History MoralEventHorizon / TheSopranos

Oh, so many. It is a [[Series/TheSopranos show]] about [[TheMafia the Italian-American Mafia]], after all. In case the whole "lying, cheating, stealing and murdering" thing isn't enough, [[MoralEventHorizon here are some specific ones.]]
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* Richie crossed it with [[spoiler: Beansie's brutal paralyzation]] for refusing to be shaken down in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS2E3ToodleFuckingOo Toodle Fucking Oo]]", and continued to threaten him.

* Janice's behavior is less heinous than other characters--they're all gangsters, after all--but could what could be more petty, selfish, and personally evil than stealing a woman's prosthetic leg because she won't give you some vinyl records that were willed to her, not you, and which you planned to sell on eBay?

* Phil Leotardo crosses it with [[spoiler:his extremely brutal murder of Vito Spatafore, [[HomophobicHateCrime just for being gay]],]] in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS6E11ColdStones Cold Stones]]".

* Phil Leotardo crosses it with [[spoiler:Vito's extremely brutal murder, ''[[DisproportionateRetribution and just for being gay]]'']] in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS6E11ColdStones Cold Stones]]".

Oh, so many. It is a show about [[TheMafia the Italian-American Mafia]], after all. In case the whole "lying, cheating, stealing and murdering" thing isn't enough, here are some specific ones:

Oh, so many. It is a show about [[TheMafia the Italian-American Mafia]], afterall. In case the whole "lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering" thing isn't enough, here are some specific ones:
* Livia [[spoiler:putting a hit on Tony, her own son]] in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS1E11NobodyKnowsAnything Nobody Knows Anything]]".
* If Uncle Junior didn't cross it when he conspired with Livia to have [[spoiler:Tony]] killed, he did when he ordered Donnie's death in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS1E12Isabella Isabella]]".
* Richie crossed it with [[spoiler:Beansie's brutal paralyzation]] for refusing to be shaken down in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS2E3ToodleFuckingOo Toodle Fucking Oo]]", and continued to threaten him.
* Mustang Sally crosses it with [[spoiler:Bryan Spatafore's]] brutal paralyzation in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS3E5AnotherToothpick Another Toothpick]]", leaving him in a coma. He also mocked about this.
** Here's another candidate for him: According to Ralph Cifaretto, he says that this guy threw a hot dog vendor off the second floor mezzanine at Giants Stadium [[DisproportionateRetribution for serving too many onions on his hot dog]].

** A very debatable one occurs when Ralph gains some sympathy after his son is injured, but it turns out that [[spoiler:he killed Tony's beloved race horse for the insurance money]] in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS4E9WhoeverDidThis Whoever Did This]]".
** Debatable because Ralph never actually admits to it and there's no proof that he was responsible. An argument can be made that Tony's love for animals was responsible for how he couldn't see [[spoiler:the horse's death]] as anything but murder, and his dreams in the following episode seem to hint he knew deep down that [[spoiler:Ralph may have been innocent in the matter.]]

** The [[spoiler:waiter's]] murder in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS5E1TwoTonys Two Tonys]]" is another candidate for him as well.

** Paralyzing [[spoiler:a waiter]] with a rock...just because the guy pisses him off.
** For some fans, Christopher crosses it with [[spoiler:JT Dolan's murder, his own friend.]]

* Johnny Boy Soprano ''might'' have crossed it in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS3E3FortunateSon Fortunate Son]]" when he cut off [[spoiler:Mr. Satriale's finger]] with a butcher knife for failing to pay a gambling debt. However, the only reason this is a might is because, as a hardened mobster and criminal, it's quite possible that he was already over the line from the start.
** The events depicted in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS5E7InCamelot In Camelot]]" amply provide a strong MEH candidate for Johnny Soprano. Not only does he neglect his pregnant wife Livia to fornicate with his mistress, but the day she miscarries, Johnny is too busy messing around with said mistress to be there to comfort and support the mother of his children in the time of her greatest need. And on top of that, he cajoles his son Tony to lie about their whereabouts at Livia's time of crisis, just to cover his own ass. Say what you will about Livia and her narcissistic, manipulative and outright abusive ways- the callous disregard of her husband (and by extension, her only son), is a betrayal that no person should have to suffer, especially at a time like that.
* The Jasons and A.J. Soprano's actions -- They crossed it in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS6E17WalkLikeAMan Walk Like a Man]]", where they used A.J.'s SUV to take a gambler into the woods and [[spoiler:torture him by pouring sulfuric acid on his toes.]]

** "[[Recap/TheSopranosS6E13SopranoHomeMovies Sopranos Home Movies]]": Forcing [[spoiler:Bobby to murder someone]] over something trivial as he feels [[spoiler:Bobby offended his pride by beating him in a fight]], after Tony was antagonizing Janice and refused to stop when Bobby asked.

** InUniverse, Tony, Paulie, and Silvio seem to consider [[spoiler: their murder of Salvatore "Big Pussy" Bonpensiero]] in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS2E13Funhouse Funhouse]]" for [[spoiler: being a rat]] to be their own MEH, as they are all haunted by it for the rest of the show to various degrees, not to mention the nervous breakdown suffered by Tony the night before [[spoiler: when he realized that Pussy was a rat, and that he needed to kill him.]].
* Arguably, Carmela crossed it when she decided to ignore her therapist's advice in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS3E7SecondOpinion Second Opinion]]". The psychiatrist bluntly tells Carmela that she should leave Tony with her children (or what's left of them), and that by living on the wealth coming from her husband's crimes, she is either his accomplice or enabler. This is the first time Carmela has been confronted on her hypocrisy and selfishness, especially since she is entirely concerned about Tony cheating on her instead of his other (far more) heinous actions. With all her other excuses torn to pieces, the only one she has left is that she doesn't want to give up her mob wife lifestyle. So instead of going through with the man's advice, she stays with Tony and further subjects her children to a dangerous situation. Carmela knows that everything the therapist said was true, but chooses to ignore this.

* If Uncle Junior didn't cross it when he conspired with Livia to have [[spoiler:Tony]] killed, he did when ordered Donnie's death in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS1E12Isabella Isabella]]".

* Mustang Sally crosses it with [[spoiler:Bryan Spatafore's]] brutal paralyzation in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS3E5AnotherToothpick Another Toothpick]]", leading him in a coma. He also mocked about this.
** Here's another candidate for him: According with Ralph Cifaretto, he says that this guy threw a hot dog vendor off the second floor mezzanine at Giants Stadium for serving too many onions on his hot dog.

** To Creator/MichaelImperioli's amusement, many fans feel he crossed it when he kills Adriana's dog Cosette in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS4E10TheStrongSilentType The Strong Silent Type]]". It was an accident but he refuses to accept any responsiability and shows no signs of remorse over the incident.

** InUniverse, Tony, Paulie, and Silvio seem to consider [[spoiler: their murder of Pussy Bonpensiero]] in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS2E13Funhouse Funhouse]]" for [[spoiler: being a rat]] to be their own MEH, as they are all haunted by it for the rest of the show to various degrees, not to mention the nervous breakdown suffered by Tony the night before [[spoiler: when he realized that Pussy was a rat, and that he needed to kill him.]].

* Arguably, Carmela crossed it when she decided to ignore her therapist's advice in "Second Opinion". The psychiatrist bluntly tells Carmela that she should leave Tony with her children (or what's left of them), and that by living on the wealth coming from her husband's crimes, she is either his accomplice or enabler. This is the first time Carmela has been confronted on her hypocrisy and selfishness, especially since she is entirely concerned about Tony cheating on her instead of his other (far more) heinous actions. With all her other excuses torn to pieces, the only one she has left is that she doesn't want to give up her mob wife lifestyle. So instead of going through with the man's advice, she stays with Tony and further subjects her children to a dangerous situation. Carmela knows that everything the therapist said was true, but chooses to ignore this.

Oh, so many. It is a show about [[TheMafia the mob]], afterall. In case the whole "lying, cheating, stealing, and murdering" thing isn't enough, here are some specific ones:

** The events depicted in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS5E7InCamelot In Camelot]]" amply provide a strong MEH candidate for Johnny Soprano. Not only does he neglect his pregnant wife Livia to fornicate with some gold-digging, materialistic skank, but the day she miscarries, Johnny is too busy messing around with said skank to be there to comfort and support the mother of his children in the time of her greatest need. And on top of that, he cajoles his son Tony to lie about their whereabouts at Livia's time of crisis, just to cover his own ass. Say what you will about Livia and her narcissistic, manipulative and outright abusive ways- the callous disregard of her husband (and by extension, her only son), is a betrayal that no person should have to suffer, especially at a time like that.

* Phil Leotardo crosses it with [[spoiler:Vito's extremely brutal murder, ''[[DisproportionateRetribution and just for being gay]]'']] in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS6E11ColdCuts Cold Cuts]]".

* Livia [[spoiler:putting a hit on Tony, her own son.]]
* Uncle Jr. crossed it when he tried to have [[spoiler:Tony]] murdered.
* Richie crossed it with [[spoiler:Beansie's brutal paralyzation]] for refusing to be shaken down, and continued to threaten him.

** A very debatable one occurs when Ralph gains some sympathy after his son is injured, but it turns out that [[spoiler:he killed Tony's beloved race horse for the insurance money.]]

** For many fans, he certainly crossed the line of evil when he murdered [[spoiler: Nucci's friend (an old woman)]] after he attempted to steal her money and she caught him in the act.
** The [[spoiler:waiter's]] murder is another candidate for him as well.

** [[spoiler:Christopher ratting out Adriana, leading to her murder.]]
** Christopher paralyzing [[spoiler:a waiter]] with a rock... just because the guy pisses him off.

** Tony forcing [[spoiler:Bobby to murder someone]] over something trivial as he feels [[spoiler:Bobby offended his pride by beating him in a fight,]] after Tony was antagonizing Janice and refused to stop when Bobby asked.
** Tony [[spoiler:murdering Christopher]] is another candidate for him as well, even if Tony has his reasons due to [[spoiler:Christopher's drug addiction and unreliability.]]
* Phil Leotardo crosses it with [[spoiler:Vito's extremely brutal murder, ''[[DisproportionateRetribution and just for being gay]]''.]]

** The events depicted in "[[Recap/TheSopranosS5E17InCamelot In Camelot]]" amply provide a strong MEH candidate for Johnny Soprano. Not only does he neglect his pregnant wife Livia to fornicate with some gold-digging, materialistic skank, but the day she miscarries, Johnny is too busy messing around with said skank to be there to comfort and support the mother of his children in the time of her greatest need. And on top of that, he cajoles his son Tony to lie about their whereabouts at Livia's time of crisis, just to cover his own ass. Say what you will about Livia and her narcissistic, manipulative and outright abusive ways- the callous disregard of her husband (and by extension, her only son), is a betrayal that no person should have to suffer, especially at a time like that.

* Mustang Sally crosses it with [[spoiler:Bryan Spatafore's]] brutal paralyzation, leading him in a coma. He also mocked about this.

** The aforementioned incident involving him and his girlfiend Tracee. He ruthlessly beats her to death with his bare hands... just because she pisses him off.

* Johnny Boy Soprano ''might'' have crossed it when he cut off [[spoiler:Mr. Satriale's finger]] with a butcher knife for failing to pay a gambling debt. However, the only reason this is a might is because, as a hardened mobster and criminal, it's quite possible that he was already over the line from the start.
** This troper feels that the events depicted in the 5th season episode "In Camelot" amply provide a strong MEH candidate for Johnny Soprano. Not only does he neglect his pregnant wife Livia to fornicate with some gold-digging, materialistic skank, but the day she miscarries, Johnny is too busy messing around with said skank to be there to comfort and support the mother of his children in the time of her greatest need. And on top of that, he cajoles his son Tony to lie about their whereabouts at Livia's time of crisis, just to cover his own ass. Say what you will about Livia and her narcissistic, manipulative and outright abusive ways- the callous disregard of her husband (and by extension, her only son), is a betrayal that no person should have to suffer, especially at a time like that.
* The Jasons and A.J. Soprano's actions -- They crossed it in "Walk Like a Man", where they used A.J.'s SUV to take a gambler into the woods and [[spoiler:torture him by pouring sulfuric acid on his toes.]]

* Phil Leotardo crosses it with [[spoiler:Vito's extremely brutal murder, ''[[DisproportionateRetribution and just for being gay]]''.]]

* Tony Soprano himself has three candidates:
** The fact that he gleefully manages TheMafia business, which involves killing people and ruining lives. Just ask Davey.

* Richie crossed it with [[spoiler:Beansie's]] brutal paralyzation for refusing to be shaken down, and continued to threaten him.

** [[spoiler:Tony forcing Bobby to murder someone over something trivial as he feels Bobby offended his pride by beating him in a fight, after Tony was antagonizing Janice and refused to stop when Bobby asked.]]
** [[spoiler: Tony murdering Christopher is another candidate for him as well, even if Tony has his reasons due to Christopher's drug addiction and unreliability.]]
* [[spoiler:Phil Leotardo crosses it with Vito's extremely brutal murder, ''[[DisproportionateRetribution and just for being gay]]''.]]

* Livia putting a hit on Tony, her own son.
* Uncle Jr. crossed it when he tried to have Tony murdered.
* Richie crossed it with Beansie's brutal paralyzation for refusing to be shaken down, and continued to threaten him.
* Mustang Sally crosses it with Bryan Spatafore's brutal paralyzation, leading him in a coma. He also mocked about this.

** A very debatable one occurs when Ralph gains some sympathy after his son is injured, but it turns out that [[spoiler:he killed Tony's beloved race horse for the insurance money. Debatable because Ralph never actually admits to it and there's no proof that he was responsible. An argument can be made that Tony's love for animals was responsible for how he couldn't see the horse's death as anything but murder, and his dreams in the following episode seem to hint he knew deep down that Ralph may have been innocent in the matter.]]

** For many fans, he certainly crossed the line of evil when he murdered Nucci's friend (an old woman) after he attempted to steal her money and she caught him in the act.
** The waiter's murder is another candidate for him as well.

** Christopher paralyzing a waiter with a rock... just because the guy pisses him off.
** For some fans, Christopher crosses it with JT Dolan's murder, his own friend.
* Johnny Boy Soprano ''might'' have crossed it when he cut off Mr. Satriale's finger with a butcher knife for failing to pay a gambling debt. However, the only reason this is a might is because, as a hardened mobster and criminal, it's quite possible that he was already over the line from the start.
* The Jasons and A.J. Soprano's actions -- They crossed it in "Walk Like a Man", where they used A.J.'s SUV to take a gambler into the woods and torture him by pouring sulfuric acid on his toes.

** [[spoiler:Tony forcing Bobby to murder someone over something trivial as he feels Bobby offended his pride by beating him in a fight. After Tony was antagonizing Janice and refused to stop when Bobby asked.]]

* Of course, Paulie isn't better. He has two candidates:

* Of course, Paulie himself is not better. He has two candidates: