiler:Beat and tortured Tager with Ignis in Tager's alternate ending.]]
** [[spoiler:Captured a dying and pained Arakune [[ForTheEvulz JUST BECAUSE]].]]
** [[spoiler:Beat and tortured Tager with Ignis in Tager's alternate ending.]]
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** Creating the GroundhogDayLoop that proves to be so depressing for all the people, and stay observant... enjoying nearly all sufferings of the cast.
*** Terumi didn't create the loop. Takamagahara did that. In fact, Terumi wanted to stop the loop.
** Creating the Black Beast out of Ragna and Nu, considers it failure and joins the Six Heroes to defeat it... then betrays them and killed Nine, who turns out to be Kokonoe's mother.
*** Black Beast was created out of accident before the first loop.
*** Terumi didn't create the loop. Takamagahara did that. In fact, Terumi wanted to stop the loop.
** Creating the Black Beast out of Ragna and Nu, considers it failure and joins the Six Heroes to defeat it... then betrays them and killed Nine, who turns out to be Kokonoe's mother.
*** Black Beast was created out of accident before the first loop.
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** Creating the GroundhogDayLoop that proves to be so depressing for all the people, and stay observant... enjoying nearly all sufferings of the cast.
*** Terumi didn't create the loop. Takamagahara did that. In fact, Terumi wanted to stop the loop.
** CreatingCreated the Black Beast out of Ragna and Nu, considers it failure and that ravaged the world for years, joins the Six Heroes to defeat it... then betrays them and killed kills Nine, who turns out to be Kokonoe's mother.
*** Black Beast was created out of accident before the first loop.mother.
*** Terumi didn't create the loop. Takamagahara did that. In fact, Terumi wanted to stop the loop.
** Creating
*** Black Beast was created out of accident before the first loop.
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** By the way, before he succeeded creating the Black Beast, he failed when experimenting Arakune, thus turning him into the AndIMustScream incarnate he is today.
*** Terumi didn't experiment on Arakune. Arakune did that experiment to himself, with encouragement and help from Litchi, despite their mentor, Kokonoe's disaprovement.
** [[spoiler:This is expanded with a dose of ManipulativeBastard. Arakune's transformation drove his lover Litchi Faye-Ling into desperation that she subjected herself with the similar experiments that happened to Arakune, giving her a virus that will slowly erode her mind and turn her into something like Arakune. When it's starting to eat her up and Kokonoe just refused to help her; Terumi simply just told her that NOL has something to prolong the erosion AND the cure, forcing the already further-desperate Litchi to pull a FaceHeelTurn unless she wants to stay and let the virus consume her. In short, her FaceHeelTurn can be credited to Terumi from a long time.]]
*** Again, Arakune's and Litchi's corruption is their own fault. Terumi was not involved at all. He merely offered Litchi a cure in exchange of working for him. This is definitely not a Moral Event Horizon.
*** Terumi didn't experiment on Arakune. Arakune did that experiment to himself, with encouragement and help from Litchi, despite their mentor, Kokonoe's disaprovement.
** [[spoiler:This is expanded with a dose of ManipulativeBastard. Arakune's transformation drove his lover Litchi Faye-Ling into desperation that she subjected herself with the similar experiments that happened to Arakune, giving her a virus that will slowly erode her mind and turn her into something like Arakune. When it's starting to eat her up and Kokonoe just refused to help her; Terumi simply just told her that NOL has something to prolong the erosion AND the cure, forcing the already further-desperate Litchi to pull a FaceHeelTurn unless she wants to stay and let the virus consume her. In short, her FaceHeelTurn can be credited to Terumi from a long time.]]
*** Again, Arakune's and Litchi's corruption is their own fault. Terumi was not involved at all. He merely offered Litchi a cure in exchange of working for him. This is definitely not a Moral Event Horizon.
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** By the way, before he succeeded creating the Black Beast, he failed when experimenting Arakune, thus turning him into the AndIMustScream incarnate he is today.
*** Terumi didn't experiment on Arakune. Arakune did that experiment to himself, with encouragement and help from Litchi, despite their mentor, Kokonoe's disaprovement.
** [[spoiler:This is expanded with a dose of ManipulativeBastard. Arakune's transformation drove his lover Litchi Faye-Ling into desperation that she subjected herself with the similar experiments that happened to Arakune, giving her a virus that will slowly erode her mind and turn her into something like Arakune. When it's starting to eat her up and Kokonoe just refused to help her; Terumi simply just told her that NOL has something to prolong the erosion AND the cure, forcing the already further-desperate Litchi to pull a FaceHeelTurn unless she wants to stay and let the virus consume her. In short, her FaceHeelTurn can be credited to Terumi from a long time.]]
*** Again, Arakune's and[[spoiler: [[ManipulativeBastard Uses Litchi's corruption is their own fault. Terumi was not involved at all. He merely offered Litchi a desperation to cure in exchange of working for him. This is definitely not Arakune]], as well as her own [[TheCorruption worsening condition]], to encourage her into a Moral Event Horizon.reluctant FaceHeelTurn.]]
*** Terumi didn't experiment on Arakune. Arakune did that experiment to himself, with encouragement and help from Litchi, despite their mentor, Kokonoe's disaprovement.
** [[spoiler:This is expanded with a dose of ManipulativeBastard. Arakune's transformation drove his lover Litchi Faye-Ling into desperation that she subjected herself with the similar experiments that happened to Arakune, giving her a virus that will slowly erode her mind and turn her into something like Arakune. When it's starting to eat her up and Kokonoe just refused to help her; Terumi simply just told her that NOL has something to prolong the erosion AND the cure, forcing the already further-desperate Litchi to pull a FaceHeelTurn unless she wants to stay and let the virus consume her. In short, her FaceHeelTurn can be credited to Terumi from a long time.]]
*** Again, Arakune's and
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** This is the biggest one for Terumi... [[spoiler:He had Rachel immobilized by a spell from an ally, named Phantom, then trolls her while the spell drags Rachel throughout the mud, and for good measure... ''kicks her on the face''. Rachel may be a stuck up, condescending little vampire bitch, but considering that she's just trying to set things straight... That's the line where fans start screaming for Terumi's eventual death.]]
*** Terumi and Rachel have hated each other for tens of thousands of years already. They insult and/or fight each other every time they meet. Terumi kicking her is definitely not a moral event horizon. Rachel will do the same if she is in his position.
*** Terumi and Rachel have hated each other for tens of thousands of years already. They insult and/or fight each other every time they meet. Terumi kicking her is definitely not a moral event horizon. Rachel will do the same if she is in his position.
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** This is the biggest one for Terumi... [[spoiler:He had Rachel [[spoiler: Mocks an immobilized by a spell from an ally, named Phantom, then trolls her while the spell drags and injured Rachel throughout while ''kicking her in the mud, and for good measure... ''kicks her on the face''. Rachel may be a stuck up, condescending little vampire bitch, but considering that she's just trying to set things straight... That's the line where fans start screaming for Terumi's eventual death.]]
*** Terumi and Rachel have hated each other for tens of thousands of years already. They insult and/or fight each other every time they meet. Terumi kicking her is definitely not a moral event horizon. Rachel will do the same if she is in his position.face''.]]
*** Terumi and Rachel have hated each other for tens of thousands of years already. They insult and/or fight each other every time they meet. Terumi kicking her is definitely not a moral event horizon. Rachel will do the same if she is in his position.
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** Killed his wife and daughter, with his daughter turned into a doll, Nirvana, and leaving her to his son Carl's care alone and deeply traumatizing the boy. [[spoiler:While he turns his wife to HIS doll Ignis]].
** [[spoiler:Captured Arakune, who's already dying and a huge sack of pitiful creature... [[ForTheEvulz JUST BECAUSE]].]]
** [[spoiler:In Tager's alternate ending, Relius shows off his cruelty again when he gleefully subdued Tager with Ignis, then put him to a brutal torture]].
** Good guys aren't safe from this, either. Ever since Continuum Shift, Kokonoe has been into an obsessive state of "Must Kill Terumi", and in process, crosses several lines...
** When Litchi asks for a cure about her increasing influence of the Boundary corruption, Kokonoe's response was to pit Tager to fight her, then tells her to buzz off as she has no time to take care of her. [[spoiler:This drove Litchi into an utter desperation that in the end she decided that in order to continue on, she had to pull a FaceHeelTurn.]]
*** Kokonoe has been constantly telling Litchi for the past 3 years that she doesn't know how to cure Litchi and Arakune. What more can she say to convince Litchi that she really doesn't know how to cure them after 3 years of Litchi refusing to listen?
*** As Litchi's alternate ending is concerned, when Kokonoe put her heart to it, she IS willing to do everything and go BeyondTheImpossible to save her. And pitting Tager to do it just to make a point? Apparently 'kill Terumi' takes more priority than keeping friends when she only has very little.
** While this is not being crossed yet, Kokonoe pretty much declares that if her current attempts to kill Terumi failed, she'll use her last trump card: NUCLEAR WARHEAD towards Kagutsuchi, which will take out many people's lives along with Terumi. When she didn't care about the casualties as long as she can kill Terumi, that was the line... even Hakumen says that nuclear warheads are far more vile than the Black Beast itself.
** However, the biggest horizon that Kokonoe crossed, which caused her former fans to cry out for her blood and become her haters... is her utterly brutal treatment towards Lambda-11. She sends her out to many battles for data, didn't care about her welfare and pretty much experiments the hell out of her, much to the suffering of the emotionless Lambda, treating her as her mean to kill Terumi (before she'd use that nuclear above). There is a reason why Lambda suddenly becomes one of the series' biggest [[TheWoobie Woobies]] on her debut. This is it.
** [[spoiler:Captured Arakune, who's already dying and a huge sack of pitiful creature... [[ForTheEvulz JUST BECAUSE]].]]
** [[spoiler:In Tager's alternate ending, Relius shows off his cruelty again when he gleefully subdued Tager with Ignis, then put him to a brutal torture]].
** Good guys aren't safe from this, either. Ever since Continuum Shift, Kokonoe has been into an obsessive state of "Must Kill Terumi", and in process, crosses several lines...
** When Litchi asks for a cure about her increasing influence of the Boundary corruption, Kokonoe's response was to pit Tager to fight her, then tells her to buzz off as she has no time to take care of her. [[spoiler:This drove Litchi into an utter desperation that in the end she decided that in order to continue on, she had to pull a FaceHeelTurn.]]
*** Kokonoe has been constantly telling Litchi for the past 3 years that she doesn't know how to cure Litchi and Arakune. What more can she say to convince Litchi that she really doesn't know how to cure them after 3 years of Litchi refusing to listen?
*** As Litchi's alternate ending is concerned, when Kokonoe put her heart to it, she IS willing to do everything and go BeyondTheImpossible to save her. And pitting Tager to do it just to make a point? Apparently 'kill Terumi' takes more priority than keeping friends when she only has very little.
** While this is not being crossed yet, Kokonoe pretty much declares that if her current attempts to kill Terumi failed, she'll use her last trump card: NUCLEAR WARHEAD towards Kagutsuchi, which will take out many people's lives along with Terumi. When she didn't care about the casualties as long as she can kill Terumi, that was the line... even Hakumen says that nuclear warheads are far more vile than the Black Beast itself.
** However, the biggest horizon that Kokonoe crossed, which caused her former fans to cry out for her blood and become her haters... is her utterly brutal treatment towards Lambda-11. She sends her out to many battles for data, didn't care about her welfare and pretty much experiments the hell out of her, much to the suffering of the emotionless Lambda, treating her as her mean to kill Terumi (before she'd use that nuclear above). There is a reason why Lambda suddenly becomes one of the series' biggest [[TheWoobie Woobies]] on her debut. This is it.
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** Killed his wife and daughter, with Turned his daughter Ada into the Nox Nyctores Nirvana and left Carl to finish the job. [[spoiler: Also turned into a doll, Nirvana, and leaving her to his son Carl's care alone and deeply traumatizing the boy. [[spoiler:While he turns his wife to HIS doll Ignis]].
** [[spoiler:Captured Arakune, who's already dying and a huge sack of pitiful creature... [[ForTheEvulz JUST BECAUSE]].into his personal doll, Ignis.]]
**[[spoiler:In Tager's alternate ending, Relius shows off his cruelty again when he gleefully subdued Tager with Ignis, then put him to [[spoiler:Captured a brutal torture]].
** Good guys aren't safe from this, either. Ever since Continuum Shift, Kokonoe has been into an obsessive state of "Must Kill Terumi",dying and in process, crosses several lines...
** When Litchi asks for a cure about her increasing influence of the Boundary corruption, Kokonoe's response was to pit Tager to fight her, then tells her to buzz off as she has no time to take care of her. [[spoiler:This drove Litchi into an utter desperation that in the end she decided that in order to continue on, she had to pull a FaceHeelTurn.pained Arakune [[ForTheEvulz JUST BECAUSE]].]]
*** Kokonoe has been constantly telling Litchi for the past 3 years that she doesn't know how to cure Litchi ** [[spoiler:Beat and Arakune. What more can she say to convince Litchi that she really doesn't know how to cure them after 3 years of Litchi refusing to listen?
*** As Litchi'stortured Tager with Ignis in Tager's alternate ending is concerned, when Kokonoe put her heart to it, she IS willing to do everything and go BeyondTheImpossible to save her. And pitting Tager to do it just to make a point? Apparently 'kill Terumi' takes more priority than keeping friends when she only has very little.
** While this is not being crossed yet, Kokonoe pretty much declares that if her current attempts to kill Terumi failed, she'll use her last trump card: NUCLEAR WARHEAD towards Kagutsuchi, which will take out many people's lives along with Terumi. When she didn't care about the casualties as long as she can kill Terumi, that was the line... even Hakumen says that nuclear warheads are far more vile than the Black Beast itself.
** However, the biggest horizon that Kokonoe crossed, which caused her former fans to cry out for her blood and become her haters... is her utterly brutal treatment towards Lambda-11. She sends her out to many battles for data, didn't care about her welfare and pretty much experiments the hell out of her, much to the suffering of the emotionless Lambda, treating her as her mean to kill Terumi (before she'd use that nuclear above). There is a reason why Lambda suddenly becomes one of the series' biggest [[TheWoobie Woobies]] on her debut. This is it.ending.]]
** [[spoiler:Captured Arakune, who's already dying and a huge sack of pitiful creature... [[ForTheEvulz JUST BECAUSE]].
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** Good guys aren't safe from this, either. Ever since Continuum Shift, Kokonoe has been into an obsessive state of "Must Kill Terumi",
** When Litchi asks for a cure about her increasing influence of the Boundary corruption, Kokonoe's response was to pit Tager to fight her, then tells her to buzz off as she has no time to take care of her. [[spoiler:This drove Litchi into an utter desperation that in the end she decided that in order to continue on, she had to pull a FaceHeelTurn.
*** As Litchi's
** While this is not being crossed yet, Kokonoe pretty much declares that if her current attempts to kill Terumi failed, she'll use her last trump card: NUCLEAR WARHEAD towards Kagutsuchi, which will take out many people's lives along with Terumi. When she didn't care about the casualties as long as she can kill Terumi, that was the line... even Hakumen says that nuclear warheads are far more vile than the Black Beast itself.
** However, the biggest horizon that Kokonoe crossed, which caused her former fans to cry out for her blood and become her haters... is her utterly brutal treatment towards Lambda-11. She sends her out to many battles for data, didn't care about her welfare and pretty much experiments the hell out of her, much to the suffering of the emotionless Lambda, treating her as her mean to kill Terumi (before she'd use that nuclear above). There is a reason why Lambda suddenly becomes one of the series' biggest [[TheWoobie Woobies]] on her debut. This is it.
