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* ''Fanfic/ShiftersOfFleshAndMetal'': This comes up when the ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' compare their [[{{Animorphism}} powers]] to [[Franchise/{{Transformers}} Cybertronians]] and their natural transformation abilities. Besides the former being an artificial ability while the latter is an innate part of cybertronian biology, the former has a two hour time-limit, has no concern for species, and violates the law of conservation while the latter has no time-limit but must (for the most part) use a non-living target and [[SizeShifter generally]] doesn't create excess mass. [[spoiler:Jack, June, Raf, and Miko discover that it ''is'' possible for someone to use the morphing power to acquire a cybertronian, but the massive differences in biology between the organic and mechanical species results in a unique transformation where an organic morpher is turned into a protoform and has their soul reformatted into a spark, creating a completely new cybertronian as opposed to copying an existing one. It's also implied that their innate ability to change their alt-modes makes cybertronian morphs exempt from the two-hour limit since said limit can be reset via natural metamorphosis]].
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See also MagicMustDefeatMagic and OurMagesAreDifferent. Compare OutsideContextProblem, FantasyKitchenSink, UnequalRites and WildMagic. Contrast RuleMagic. Related but contradictory to MagicAIsMagicA. The opposite of YourMagicsNoGoodHere, although it's possible for both to coexist if the wrong-context magic doesn't work in particular circumstances. NewLifeInAnotherWorldBonus frequently grants these. Characters who do this without realizing they're breaking the rules are accomplishing AchievementsInIgnorance. Characters who break the rules of magic/super science etc. are going BeyondTheImpossible. Can be related to NormalFishInATinyPond, if used correctly.

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See also MagicMustDefeatMagic and OurMagesAreDifferent. Compare BigFishInABiggerOcean, OutsideContextProblem, FantasyKitchenSink, UnequalRites and WildMagic. Contrast RuleMagic. Related but contradictory to MagicAIsMagicA. The opposite of YourMagicsNoGoodHere, although it's possible for both to coexist if the wrong-context magic doesn't work in particular circumstances. NewLifeInAnotherWorldBonus frequently grants these. Characters who do this without realizing they're breaking the rules are accomplishing AchievementsInIgnorance. Characters who break the rules of magic/super science etc. are going BeyondTheImpossible. Can be related to NormalFishInATinyPond, if used correctly.

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** Blackbeard has at least two or three distinct cases of this all on his own.
*** His Devil Fruit, the Dark-Dark Fruit, is different from most [[ElementalPowers Logia-type]] Devil Fruit in that it specifically does ''not'' allow him to turn into a version of MadeOfAir, allowing attacks to pass through him, like all other Logias do due to its nature being to absorb things. It also allows him to [[AntiMagic nullify]] Devil's Fruit powers, as well.
*** More importantly, however, is during the Paramount War when Blackbeard is able to [[spoiler:possess two Devil Fruit powers at once by somehow absorbing Whitebeard's Tremor-Tremor Fruit, a feat known to kill everyone else who has ever attempted it]], due to (according to Marco) his unusual body structure.
** Post-TimeSkip, we have [=SMILEs=], artificial Devil Fruits of the Zoan class that Kaido's pirates are using; Unlike actual Zoan Fruits, whoever eats a SMILE undergoes some sort of BodyHorror that alters a part of their bodies; For example, one SMILE user can turn his ''hand'' into a ram's head, and a "Gazelle-man" with the appropriate legs that has the speed of a gazelle... but none of the endurance. Holdem, a Headliner stationed in Wano, has a lion's head where his stomach should be. This lion also seems to have a mind of his own, and gets into quarrels with Holdem. Furthermore, the SMILE Fruits only work 10% of the time; If ten people eat a SMILE, only one will gain powers. The other nine will be GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul.

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** Blackbeard has at least two or three distinct cases of this all on his own.
abnormalities.
*** His Devil Fruit, the Dark-Dark Fruit, is different from most [[ElementalPowers Logia-type]] Devil Fruit in that it specifically does ''not'' allow make him to turn into a version of MadeOfAir, allowing attacks to pass through him, an ElementalShapeshifter like all other Logias do due to its nature being to absorb things. It also allows him Instead it has the extra ability to [[AntiMagic nullify]] Devil's Fruit powers, as well.
powers.
*** More importantly, however, is during the Paramount War when Blackbeard is able to [[spoiler:possess two Devil Fruit powers at once by somehow absorbing Whitebeard's Tremor-Tremor Fruit, a feat known to [[MutuallyExclusiveMagic kill everyone else who has ever attempted it]], it]]]], due to (according to Marco) his unusual body structure.
** Post-TimeSkip, we have Charlotte Katakuri's Mochi-Mochi Fruit was originally called a Logia-type, despite [[BizarroElements controlling a food product]] rather than any kind of natural material. An OrwellianRetcon changed it to be a Paramecia-type (the "miscellaneous" category for every fruit that ''isn't'' a Zoan or Logia), but it's still unique as the only one that makes you an ElementalShapeshifter, the inverse case of the Dark-Dark Fruit. It's specifically called a "Special Paramecia", which may be just a description or a distinct sub-type (which has yet to be elaborate on or applied elsewhere).
** While only one of a given Devil Fruit (User) can exist at once, many of Kaido's pirate use
[=SMILEs=], artificial imitation Zoan-type Devil Fruits of the Zoan class that Kaido's pirates are using; Unlike can be mass produced. But unlike actual Zoan Fruits, whoever eats a SMILE undergoes some sort of BodyHorror that alters a part of their bodies; random animal-based PartialTransformation; For example, one SMILE user can turn his ''hand'' into a ram's head, and a "Gazelle-man" with the appropriate legs that has the speed of a gazelle... but none of the endurance. Holdem, a Headliner stationed in Wano, has a lion's head where his stomach should be. This lion also seems to have a mind of his own, and gets into quarrels with Holdem. Furthermore, the SMILE Fruits only work 10% of the time; If ten people eat a SMILE, only one will gain powers. The other nine will be GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul.
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** The more esoteric Zoan fruits can grant some very strange powers to their bearers, especially the more mythical ones, but [[spoiler:whatever it is St. Jaygarcia Saturn of the Five Elders has, it's out there even by those standards. The man shows up out of a pentagram-bearing summoning circle, casually blows off a man's head with a glare, deletes his own wounds from existence[[labelnote:Note]]Not [[HealingFactor regenerates]], ''deletes'' it from existence, as if the wound never occured.[[/labelnote]], and can paralyze others pretty much at will with no obvious gestures. The end result is practically magic, brought by someone that's less an empowered man and more an actual ''demon'']].

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** The more esoteric Zoan fruits can grant some very strange powers to their bearers, especially the more mythical ones, but [[spoiler:whatever it is St. Jaygarcia Saturn of the Five Elders has, it's out there even by those standards. The man shows up out of a pentagram-bearing summoning circle, casually blows off a man's head with a glare, deletes his own wounds from existence[[labelnote:Note]]Not [[HealingFactor regenerates]], ''deletes'' it from existence, as if the wound never occured.[[/labelnote]], and can paralyze others pretty much at will with no obvious gestures. The end result is practically magic, brought by someone that's less an empowered man and more an actual ''demon'']].''demon''. And then, he ends up summoning the other four, ''also'' using Pentagrams, and they have similarly monstrous transformations that ''also'' share the exact same method of healing - when an identical power shared between Devil Fruits is basically ''impossible'' thanks to their uniqueness. This rapidly leads to questioning not just the source of their powers, but [[AmbiguouslyHuman whether they're even human or not]]]].
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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': Humanity doesn't believe magic exists, but the Four Maidens secretly possess powers that neither humans nor trained Huntsmen can wield, and which don't come from either [[ElementalPowers Dust]] or [[OnePersonOnePower Semblances]]. Unlike Semblances, this power can be wielded even if a Maiden's [[{{Mana}} Aura]] has broken. [[spoiler:Remnant's secret history reveals that humanity has existed twice, originally gifted with magic before being destroyed by the gods and re-evolving into a fractured remnant of itself that can't wield magic. Two members of the original humans exist -- [[BigBad Salem]] and [[BigGood Ozma/Ozpin]]. Except for Salem, who uses her magic to craft new forms of [[AnimalisticAbominations the Grimm]], all magic on Remnant originates from Ozma: he [[SuperEmpowering created]] the Maidens, fathered the two [[MagicalEye progenitors]] of the [[LightEmUp Silver-Eyed Warriors]], and gifted Qrow and Raven Branwen with the ability to [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shapeshift]] into their namesake birds.]]

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'': Humanity doesn't believe magic exists, but the Four Maidens secretly possess powers that neither humans nor trained Huntsmen can wield, and which don't come from either [[ElementalPowers Dust]] or [[OnePersonOnePower Semblances]]. Unlike Semblances, this power can be wielded even if a Maiden's [[{{Mana}} Aura]] has broken. [[spoiler:Remnant's secret history reveals that humanity has existed twice, originally gifted with magic before being destroyed by the gods and re-evolving into a fractured remnant of itself that can't wield magic. Two members of the original humans exist -- [[BigBad [[Characters/RWBYSalem Salem]] and [[BigGood [[Characters/RWBYOzpinAndOscar Ozma/Ozpin]]. Except for Salem, who uses her magic to craft new forms of [[AnimalisticAbominations the Grimm]], all magic on Remnant originates from Ozma: he [[SuperEmpowering created]] the Maidens, fathered the two [[MagicalEye progenitors]] of the [[LightEmUp Silver-Eyed Warriors]], and gifted Qrow and Raven Branwen with the ability to [[VoluntaryShapeshifting shapeshift]] into their namesake birds.]]
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** The more esoteric Zoan fruits can grant some very strange powers to their bearers, especially the more mythical ones, but [[spoiler:whatever it is St. Jaygarcia Saturn of the Five Elders has, it's out there even by those standards. The man shows up out of a pentagram-bearing summoning circle, casually blows off a man's head with a glare, deletes his own wounds from existence, and can paralyze others pretty much at will with no obvious gestures. The end result is practically magic, brought by someone that's less an empowered man and more an actual ''demon'']].

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** The more esoteric Zoan fruits can grant some very strange powers to their bearers, especially the more mythical ones, but [[spoiler:whatever it is St. Jaygarcia Saturn of the Five Elders has, it's out there even by those standards. The man shows up out of a pentagram-bearing summoning circle, casually blows off a man's head with a glare, deletes his own wounds from existence[[labelnote:Note]]Not [[HealingFactor regenerates]], ''deletes'' it from existence, as if the wound never occured.[[/labelnote]], and can paralyze others pretty much at will with no obvious gestures. The end result is practically magic, brought by someone that's less an empowered man and more an actual ''demon'']].
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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] [[GrewASpine finally is strengthened enough]] does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games [[labelnote:(For example...)]][[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis]] being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona, [[VideoGame/Persona4 Teddie]] likewise being a Shadow who gains a Persona, and [[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba]] meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon[[/labelnote]], this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, [[UniformityException unlike the other Phantom Thieves]]]].[[labelnote:However...]]Eagle-eyed players [[FreezeFrameBonus might notice that]] Toshiro's mask only has a single eyehole on the left side that corresponds to how [[HidingBehindYourBangs Erina's bangs cover her right eye]] and generally matches up with what she's wearing, suggesting Erina's attire may be a gender-flipped version of what Toshiro's Metaverse outfit would look like under normal circumstances.[[/labelnote]] In a Talk Event at the hideout after all this goes down ("Questions for [[spoiler:Lavenza]]"), Joker and Morgana can inquire about [[spoiler:Erina]] and are told that [[spoiler:she's perhaps best described as an entity with aspects of cognitive beings, Persona, and Shadows all at once, being born from Toshiro's cognition and then subconsciously endowed with his power]]. It's also possible that the Kingdoms' true nature as [[spoiler:a Metaverse created by Salmael from Toshiro's cognition]] means [[spoiler:Salmael was able to either somehow control Toshiro's Shadow (not unlike the implication in ''Persona 4'' that Shadow Teddie's presence was due to the intervention of another party, i.e. Ameno-sagiri or Izanami) or create a fake copy of it (as Lavenza also reveals that the cognitive beings in the Kingdoms, Tyrants included, are actually "[[PiecesOfGod fragments]]" of Salmael)]].

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] [[GrewASpine finally is strengthened enough]] does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games [[labelnote:(For example...)]][[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis]] being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona, [[VideoGame/Persona4 Teddie]] likewise being a Shadow who gains a Persona, and [[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba]] meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon[[/labelnote]], this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, [[UniformityException unlike the other Phantom Thieves]]]].[[labelnote:However...]]Eagle-eyed players [[FreezeFrameBonus might notice that]] Toshiro's mask only has a single eyehole on the left right side that corresponds to how [[HidingBehindYourBangs Erina's bangs cover her right eye]] and generally matches up with what she's wearing, suggesting Erina's attire may be a gender-flipped version of what Toshiro's Metaverse outfit would look like under normal circumstances.[[/labelnote]] In a Talk Event at the hideout after all this goes down ("Questions for [[spoiler:Lavenza]]"), Joker and Morgana can inquire about [[spoiler:Erina]] and are told that [[spoiler:she's perhaps best described as an entity with aspects of cognitive beings, Persona, and Shadows all at once, being born from Toshiro's cognition and then subconsciously endowed with his power]]. It's also possible that the Kingdoms' true nature as [[spoiler:a Metaverse created by Salmael from Toshiro's cognition]] means [[spoiler:Salmael was able to either somehow control Toshiro's Shadow (not unlike the implication in ''Persona 4'' that Shadow Teddie's presence was due to the intervention of another party, i.e. Ameno-sagiri or Izanami) or create a fake copy of it (as Lavenza also reveals that the cognitive beings in the Kingdoms, Tyrants included, are actually "[[PiecesOfGod fragments]]" of Salmael)]].

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] [[GrewASpine finally is strengthened enough]] does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]], [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona4 Teddie likewise being a Shadow who gains a Persona]]]], or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, [[UniformityException unlike the other Phantom Thieves]]]]. (Eagle-eyed players [[FreezeFrameBonus might notice that]] [[spoiler:Toshiro's mask only has a single eyehole on the left side that corresponds to how Erina's bangs cover her right eye and generally matches up with what she's wearing]], suggesting [[spoiler:Erina's attire may be a gender-flipped version of what Toshiro's Metaverse outfit would look like under normal circumstances]].) In a Talk Event at the hideout after all this goes down ("Questions for [[spoiler:Lavenza]]"), Joker and Morgana can inquire about [[spoiler:Erina]] and are told that [[spoiler:she's perhaps best described as an entity with aspects of cognitive beings, Persona, and Shadows all at once, being born from Toshiro's cognition and then subconsciously endowed with his power]]. It's also possible that the Kingdoms' true nature as [[spoiler:a Metaverse created by Salmael from Toshiro's cognition]] means [[spoiler:Salmael was able to either somehow control Toshiro's Shadow (not unlike the implication in ''Persona 4'' that Shadow Teddie's presence was due to the intervention of another party, i.e. Ameno-sagiri or Izanami) or create a fake copy of it (as Lavenza also reveals that the cognitive beings in the Kingdoms, Tyrants included, are actually "[[PiecesOfGod fragments]]" of Salmael)]].

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] [[GrewASpine finally is strengthened enough]] does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis [[labelnote:(For example...)]][[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis]] being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]], [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona4 Teddie Persona, [[VideoGame/Persona4 Teddie]] likewise being a Shadow who gains a Persona]]]], or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba Persona, and [[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba]] meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), Necronomicon[[/labelnote]], this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, [[UniformityException unlike the other Phantom Thieves]]]]. (Eagle-eyed [[labelnote:However...]]Eagle-eyed players [[FreezeFrameBonus might notice that]] [[spoiler:Toshiro's Toshiro's mask only has a single eyehole on the left side that corresponds to how [[HidingBehindYourBangs Erina's bangs cover her right eye eye]] and generally matches up with what she's wearing]], wearing, suggesting [[spoiler:Erina's Erina's attire may be a gender-flipped version of what Toshiro's Metaverse outfit would look like under normal circumstances]].) circumstances.[[/labelnote]] In a Talk Event at the hideout after all this goes down ("Questions for [[spoiler:Lavenza]]"), Joker and Morgana can inquire about [[spoiler:Erina]] and are told that [[spoiler:she's perhaps best described as an entity with aspects of cognitive beings, Persona, and Shadows all at once, being born from Toshiro's cognition and then subconsciously endowed with his power]]. It's also possible that the Kingdoms' true nature as [[spoiler:a Metaverse created by Salmael from Toshiro's cognition]] means [[spoiler:Salmael was able to either somehow control Toshiro's Shadow (not unlike the implication in ''Persona 4'' that Shadow Teddie's presence was due to the intervention of another party, i.e. Ameno-sagiri or Izanami) or create a fake copy of it (as Lavenza also reveals that the cognitive beings in the Kingdoms, Tyrants included, are actually "[[PiecesOfGod fragments]]" of Salmael)]].

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] finally is strengthened enough does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]] or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, unlike the other Phantom Thieves]]. In a Talk Event at the hideout after all this goes down ("Questions for [[spoiler:Lavenza]]"), Joker and Morgana can inquire about [[spoiler:Erina]] and are told that [[spoiler:she's perhaps best described as an entity with aspects of cognitive beings, Persona, and Shadows all at once, being born from Toshiro's cognition and then subconsciously endowed with his power]].

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] [[GrewASpine finally is strengthened enough enough]] does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]] Persona]]]], [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona4 Teddie likewise being a Shadow who gains a Persona]]]], or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, [[UniformityException unlike the other Phantom Thieves]]. Thieves]]]]. (Eagle-eyed players [[FreezeFrameBonus might notice that]] [[spoiler:Toshiro's mask only has a single eyehole on the left side that corresponds to how Erina's bangs cover her right eye and generally matches up with what she's wearing]], suggesting [[spoiler:Erina's attire may be a gender-flipped version of what Toshiro's Metaverse outfit would look like under normal circumstances]].) In a Talk Event at the hideout after all this goes down ("Questions for [[spoiler:Lavenza]]"), Joker and Morgana can inquire about [[spoiler:Erina]] and are told that [[spoiler:she's perhaps best described as an entity with aspects of cognitive beings, Persona, and Shadows all at once, being born from Toshiro's cognition and then subconsciously endowed with his power]].power]]. It's also possible that the Kingdoms' true nature as [[spoiler:a Metaverse created by Salmael from Toshiro's cognition]] means [[spoiler:Salmael was able to either somehow control Toshiro's Shadow (not unlike the implication in ''Persona 4'' that Shadow Teddie's presence was due to the intervention of another party, i.e. Ameno-sagiri or Izanami) or create a fake copy of it (as Lavenza also reveals that the cognitive beings in the Kingdoms, Tyrants included, are actually "[[PiecesOfGod fragments]]" of Salmael)]].
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* Seika Lamprogue, the protagonist of ''Literature/TheReincarnationOfTheStrongestExorcistInAnotherWorld'', reincarnates into a body with no magical power. However, he never complains, as it possesses an incredible ammount of "spiritual" power, which is perfect for utilizing exorcism techniques, of which the rest of the world is completely unaware (save for one genius assassin who invents a science to inflict and comand curses entirely from scratch), and he is the unrivalled expert in thanks to knowledge from his former life.

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* Seika Lamprogue, the protagonist of ''Literature/TheReincarnationOfTheStrongestExorcistInAnotherWorld'', reincarnates into a body with no magical power. However, he never complains, as it possesses an incredible ammount of "spiritual" power, which is perfect for utilizing exorcism techniques, of which the rest of the world is completely unaware (save for one genius assassin who invents a science to inflict and comand command curses entirely from scratch), and he is the unrivalled expert in thanks to knowledge from his former life.

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** The mysterious archdemon Nadare is the source of a lot of head-scratching from characters as her powers seem completely different from the Power of Ego that the Archdemons normally make use of, instead it is like there is no actual magic on her part. Best way to describe it is that she tells the universe to jump, and the universe asks how high. [[spoiler:Truth is that there is no magic. She is a sort of administrator for the current cycle of the universe and as such has admin rights to it]].
** Another deal with Nadare that breaks every rule is her Commandment. Normally, the Commandments are a set of restrictions one has to abide by. While to grants fantastical powers when followed, it leads to divine retribution if violated. Here, Nadare's is unique in that it cannot be violated under any circumstance. [[spoiler:Once again a result of her being the administrator for the universe, though this one also means that she [[ICannotSelfTerminate can't take her own life]] no matter how much she would want to]].

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** The mysterious archdemon Nadare is the source of a lot of head-scratching from characters as her powers seem completely different from the Power of Ego that the Archdemons normally make use of, instead it is like there is no actual magic on her part. Best way to describe it is that she tells the universe to jump, and the universe asks how high. [[spoiler:Truth is that there is no magic. She is a sort of administrator for the current cycle of the universe and as such has admin rights to it]].
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** Another deal with Nadare that breaks every rule is her Commandment. Normally, the Commandments are a set of restrictions one has to abide by. While to grants fantastical powers when followed, it leads to divine retribution if violated. Here, Nadare's is unique in that it cannot be violated under any circumstance. [[spoiler:Once again a result of her being the administrator for the universe, though this one also means that she [[ICannotSelfTerminate can't take her own life]] no matter how much she would want to]].to.]]



** Mages should only have one magical attribute. However, through experimentation the Diamond Kingdom created mages who could have two -- Mars and Fana both have flame and mineral magic due to having parts of their grimoires torn out and grafted to each other's. [[spoiler:There's also Charmy, who has cotton and food magic thanks to being a dwarf hybrid.]] The Dark Triad also have two attributes due to using their own natural magics [[spoiler:plus [[PowersViaPossession those of the devils they host]]]].

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** Mages should only have one magical attribute. However, through experimentation the Diamond Kingdom created mages who could have two -- Mars and Fana both have flame and mineral magic due to having parts of their grimoires torn out and grafted to each other's. [[spoiler:There's also Charmy, who has cotton and food magic thanks to being a dwarf hybrid.]] The Dark Triad also have two attributes due to using their own natural magics [[spoiler:plus [[PowersViaPossession those of the devils they host]]]].host]].]]



*** It is likely his shadow powers are derived from the exotic shadowy substance that comes from the Gate of Truth, the material that composes Truth's body and Father's true form.

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*** It is likely his shadow powers are derived from the exotic shadowy substance that comes from the Gate of Truth, GateOfTruth, the material that composes Truth's body and Father's true form.



*** Said spoiler themselves is an example of this even among the other transmutation circleless alchemists. All of them consciously broke the taboo of human transmutation and lost body parts due to meeting the Gate. This alchemist however was forcibly involved in a human transmutation as a third party to purposefully make another alchemist who didn't need a transmutation circle. This results in them losing their eyesight, but not their eyeballs, despite them not performing the taboo transmutation themselves. A situation Ed says shouldn't happen, given that the whole purpose of it is as a punishment by the ambiguously godlike Gate: the body part lost is explicitly stated to have a symbolic meaning to the taboo breaker's goals. Izumi wanted to bring back her child and lost her womb among other internal organs, [[spoiler:Mustang]] ended up losing the ability to "see" the world they envisioned. This set up is also likely the reason they're potentially allowed to regain their eyesight through medical treatment later, while the other circleless alchemists must use prosthesis, cope, or make additional deals with the Gate.
** [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist2003 The 2003 anime]] has its own example of this in the Homunculus Wrath. By the rules of Alchemy in the anime, Homunculi cannot perform 'regular' alchemy because they're not human; instead they obtain a unique alchemical power to manipulate their bodies in a single way (such as VoluntaryShapeshifting, converting the Carbon in your skin into diamondoid or [[ElementalShapeshifter turning one's body into a coherent liquid form]]) during maturation using [[HumanResources the Red Stones]] that make up parts of their bodies. Wrath, meanwhile, does not have any Homunculus powers... But he ''can'' perform 'regular' alchemy on an instinctual level without using a transmutation circle. [[spoiler:This turns out to be because of his unique maturation process, which gave him access to a human arm: The GateOfTruth 'thinks' the arm is still attached to its original body and thus alchemical power flows through it normally.]]

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*** Said spoiler themselves is an example of this even among the other transmutation circleless alchemists. All of them consciously broke the taboo of human transmutation and lost body parts due to meeting the Gate. This alchemist however alchemist, however, was forcibly involved in a human transmutation as a third party to purposefully make another alchemist who didn't need a transmutation circle. This results in them losing their eyesight, but not their eyeballs, despite them not performing the taboo transmutation themselves. A situation Ed says shouldn't happen, given that the whole purpose of it is as a punishment by the ambiguously godlike Gate: the body part lost is explicitly stated to have a symbolic meaning to the taboo breaker's goals. Izumi wanted to bring back her child and lost her womb among other internal organs, while [[spoiler:Mustang]] ended up losing the ability to "see" the world they envisioned. This set up setup is also likely the reason they're potentially allowed to regain their eyesight through medical treatment later, while the other circleless alchemists must use prosthesis, cope, or make additional deals with the Gate.
** [[Anime/FullmetalAlchemist2003 The 2003 anime]] has its own example of this in the Homunculus Wrath. By the rules of Alchemy alchemy in the anime, Homunculi cannot perform 'regular' "regular" alchemy because they're not human; instead they obtain a unique alchemical power to manipulate their bodies in a single way (such as VoluntaryShapeshifting, converting the Carbon in your skin into diamondoid diamondoid, or [[ElementalShapeshifter turning one's body into a coherent liquid form]]) during maturation using [[HumanResources the Red Stones]] that make up parts of their bodies. Wrath, meanwhile, does not have any Homunculus powers... But he ''can'' perform 'regular' "regular" alchemy on an instinctual level without using a transmutation circle. [[spoiler:This turns out to be because of his unique maturation process, which gave him access to a human arm: The GateOfTruth 'thinks' "thinks" the arm is still attached to its original body and thus alchemical power flows through it normally.]]



** On the goofier side, ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable Diamond is Unbreakable]]'' has Mikitaka Hazekura, a character with VoluntaryShapeshifting abilities who seemed to start displaying them after he was struck by a Stand-imbuing Arrow. However, he claims to be an alien from another galaxy and these powers are just innate to his species (despite being named like an individual Stand). He has no reaction to a feint punch from another character's Stand implying he can't see other Stands, and the Stand Arrow actually began to deflect its course ''away'' from him when it was about to hit him. The author Creator/HirohikoAraki even goes out of his way to neither confirm nor deny that Earth Wind and Fire is a Stand, instead referring to it as a "Stand?" on several occasions.

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** On the goofier side, ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureDiamondIsUnbreakable Diamond is Unbreakable]]'' has Mikitaka Hazekura, a character with VoluntaryShapeshifting abilities who seemed to start displaying them after he was struck by a Stand-imbuing Arrow. However, he claims to be an alien from another galaxy and these powers are just innate to his species (despite being named like an individual Stand). He has no reaction to a feint punch from another character's Stand implying (implying he can't see other Stands, Stands), and the Stand Arrow actually began to deflect its course ''away'' from him when it was about to hit him. The author Creator/HirohikoAraki even goes out of his way to neither confirm nor deny that Earth Wind and Fire is a Stand, instead referring to it as a "Stand?" on several occasions.



** The spinoff ''Manga/ThusSpokeKishibeRohan'' is more or less explicitly about Rohan running into exactly these sort of situations that aren't explained by the series' established supernatural rules. Among these are what are heavily implied to be an actual {{Yokai}}, nature gods who demand absolute etiquette from their devotees, paintings haunted by the hatred of its painter, an insect that inhabits cellphones and predates on humans, the incarnation of an actual PhysicalGod, and a Stand-empowered Gucci bag, just to list a few of his adventures.

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** The spinoff ''Manga/ThusSpokeKishibeRohan'' is more or less explicitly about Rohan running into exactly these sort of situations that aren't explained by the series' established supernatural rules. Among these are what are heavily implied to be an actual {{Yokai}}, {{Youkai}}, nature gods who demand absolute etiquette from their devotees, paintings haunted by the hatred of its painter, an insect that inhabits cellphones and predates on humans, the incarnation of an actual PhysicalGod, and a Stand-empowered Gucci bag, just to list a few of his adventures.



** "One for All", the Quirk used by the main character and his mentor, is unique from all other Quirks in the setting for multiple reasons. It was created artificially when a villain with the power to steal and grant others Quirks gave his brother the ability to stockpile power. The stockpiling ability combined with the brother's then-unknown ability to pass his Quirk to another, creating One For All. That second ability also makes it the only known Quirk with the ability to be passed down to a chosen successor, when all other Quirks are either inherited directly from a parent or develops as a combination of both parents' Quirks. Finally, while Quirks aren't known to grow in power with each generation, One For All grows more powerful with each successive user it's passed down to due to its stockpiling aspect. [[spoiler:Izuku Midoriya can use certain abilities of One For All which are exclusive to him. Deceased users of One For All can speak to him and show him visions of the past. Izuku can also access the Quirks of the previous users, which have been drastically strengthened by One For All.]]

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** "One for For All", the Quirk used by the main character and his mentor, is unique from all other Quirks in the setting for multiple reasons. It was created artificially when a villain with the power to steal and grant others Quirks gave his brother the ability to stockpile power. The stockpiling ability combined with the brother's then-unknown ability to pass his Quirk to another, creating One For All. That second ability also makes it the only known Quirk with the ability to be passed down to a chosen successor, when all other Quirks are either inherited directly from a parent or develops as a combination of both parents' Quirks. Finally, while Quirks aren't known to grow in power with each generation, One For All grows more powerful with each successive user it's passed down to due to its stockpiling aspect. [[spoiler:Izuku Midoriya can use certain abilities of One For All which are exclusive to him. Deceased users of One For All can speak to him and show him visions of the past. Izuku can also access the Quirks of the previous users, which have been drastically strengthened by One For All.]]



** The Second and Third Tsuchikages possess the ability to combine three elements in what they refer to as a "Bloodline Expansion". This is the ''only'' known example of such an Expansion. It was also hinted that unlike regular Bloodline Limits this was an ability that needed to be learned rather than [[SuperpowerfulGenetics inherited]].

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** The Second and Third Tsuchikages possess the ability to combine three elements in what they refer to as a "Bloodline Expansion". This is the ''only'' known example of such an Expansion. It was It's also hinted that that, unlike regular Bloodline Limits Limits, this was is an ability that needed to be learned rather than [[SuperpowerfulGenetics inherited]].



** During the Third Act of Wano, [[spoiler: it's revealed that Luffy's Paramecia Gum-Gum Fruit, is actually a Zoan type Human-Human Fruit, Model: Nika. Once awakened, it gives him ToonPhysics which means Luffy can freely alter his body shape, as well as imbue surrounding objects with the properties of rubber, this even extends to making people around him act more "cartoony." Altogether meaning he can do almost anything [[RuleOfFunny as long as it's funny]]. When Luffy incorporates these new abilities into his moveset, it results in an unpredictable fighting style that highly resembles something out of a Looney Tunes episode. This, in conjunction with Luffy's already very advanced Haki, is what allows him to finally defeat a now visibly confused Kaido in a one-on-one bout.]]
** The more esoteric Zoan fruits can grant some very strange powers to their bearers, especially the more mythical ones, but [[spoiler:whatever it is St. Jaygarcia Saturn of the Five Elders has, it's out there even by those standards. The man shows up out of a pentagram-bearing summoning circle, casually blows off a man's head with a glare, deletes his own wounds from existence and can paralyze others pretty much at will with no obvious gestures. The end result is practically magic, brought by someone that's less an empowered man and more an actual ''demon'']].

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** During the Third Act of Wano, [[spoiler: it's revealed that Luffy's Paramecia Gum-Gum Fruit, is actually a Zoan type Human-Human Fruit, Model: Nika. Once awakened, it gives him ToonPhysics ToonPhysics, which means Luffy can freely alter his body shape, as well as imbue surrounding objects with the properties of rubber, this rubber. This even extends to making people around him act more "cartoony." Altogether meaning he can Altogether, this equates to Luffy being able to do almost anything [[RuleOfFunny as long as it's funny]]. When Luffy incorporates these new abilities into his moveset, it results in [[ConfusionFu an unpredictable fighting style style]] that highly resembles something out of a Looney Tunes ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' episode. This, in conjunction with Luffy's already very advanced Haki, is what allows him to finally defeat a now visibly confused Kaido in a one-on-one bout.]]
** The more esoteric Zoan fruits can grant some very strange powers to their bearers, especially the more mythical ones, but [[spoiler:whatever it is St. Jaygarcia Saturn of the Five Elders has, it's out there even by those standards. The man shows up out of a pentagram-bearing summoning circle, casually blows off a man's head with a glare, deletes his own wounds from existence existence, and can paralyze others pretty much at will with no obvious gestures. The end result is practically magic, brought by someone that's less an empowered man and more an actual ''demon'']].



** On occasion it'll be acknowledged that certain Pokémon have skills which ''aren't'' considered "moves" and thus aren't governed by the same rules as them. An episode of ''[[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesDiamondAndPearl Diamond and Pearl]]'' has Team Rocket learn this the hard way when attempting to use Wobbuffet's Counter to defend against [[SmellySkunk a Stunky's Stench]]. It fails completely because, as James clarifies, Counter only works against other Pokémon moves whereas Stench is an innate ability Stunky possess.

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** On occasion it'll be acknowledged that certain Pokémon have skills which ''aren't'' considered "moves" "Moves" and thus aren't governed by the same rules as them. An episode of ''[[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesDiamondAndPearl Diamond and Pearl]]'' has Team Rocket learn this the hard way when attempting to use Wobbuffet's Counter to defend against [[SmellySkunk a Stunky's Stench]]. It fails completely because, as James clarifies, Counter only works against other Pokémon moves whereas Stench is an innate ability Ability Stunky possess.



* Seika Lamprogue, the protagonist of ''Literature/TheReincarnationOfTheStrongestExorcistInAnotherWorld'', reincarnates into a body with no magical power. However, he never complains, as it possesses an incredible ammount of 'spiritual' power, which is perfect for utilizing exorcism techniques, of which the rest of the world is completely unaware (save for one genius assassin who invents a science to inflict and comand curses entirely from scratch), and he is the unrivalled expert in thanks to knowledge from his former life.

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* Seika Lamprogue, the protagonist of ''Literature/TheReincarnationOfTheStrongestExorcistInAnotherWorld'', reincarnates into a body with no magical power. However, he never complains, as it possesses an incredible ammount of 'spiritual' "spiritual" power, which is perfect for utilizing exorcism techniques, of which the rest of the world is completely unaware (save for one genius assassin who invents a science to inflict and comand curses entirely from scratch), and he is the unrivalled expert in thanks to knowledge from his former life.



** In the Standard Dimension, there are three types of summoning: Fusion Summoning, Synchro Summoning, and Xyz Summoning. All of these methods are limited by the ability to produce different types of energy, which is viewed as a semi-mystical ability. Reiji is a prodigy because, among other things, he's able to use all three summoning methods. Then, by the end of episode 1, Yuya's pendant glows, which spreads to his cards, and he alone produces a new summoning type, Pendulum Summon. This produces a unique energy signature like the other three types, and it takes some time before Reiji manages to produce his own Pendulum Cards.
** The series later moves on to other parallel worlds: the Fusion Dimension, Synchro Dimension, and Xyz Dimension. True to their name, each dimension only has access to their namesake summoning method but can easily specialize in it, so other methods are completely foreign to them. The Fusion invasion of the Xyz Dimension makes it clear how one's summoning method identifies where they come from (leading to some FantasticRacism on both sides depending on the cards they find in their deck, as well as mistaking the denizens of Standard for another dimension depending on what cards they summon in a duel). When Yuya engages Jack Atlas of the Synchro Dimension, he's already developed prowess in Fusion and Xyz summoning, and by combining it with his Pendulum summoning is able to surprise Jack with these new mechanics and force him on the back foot. The fact that Jack recovers and wins anyway is more a testament to [[WorldsBestWarrior his own prowess]] than anything else.

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** In the Standard Dimension, there are three types of summoning: Fusion Summoning, Synchro Summoning, and Xyz Summoning. All of these methods are limited by the ability to produce different types of energy, which is viewed as a semi-mystical ability. Reiji is a prodigy because, among other things, he's able to use all three summoning methods. Then, by the end of episode Episode 1, Yuya's pendant glows, which spreads to his cards, and he alone produces a new summoning type, Pendulum Summon. This produces a unique energy signature like the other three types, and it takes some time before Reiji manages to produce his own Pendulum Cards.
** The series later moves on to other parallel worlds: the Fusion Dimension, Synchro Dimension, and Xyz Dimension. True to their name, each dimension only has access to their namesake summoning method but can easily specialize in it, so other methods are completely foreign to them. The Fusion invasion of the Xyz Dimension makes it clear how one's summoning method identifies where they come from (leading to some FantasticRacism on both sides depending on the cards they find in their deck, as well as mistaking the denizens of Standard for another dimension depending on what cards they summon in a duel). When Yuya engages Jack Atlas of the Synchro Dimension, he's already developed prowess in Fusion and Xyz summoning, Summoning, and by combining it with his Pendulum summoning is able to surprise Jack with these new mechanics and force him on the back foot. The fact that Jack recovers and wins anyway is more a testament to [[WorldsBestWarrior his own prowess]] than anything else.



* Some characters can get away with this like Loki (god of Mischief and possibly Chaos and Lies) because of a long history of doing those things and having other weaknesses (again with Loki: some mental issues, is/was physically weak compared to most Asgardians, and a ''tendency to defeat himself''). Other characters however ''cannot'' and avert the trope massively (essentially becoming PlotCoupon characters): Loki's magic gained some rules over time, which may or may not be true as mostly he was the one doing the explaining. Basically he claims that he just ''lies to the universe'', so he needs to keep the lie straight and look out for the TheoryOfNarrativeCausality (this is why he defeats himself, the narrative kicks back).

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* Some characters can get away with this like Loki [[Characters/MarvelComicsLoki Loki]] (god of Mischief and possibly Chaos and Lies) because of a long history of doing those things and having other weaknesses (again with Loki: some mental issues, is/was physically weak compared to most Asgardians, and a ''tendency to defeat himself''). Other characters however ''cannot'' and avert the trope massively (essentially becoming PlotCoupon characters): Loki's magic gained some rules over time, which may or may not be true as mostly he was the one doing the explaining. Basically he claims that he just ''lies to the universe'', so he needs to keep the lie straight and look out for the TheoryOfNarrativeCausality (this is why he defeats himself, the narrative kicks back).



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* Characters/ScarletWitch:This trope pops up with the Characters/ScarletWitch every now and then.



* ''Fanfic/AssassinAmongHeroes'': The main character, Ritsu Ogawa/Shinigami, possesses the abilities of an Assassin Class Heroic Spirit from the ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'', thanks to his possession of the mask of King Hassan. It goes without saying that ''none'' of his abilities fit within the rules of Quirks of ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', something every other character picks up on. The biggest discrepancy is the fact that he displays multiple powers (Concealment, a PerceptionFilter, and [[spoiler: Zabaniya]] to name the most obvious ones) which leads the police, heroes, and ''All For One'' to suspect he has ''multiple'' Quirks, something that should be impossible (unless he received them from All For One himself, but very few people know about him).

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* ''Fanfic/AssassinAmongHeroes'': The main character, Ritsu Ogawa/Shinigami, possesses the abilities of an Assassin Class Heroic Spirit from the ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'', thanks to his possession of the mask of King Hassan. It goes without saying that ''none'' of his abilities fit within the rules of Quirks of ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', something every other character picks up on. The biggest discrepancy is the fact that he displays multiple powers (Concealment, a PerceptionFilter, and [[spoiler: Zabaniya]] [[spoiler:Zabaniya]] to name the most obvious ones) which leads the police, heroes, and ''All For One'' to suspect he has ''multiple'' Quirks, something that should be impossible (unless he received them from All For One himself, but very few people know about him).



* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' mixes a number of magical systems relatively neatly, but [[EntropyAndChaosMagic Chaos Magic]] is implied to be a whole different ball-game, and confirmed as such in the sequel. The rest of the series' magic broadly follows MagicAIsMagicA -- there is internal consistency, and magic has to do business with the laws of physics. Raw chaos magic, on the other hand, allows the wielder to do more or less anything they can think of, as long as they have enough power and focus (and don't mind potential side-effects like generating deadly radiation when transmuting elements, or potentially ripping holes in reality).

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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' mixes a number of magical systems relatively neatly, but [[EntropyAndChaosMagic Chaos Magic]] is implied to be a whole different ball-game, and confirmed as such in the sequel. The rest of the series' magic broadly follows MagicAIsMagicA -- there is internal consistency, and magic has to do business with the laws of physics. Raw chaos magic, on the other hand, allows the wielder to do more or less anything they can think of, as long as they have enough power and focus (and don't mind potential side-effects side effects like generating deadly radiation when transmuting elements, or potentially ripping holes in reality).



* ''Fanfic/EquestriaGirlsFriendshipSouls'': Equestrian magic and Soul Reaper and Quincy skills like Kido are noted to be different. When Clover teaches Sunset Shimmer to control her Reiatsu, Sunset learns that her methods for controlling her Unicorn magic don't work, and she needs a different kind of thinking. This actually helps the Humane Seven along with other magic users very well, as [[YinYangBomb combining the two dimensions' powers often produces new and improved game-breaking techniques and abilities.]]

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* ''Fanfic/EquestriaGirlsFriendshipSouls'': Equestrian magic and Soul Reaper and Quincy skills like Kido are noted to be different. When Clover teaches Sunset Shimmer to control her Reiatsu, Sunset learns that her methods for controlling her Unicorn magic don't work, and she needs a different kind of thinking. This actually helps the Humane Seven along with other magic users very well, as [[YinYangBomb combining the two dimensions' powers often produces new and improved game-breaking techniques and abilities.]]abilities]].



* ''Fanfic/FriendshipIsMagicalGirls'': Starscream can harness ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' style alchemy, usually expressed as earth and metal manipulation. The other magical characters have never heard of such a thing.

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* ''Fanfic/FriendshipIsMagicalGirls'': Starscream can harness ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' style ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist''-style alchemy, usually expressed as earth and metal manipulation. The other magical characters have never heard of such a thing.



* ''Fanfic/TheGoodHunter'': In the universe of ''Monster Girl Encyclopedia'' (MGE), every creature should have [[LifeEnergy mana]]. However, the PlayerCharacter of ''VideoGame/BloodBorne'', Cyril, is a literal void. His absence of mana means that he should not be alive and be able to use magic by any means necessary, yet he is obviously alive and is able to use FunctionalMagic in the form of Hunter Tools, assuming he has any in his arsenal (though he is not shown to use any).

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* ''Fanfic/TheGoodHunter'': In the universe of ''Monster Girl Encyclopedia'' (MGE), every creature should have [[LifeEnergy mana]]. However, the PlayerCharacter of ''VideoGame/BloodBorne'', ''VideoGame/{{Bloodborne}}'', Cyril, is a literal void. His absence of mana means that he should not be alive and be able to use magic by any means necessary, yet he is obviously alive and is able to use FunctionalMagic in the form of Hunter Tools, assuming he has any in his arsenal (though he is not shown to use any).



** Jaune's Force-sensitivity is unlike any Semblance that anyone has ever seen. While most Semblances are only a single power, Jaune's connection with the Force gives him access to multiple different abilities like telekinesis, mind-control, enhanced reflexes, CombatClairvoyance, the ability to shoot lightning, and the ability to heal himself. After seeing a recording of Jaune using the Force to shoot lightning and LifeDrain the Grimm, Ozpin compares Jaune's powers to that of the Maidens.

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** Jaune's Force-sensitivity is unlike any Semblance that anyone has ever seen. While most Semblances are only a single power, Jaune's connection with the Force gives him access to multiple different abilities like telekinesis, mind-control, mind control, enhanced reflexes, CombatClairvoyance, the ability to shoot lightning, and the ability to heal himself. After seeing a recording of Jaune using the Force to shoot lightning and LifeDrain the Grimm, Ozpin compares Jaune's powers to that of the Maidens.



* ''Fanfic/MyMiraculousAcademia'': Quirks in ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' often lack RequiredSecondaryPowers, operate on SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome in-practice and theoretically has science to back up how they work. The Miraculous on the other hand are magical in nature and [[SwissArmySuperpower provide their wielders with a grab-bag of super-abilities like enhanced physical abilities]] ''on-top'' of their specialized superpowers. Because of this, people tend to notice the versatility in Izuku's "Quirk" and question just how it all works, from his ability to sprout butterfly wings to how a SuperEmpowering Quirk can alter a person's superhero costume and can turn Kirishima into a ''dragon''.

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* ''Fanfic/MyMiraculousAcademia'': Quirks in ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'' often lack RequiredSecondaryPowers, operate on SurprisinglyRealisticOutcome in-practice and theoretically has science to back up how they work. The Miraculous on the other hand are magical in nature and [[SwissArmySuperpower provide their wielders with a grab-bag of super-abilities like enhanced physical abilities]] ''on-top'' of ''on top of'' their specialized superpowers. Because of this, people tend to notice the versatility in Izuku's "Quirk" and question just how it all works, from his ability to sprout butterfly wings to how a SuperEmpowering Quirk can alter a person's superhero costume and can turn Kirishima into a ''dragon''.



* By the time Izuku enters class 1-A in ''FanFic/ProHeroMetalBat'', Aizawa and Nezu have determined that due to multiple third-party witnesses, genetic tests, physiological tests, hospital records, and more, that they are one hundred percent sure that Izuku does not have a Quirk. They even had Aizawa using his Quirk on Izuku the whole time they were testing him. They still have absolutely no idea how Izuku is able to become superhuman when he gets a hold of a baseball bat, since normal people can't knock holes in concrete, stop giant robots, shrug off bullet wounds, or bat a baseball 2.5 kilometers.

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* By the time Izuku enters class Class 1-A in ''FanFic/ProHeroMetalBat'', Aizawa and Nezu have determined that due to multiple third-party witnesses, genetic tests, physiological tests, hospital records, and more, that they are one hundred percent sure that Izuku does not have a Quirk. They even had Aizawa using his Quirk on Izuku the whole time they were testing him. They still have absolutely no idea how Izuku is able to become superhuman when he gets a hold of a baseball bat, since normal people can't knock holes in concrete, stop giant robots, shrug off bullet wounds, or bat a baseball 2.5 kilometers.



* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13891233/1/Reenacting-a-legend Reenacting a legend]]'': Shirou Emiya baffles the ''High School [=DxD=]'' characters because he can do multiple effects just by saying, "Trace on" and his spells are really fast and don't summon InstantRunes, so they can't predict them. They also notice his power level is miniscule compared to most of them, but he draws mana from the environment instead. Most [=DxD=] characters use the mana in their bodies to perform spells and note that drawing mana from the environment usually requires medium or large scale rituals, but Shirou starts teaching Issei and Saji to try to do it his way.

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13891233/1/Reenacting-a-legend Reenacting a legend]]'': Shirou Emiya baffles the ''High School [=DxD=]'' characters because he can do multiple effects just by saying, "Trace on" and his spells are really fast and don't summon InstantRunes, so they can't predict them. They also notice his power level is miniscule compared to most of them, but he draws mana from the environment instead. Most [=DxD=] ''[=DxD=]'' characters use the mana in their bodies to perform spells and note that drawing mana from the environment usually requires medium or large scale rituals, but Shirou starts teaching Issei and Saji to try to do it his way.



** In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsLegendOfEverfree'', something at the camp causes Sunset Shimmer, Twilight Sparkle, and the Humane Five to gain outright superpowers (like Twilight getting telekinesis and Rainbow Dash getting SuperSpeed). Twilight worries it's her fault, as a residual effect of [[spoiler:her turning into Midnight Sparkle]] in ''Friendship Games'', but the source turns out to be [[spoiler:some sort of magical crystals Gloriosa Daisy found in a cavern.]]

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** In ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsLegendOfEverfree'', something at the camp causes Sunset Shimmer, Twilight Sparkle, and the Humane Five to gain outright superpowers (like Twilight getting telekinesis and Rainbow Dash getting SuperSpeed). Twilight worries it's her fault, as a residual effect of [[spoiler:her turning into Midnight Sparkle]] in ''Friendship Games'', but the source turns out to be [[spoiler:some sort of magical crystals Gloriosa Daisy found in a cavern.]]cavern]].



* ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince'': Unlike in the books, where they had to travel outside of Hogwarts grounds to apparate, in the movie Dumbledore easily apparates himself and Harry to and from the school. Dumbledore acknowledges that the rule still applies to everyone else (except house-elves), but offers no explanation for why he can do it other than simply, "I'm me."

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* ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince'': Unlike in [[Literature/HarryPotter the books, books]], where they had to travel outside of Hogwarts grounds to apparate, in the movie Dumbledore easily apparates himself and Harry to and from the school. Dumbledore acknowledges that the rule still applies to everyone else (except house-elves), but offers no explanation for why he can do it other than simply, simply "I'm me."



** Belgarath the Sorcerer, the most ancient, most experienced, and (Belgarion aside) most powerful practitioner in the world, explains this by revealing that there really are no hard-and-fast rules about what 'The Will and The Word' can and cannot do, with one exception. Specifically, you can't unmake someone else - blowing it up, setting them on fire, that's fine. That's just changing the state of the various particles of their existence. Making them Not Be, on the other hand, is a very different matter. It's basically just a dumbed-down, simplified version of the same power the Gods used to create the world, and the only real limitations lie in the willpower and raw energy of the user.

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** Belgarath the Sorcerer, the most ancient, most experienced, and (Belgarion aside) most powerful practitioner in the world, explains this by revealing that there really are no hard-and-fast rules about what 'The "The Will and The Word' Word" can and cannot do, with one exception. Specifically, you can't unmake someone else - -- blowing it up, setting them on fire, that's fine. That's just changing the state of the various particles of their existence. Making them Not Be, on the other hand, is a very different matter. It's basically just a dumbed-down, simplified version of the same power the Gods used to create the world, and the only real limitations lie in the willpower and raw energy of the user.



** In ''Literature/BattleMagic'', Rosethorn, Briar and Evvy go to Yanjing as the honoured guests of the Emperor. The Emperor and his mages only half-believe that ambient magic exists, know nothing about it and don't really take them seriously. When [[spoiler:they turn against the Emperor, they start battling him in ways he and his armies have never seen.]]

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** In ''Literature/BattleMagic'', Rosethorn, Briar and Evvy go to Yanjing as the honoured guests of the Emperor. The Emperor and his mages only half-believe that ambient magic exists, know nothing about it and don't really take them seriously. When [[spoiler:they turn against the Emperor, they start battling him in ways he and his armies have never seen.]]seen]].



*** This trope is also discussed when [[spoiler:Vin discovers that she can see through "copperclouds", magic stealthing bubbles that are supposed to be completely invulnerable to penetration by Seekers, who can detect whenever magic is cast nearby.]] Thankfully, it isn't a StoryBreakerPower. The trope is subverted, however, in the third book when it's revealed that [[spoiler:[[BloodMagic Hemalurgy]] was affecting her, boosting her power to a higher level (apparently copperclouds aren't an absolute block, only a relative block, and Vin had very strong magic) which even had the side effect of preventing her from using the god of allomancy's magic.]]
*** We're also shown that its possible to break the rules by compounding Allomancy and Feruchemy, [[spoiler:part of the Lord Ruler's attempt at eliminating Feruchemy is to keep people from finding out that his power is merely Allomancy mixed with Feruchemy, letting him store properties like a Feruchemist, then burn the stored properties like an Allomancer to get far more out than he put in.]]

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*** This trope is also discussed when [[spoiler:Vin discovers that she can see through "copperclouds", magic stealthing bubbles that are supposed to be completely invulnerable to penetration by Seekers, who can detect whenever magic is cast nearby.]] nearby]]. Thankfully, it isn't a StoryBreakerPower. The trope is subverted, however, in the third book when it's revealed that [[spoiler:[[BloodMagic Hemalurgy]] was affecting her, boosting her power to a higher level (apparently copperclouds aren't an absolute block, only a relative block, and Vin had very strong magic) which even had the side effect of preventing her from using the god of allomancy's magic.]]
magic]].
*** We're also shown that its possible to break the rules by compounding Allomancy and Feruchemy, [[spoiler:part of the Lord Ruler's attempt at eliminating Feruchemy is to keep people from finding out that his power is merely Allomancy mixed with Feruchemy, letting him store properties like a Feruchemist, then burn the stored properties like an Allomancer to get far more out than he put in.]]in]].



*** All Surgebinding runs on a relatively limited supply of Stormlight, which can only be held in gemstones. Once that Stormlight runs out, they're just ordinary humans again, since there's no way to generate new Stormlight until a highstorm arrives. Lift, however, ignores this limitation, since her gift from the Old Magic lets her [[CastFromCalories transform food she has eaten into Stormlight.]] As long as she can keep eating, she can keep using her powers.

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*** All Surgebinding runs on a relatively limited supply of Stormlight, which can only be held in gemstones. Once that Stormlight runs out, they're just ordinary humans again, since there's no way to generate new Stormlight until a highstorm arrives. Lift, however, ignores this limitation, since her gift from the Old Magic lets her [[CastFromCalories transform food she has eaten into Stormlight.]] Stormlight]]. As long as she can keep eating, she can keep using her powers.



* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'': ''Literature/EqualRites'' has Eskarina Smith, a girl who can do wizard magic in a world where "witch magic" and "wizard magic" are normally [[UnEqualRites divided along gender lines]]. It's not actually impossible for any other magic users, but most others have tradition so ingrained into them that it doesn't occur to them that women can do wizard magic and men can do witch magic - and in a world that [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve runs on belief and narrativum]], that's a stronger block than it might seem. Esk proves to be ''really good'' at it. She can do things like teleport without a counterweight, [[AchievementsInIgnorance simply because no one had told her that it's impossible]].

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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'': ''Literature/EqualRites'' has Eskarina Smith, a girl who can do wizard magic in a world where "witch magic" and "wizard magic" are normally [[UnEqualRites divided along gender lines]]. It's not actually impossible for any other magic users, but most others have tradition so ingrained into them that it doesn't occur to them that women can do wizard magic and men can do witch magic - -- and in a world that [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve runs on belief and narrativum]], that's a stronger block than it might seem. Esk proves to be ''really good'' at it. She can do things like teleport without a counterweight, [[AchievementsInIgnorance simply because no one had told her that it's impossible]].



** House Elves have magic that works differently from wizard magic. Among other things, they can apparate into and out of areas blocked against wizard apparition and can cast powerful spells without wands or incantations. However, they also come with a major RestrainingBolt: They apparently cannot use their magic if it would counteract their master's orders. Due to societal prejudice, most wizards do not take house elf magic into account when planning, making them very useful allies to those who ''do'' take them into account.

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** House Elves House-elves have magic that works differently from wizard magic. Among other things, they can apparate into and out of areas blocked against wizard apparition and can cast powerful spells without wands or incantations. However, they also come with a major RestrainingBolt: They apparently cannot use their magic if it would counteract their master's orders. Due to societal prejudice, most wizards do not take house elf house-elf magic into account when planning, making them very useful allies to those who ''do'' take them into account.



** At one point, Harry's wand saves his life by shooting golden flames at Voldemort all by itself and nobody knows how this is even possible, and some don't even believe him when he recounts this. Wands are not supposed to cast spells on their own. Harry doesn't get a possible explanation for why this happened until [[spoiler:he meets Dumbledore in the afterlife and asks him about it, and Dumbledore theorizes that Harry's wand recognized the owner of its brother and attacked reflexively-- the wand chooses the wizard after all]].

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** At one point, Harry's wand saves his life by shooting golden flames at Voldemort all by itself and nobody knows how this is even possible, and some don't even believe him when he recounts this. Wands are not supposed to cast spells on their own. Harry doesn't get a possible explanation for why this happened until [[spoiler:he meets Dumbledore in the afterlife and asks him about it, and Dumbledore theorizes that Harry's wand recognized the owner of its brother and attacked reflexively-- reflexively -- the wand chooses the wizard after all]].



* In ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', the standard accepted form of magic is channeling the One Power, which is a genetic, sex-segregated [[GeometricMagic geometric]] magic that can do just about anything and in sufficient strength makes a channeler a PersonOfMassDestruction. But popping up in the series are people who can do strange things that are apparently not related to the One Power, such as {{dream walker}}s, [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent wolfbrothers]], Min's AuraVision, and the ability to [[ViolenceDetector smell past deeds of violence]]. Most of these powers have at least a handful of people tied to them, but not so many that most people have heard of it. Because time in the setting is, per the title, cyclical, these are cases of TheMagicComesBack, though there is no remaining record of them having existed and gone away. Combined with the fact that our own world is a past era of the setting, and [[spoiler:Rand's increased RealityWarper power in the ending of the final book]], the suggestion is that the nature of magic changes in some significant way with the passing of every Age. In particular, [[FusionDance Slayer]] and [[HumanoidAbomination Padan Fain]] are stated to be unique entities even in the Pattern, and the first of their kind.

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* In ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', the ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'':
** The
standard accepted form of magic is channeling the One Power, which is a genetic, sex-segregated [[GeometricMagic geometric]] magic that can do just about anything and in sufficient strength makes a channeler a PersonOfMassDestruction. But popping up in the series are people who can do strange things that are apparently not related to the One Power, such as {{dream walker}}s, [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent wolfbrothers]], Min's AuraVision, and the ability to [[ViolenceDetector smell past deeds of violence]]. Most of these powers have at least a handful of people tied to them, but not so many that most people have heard of it. Because time in the setting is, per the title, cyclical, these are cases of TheMagicComesBack, though there is no remaining record of them having existed and gone away. Combined with the fact that our own world is a past era of the setting, and [[spoiler:Rand's increased RealityWarper power in the ending of the final book]], the suggestion is that the nature of magic changes in some significant way with the passing of every Age. In particular, [[FusionDance Slayer]] and [[HumanoidAbomination Padan Fain]] are stated to be unique entities even in the Pattern, and the first of their kind.



*** In one episode, Wizard and Beast accidentally swap [[RingOfPower Rings Of Power]]. Beast's rings work drastically differently in Wizard's hands: while the Dolphin Ring is ''supposed'' to grant healing and swimming ability, instead Wizard can leap into and out of the ground as though it was water; and the Falcon Ring lets Wizard [[OneToMillionToOne dissolve into a mass of feathers to avoid attacks and then re-form]] instead of its normal power of {{Flight}}. Meanwhile, Beast can't even ''use'' Wizard's rings, since he has to insert them into a slot on his belt and the modern ring style won't fit due to being the wrong shape.

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*** In one episode, Wizard and Beast accidentally swap [[RingOfPower Rings Of of Power]]. Beast's rings work drastically differently in Wizard's hands: while the Dolphin Ring is ''supposed'' to grant healing and swimming ability, instead Wizard can leap into and out of the ground as though it was water; and the Falcon Ring lets Wizard [[OneToMillionToOne dissolve into a mass of feathers to avoid attacks and then re-form]] instead of its normal power of {{Flight}}. Meanwhile, Beast can't even ''use'' Wizard's rings, since he has to insert them into a slot on his belt and the modern ring style won't fit due to being the wrong shape.



* ''Podcast/{{Jemjammer}}'': The Ring of Flying that Aelfgifu looted from a mad cleric in [[Literature/{{Dragonlance}} Krynn]] has unwanted side effects when taken out of its sphere of origin, something the gods there are notably capricious about. [[spoiler:It causes her to blink in between her own reality and the Feywild]].

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* ''Podcast/{{Jemjammer}}'': The Ring of Flying that Aelfgifu looted from a mad cleric in [[Literature/{{Dragonlance}} Krynn]] has unwanted side effects when taken out of its sphere of origin, something the gods there are notably capricious about. [[spoiler:It causes her to blink in between her own reality and the Feywild]].Feywild.]]



** ''TabletopGame/DemonTheDescent'': [[DeusEstMachina The God-Machine]]'s understanding of occult and science and its mastery of GambitRoulette is ''so'' advanced, it can combine all 3 to create effects which other Supernaturals in the setting would consider impossible. Yes, that includes [[RealityWarper the Archmasters]].

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** ''TabletopGame/DemonTheDescent'': [[DeusEstMachina The God-Machine]]'s understanding of occult and science and its mastery of GambitRoulette is ''so'' advanced, it can combine all 3 three to create effects which other Supernaturals in the setting would consider impossible. Yes, that includes [[RealityWarper the Archmasters]].



** The [[MachineWorship Adeptus Mechanicus]] knows that technology functions with the help of "machine spirits" that must be placated with chanting, incense, consecrated engine oil, and occasionally a ritualistic tap with a wrench. As such, they find non-humans' technology unnerving at best - [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Ork]] [[ScavengedPunk "teknology"]] appears to work because the greenskins [[PercussiveMaintenance terrorize their machine-spirits into submission]], while the [[TheGreys Tau's]] technology is highly sophisticated, yet the aliens show no reverence for it at all, and treat their devices as mere tools.
** And believe it or not, they might be right. To clarify, the Adeptus Mechanicus believes that machines have within them "machine spirits" (what these are is ambiguous, with the most common interpretation being that they are low level [=AIs=]) that must be appeased in order for them to work properly. The thing is, at least in the mechanicus' case, they might actually be right, with some tales from in universe claiming such things as tanks fighting on after their crew had been killed when properly appeased or weapons firing without their power source, while a machine spirit that has not may well break down or explode on the user at the most inopportune time.

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** The [[MachineWorship Adeptus Mechanicus]] knows that technology functions with the help of "machine spirits" that must be placated with chanting, incense, consecrated engine oil, and occasionally a ritualistic tap with a wrench. As such, they find non-humans' technology unnerving at best - -- [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Ork]] [[ScavengedPunk "teknology"]] appears to work because the greenskins [[PercussiveMaintenance terrorize their machine-spirits into submission]], while the [[TheGreys Tau's]] technology is highly sophisticated, yet the aliens show no reverence for it at all, and treat their devices as mere tools.
** And believe it or not, they might be right. To clarify, the Adeptus Mechanicus believes that machines have within them "machine spirits" (what these are is ambiguous, with the most common interpretation being that they are low level [=AIs=]) [=A.I.s=]) that must be appeased in order for them to work properly. The thing is, at least in the mechanicus' case, they might actually be right, with some tales from in universe claiming such things as tanks fighting on after their crew had been killed when properly appeased or weapons firing without their power source, while a machine spirit that has not may well break down or explode on the user at the most inopportune time.



* ''VideoGame/{{Arknights}}'' has several examples in the Sui siblings, Kjera and [[WebAnimation/TheLegendOfLuoXiaoHei Luo Xiaohei]]. The Sui siblings and Kjera [[spoiler:being [[PiecesOfGod fragments of a Feranmut]]]] wield powers that cannot be attributed to Originium Arts due to their poor Originium Arts assimilation, while Luo Xiaohei's Spirit powers are not native to Terra and garnered curiosity from other operators that tried and failed to learn it.
* ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' has a {{downplayed|Trope}} example: While all games series featured the holy-themed Miracles, offensive spells have always been variations of lightning, such as lightning spears and enchanting weapons with lightning. However a select Miracles associated with the Angelic religion of Lothric, such as Blessed Weapon, Divine Pillars of Light and [[spoiler:Prince Lothric's magic]] are all MUCH more akin to the standard LightEmUp of holy magic, and gameplay wise actually deal ''physical'' damage instead of elemental ones.
* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the opening of a massive HellGate known as the Breach alters the fundamental rules of magic, with effects ranging from the mildly unusual to the theoretically impossible -- [[spoiler:a Tevinter magister discovers ''TimeTravel'', although it's very unstable and he can't go back to before the Breach existed.]] The Rift Mage [[PrestigeClass specialization]] is a nascent school of magic that focuses on manipulating the energies of the Fade in ways that were not previously possible.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Arknights}}'' has several examples in the Sui siblings, Kjera Kjera, and [[WebAnimation/TheLegendOfLuoXiaoHei Luo Xiaohei]]. The Sui siblings and Kjera [[spoiler:being Kjera[[spoiler:, being [[PiecesOfGod fragments of a Feranmut]]]] Feranmut]],]] wield powers that cannot be attributed to Originium Arts due to their poor Originium Arts assimilation, while Luo Xiaohei's Spirit powers are not native to Terra and garnered curiosity from other operators that tried and failed to learn it.
* ''VideoGame/DarkSoulsIII'' has a {{downplayed|Trope}} example: While all games in the ''VideoGame/DarkSouls'' series featured feature the holy-themed Miracles, offensive spells have were always been variations of lightning, [[ShockAndAwe lightning]], such as lightning spears and enchanting weapons with lightning. However However, a select few Miracles associated with the Angelic religion of Lothric, such as Blessed Weapon, Divine Pillars of Light Light, and [[spoiler:Prince Lothric's magic]] magic]], are all MUCH much more akin to the standard LightEmUp depiction of holy magic, and gameplay wise gameplay-wise actually deal ''physical'' damage instead of elemental ones.damage.
* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeInquisition'', the opening of a massive HellGate known as the Breach alters the fundamental rules of magic, with effects ranging from the mildly unusual to the theoretically impossible -- [[spoiler:a Tevinter magister discovers ''TimeTravel'', although it's very unstable and he can't go back to before the Breach existed.]] existed]]. The Rift Mage [[PrestigeClass specialization]] is a nascent school of magic that focuses on manipulating the energies of the Fade in ways that were not previously possible.



* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'': Magic is known to function differently depending on which dimension you're in. Magus, however, is still able to use much of his normal magic despite being from a different dimension. [[spoiler:When he's taken over Elliot's body and so is on the physical plane, anyway]]. Sirleck [[LampshadeHanging calls him out on this]], and Magus implies that [[HandWave he has absolutely no idea]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/comic/2017-11-17 how he's able to.]]
* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'': The setting mostly revolves around {{Mad Scientist}}s called "Sparks". They can twist the laws of physics with nothing but spare wire and a pair of tweezers, but they still require ''some'' kind of catalyst to get stuff done. The England arc however, starts introducing second stage sparks, where the science fiction starts getting a lot softer. Second stage sparks, usually known as "Queens" since the vast majority of them are female, have what are basically PsychicPowers, enabling them to warp reality with just their minds. The Polar Lords, who are just a little bit weaker than the Queens, have almost literal magic powers, explicitly called Arcana.
* TimeTravel in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' follows very strict rules: YouAlreadyChangedThePast, and you must complete the StableTimeLoop under threat of being spun off into a timeline where everyone is going to die, goal unaccomplished. Late into the comic, [[spoiler:John gets a completely different power: the ability to travel through the ''narrative'', which gives him {{Retconjuration}} abilities, as well as the ability to travel between universes instantaneously.]]

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* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'': Magic is known to function differently depending on which dimension you're in. Magus, however, is still able to use much of his normal magic despite being from a different dimension. [[spoiler:When he's taken over Elliot's body and so is on the physical plane, anyway]]. anyway.]] Sirleck [[LampshadeHanging calls him out on this]], and Magus implies that [[HandWave he has absolutely no idea]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/comic/2017-11-17 how he's able to.]]
* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'': The setting mostly revolves around {{Mad Scientist}}s called "Sparks". "Sparks." They can twist the laws of physics with nothing but spare wire and a pair of tweezers, but they still require ''some'' kind of catalyst to get stuff done. The England arc however, starts introducing second stage sparks, where the science fiction starts getting a lot softer. Second stage sparks, usually known as "Queens" since the vast majority of them are female, have what are basically PsychicPowers, enabling them to warp reality with just their minds. The Polar Lords, who are just a little bit weaker than the Queens, have almost literal magic powers, explicitly called Arcana.
* TimeTravel in ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' follows very strict rules: YouAlreadyChangedThePast, and you must complete the StableTimeLoop under threat of being spun off into a timeline where everyone is going to die, goal unaccomplished. Late into the comic, [[spoiler:John gets a completely different power: the ability to travel through the ''narrative'', which gives him {{Retconjuration}} abilities, as well as the ability to travel between universes instantaneously.]]instantaneously]].



* Happens several times in ''Webcomic/TwoKinds''. Originally, the Keidran learned how to use magic by storing Mana in special crystals -- no crystals, no source of magical energy, no spells. Then the Humans appeared, learned the magical arts of the Keidran, and proceeded to break the rules by drawing mana directly from the surrounding environment, usually killing nearby plant-life and small animals in the process. This came with its own drawbacks, namely what happens [[BlackMagic if you kept drawing energy from the land after all the nearby sources ran out]]. They then compensated for THAT by building huge towers that stored enormous amounts of mana that nearby human spellcasters could draw on. Then main character Trace is shown to be capable of using BlackMagic without the usual associated side-effects of 'permanent insanity', instead getting away with nothing more than a temporary UnstoppableRage and a RedRightHand. And finally, the Basitin were well-known to have NO magical power whatsoever... until someone figured out how to break THAT rule, too. (Hint: It was the humans. Humans are really not big on rules, as it turns out.) [[spoiler:Except that Basitin brains can't handle magic and it's a Templar plot to trick the Basitin leadership into lobotomizing themselves.]]

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* Happens several times in ''Webcomic/TwoKinds''. Originally, the Keidran learned how to use magic by storing Mana in special crystals -- no crystals, no source of magical energy, no spells. Then the Humans appeared, learned the magical arts of the Keidran, and proceeded to break the rules by drawing mana directly from the surrounding environment, usually killing nearby plant-life and small animals in the process. This came with its own drawbacks, namely what happens [[BlackMagic if you kept drawing energy from the land after all the nearby sources ran out]]. They then compensated for THAT ''that'' by building huge towers that stored enormous amounts of mana that nearby human spellcasters could draw on. Then main character Trace is shown to be capable of using BlackMagic without the usual associated side-effects side effects of 'permanent insanity', "permanent insanity", instead getting away with nothing more than a temporary UnstoppableRage and a RedRightHand. And finally, the Basitin were well-known to have NO magical power whatsoever... until someone figured out how to break THAT ''that'' rule, too. (Hint: It was the humans. Humans are really not big on rules, as it turns out.) [[spoiler:Except that Basitin brains can't handle magic and it's a Templar plot to trick the Basitin leadership into lobotomizing themselves.]]



*** Amon can rob others of their bending abilities (which only Avatar Aang knew how to do) and resist having his own blood bent by a waterbender. In each instance it's lampshaded that he ''should not'' be able to do these things, though he claims he was [[TouchedByVorlons chosen by the spirits]] and therefore exempt from the normal rules. [[spoiler:Subverted, as when explained it turns out to follow normal bending rules: as noted above he's an immensely powerful waterbender, and robbing others of bending stems from his bloodbending in an implied combination with waterbender medical abilities and/or known techniques that block chi flow and impair bending. A waterbender powerful enough to bloodbend without moving would also logically be able to resist being bloodbent]].

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*** Amon can rob others of their bending abilities (which only Avatar Aang knew how to do) and resist having his own blood bent by a waterbender. In each instance it's lampshaded that he ''should not'' be able to do these things, though he claims he was [[TouchedByVorlons chosen by the spirits]] and therefore exempt from the normal rules. [[spoiler:Subverted, as when explained it turns out to follow normal bending rules: as noted above he's an immensely powerful waterbender, and robbing others of bending stems from his bloodbending in an implied combination with waterbender medical abilities and/or known techniques that block chi flow and impair bending. A waterbender powerful enough to bloodbend without moving would also logically be able to resist being bloodbent]].bloodbent.]]



** Pinkie Pie has her "Pinkie Sense"; odd jitters and twitches connected to some [[SpiderSense odd, unexplained power of premonition]], with specific tics predicting specific events or situations. She also has the ability to be exactly where she needs to be to fill whatever joke she is currently enforcing. For example, in "Green Isn't Your Color" she is always hiding exactly where Twilight Sparkle is whenever Twilight is about to break a promise. She even [[spoiler:''bursts out of Twilight's mouth''.]] This second ability is probably not "magic" ''per se'', but simply a result of Pinkie Pie living under the laws of ToonPhysics. The Season 8 finale even implied that her toon physics ''are'' an actual magic ability; the scene that depicts all the unicorns and alicorns magic returning also has a ball of magic [[https://derpibooru.org/1829858 return to Pinkie Pie's nose]].

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** Pinkie Pie has her "Pinkie Sense"; odd jitters and twitches connected to some [[SpiderSense odd, unexplained power of premonition]], with specific tics predicting specific events or situations. She also has the ability to be exactly where she needs to be to fill whatever joke she is currently enforcing. For example, in "Green Isn't Your Color" she is always hiding exactly where Twilight Sparkle is whenever Twilight is about to break a promise. She even [[spoiler:''bursts out of Twilight's mouth''.]] mouth'']]. This second ability is probably not "magic" ''per se'', but simply a result of Pinkie Pie living under the laws of ToonPhysics. The Season 8 finale even implied that her toon physics ''are'' an actual magic ability; the scene that depicts all the unicorns and alicorns magic returning also has a ball of magic [[https://derpibooru.org/1829858 return to Pinkie Pie's nose]].



** In yet another villainous example, [[EvilCounterpart Starlight]] [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Glimmer]] is a seemingly ordinary unicorn who possesses a personal spell that can both remove a pony's Cutie Mark and replace it with a new one, an equal sign that makes the pony in question no better than the average pony at anything. Previously in the series, Cutie Marks were stated to be mysterious things that just show up on a pony's body after a realization on what made them special. They couldn't be forced upon others, and nothing short of draining a pony's magic was able to remove them. In another example, Starlight Glimmer develops a working means of ''TimeTravel'' for the season 5 finale. As previously seen in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime It's About Time]]", the best available time travel spell only allows one to travel back to the past for a few moments. By tapping into the Cutie Map, Starlight's spell lets her travel into the past whenever and wherever she wishes to change the world by altering the past.

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** In yet another villainous example, [[EvilCounterpart Starlight]] [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill Glimmer]] is a seemingly ordinary unicorn who possesses a personal spell that can both remove a pony's Cutie Mark and replace it with a new one, an equal sign that makes the pony in question no better than the average pony at anything. Previously in the series, Cutie Marks were stated to be mysterious things that just show up on a pony's body after a realization on what made them special. They couldn't be forced upon others, and nothing short of draining a pony's magic was able to remove them. In another example, Starlight Glimmer develops a working means of ''TimeTravel'' for the season Season 5 finale. As previously seen in "[[Recap/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicS2E20ItsAboutTime It's About Time]]", the best available time travel spell only allows one to travel back to the past for a few moments. By tapping into the Cutie Map, Starlight's spell lets her travel into the past whenever and wherever she wishes to change the world by altering the past.



** The heroes usually deal with supernatural menaces, but in "Loathe Thy Neighbor", their clients are an oddball family who live in a house ''full'' of supernatural things. (Kind of a {{pastiche}} of ''Series/TheAddamsFamily'' and ''Series/TheMunsters'') but are troubled by a haunting there. Egon eventually discovers that the problem is not a supernatural being, but a ''paranatural'' being. The difference, as he explains, Supernatural means something that was once human like a ghost, while Paranatural means a being of [[EldritchAbomination completely alien life, not from our world.]]

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** The heroes usually deal with supernatural menaces, but in "Loathe Thy Neighbor", their clients are an oddball family who live in a house ''full'' of supernatural things. (Kind of a {{pastiche}} of ''Series/TheAddamsFamily'' and ''Series/TheMunsters'') but are troubled by a haunting there. Egon eventually discovers that the problem is not a supernatural being, but a ''paranatural'' being. The difference, as he explains, Supernatural means something that was once human like a ghost, while Paranatural means a being of [[EldritchAbomination completely alien life, not from our world.]]world]].



** After TheReveal in [[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E18ASinglePaleRose "A Single Pale Rose"]], it becomes clear that [[spoiler:Pink Diamond was the only one of the Diamonds whose primary abilities could affect organic life, being as she was also Rose Quartz, who had tears capable of resurrecting the dead and considerable GreenThumb powers.]]

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** After TheReveal in [[Recap/StevenUniverseS5E18ASinglePaleRose "A Single Pale Rose"]], it becomes clear that [[spoiler:Pink Diamond was the only one of the Diamonds whose primary abilities could affect organic life, being as she was also Rose Quartz, who had tears capable of resurrecting the dead and considerable GreenThumb powers.]]powers]].

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] finally is strengthened enough does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]] or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, unlike the other Phantom Thieves.]]

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] finally is strengthened enough does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]] or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, unlike the other Phantom Thieves.]]Thieves]]. In a Talk Event at the hideout after all this goes down ("Questions for [[spoiler:Lavenza]]"), Joker and Morgana can inquire about [[spoiler:Erina]] and are told that [[spoiler:she's perhaps best described as an entity with aspects of cognitive beings, Persona, and Shadows all at once, being born from Toshiro's cognition and then subconsciously endowed with his power]].

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* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'': Magic is known to function differently depending on which dimension you're in. Magus, however, is still able to use much of his normal magic despite being from a different dimension. [[spoiler:When he's taken over Elliot's body and so is on the physical plane, anyway]]. Sirleck [[LampshadeHanging calls him out on this]], and Magus implies that [[HandWave he has absolutely no idea]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/comic/2017-11-17 how he's able to.]]



* ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'': Magic is known to function differently depending on which dimension you're in. Magus, however, is still able to use much of his normal magic despite being from a different dimension. [[spoiler:When he's taken over Elliot's body and so is on the physical plane, anyway]]. Sirleck [[LampshadeHanging calls him out on this]], and Magus implies that [[HandWave he has absolutely no idea]] [[http://www.egscomics.com/comic/2017-11-17 how he's able to.]]
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* ''Webcomic/GirlGenius'': The setting mostly revolves around {{Mad Scientist}}s called "Sparks". They can twist the laws of physics with nothing but spare wire and a pair of tweezers, but they still require ''some'' kind of catalyst to get stuff done. The England arc however, starts introducing second stage sparks, where the science fiction starts getting a lot softer. Second stage sparks, usually known as "Queens" since the vast majority of them are female, have what are basically PsychicPowers, enabling them to warp reality with just their minds. The Polar Lords, who are just a little bit weaker than the Queens, have almost literal magic powers, explicitly called Arcana.
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* Whatever Izuku's Quirk is in ''Fanfic/TurningANewLeaf'', Quirk-science and associated medical machinery can't seem to pinpoint ''what'' exactly it is. As the fic goes on, there are various interested parties -- all of which having [[AnimalThemedSuperbeing animal-based Quirks]] -- who are keeping a close eye on him, implying that there is more to Izuku's Quirk than what it seems. [[spoiler:It's later revealed that Izuku doesn't have a Quirk--he's an actual Tanuki, and the aforementioned interested parties are fellow Youkai.]]

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* Whatever Izuku's Quirk is in ''Fanfic/TurningANewLeaf'', Quirk-science and associated medical machinery can't seem to pinpoint ''what'' exactly it is. As the fic goes on, there are various interested parties -- all of which having [[AnimalThemedSuperbeing animal-based Quirks]] -- who are keeping a close eye on him, implying that there is more to Izuku's Quirk than what it seems. [[spoiler:It's later revealed that Izuku doesn't have a Quirk--he's Quirk -- he's an actual Tanuki, and the aforementioned interested parties are fellow Youkai.]]



** At one point, Harry's wand saves his life by shooting golden flames at Voldemort all by itself and nobody knows how this is even possible, and some don't even believe him when he recounts this. Wands are not supposed to cast spells on their own. Harry doesn't get a possible explanation for why this happened until [[spoiler:he meets Dumbledore in the afterlife and asks him about it, and Dumbledore theorizes that Harry's wand recognized the owner of its brother and attacked reflexively-- the wand chooses the wizard after all.]]

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** At one point, Harry's wand saves his life by shooting golden flames at Voldemort all by itself and nobody knows how this is even possible, and some don't even believe him when he recounts this. Wands are not supposed to cast spells on their own. Harry doesn't get a possible explanation for why this happened until [[spoiler:he meets Dumbledore in the afterlife and asks him about it, and Dumbledore theorizes that Harry's wand recognized the owner of its brother and attacked reflexively-- the wand chooses the wizard after all.]]all]].



** Bella breaks the rules that the Australian mermaids are familiar with, though this is more obvious to the audience than it is to the characters, and is likely a result of using a different Moon Pool. For one thing, she transformed seconds after entering the Irish Moon Pool, while Cleo, Rikki, Emma, Charlotte, Zac, and Evie all had a twelve-hour incubation period after they fell into the Australian Moon Pool, only transforming after noon the next day. For another, Bella didn't gravitate to any of the three standard powers of moving, freezing, or boiling water like the others did-- her powers are derived from manipulating the viscosity of water.
** Every time a [[{{Lunacy}} moonspell]] happens, the mermaid in question has to see the full moon, or a reflection of the full moon, to be affected. She can keep her mind all throughout the night if she never gets a whiff of moonlight. Zac, on the other hand, doesn't even require that-- the moon begins affecting him right after moonrise, even when all moonlight is blocked from reaching him, until he can't stand it any further and goes to face the music.

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** Bella breaks the rules that the Australian mermaids are familiar with, though this is more obvious to the audience than it is to the characters, and is likely a result of using a different Moon Pool. For one thing, she transformed seconds after entering the Irish Moon Pool, while Cleo, Rikki, Emma, Charlotte, Zac, and Evie all had a twelve-hour incubation period after they fell into the Australian Moon Pool, only transforming after noon the next day. For another, Bella didn't gravitate to any of the three standard powers of moving, freezing, or boiling water like the others did-- did -- her powers are derived from manipulating the viscosity of water.
** Every time a [[{{Lunacy}} moonspell]] happens, the mermaid in question has to see the full moon, or a reflection of the full moon, to be affected. She can keep her mind all throughout the night if she never gets a whiff of moonlight. Zac, on the other hand, doesn't even require that-- that -- the moon begins affecting him right after moonrise, even when all moonlight is blocked from reaching him, until he can't stand it any further and goes to face the music.



** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] finally is strengthened enough does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]] or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since a persona's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, unlike the other Phantom Thieves.]]

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] finally is strengthened enough does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]] or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since a persona's an individual's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, unlike the other Phantom Thieves.]]



** Many Pokémon possess type combinations that appear to contradict each other, but few more so than the Mythical Pokémon Volcanion. Who is a [[PlayingWithFire Fire]]/[[MakingASplash Water]] type. It uses its typing to generate powerful steam. An NPC suspects that it has an organ within its body that can instantly vaporize water, but apparently this is completely unheard of in Pokémon biology.

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** Many Pokémon possess type Type combinations that appear to contradict each other, but few more so than the Mythical Pokémon Volcanion. Who is a [[PlayingWithFire Fire]]/[[MakingASplash Water]] type. It uses its typing to generate powerful steam. An NPC suspects that it has an organ within its body that can instantly vaporize water, but apparently this is completely unheard of in Pokémon biology.



* The Power of Words in ''VideoGame/YggdraUnion'' and ''VideoGame/BlazeUnion'', which only Nessiah can utilize. The plot never calls for it to be used, but suffice it to say that the Power of Words ''created'' Magic A, the Tactics Cards. ''VideoGame/BlazeUnion'' treats Nessiah's alleged ability of prophecy the same way, since seeing the future is supposed to be impossible using orthodox magic. [[spoiler:With good reason--Nessiah seems to use the label of "prophet" to his advantage, so that he can plausibly discuss facts and theories that no person who doesn't have a thousand years of observing humans and a literal eye in another country could know.]]

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* The Power of Words in ''VideoGame/YggdraUnion'' and ''VideoGame/BlazeUnion'', which only Nessiah can utilize. The plot never calls for it to be used, but suffice it to say that the Power of Words ''created'' Magic A, the Tactics Cards. ''VideoGame/BlazeUnion'' treats Nessiah's alleged ability of prophecy the same way, since seeing the future is supposed to be impossible using orthodox magic. [[spoiler:With good reason--Nessiah reason -- Nessiah seems to use the label of "prophet" to his advantage, so that he can plausibly discuss facts and theories that no person who doesn't have a thousand years of observing humans and a literal eye in another country could know.]]



** Magic generally follows very strict rules--the BackgroundMagicField only responds to mathematically-precise [[LanguageOfMagic spoken instructions]] from someone who has gone through a complex ritual to activate their magic. That is, unless you're a "tacit caster" and/or an "innate". The only named characters with these traits are Duane and [[spoiler:[[ItRunsInTheFamily his daughter Mikaila]], a PosthumousCharacter]]. Due to the need for careful study to perform magic in the setting, these traits are largely just interesting genetic quirks, though with certain uses or problems associated with them.

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** Magic generally follows very strict rules--the rules -- the BackgroundMagicField only responds to mathematically-precise [[LanguageOfMagic spoken instructions]] from someone who has gone through a complex ritual to activate their magic. That is, unless you're a "tacit caster" and/or an "innate". The only named characters with these traits are Duane and [[spoiler:[[ItRunsInTheFamily his daughter Mikaila]], a PosthumousCharacter]]. Due to the need for careful study to perform magic in the setting, these traits are largely just interesting genetic quirks, though with certain uses or problems associated with them.



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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', conventional magic involves set principles studied by mages over millennia and uses the [[{{Mana}} magicka]] flowing into the world from the realm of Aetherius through the stars and sun. However, certain esoteric powers such as [[MakeMeWannaShout the Thu'um]] and [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame Dwemer]] [[{{Magitek}} technology]] do not play by these rules and confuse those who study conventional magic. These forms of magic use "tonal architecture" to manipulate the "Earth Bones" -- the bodies of the divine beings used to build the world -- making it more akin to [[RealityWarper reality manipulation]] instead of normal magic.

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* In ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'', conventional magic involves set principles studied by mages over millennia and uses the [[{{Mana}} magicka]] flowing into the world from the realm of Aetherius through the stars and sun. However, certain esoteric powers such as [[MakeMeWannaShout [[SuperScream the Thu'um]] and [[OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame Dwemer]] [[{{Magitek}} technology]] do not play by these rules and confuse those who study conventional magic. These forms of magic use "tonal architecture" to manipulate the "Earth Bones" -- the bodies of the divine beings used to build the world -- making it more akin to [[RealityWarper reality manipulation]] instead of normal magic.



** ''VideoGame/Persona5'': In the UpdatedRerelease, ''Persona 5 Royal'', [[spoiler:Maruki]] has both a Palace and a Persona, which were thought to be mutually exclusive, much to the confusion of the Phantom Thieves. The Palace developed first, and then they awakened a Persona, which is still technically in line with what's said to be possible, meaning that while Persona users can't develop Palaces, Palace owners can awaken a Persona. Interestingly, the fact that the Thieves Den in ''Royal'' is called My Palace in Japanese would suggest such an oddity is also in play for [[PlayerCharacter Joker]], though the feature's canonicity is never addressed.

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In the UpdatedRerelease, ''Persona 5 Royal'', [[spoiler:Maruki]] has both a Palace and a Persona, [[FightingSpirit Persona]], which were thought to be mutually exclusive, much to the confusion of the Phantom Thieves. The Palace developed first, and then they awakened a Persona, which is still technically in line with what's said to be possible, meaning that while Persona users can't develop Palaces, Palace owners can awaken a Persona. Interestingly, the fact that the Thieves Den in ''Royal'' is called My Palace in Japanese would suggest such an oddity is also in play for [[PlayerCharacter Joker]], though the feature's canonicity is never addressed.



** ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'': Morgana is very confused when Sophia summons Pithos for the first time. It ''acts'' like a [[FightingSpirit Persona]], but comes out of nowhere. Sophia was only copying the actual Persona users and does not know what a Persona is. Pithos' stat screen adds to the confusion -- unlike any Persona it has no [[TarotMotifs Arcana]] and its Skills have question marks at the end of their names. [[spoiler:Sophia eventually has a proper awakening after studying the heart and Pithos becomes a normal Persona, Pandora, gaining an Arcana (Hope) and losing the question marks in the process.]]

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** ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'': Morgana is very confused when Sophia summons Pithos for the first time. It ''acts'' like a [[FightingSpirit Persona]], Persona, but comes out of nowhere. Sophia was only copying the actual Persona users and does not know what a Persona is.is (being [[RobotGirl a sentient computer program]] that lacks a heart). Pithos' stat screen adds to the confusion -- unlike any Persona it has no [[TarotMotifs Arcana]] and its Skills have question marks at the end of their names. [[spoiler:Sophia eventually has a proper awakening after studying the heart and Pithos becomes a normal Persona, Pandora, gaining an Arcana (Hope) and losing the question marks in the process.]]
** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'': In the third Kingdom, the Phantom Thieves encounter [[spoiler:Shadow Toshiro]], who attempts to [[spoiler:snuff out Erina in order to crush his other self's spirit]]. Given that the cognitive beings in the previous two Kingdoms are [[spoiler:reflections of people the real Toshiro knew throughout his life]], one would expect that [[spoiler:Erina is simply another such being in the form of Toshiro's close friend from his high school days, Eri Natshuhara]]. Instead, it turns out that [[spoiler:Erina, though indeed based on Eri due to the strong impression she left on Toshiro, is actually the embodiment of Toshiro's hope manifested from the spark of rebellion in his heart and -- more importantly -- the unawakened form of ''his Persona'', and when [[HeroicWillpower his resolve]] finally is strengthened enough does she fully take on the role, becoming Ernesto]]. While oddball occurrences have popped up from time to time in previous games (such as [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona3 Metis being the embodiment of Aigis' rejected emotions yet having access to her own Persona]]]] or [[spoiler:[[VideoGame/Persona5 Futaba meeting her own Shadow before it becomes Necronomicon]]]]), this ''completely'' flies in the face of previously established conventions about [[spoiler:Personas]], as not only are [[spoiler:Toshiro and Erina able to exist independently of one another while the latter isn't "in use"]], [[spoiler:but Toshiro uses Ernesto to directly fight Shadow Toshiro -- something that logically shouldn't be possible since a persona's Persona ''is'' their Shadow. And despite gaining a mask when Erina awakens, Toshiro's outfit doesn't change after removing it, unlike the other Phantom Thieves.
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