History Main / StopHavingFunGuys

Yep, that's right, he's the opposite of the {{Scrub}}, [[NotSoDifferent but just as annoying]].

The gamer equivalent of the ArrogantKungFuGuy. He's a HardCore gamer, plays in all [[TournamentPlay tournaments]], and knows everything about how to play. He knows ''all'' the secret moves (even the glitches), the most effective strategies, and the quickest ways to completely destroy his opponent. He's completely "above" the mantra of casual play: He doesn't play just for fun, he plays to ''win''. He's good, and he knows it. In fact, [[{{Jerkass}} he can just be a douche about it]].

This kind of player is good, and there's nothing wrong with that. But he's also extremely arrogant. He's completely intolerant of play styles other than his own. If you challenge his beliefs, he'll automatically call you a {{Noob}}, a {{Scrub}}, or something similar. Anyone who doesn't play like him instantly simply doesn't know as much as he. Like it's counterpart, the Scrub, probably this kind of player won't listen to logic or facts. It's either agree or be wrong. Expect this to cause a big, annoying, but sometimes amusing, Pro-{{Scrub}} FlameWar.

Like the {{Scrub}}, this kind of player takes the "pro" mentality to an annoying extreme (generally giving other tournament players a bad name), while the former takes the casual mentality to an annoying extreme (generally giving other casual players a bad name.) In the real world, there's room for both, and game companies generally try to put something in their games for both sides; see PlayerArchetypes for details.

In the end, what turns the Stop Having Fun Guy as undesirable isn't the rule-setting; it's the attitude. While regular competitive/tournament players simply like playing to win, the Stop Having Fun Guy believes that his way [[SmallNameBigEgo is the only]] '''[[SmallNameBigEgo proper]]''' [[SmallNameBigEgo way to play the game]].

Keep in mind, however, that while pretty much every Stop Having Fun Guy is a {{tournament play}}er, the inverse isn't true. '''Not ''every'' {{tournament play}}er is a Stop Having Fun Guy'''.

See also: {{Scrub}}, SeriousBusiness, FanDumb and InternetBackdraft. The larval form of the SHFG is the {{Munchkin}}. See ItsEasySoItSucks for the mentality that sometimes results from the single-player form of this. The ChallengeGamer is a more easygoing variant of this, which favors more... indirect methods of competition. (The High Scores table, of course.)

* Do not request for no CD patches for a game. Ever. Apparently if you wish to play the game without the hassle of swapping discs then you're a baby eating child raping thrill killing monster.
* {{Nintendo}} take a similar view on emulation. Doesn't matter if you have an old cartridge of ''SuperMarioBrothers'', they would dearly like to make the use of old, out of stock games punishable by death.
* Try to chat with people about anything other than the game. "You're here to ''talk''? Go join a chat room!"

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* You can expect to be lambasted by many a rock music fan if you enjoy hip-hop, country, dance or anything that isn't considered "real" music by them. Even worse, every genre and sub-genre of music has its own share of elitists telling you what is and isn't appropriate to listen to. God forbid you enjoy any mainstream hip-hop artists, or don't particularly care for the underground/lyrical rapper types, because if so you are part of the people who are killing "real hip-hop" and don't know what true rap is all about.
** Fans of older music such as the Rolling Stones or the Beatles will lambast others for listening to modern music and modern music fans will likewise lambast older music fans for not liking new stuff. Ok, maybe the older music fan just reall likes earlier musical movements over the newer ones and the modern music fan happens to genuinely enjoy modern music ok people?
*** Saying that, Beatles and Stones fans will constantly berate each other for being fans of the other. Get over it guys, they were huge fans of each other that covered each other's music even.
* Another music genre that seems to be almost everyone's AcceptableTarget is metal. Especially that which may be found on [[http://metal-archives.com Encyclopaedia Metallum]]. Tell anyone that you're into such music, and you ''will'' be bombarded with "randomly slamming on drums and belching into a microphone isn't ''real'' music!!" and "how can you listen to anything you can't understand!?"[[hottip:* : Perplexingly, no other genre gets this complaint as if everything else used perfectly clean vocals; WallBanger indeed.]]. And this preludes the accusations of being a church-burning Satanist, Wiccan weirdo, virgin who plays Dungeons & Dragons, scary loner likely to shoot up a high school, or all of the above. If you like metal, your best bet is to treat it as an embarrassing secret and keep your fucking head down; to do otherwise would be social suicide.
** HeavyMetal itself isn't immune of this trope, with the "[[FanDumb True Metalheads]]" bashing NuMetal, HardRock and *core fans among other genres. The exceptions for this bashing may be at best ThrashMetal, DeathMetal, BlackMetal and classic 80s HeavyMetal. Oh, and they will '''hate''' you for liking, among other things, ''[[IronMaiden "The X Factor", "Virtual XI"]], [[{{Megadeth}} "Risk"]], [[{{Nightwish}} "Dark Passion Play"]], [[{{Metallica}} "Load", "ReLoad", "St. Anger"]],'' {{Helloween}}'s [[ReplacementScrappy Andi Deris]]'s era stuff, {{Pantera}}'s pre-Nineties stuff, and many other things.
* Art in general tends to attract this trope, mostly thanks to the TrueArt tropes that can be at play.
* Film preference can be bad about this. Fan or lover of a {{BFM}}? You're a LowestCommonDenominator [[ItsPopularNowItSucks with no real taste or idea]] of what separates the [[TrueArt real stuff]] from those {{ClicheStorm}}s that Hollywood belches out... And yes, it even happens here on TVTropes.
* ''Certain'' {{canon}} purists when it comes to {{fanfic}}. Most canon sticklers will give plenty of leeway when it stories that take place "between the scenes" or that play around but still remain canon-compliant. They give even more leeway if the story is marked as an [[AlternateUniverseFic AU]] as long as canon isn't completely [[CanonDefilement defiled]]. However there is a certain group that will have none of that. Fanfic stories must adhere strictly to canon and never deviate from what has been explicitly presented. For example, a canon purist who is also a Stop Having Fun Guy will flame an author for describing a character's home or having him go there because this home never appeared on any episode of the show, which defeats the point of making a fanfic in the first place. But when a fic follows canon ''too'' closely, they bitch that ItsTheSameNowItSucks.
** Hell, just writing fanfic, period, is enough. For every ten fanfic enthusiasts, there's one SHFG whining that they should be writing original fiction instead. Stop having hobbies I don't approve of, guys!
* Any time a thread is started about anything religious/paranormal/UFO/conspiratorial/or creepy-pasta related among said enthusiasts tends to attract condescending, skeptical know-it-alls who insist on making it very clear to you that it's not real/fake/hoax, etc... and that you're a dumb ass for discussing and believing in such things.
* Whenever a comic book character is adopted into television or movie form, there will be legions of angry fanboys screaming about ''every. single. detail'' that differs even ''slightly'' from the comics. For examples, see: ''{{Smallville}}'', ''The {{X-Men}} Trilogy'', eh, virtually ''EVERY'' onscreen adaptation of a comic book character will have an army of {{StopHavingFunGuys}} flaming the people who enjoy it.
* There exist in this world people who believe in the "correct" way to watch StarTrek, or indeed any other film or show. They may not agree with one another as to whether it is appropriate, when watching a RubberForeheadAlien die slowly and emotionally, to laugh out loud at his forehead, but whichever they do they will be ready to insult people who don't.
* AutoTune. Stop enjoying yourself by distorting your voices for aesthetic effect, artists!
** Using it for aesthetic effect is not the main use of AutoTune. In more professional circles, the bigger issue is most people using AutoTune are using it improperly. Most people using it are using it to pitch correct notes. If it is used properly, no one should know AutoTune was used. People obviously using AutoTune, but not using it for effect tend to be the ones that get ridicule. Of course, in amateur and fan circles most of the AutoTune hatred is FanDumb.
* Older people expressing an interest in activities or forms of entertainment that are more commonly associated with kids or teenagers are routinely belittled as being losers, immature, creepy, etc. Once you turn twenty five, you are apparently no longer permitted to enjoy cartoons, video games, cosplay, fanfiction, anime, Halloween or anything else that has been arbitrarily designated as "kids/teens only." The only way you're allowed to enjoy such things unironically is vicariously through a kid, either yours or one that you "borrowed" so you'd have an excuse to do "kid stuff." Stop having fun, old guys, lest someone label you a stunted deviant that won't grow up because you own a PS3. And never mind that the people who created the material for consumption by kids only are usually in their late twenties, thirties, or even *GASP!* their forties (my God, why are people allowed to live to that age???).
* This is the attitude of many NaNoWriMo haters, who seem to have the mindset of, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint "You if you can't write a PERFECT novel in 30 days, you shouldn't bother!"]]
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* Do not request for no cd patches for a game. Ever. Apparently if you wish to play the game without the hassle of swapping discs then you're a baby eating child raping thrill killing monster.

* TVTropes is unfortunately starting to become this way, from image vigilantes going after JustAFaceAndACaption to {{Natter}} nuking ConversationInTheMainPage, some see it as misguided attempts to clean up the wiki that suck the fun out of the place. The fact that the StopHavingFunGuys attitudes are now official policy makes it that much worse.

* Several years back, a tournament-level player by the name of David Sirlin wrote an article called "[[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html Playing To Win]]," which contrasted [[{{Scrub}} scrubs]] and [[{{tournament play}} tournament players]] with little middle ground. The article made some good points, but the tone made it the poster-child of {{Stop Having Fun Guys}} for years. More recently, he followed it up with [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win.html Not Playing To Win]], a limited defense of casual play.

In the end, what turns the Stop Having Fun Guy as undesirable isn't the rule-setting; it's the attitude. While regular competitive/tournament players simply like playing to win, the Stop Having Fun Guy believes that his way [[FanDumb is the only]] '''[[FanDumb proper]]''' [[FanDumb way to play the game]].

The gamer equivalent of the ArrogantKungFuGuy. He's a HardCore gamer, plays in all [[TournamentPlay tournaments]], and knows everything about how to play. He knows ''all'' the secret moves (even the glitches), the most effective strategies, and the quickest ways to completely destroy his opponent. He's completely "above" the mantra of casual play: He doesn't play just for fun, he plays to ''win''. He's good, and he knows it; he can just be a douche about it.

This kind of player is good. But he is also extremely arrogant. He's completely intolerant of play styles other than his own. If you challenge his beliefs, he'll automatically call you a {{Noob}}, a {{Scrub}}, or something similar. Anyone who doesn't play like him instantly simply doesn't know as much as he. Much like the Scrub, the player probably won't be listening to logic or facts. It's either agree or be wrong. Expect this to cause a big annoying (but sometimes amusing) Pro-{{Scrub}} FlameWar.

Yep, that's right, he's the opposite of the {{Scrub}}...

...[[NotSoDifferent but just as annoying]].

This kind of player takes the "pro" mentality to an annoying extreme (generally giving other tournament players a bad name), while the Scrub takes the casual mentality to an annoying extreme (generally giving other casual players a bad name.) In the real world, there's room for both, and game companies generally try to put something in their games for both sides; see PlayerArchetypes for details.

What ultimately makes the Stop Having Fun Guy undesirable isn't the rule-setting; it is the attitude. What distinguishes the Stop Having Fun Guy from a regular competitive/tournament player who simply likes playing to win is that the Stop Having Fun Guy believes that his way is the only '''proper''' way to play the game.

Keep in mind, however, that while most StopHavingFunGuys are {{Tournament Play}}ers, '''not ''all'' the {{Tournament Play}}ers are StopHavingFunGuys'''.

Is a specific subspecies of FanHaters, who dislike/condescend to "casual" gamers who don't play the same way they do. Also mixes with ComplacentGamingSyndrome where the players use only one or two characters/strategies/levels to make winning easier.

See also: {{Scrub}}, SeriousBusiness, FanDumb and InternetBackdraft. The larval form of this (which can also lead to this trope) is the {{Munchkin}}. See ItsEasySoItSucks for the mentality that sometimes results from the single-player form of this. The ChallengeGamer is a more easygoing variant of this, which favors more... indirect methods of competition. (We're referring to the High Scores table, of course.)

Keep personal tales to [[TroperTales/StopHavingFunGuys Troper Tales]], and remember: this '''is not''' about a person preferring/only using a particular or rigid playstyle, that's ComplacentGamingSyndrome. This trope is about these same persons criticizing others for not sticking to their style. Another trope which is often wrongly labelled as this is the RulesLawyer.

* TVTropes is unfortunately starting to become this way, from image vigilantes going after JustAFaceAndACaption to {{Natter}} nuking ConversationInTheMainPage, some see it as misguided attempts to clean up the wiki that suck the fun out of the place. The fact that the StopHavingFunGuys attitudes are now official policy makes it that much worse.

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* There exist in this world people who believe in the "correct" way to watch StarTrek, or indeed any other film or show. They may not agree with one another as to whether it is appropriate, when watching a RubberForeheadAlien die slowly and emotionally, to laugh out loud at his forehead, but whichever they do they will be ready to insult people who don't.hhttp://badwebcomics.wikidot.com/ttp://badwebcomics.wikidot.com/

** You must use the [[ComplacentGamingSyndrome autoshotgun]]! If you pick the assault rifle or (God forbid) the hunting rifle, [[SarcasmMode you're hurting your team so much you may as well be teamkilling]]. (Amusingly enough, many people consider the hunting rifle, and its big brother the military sniper rifle, some of the best guns in the sequel.)
** Just try playing a pub Versus game and not exploiting glitches such as getting pushed through walls or "shiva stacking" (huddling in a corner during zombie rushes, making you all but invincible). You will be booted so fast your head will spin.

** Just try playing a pug Versus game and not exploiting glitches such as getting pushed through walls or "shiva stacking" (huddling in a corner during zombie rushes, making you all but invincible). You will be booted so fast your head will spin.

** Most of time you are jsut kicked out without giving a reason. You are left wondering why, as asking for explanation does nothing. If you are lucky, you are called "n00b" or "[[WallBanger you have less than X amount of playing time, learn to play]]".

* TVTropes is unfortunately starting to become this way, from image vigilantes going after JustAFaceAndACaption to {{Natter}} nuking ConversationInTheMainPage, some see it as misguided attempts to clean up the wiki that suck the fun out of the place. The fact that the StopHavingFunGuys attitudes are now official policy makes it that much worse.

* Other ways [[StopHavingFunGuys to have other people call you a noob]] in Civilization online: Custom name your cities, chat in the chat box, set the turn timer for ANYTHING under blazing speed, and trying for any victory that doesn't involve military force.

** They also whined a lot during the ''Burning Crusade'' and ''Wrath of The Lich King'' major class revamps, commenting the game becoming too easy to play for noobs with little skills that can play with little or no addons. They seem to forget that even with the new changes, it is still require some skill to play some classes, not to deny players have to incorporate the new abilities and changes in their gameplay.

** When the Cataclysm talent changes came out October 12th, there were three kinds of reactions: the people who rejoiced at the talent changes from the get-go (Priests and a few specialties from other classes), the people who were cautiously cynical (Death Knights and some other specs), and those who cried RuinedForever (Other melee classes, Hunters, and most long-time players). Guess who's loudest on Trade chat?

* TVTropes is unfortunately starting to become this way, from image vigilantes going after JustAFaceAndACaption to {{Natter}} nuking ConversationInTheMainPage, some see it as misguided attempts to clean up the wiki that suck the fun out of the place.

* Unintentionally played in [[http://badwebcomics.wikidot.com/ this site]]. - The contributors of this site enjoy taking down popular comics a notch, in their own opinion.

-Professor Frink, ''TheSimpsons'', "The PTA Disbands"