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* If you are having trouble beating a certain part of a video game, do not ask for help anywhere on the internet. The only responses you will ever get are people telling you that you suck and bragging about being able to do that part in their sleep.
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* The Search and Destroy game-type tends to breed this kind of behaviour. It doesn't help that it plays like CounterStrike. Often it's best to just skip onto another game-type, as the matching service will keep dumping you back in there.

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* ** The Search and Destroy game-type tends to breed this kind of behaviour. It doesn't help that it plays like CounterStrike. Often it's best to just skip onto another game-type, as the matching service will keep dumping you back in there.
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** The general community also gets pretty vocal about weapon loadouts. No matter how balanced a set of alternative weapons may be, one of them will always be the infinitely superior choice and you must have it equipped at all times. God forbid anyone ever uses the Backburner or the Bonesaw in public. They will be promptly shat on and told at length how much better one of the other choices is.
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* Very true in the ''FinalFantasyTactics'' series. Using a Gadgeteer/Tinker? You're an idiot for using a "garbage" class. No matter how much you try to defend your decisions on what classes you use and how you use them, the "expert" players will just lecture you on how the other classes are so much better than what you use, despite the fact that Advance and A2 are pretty easy to beat with almost any class set up you use.

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* ** Very true in the ''FinalFantasyTactics'' series. Using a Gadgeteer/Tinker? You're an idiot for using a "garbage" class. No matter how much you try to defend your decisions on what classes you use and how you use them, the "expert" players will just lecture you on how the other classes are so much better than what you use, despite the fact that Advance and A2 are pretty easy to beat with almost any class set up you use.
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* If you play ''any'' game in the ''FireEmblem'' series, you'd better not go on any fan forums and mention using any character that isn't [[CharacterTiers high tier]], and you better not say you didn't use a god tier character. If you do, expect to get flamed about why "X is terrible, Y is so much better" and "You're such a noob for not using Z".
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Metal is bad, m'kay?

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** Another music genre that seems to be almost everyone's AcceptableTarget is metal. Especially that which may be found on [[http://metal-archives.com Encyclopaedia Metallum]]. Tell anyone that you're into such music, and you ''will'' be bombarded with "randomly slamming on drums and belching into a microphone isn't ''real'' music!!" and "how can you listen to anything you can't understand!?"[[hottip:*: Perplexingly, no other genre gets this complaint as if everything else used perfectly clean vocals; WallBanger indeed.]]. And this preludes the accusations of being a church-burning Satanist, Wiccan weirdo, virgin who plays Dungeons & Dragons, scary loner likely to shoot up a high school, or all of the above. If you like metal, your best bet is to treat it as an embarrassing secret and keep your fucking head down; to do otherwise would be social suicide.
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Zapping take that.


** RockBand fans get one up on the SHFGs: the new version will teach to play proper guitar, and it taught basic singing, drums and now keyboard anyway. [[TakeThat We'll start booking live shows when the top FPS clans sign up for the]] [[SemperFi Marines]].

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** RockBand fans get one up on the SHFGs: the new version will teach to play proper guitar, and it taught basic singing, drums and now keyboard anyway. [[TakeThat We'll start booking live shows when the top FPS clans sign up for the]] [[SemperFi Marines]].
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** RockBand fans get one up on the SHFGs: the new version will teach to play proper guitar, and it taught basic singing, drums and now keyboard anyway. [[TakeThat We'll start booking live shows when the top FPS clans sign up for the]] [[SemperFi Marines]].
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* [[''Mass Effect'']] has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're a retard. Didn't keep the Collector base? You must die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!

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* [[''Mass Effect'']] ''Mass Effect'' has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're a retard. Didn't keep the Collector base? You must die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!
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* ''Mass Effect'' has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're a retard. Didn't keep the Collector base? You must die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!

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* ''Mass Effect'' [[''Mass Effect'']] has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're a retard. Didn't keep the Collector base? You must die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!
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*''Mass Effect'' has a notorious amount of SHFG. Didn't kill the Rachni queen without metagaming? You're a retard. Didn't keep the Collector base? You must die. Saved the Council? Get off the forum!
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** EVERYONE loathes the Fal, considering it to be the worst weapon in the game. Its also the best weapon in the game if you have a hand that actualy works.
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**On a very similar note, Blizzard has announced that in the upcoming expansion, Cataclysm, Battleground PvP, most often considered by SHFG's to be a complete and total waste of arena time, is going to provide rewards at least on par with Arena gear. As can be expected, posting about it on ANY Arena forums is a bad idea.
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*** It should be noted that GearScore ''is not'' an in-game attribute, but a UI mod that assigns scores to equippable items and tallies your scores up to determine how well-geared you are. It's basically a tool to allow StopHavingFunGuys to be lazy about their elitism.

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*** It should be noted that GearScore [=GearScore=] ''is not'' an in-game attribute, but a UI mod that assigns scores to equippable items and tallies your scores up to determine how well-geared you are. It's basically a tool to allow StopHavingFunGuys to be lazy about their elitism.
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*** It should be noted that GearScore ''is not'' an in-game attribute, but a UI mod that assigns scores to equippable items and tallies your scores up to determine how well-geared you are. It's basically a tool to allow StopHavingFunGuys to be lazy about their elitism.
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** After two and a half years of being horribly mischaracterized for pointing out the same things about [[{{Scrub}} scrubs]] that the [=TVTropes=] article does, he proceeded to post up a follow-up labeled [[http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-3-not-playing-to-win.html Not Playing To Win]] which called out StopHavingFunGuys for... pretty much exactly the same thing we call them out for. He's still viewed so badly around these parts that [[HateDumb the above paragraph remains part of the page]].
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** A fairly recent example: Competitive leagues have recently decided they're removing the Sandman (a scout bat which also hits a baseball to stun people), Natasha (A heavy minigun which slows targets down when shot), and the Wrangler (an engineer pistol replacement allowing them to take control of their sentry gun from their next season. While, regardless of the backlash, many people have spoken up and give good reasons (or [[YourMilageMayVary not-so-good ones]]), others have decided just to say "I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR OR BALANCED BECAUSE I SAID SO SO IT SUCKS REMOVE IT".
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** Interestingly, the character of Seto Kaiba from the original Yu-Gi-Oh story (who is himself an example of this trope) was inspired by one of these. [[WordOfGod according to the author]] he had once asked a friend to teach him how to play a TCG, but his friend said "Come back when you've collected 10,000 cards."

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* The biggest, and perhaps most [[MemeticMutation goofy]] of all fighting games' [=SHFG=] goes to the ''entire'' SuperSmashBros series. Despite all the ways that this game can be played on both the goofball mess fests and serious 1 on 1 duels, a lot of the serious players seem to heavily focus on the Tournament Level, which focuses on not using items and playing very static stages. While there is nothing wrong with this style of play, it isn't how everyone likes to play, per say. None the less, a quick stop to any Smash Forum [[InternetBackdraft and asking up the idea of "how do you play" is not really a good idea...]] m'kay...
** This is lovingly [[http://legendaryfrog.deviantart.com/art/Hardcorez-75608753 drawn out in this LegendaryFrog comic]].

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* The biggest, and perhaps most [[MemeticMutation goofy]] of all fighting games' [=SHFG=] goes to the ''entire'' SuperSmashBros series. Despite all the ways that this game can be played on both the goofball mess fests and serious 1 on 1 duels, a lot of the serious players seem to heavily focus on the Tournament Level, which focuses on not using items and playing very static stages. While there is nothing wrong with this style of play, it isn't how everyone likes to play, per say. None the less, a quick stop to any Smash Forum [[InternetBackdraft and asking up the idea of "how do you play" is not really a good idea...]] m'kay...
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This is lovingly [[http://legendaryfrog.deviantart.com/art/Hardcorez-75608753 drawn out in this LegendaryFrog comic]].

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* ''DanceDanceRevolution'' players can be easily separated into two types: those who support their weight with the safety bar [[ChallengeGamer to achieve the highest score]], and those who [[SelfImposedChallenge adamantly refuse to do so]] because they think [[{{Scrub}} it's more fun that way]]. Both groups are equally vocal and equally annoying. Some in the anti-bar camp will heckle or even outright smack the hand of any player whom they see reaching for the bar. Even if the player is trying to beat [[ThatOneBoss That One Song]] or play [[HarderThanHard Oni Mode]] (where you have to play 5+ songs in a row without breaks, and missing 4 steps out of 300+ on any one song will fail you and end your game on the spot).
* Similar but lesser hate can be directed as a player who uses speed mods or Solo/Note to make reading stepcharts easier. [[WallBanger Even though Solo is a default option on some of the older versions]].

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* ''DanceDanceRevolution'' (along with its counterparts PumpItUp and InTheGroove) have similar issues throughout:
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players can be easily separated into two types: those who support their weight with the safety bar it [[ChallengeGamer to achieve the highest score]], and those who [[SelfImposedChallenge adamantly refuse to do so]] because they think [[{{Scrub}} it's more fun that way]]. Both groups are equally vocal and equally annoying. Some in the anti-bar camp will heckle or even outright smack the hand of any player whom they see reaching for the bar. Even if the player is trying to beat [[ThatOneBoss That One Song]] or play [[HarderThanHard Oni Mode]] (where you have to play 5+ songs in a row without breaks, and missing 4 steps out of 300+ on any one song will fail you and end your game on the spot).
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spot) or Survival Mode (instead of missing 4 notes max, it becomes a TimedMission with only accurate stepping to keep the timer alive for the most part).
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Similar but lesser hate can be directed as a player who uses speed mods or Solo/Note any built-in noteskins to make reading stepcharts easier. easier, [[WallBanger Even though Solo is a even if some of this noteskins are default option options on some of the games]]. The only possible exception is the Solo modifier on older versions]].DDR arcade releases: due to a bug, if one player chose Solo, both players had to have it on.
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** Ironically, the same could be said for SuperSmashBros Brawl, whose game director deliberately added and removed features to erase tourney-style fighting because they're "not playing it properly". God forbid just letting people play the way they want to play to have fun, they MUST play the way the director wants and nothing else.



**Go to any board period on Gamefaqs. Especially the Final Fantasy boards. I won't name names because many of them are known Tropers as well...



**The previous two examples come from the fact that a lot of the min-max/anti-min-max crowd really only started after the internet came about andyou started getting things like Pun-Pun, and all of those wonderful things, basically it's the {{GIFT}} applied to RealLife



** One has to wonder how the SHFGs are going to respond now that Rock Band 3 (and another, new franchise whose name escapes me; it doesn't matter, it's going to bomb) is going to be playable with real instruments. My guess, they'll start complaining that people aren't booking real venues and playing to live audiences.
*** Ah what's that? Why arn't Rock Band gamers wholearnt to play the guitar playing at concerts? Well where are the Modern Warfare fans working deep cover for the CIA?
** On the flip-side, there are definitely people who ''only'' care about getting the highest score possible. This troper has a friend who's at a pretty high rank on Score Hero and refuses to play with anyone who can't at least 4-star most songs on Expert.
*** Hey, beating [[GuitarHero Through The Fires And Flames]] on expert is [[ThisIsSPARTA SERIOUS! ''FUCKING!!!'' '''BUSINESS!!!!!''']]
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** Ironically, the same could be said for SuperSmashBros Brawl, whose game director deliberately added and removed features to erase tourney-style fighting because they're "not playing it properly". God forbid just letting people play the way they want to play to have fun, they MUST play the way the director wants and nothing else.
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** Some ''actual musicians in bands'' have tried rhythm games and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons [[hottip:*: for example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a "real" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and plucking each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song must fight his or her own muscle memory, similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf.]] One such example appears in ''GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels'', where KISS tries to play ''Detroit Rock City'' on ''Rock Band 2'', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game's fans [[FanDumb to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]

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** Some ''actual musicians in bands'' have tried rhythm games and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons [[hottip:*: for example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a "real" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and plucking pluck each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song must fight his or her own muscle memory, similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf.]] One such example appears in ''GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels'', where KISS tries to play ''Detroit Rock City'' on ''Rock Band 2'', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game's fans [[FanDumb to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]

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* Honorable Mention goes to the various "real musicians" who tell players of games like ''GuitarHero'' and ''Rock Band'' that they should stop playing video games and learn a real instrument, ignoring the fact there are no ModernWarfare fans killing passengers at airports like the infamous ''No Russian'' level, or otherwise stop playing video games and join the real CIA. Most of the time, however, these people fail to realize that these games do not just emulate playing an instrument, but the entire rock star lifestyle, which would normally be extremely improbable to obtain in real life regardless of how well one can play a real guitar. In fact, some ''actual musicians in bands'' have tried rhythm games (and failed simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons) [[FanDumb and have been accused of not being able to play their instruments.]]

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* Honorable Mention goes to the various "real musicians" who tell players of games like ''GuitarHero'' and ''Rock Band'' that they should stop playing video games and learn a real instrument, ignoring the fact there are no ModernWarfare fans killing passengers at airports like the infamous ''No Russian'' level, or otherwise stop playing video games and join the real CIA. Most of the time, however, these people fail to realize that these games do not just emulate playing an instrument, but the entire rock star lifestyle, which would normally be extremely improbable to obtain in real life regardless of how well one can play a real guitar. In fact, some guitar.
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''actual musicians in bands'' have tried rhythm games (and failed and failed, simply because the controllers are different than actual guitars or drums, for a variety of reasons) reasons [[hottip:*: for example, the game might represent a guitar arpeggio by having the player move up and down the neck, while a "real" guitarist would hold one chord the whole time and plucking each string in sequence. Also, an experienced musician playing a familiar song must fight his or her own muscle memory, similar to being HollywoodToneDeaf.]] One such example appears in ''GeneSimmonsFamilyJewels'', where KISS tries to play ''Detroit Rock City'' on ''Rock Band 2'', but fails after only a few seconds. Such encounters often leads the game's fans [[FanDumb and have been accused to accuse the musicians of not being able to play their instruments.]]

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* There are plenty of these in the DungeonFighterOnline universe, especially concerning builds and play styles. If you like playing the normal game at all, then you are a worthless n00b (never mind that thegame isn't really made for PVP). Several skills are considered "useless," and even if you demonstrate how they can be particularly useful, you are derided for picking a "worthless" build. This game is unique because you could have a 100% win record in PVP, yet still be called a bad player if your build has "worthless" skills, no matter how much they helped you win. David Sirlin himself would be derided.


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* There are plenty of these in the ''DungeonFighterOnline'' community, especially concerning builds and play styles. If you like playing the normal game at all, then you are a worthless n00b (never mind that thegame isn't really made for PVP). Several skills are considered "useless," and even if you demonstrate how they can be particularly useful, you are derided for picking a "worthless" build. This game is unique because you could have a 100% win record in PVP, yet still be called a bad player if your build has "worthless" skills, no matter how much they helped you win. David Sirlin himself would be derided.
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* There are plenty of these in the DungeonFighterOnline universe, especially concerning builds and play styles. If you like playing the normal game at all, then you are a worthless n00b (never mind that thegame isn't really made for PVP). Several skills are considered "useless," and even if you demonstrate how they can be particularly useful, you are derided for picking a "worthless" build. This game is unique because you could have a 100% win record in PVP, yet still be called a bad player if your build has "worthless" skills, no matter how much they helped you win. David Sirlin himself would be derided.
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* Whenever a comic book character is adopted into television or movie form, there will be legions of angry fanboys screaming about every. single. detail that differs even ''slightly'' from the comics. For examples, see: {{Smallville}}, The {{X-Men}} Trilogy, eh, virtually ''EVERY'' onscreen adaptation of a comic book character will have an army of {{StopHavingFunGuys}} flaming the people who enjoy it.


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* Whenever a comic book character is adopted into television or movie form, there will be legions of angry fanboys screaming about every.''every. single. detail detail'' that differs even ''slightly'' from the comics. For examples, see: {{Smallville}}, The {{X-Men}} Trilogy, eh, virtually ''EVERY'' onscreen adaptation of a comic book character will have an army of {{StopHavingFunGuys}} flaming the people who enjoy it.

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* Whenever a comic book character is adopted into television or movie form, there will be legions of angry fanboys screaming about every. single. detail that differs even ''slightly'' from the comics.
* See: {{Smallville}}, The {{X-Men}} Trilogy, eh, virtually ''every'' onscreen adaptation of a comic book character.


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\n* Whenever a comic book character is adopted into television or movie form, there will be legions of angry fanboys screaming about every. single. detail that differs even ''slightly'' from the comics.
See: {{Smallville}}, {{X-Men Trilogy}}, eh, virtually ''every'' onscreen adaptation of a comic book.

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