History Main / SourSupporter

** ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'': Aberforth Dumbledore is almost the complete opposite of his brother. At one point, he outright says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts.

** ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'': Aberforth Dumbledore is almost the complete opposite of his brother. At one point, he basically says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts.

** In ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order Of The Phoenix]]'', Zacharias Smith, while a member of the DA, seems never to speak unless he is berating Harry's methods. Continues even after this supreme put-down:

%%* Warlock from ''Film/LiveFreeOrDieHard''.

* In ''VideoGame/BattleRealms'', Shinja becomes this if Kenji goes on the Dragon path, constantly questioning his goals about obtaining the orb, whom the former it useless. When Kenji leaves for Dragonspire, he decided to forcibly claim part of the territory from the Wolf/Lotus Clan in an attempt to restore the Serpent Clan behind his back despite Otomo's protests. [[Spoiler:Unlike most examples, he eventually turns on Otomo after he deems Kenji too weak to rule and has Otomo executed for good measure.]]

* In ''VideoGame/BattleRealms'', Shinja becomes this if Kenji goes on the Dragon path constantly questioning his goals about the orb. After Kenji leaves for Dragonspire he decided to restore the Serpent Clan behind his back despite Otomo's protests, [[Spoiler:and later after taking a part of territory from the Wolf/Lotus Clan, he eventually turns on Otomo after he deems Kenji too weak to rule and has Otomo executed for good measure.]]

* Kirby from ''WesternAnimation/TheBraveLittleToaster'' certainly didn't keep his objections to himself when the group set out to find the master.
--> "I just ''know'' I'm gonna regret this..."

* ''ComicBook/UltimateXMen'': Though he respects Charles Xavier's ideals of peace, he finds his aversion to killing opponents reckless and dangerous. This was elaborated upon after he saved the team by killing Xavier rogue mutant son, Legion.

In very hard cases, tragically, they may [[OptOut decide that the effort is not worth it and leave]]. They may even encounter the {{villain}} and have a FaceHeelTurn, but this is uncommon. Usually they're no worse than the "[[KnightInSourArmor Disney Anti-Hero]]."

* Victor Niguel in ''VideoGame/TraumaCenter'' - a rather unpleasant chap, but works hard to find a vaccine for ''guilt''.

* LovableCoward Rincewind in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels can be like this. Most obvious in ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'', where he's quite clear that the [[RetiredBadassRoundup Silver Horde]] are doomed, the [[LaResistance Red Army]] are powerless, and the only reason he hasn't [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere run away from the whole situation]] is that he's run out of places to run ''to''. [[ThePollyanna Twoflower]] cheerfully tells everyone that he always talks like that, and he always comes through, but Rincewind still insists that he's never ''wanted'' to.

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* In ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'', Colonel Phillips is this to Steve. He was rooting for [[TheBully Hodge]] to be the first super soldier, but Steve is the only one in the squad to [[SecretTestOfCharacter jump on the dummy grenade]] he throws:

** It goes un-commented on in the film, but Peggy Carter also runs toward the grenade. Steve is just closer.

* Marco from ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' was this at first.
** [[ItsPersonal And then it got personal]].
* Creator/CSLewis' ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNarnia''

* In ''Literature/{{Noob}}'' [[HeManWomanHater Omega Zell]] is technically this for the feminist cause in general. He's TheOneGuy at his workplace and does his part in its feminist association to cover up what he really thinks about women. When he gets online, his female guildmates get an earfull of his real thoughts.

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* Avon from ''Series/BlakesSeven'', who later inspired similar characters like Tyr from ''Series/{{Andromeda}}''.
** Avon is a rare example of a Sour Supporter who's averted TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong at least once. He strongly argued against [[spoiler:blowing up Star One]], which turned out to cause pretty awful collateral damage for very little benefit to [[LaResistance the rebellion]], though admittedly [[spoiler:the alien invasion]] didn't exactly help either.

** Spike became a main character specifically to do this. His job in the group, besides punching things to death, is standing on the sidelines saying "Buffy, you're stupid, and we're all gonna die."

** He becomes a more enthusiastic Scoobie after falling in love with Buffy.

* Wrestling/JimCornette in Global Force Wrestling, the original run and even more so the Anthem owned version. Jim said Wrestling/JeffJarrett was crazy for trying to start another wrestling promotion but came to shows in the corner of Wrestling/BulletClub helping [[MerchandiseDriven to sell merchandise]] because Jeff's a friend, Cornette feels he owes a debt to the Jarrett family and he likes Wrestling/KarlAnderson, [[Wrestling/DrewHankinson Doc Gallows]] and Amber O'Neal. He came onto the Anthem show when asked, openly calling them suits no more knowledgeable about pro wrestling than [[Wrestling/{{WCW}} Turner]], [[Wrestling/ImpactWrestling Panda]] or [[Wrestling/RingOfHonor Sinclair]]'s, because he truly believes there should be alternative products in USA pro wrestling again. Besides this, he makes several appearances on independent circuit, often for friends (Danny Davis in Ohio Valley Wrestling, Wrestling/RobConway in various Wrestling/{{N|ationalWrestlingAlliance}}WA members).[[/folder]]

* Subject 16 in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations''. He's rude to Desmond, borderline mocks [[spoiler:Lucy's death]] and seems to be plotting some sort of GrandTheftMe. [[spoiler:And then he pulls a HeroicSacrifice and saves Desmond from deletion]].
** The second one is somewhat justified in that [[spoiler:Clay knew that Lucy was actually a Templar agent all along]].
*** Also, [[spoiler:Lucy is the one essentially responsible for his shattered mind and his suicide, so really, he was far more respectful than he had any right to be]]. Still a sourpuss about the other stuff, though to be absolutely fair, being dead ''and'' crazy is enough to make anyone a little bit cranky.

* Cid in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'' joins the party only because you took and crashed his plane and constantly complains about the other party members. However, he does end up commanding the Highwind airship crew for the player and even is promoted to party leader at one point.
** He does undergo CharacterDevelopment to become a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Plus he has awesome [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic theme music]].
** He calls the party numbskulls, but states that he likes the idea of fighting Shinra. That, and that he doesn't see a reason to hang around Rocket Town anymore, are the only reasons he joins.
* Amarant in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' joins Zidane's party after being defeated by him, but he is absolutely puzzled as to why Zidane wastes so much energy sticking with his friends when Amarant believes the strong works alone and how people could get things done if they just did it themselves instead of relying on others. At one point, he ditches the party after beating Zidane in a race to see who could reach a specific room in a castle first, but after falling into a trap, Zidane runs back to save him, causing Amarant to rethink his logic after seeing Zidane had gone out of their way to save him just because he needed help.

* Sonya Shulen near the end of the first ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'', after a very hard boss fight against her. If you allow her to join, she repeatedly states that she does so in order to get the pleasure of seeing you die. Though after the final war, if you DO ever speak to her, it sounds like she got better and sees you in a more positive way.
** Also Flik. He's at first '''''really''''' pissed that you got his lover Odessa killed. But he joins you anyway, and his mindset is like "Let's see if you're worthy of replacing Odessa." It wasn't until [[spoiler:Gremio's tragic death]] that he starts letting off with you and eventually [[CharacterDevelopment develops further]] until he's the series' EnsembleDarkhorse.

* Victor Niguel in ''VideoGame/TraumaCenter'' - a rather unpleasant chap, but works hard to find a vaccine for '''''guilt'''''.

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* Wrestling/JimCornette in Global Force Wrestling, the original run and even more so the Anthem owned version. Jim said Wrestling/JeffJarrett was crazy for trying to start another wrestling promotion but came to shows in the corner of Wrestling/BulletClub helping [[MerchandiseDriven to sell merchandise]] because Jeff's a friend, Cornette feels he owes a debt to the Jarrett family and he likes Wrestling/KarlAnderson, Wrestling/DocGallows and Amber O'Neal. He came onto the Anthem show when asked, openly calling them suits no more knowledgeable about pro wrestling than [[Wrestling/{{WCW}} Turner]], [[Wrestling/{{TNA}} Panda]] or [[Wrestling/RingOfHonor Sinclair]]'s, because he truly believes there should be alternative products in USA pro wrestling again. Besides this, he makes several appearances on independent circuit, often for friends (Danny Davis in Ohio Valley Wrestling, Wrestling/RobConway in various Wrestling/{{N|ationalWrestlingAlliance}}WA members).[[/folder]]

* Sonya Shulen near the end of the first ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'', after a very hard boss fight against her. If you allow her to join, she repeatedly states that she does so in order to get the pleasure of seeing you die.
** Though after the final war, if you DO ever speak to her, it sounds like [[JerkassFacade she got better and sees you in a more positive way]].

In very hard cases, tragically, they may [[OptOut decide that the effort is not worth it and leave]]. They may even encounter the {{villain}} and have a FaceHeelTurn, but this is uncommon. Usually they're no worse than the "[[KnightInSourArmor Disney Anti-Hero]]".

* Inchiki, from the first [[EatTheDog Menchi]]-[[ADayInTheLimelight Centric]] episode of ''Anime/ExcelSaga'', appears to be this. [[spoiler:We later learn that he is actually TheMole.]]
* Kai Shiden from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam''. Like many of the heroes he's a civilian who was effectively press-ganged into becoming a soldier and HumongousMecha pilot; ''un''like many of the heroes, he spends a good portion of his screentime grumping about the situation and being [[WithAllDueRespect backhandedly respectful]] towards authority figures like Bright Noah. However, this goes away after his CharacterDevelopment, and while most of his friends stick with the military after the One Year War is over Kai goes on to become an IntrepidReporter, which suits him far better.
* Serpico as a part of Guts' new entourage in ''{{Manga/Berserk}}''. He's the most cynical person in the group next to Guts himself, but he's wrapped in a [[SarcasticDevotee sarcastic layer of goodness]] that prevents him from deserting the group, primarily for [[spoiler: his half-sister]] Farnese's sake, but it goes without saying that he does care for his other companions.

* ''Fanfic/PeaceForgedInFire'': [[DiscussedTrope Discussed]]. Morgan is a more traditionalist Romulan than D'trel, a Unificationist, and tells Praetor Velal of the Romulan Star Empire that she thinks that Proconsul D'Tan of the Romulan Republic is a [[WideEyedIdealist "naive idealist"]] and says she doesn't agree with his politics. But she follows him because whatever his faults, he's sincerely trying to help, while the Empire was useless after [[Film/StarTrek2009 Hobus]] and the [[StateSec Tal'Shiar]] ''caused'' it.

%%* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Han Solo is this to the very end.
%%* Warlock from ''Film/LiveFreeOrDieHard''.
* [=McCoy=] from ''Film/StarTrek2009'' is this, particularly towards Kirk. He's known to be a grouch and DeadpanSnarker, but he's loyal to Kirk, sneaking him aboard the ''Enterprise'' and arguing with Spock after the latter had [[spoiler: marooned Kirk on an icy planet]].
* ''Film/SuckerPunch'' plays with this in the character of Sweet Pea. She plays the part of Sour Supporter perfectly, even going so far as to OptOut at one point. [[spoiler: The trope play comes in when she rejoins the team and ends up the only survivor by way of the rest of the team's {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s, which "redeems" her of her sourness.]]

* In Creator/SandyMitchell's Literature/CiaphasCain novel ''Death Or Glory'', when discussing difficulties getting through a mountain range, the guide Sandy Kolfax says it hardly matters since they will all die before they get there, and later Cain catches him drinking and he professes that it does not matter, as they will all die. But he does lead them. [[spoiler:To the mountains, even. Where he dies.]]
* In Creator/GrahamMcNeill's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' ''Literature/{{Ultramarines}}'' novel ''Dead Sky Black Sun'', when Uriel urges a group of Space Marines and two Imperial Guardsmen to help him, Vaanes, the leader of the group, was the last to agree, with the observation that he knew Uriel would be trouble. After they leave, he carefully ensures that Uriel knows they could all die. [[spoiler:He finally decides that Uriel's plans can not work and that honour is not good enough to die for.]]

* Many of Rand Al Thor's supporters in ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' behave like this. The man is the ChosenOne (of several prophecies and groups) but none of his disparate groups of supporters trust the other ones, and many regard him as nothing more than a loaded cannon they need to further their own ends while regarding him as an idiot who messes everything up that they need to step carefully around. To be fair Rand is pretty insane by this point, and can act idiotically, but he is a lot more competent than they give him credit for and were it not for the prevalence of this trope he would have managed to do a lot more by now. Interestingly enough, Rand actually tries to play the groups against each other in order to get rid of some people that are hindering him. [[XanatosGambit Its a safe bet that at least one of them will bite the dust]] but [[GeneralFailure Namely High Lord Wieramon]]. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption It never works]].

* In Creator/CSLewis' ''Literature/ThatHideousStrength'', the skeptic [=MacPhee=] is a valued member of the good guys' team, with the observation that he would be invaluable if they lost -- but they don't know what he'll do if they win.

* Marco from ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' was this at first.
** [[ItsPersonal And then it got personal]].
* In Creator/GKChesterton's ''Literature/TheManWhoWasThursday'', [[spoiler:the Professor]] gravely explains the difference between himself and Syme: Syme thinks that what he proposes to do is possible, he knows it's impossible, and will nevertheless try to do it.
* In ''Literature/{{Noob}}'' [[HeManWomanHater Omega Zell]] is technically this for the feminist cause in general. He's TheOneGuy at his workplace and does his part in its feminist association to cover up what he really thinks about women. When he gets online, his female guildmates get an earfull of his real thoughts.
* In ''Literature/ThoseThatWake'', Mike is this. He thinks the world sucks, he's worthless, and he probably can't do anything to change it, but he'll fight anyway.
* LovableCoward Rincewind in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels can be like this. Most obvious in ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'', where he's quite clear that the [[RetiredBadassRoundup Silver Horde]] are doomed, the [[LaResistance Red Army]] are powerless, and the only reason he hasn't [[ScrewThisImOutOfHere run away from the whole situation]] is that he's run out of places to run ''to''. [[ThePollyanna Twoflower]] cheerfully tells everyone that he always talks like that, and he always comes through, but Rincewind still insists that he's never ''wanted'' to.

* ''Literature/TheUnknownSoldier'': Corporal Lahtinen is a Communist conscripted to fight against the Soviet Union on the side of a quasi-fascist Finland in alliance with the Nazi Germany. He's not happy about it, as he never lets the other characters forget. However, he's also one of the most reliable and loyal fighters in the company, and even [[spoiler: pulls off a YouShallNotPass DyingMomentOfAwesome to hold back the charging Soviets to buy time for the retreating Finns.]]

* Bones [=McCoy=] from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' (although he does have [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold an idealistic streak beneath his cynical exterior]]).
* Jayne from ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' often fulfills this role.
* [[TheCoroner Medical Examiner]] Perlmutter from ''Series/{{Castle}}''.
* [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger Chiaki Tani]], at first being a rebellious kid and joining the Shinkengers just so he can surpass Takeru. While he doesn't let that one bit die out, he develops more loyalty to him. This makes him being thought as TheLancer, though he later turns out to be TheSmartGuy instead.

* JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf complain about every single act on ''Series/TheMuppetShow''. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]] Reasons for why range from [[CausticCritic "They're theater critics!"]] to "We don't even know how to get out of this stupid theater box!" to simply [[VoodooShark "I guess we'll never know!"]]
* Both Mika Koizumi from ''Series/ChoudenshiBioman'' and Gai Yuuki from ''Series/ChoujinSentaiJetman'' can fit into this category
* Rembrandt Brown (and to a lesser extent, Arturo) from ''Series/{{Sliders}}''. Remy's outbursts are justified, as he just happened to be driving past when the vortex opened up and pulled him along on the trip.

* Kratos from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. He's a world-weary mercenary who doesn't much care for Lloyd's idealism, seeing it as just being naive. Raine shares Kratos' sentiments, but she does get him to admit that he'd rather things work out okay. [[spoiler:It turns out he's TheMole, and has resigned himself to his fate. Luckily, some more pressure from Lloyd and company eventually brings Kratos around to their side.]]
* Victor Niguel in ''VideoGame/TraumaCenter'' - a rather unpleasant chap, but works hard to find a vaccine for GUILT.

* Sonya Shulen near the end of the first ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'', after a very hard boss fight against her. If you allow her to join, she repeatedly states that she does so in order to get the pleasure of seeing you die.
** Though after the final war, if you DO ever speak to her, it sounds like [[JerkassFacade she got better and sees you in a more positive way]].
** Also Flik. He's at first REALLY pissed that you got his lover Odessa killed. But he joins you anyway, and his mindset is like "Let's see if you're worthy of replacing Odessa." It wasn't until [[spoiler:Gremio's tragic death]] that he starts letting off with you and eventually [[CharacterDevelopment develops further]] until he's the series' EnsembleDarkhorse.
* Archer from ''VisualNovel/FateStayNight''; you get the feeling he only helps Shirou because his contract with Rin forces him to. [[spoiler:As "Unlimited Blade Works" reveals, this is both utterly true but also an extreme simplification of Archer's true motives.]]

** He does undergo CharacterDevelopment to become a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Plus he has awesome [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic theme music.]]

* Xan, the clinically depressed enchanter in ''VideoGame/BaldursGate''. He is very vocal about how your quest is futile, but he helps you anyway, presumably because he sees ''everything else in the world'' as equally pointless.

* Morrigan from ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', and [[{{Golem}} Shale]] the DLC character.
* Any companion with enough rivalry in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. Some will consistently begrudge the player's support of mages or Templars, and Isabella won't believe she returned [[MacGuffin The Artifact]] she originally stole.
* Clive Handforth from ''VideoGame/LittleBigPlanet 2.''
* Subject 16 in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations''. He's rude to Desmond, borderline mocks [[spoiler:Lucy's death]] and seems to be plotting some sort of GrandTheftMe. [[spoiler:And then he pulls a HeroicSacrifice and saves Desmond from deletion.]]
** The second one is somewhat justified in that [[spoiler:Clay knew that Lucy was actually a Templar agent all along.]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:Lucy is the one essentially responsible for his shattered mind and his suicide, so really, he was far more respectful than he had any right to be]]. Still a sourpuss about the other stuff, though to be absolutely fair, being dead ''and'' crazy is enough to make anyone a little bit cranky.
* The ''VideoGame/StarFox'' team's second AcePilot, Falco Lombardi, doesn't think too highly of [[TheHero Fox]] and is OnlyInItForTheMoney.

* Amarant in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIX'' joins Zidane's party after being defeated by him, but he is absolutely puzzled as to why Zidane wastes so much energy sticking with his friends when Amarant believes the strong works alone and how people could get things done if they just did it themselves instead of relying on others. At one point, he ditches the party after beating Zidane in a race to see who could reach a specific room in a castle first, but after falling into a trap, Zidane runs back to save him, causing Amarant to rethink his logic after seeing Zidane had gone out of their way to save him just because he needed help.

* Rocky the rogue from ''Webcomic/OurLittleAdventure'' didn't really want to join the group, but he frequently does give them his best.
* Karkat from ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' shows no respect for anyone, insults everyone he meets, gripes a lot and [[FailureHero has grown grimly accustomed to disaster at every turn]], but is near-religiously devoted to the good of his group and, after some early false starts, the human kids too, even if there are times he clearly wants to strangle them.
* Pato, from ''Webcomic/M9Girls'' is not always fond of the other girls' decisions, ranging from being treated with cosmic radiation to Karla's choice of [[MiniDressOfPower costumes]].

* Kirby from ''WesternAnimation/TheBraveLittleToaster'' certainly didn't keep his objections to himself when the group set out to find the master.
--> "I just ''know'' I'm gonna regret this..."
* Gwen Tennyson in the original ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'' series was this mixed with SarcasticDevotee towards her cousin's IdiotHero tendencies, with their interactions mostly being arguments and insults toward each other interspersed with regular ThickerThanWater moments. Future installments remove this aspect as both characters matured.

** Katara also becomes this at the start of the second half of Book 3 [[spoiler: when Zuko joins the Gaang; understandably, she's not happy since he's tried to capture and/or kill them for a while and betrayed Aang and Katara the one time she let her guard down. She makes it vocal that she isn't happy Zuko is there (even when he saves them from Azula) and it's only when Zuko aids her in finding her mother's killer that she finally trusts him.]]
* Stork from ''WesternAnimation/StormHawks''. He's very cynical, but has a calm acceptance of everything that happens.

* In the first few episodes of ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'', Vince was this. This faded, and was given to Spinelli on a few occasions.

* ''VideoGame/PlanescapeTorment'' features a Baatzu (a race of LawfulEvil demons) who was bound into a lifetime of good deeds by the angel Trias, to last until the angel's death. As such, he has to do everything he can to accommodate the Nameless One when he shows up on his doorstep, but he's more than happy to let him know that sure as hell isn't going to ''enjoy'' it.

->''"Drink with me''
->''To days gone by''
->''Can it be''
->''You fear to die?''
->''Will the world remember you''
->''When you fall?''
->''Could it be your death''
->''Means nothing at all?''
->''Is your life just one more lie?"''

He's joined TheHero to save the day. If TheHero appealed for a group of characters to join him (a group of which he was likely the oldest or the leader, or [[TeamDad both]]), he [[RefusalOfTheCall argued against it]] and was the last to join, but [[LineInTheSand he did]], and [[DeterminedDefeatist he will work quite hard, perhaps more than anyone else on the team]]. He is likely to be one of the most skilled and useful members and may even overlap with the CynicalMentor. He may even make a HeroicSacrifice.

But if so, he will regard it as SenselessSacrifice. The GrumpyBear that he is, he makes no bones about considering TheHero's {{plan}} futile, and may join only because [[ThePowerOfFriendship his friends are]], and anything else is also futile. Possibly even only because it's his only way to avoid DyingAlone. Often the oldest member of the group, and prone to SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. (Though not often so gloomy as to be TheEeyore.) When it dawns on him that victory is possible, an attack of HopeIsScary is not uncommon.

In lulls in the action, he may explicitly observe that they are all going to die. Indeed, he may be the SarcasticDevotee, though he is capable of making this observation only once or twice, or not at all.

In very hard cases, tragically, he may [[OptOut decide that the effort is not worth it and leave]]. He may even encounter the {{villain}} and have a FaceHeelTurn, but this is uncommon. Usually he's no worse than the "[[KnightInSourArmor Disney Anti Hero]]".


Contrast DividedWeFall. May contrast with LeastIsFirst as his {{Foil}}, but more often is a {{foil}} for TheHero, who will likely tell him that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers when he gets heavy on the sour. Compare with TheResenter, who actively resents the hero, and with DeterminedDefeatist, in which it's the ''hero'' who has a bad attitude about the odds of success. Often overlaps with be a KnightInSourArmor.

* ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' has Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune. [[WrongGenreSavvy Unfortunately (fortunately?) for them]], the SM-verse is a real SugarBowl at times, and everything really can be set right with ThePowerOfLove, so really, their sourness just makes them look [[{{Wangst}} Wangsty]] sometimes.

* Creator/CSLewis's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNarnia''

--> "I don't think Expelliarmus is exactly going to help us against You-Know-Who."\\

* In Creator/CSLewis's ''Literature/ThatHideousStrength'', the skeptic [=MacPhee=] is a valued member of the good guys' team, with the observation that he would be invaluable if they lost -- but they don't know what he'll do if they win.
* In Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs's ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Master Mind of Mars]]'', Gor Hajus laughs at the quest Ulysses Paxton proposes, after rousing him from a FauxDeath; if he supports him until it's done, it will be forever. He still helps him, however, since even that's better than the FauxDeath.
* In John Barnes's ''Literature/OneForTheMorningGlory'', they hear a ballad that ends with a young woman prisoner to the goblins, and [[AllMythsAreTrue since it's true]], [[GenreSavvy and they know it]], [[DamselInDistress they discuss rescuing her]]. Gorlias is as enthusiastic as any, and characters object: he's the oldest, he ''should'' be gravely warning them against it and talking of its dangers. Gorlias proceeds to discuss its dangers in a portentous tone, as if he had warned them off, but on the trip itself, he's perfectly cheerful.

-->'''Spike:''' (after a less than encouraging pep talk) Well, not exactly the [[Theatre/HenryV St. Crispins's Day Speech]], was it?
-->'''Giles:''' We few, we happy few...
-->'''Spike:''' We band of buggered.

--> "How is it that everyone agrees with me, but we're still doing this?"

* ''Fanfic/PeaceForgedInFire'': [[DiscussedTrope Discussed]]. Morgan is a more traditionalist Romulan than D'trel, a Unificationist, and tells Praetor Velal of the Romulan Star Empire that she thinks that Proconsul D'Tan of the Romulan Republic is a [[WideEyedIdealist "naive idealist"]] and says she doesn't agree with his politics. But she follows him because whatever his faults, he's sincerely trying to help, while the Empire was useless after [[Film/StarTrek Hobus]] and the [[StateSec Tal'Shiar]] ''caused'' it.

* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Han Solo is this to the very end.
* Warlock from ''Film/LiveFreeOrDieHard''.
* [=McCoy=] from ''Film/StarTrek'' is this, particularly towards Kirk. He's known to be a grouch and DeadpanSnarker, but he's loyal to Kirk, sneaking him aboard the ''Enterprise'' and arguing with Spock after the latter had [[spoiler: marooned Kirk on an icy planet]].

* Kai Shiden from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', specially before his CharacterDevelopment.

* Kratos from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. In more ways than one, as you eventually learn.

* Magus in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', if you let him join you.