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* Avon from ''BlakesSeven'', who later inspired similar characters like Tyr from ''{{Andromeda}}''.

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* Avon from ''BlakesSeven'', ''Series/BlakesSeven'', who later inspired similar characters like Tyr from ''{{Andromeda}}''.
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** [[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Aberforth Dumbledore]] is almost the complete opposite of [[TheDumbledore his brother]]. At one point, he basically says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts.

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** [[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Aberforth Dumbledore]] is almost the complete opposite of [[TheDumbledore his brother]].brother. At one point, he basically says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts.
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* Morrigan from ''DragonAge'', and [[Golem Shale]] the DLC character.

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* Morrigan from ''DragonAge'', and [[Golem [[{{Golem}} Shale]] the DLC character.
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* Morrigan from ''DragonAge''.

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* Morrigan from ''DragonAge''.''DragonAge'', and [[Golem Shale]] the DLC character.

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He's joined TheHero to save the day. If TheHero appealed for a group of characters to join him (a group of which he was likely the oldest or the leader, or [[TeamDad both]]), he [[RefusalOfTheCall argued against it]] and was the last to join, but [[LineInTheSand he did]], and he will work quite hard. He is likely to be one of the most skilled and useful members and may even overlap with the CynicalMentor. He may even make a HeroicSacrifice.

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He's joined TheHero to save the day. If TheHero appealed for a group of characters to join him (a group of which he was likely the oldest or the leader, or [[TeamDad both]]), he [[RefusalOfTheCall argued against it]] and was the last to join, but [[LineInTheSand he did]], and [[DeterminedDefeatist he will work quite hard.hard, perhaps more than anyone else on the team]]. He is likely to be one of the most skilled and useful members and may even overlap with the CynicalMentor. He may even make a HeroicSacrifice.



** "As if Expelliarmus is going to work on Voldemort.""I've used it on him."

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* Sokka from ''AvatarTheLastAirbender'' may count, even though he was there from the start. He's cynical and initially objected to going on this journey, but by the end of the series, through CharacterDevelopment, he becomes a great leader and [[TookALevelInBadass warrior]].

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* Sokka from ''AvatarTheLastAirbender'' may count, even though he was there from the start. He's cynical cynical, thinks Aang could be a Fire Nation spy, and initially objected to going on this journey, but by the end of the series, through CharacterDevelopment, he becomes a great leader and [[TookALevelInBadass warrior]].


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** Katara also becomes this at the start of the second half of Book 3 [[spoiler: when Zuko joins the Gaang; understandably, she's not happy since he's tried to capture and/or kill them for a while and betrayed Aang and Katara the one time she let her guard down. She makes it vocal that she isn't happy Zuko is there (even when he saves them from Azula) and it's only when Zuko aids her in finding her mother's killer that she finally trusts him.]]
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* In ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix'', Zacharias Smith, while a member of the DA, seems never to speak unless he is berating Harry's methods. Continues even after this supreme put-down:

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* In ''Harry Potter ''HarryPotter and the Order of the Phoenix'', OrderOfThePhoenix'', Zacharias Smith, while a member of the DA, seems never to speak unless he is berating Harry's methods. Continues even after this supreme put-down:



* [=McCoy=] from [[Film/StarTrek Star Trek]] is this, particularly towards Kirk. He's known to be a grouch and DeadpanSnarker, but he's loyal to Kirk, sneaking him aboard the ''Enterprise'' and arguing with Spock after the latter had [[spoiler: marooned Kirk on an icy planet]].
* SuckerPunch plays with this in the character of Sweet Pea. She plays the part of Sour Supporter perfectly, even going so far as to OptOut at one point. [[spoiler: The trope play comes in when she rejoins the team and ends up the only survivor by way of the rest of the team's [[HeroicSacrifice Heroic Sacrifices]], which "redeems" her of her sourness.]]

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* [=McCoy=] from [[Film/StarTrek Star Trek]] ''Film/StarTrek'' is this, particularly towards Kirk. He's known to be a grouch and DeadpanSnarker, but he's loyal to Kirk, sneaking him aboard the ''Enterprise'' and arguing with Spock after the latter had [[spoiler: marooned Kirk on an icy planet]].
* SuckerPunch ''SuckerPunch'' plays with this in the character of Sweet Pea. She plays the part of Sour Supporter perfectly, even going so far as to OptOut at one point. [[spoiler: The trope play comes in when she rejoins the team and ends up the only survivor by way of the rest of the team's [[HeroicSacrifice Heroic Sacrifices]], {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s, which "redeems" her of her sourness.]]
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* Jayne from [[Firefly]] often fulfills this role.

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* Jayne from [[Firefly]] ''{{Firefly}}'' often fulfills this role.role,
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* Jayne from [[Firefly]] often fulfills this role.
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But if so, he will regard it as StupidSacrifice. GrumpyBear that he is, he makes no bones about considering TheHero's plan futile, and may join only because [[PowerOfFriendship his friends are]], and anything else is also futile. Possibly even only because it's his only way to avoid DyingAlone. Often the oldest member of the group, and prone to SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. (Though not often so gloomy as to be TheEeyore.)

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But if so, he will regard it as StupidSacrifice.SenselessSacrifice. GrumpyBear that he is, he makes no bones about considering TheHero's plan futile, and may join only because [[PowerOfFriendship his friends are]], and anything else is also futile. Possibly even only because it's his only way to avoid DyingAlone. Often the oldest member of the group, and prone to SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. (Though not often so gloomy as to be TheEeyore.)
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** Then again, Nick has a lot of JerkWithAHeartOfGold subtext. For example, he has some of the most genuinely upset-sounding lines when other characters die, particularly Ellis and Rochelle.
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* Clive Handforth from ''{{Little Big Planet}} 2.''
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* Morrigan from Dragon Age.

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* Morrigan from Dragon Age.
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* Any companion with enough rivalry in ''DragonAgeII''. Some will consistently begrudge the player's support of mages or templars, and Isabella won't believe she returned [[MacGuffin The Artifact]] she originally stole.
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* SuckerPunch plays with this in the character of Sweet Pea. She plays the part of Sour Supporter perfectly, even going so far as to OptOut at one point. [[spoiler: The trope play comes in when she rejoins the team and ends up the only survivor by way of the rest of the team's [[HeroicSacrifice Heroic Sacrifices]], which "redeems" her of her sourness.]]
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There are three people, so how do you lose in a three to one vote? (Making fun of my own typo.)


* Lance of SymBionicTitan often falls victim to a three to one vote.

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* Lance of SymBionicTitan often falls victim to a three two to one vote.

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*Lance of SymBionicTitan often falls victim to a three to one vote.
**Specifically, in ''Under the three moons'' after saying he doesn't want to go to the school dance, Ilana and Octus make him go anyway. The same thing happened in the matter of whether he brought a date or not.
** In ''A family crisis'', after the trio get a distress call from Soloman, Lance brushes it off and asks for more cake. Ilana and Octus, however, think they should save him anyway even though they agree with Lance that Soloman's a jerk and doesn't deserve saving.
--> "How is it that everyone agrees with me, but we're still doing this?"
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* Rattrap from ''BeastWars'' is cynical, sarcastic, complains about every plan, responds to every negative turn of events with "We're All Gonna Die", and starts out incredibly reluctant to put his life on the line. Nevertheless, he's never seriously considered abandoning his friends, even jumping into the fray to try and rescue even [[VitriolicBestBuds Dinobot]].
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** [[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Aberforth Dumbledore]] is almost the complete opposite of [[TheDumbledore his brother]]. At one point he basically says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts. Hence, the ''almost''.

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** [[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Aberforth Dumbledore]] is almost the complete opposite of [[TheDumbledore his brother]]. At one point point, he basically says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts. Hence, the ''almost''.
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** [[HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Aberforth Dumbledore]] is almost the complete opposite of [[TheDumbledore his brother]]. At one point he basically says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts. Hence, the ''almost''.
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He's joined TheHero at saving the day. If TheHero appealed at a group of characters to join him (a group of which he was likely the oldest or the leader, or [[TeamDad both]]), he [[RefusalOfTheCall argued against it]] and was the last to join, but [[LineInTheSand he did]], and he will work quite hard. He is likely to be one of the most skilled and useful members and may even overlap with the CynicalMentor. He may even make a HeroicSacrifice.

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He's joined TheHero at saving to save the day. If TheHero appealed at for a group of characters to join him (a group of which he was likely the oldest or the leader, or [[TeamDad both]]), he [[RefusalOfTheCall argued against it]] and was the last to join, but [[LineInTheSand he did]], and he will work quite hard. He is likely to be one of the most skilled and useful members and may even overlap with the CynicalMentor. He may even make a HeroicSacrifice.
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* {{Statler and Waldorf}} complain about every single act on TheMuppetShow. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]]

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* {{Statler and Waldorf}} complain about every single act on TheMuppetShow. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]]
]] Arguments for why range from "They're theater critics" to "[[BileFascination They have too much fun mocking the acts]]" to the Muppet 3-D answer, "They're glued to the seats".
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** Then again, Nick has a lot of JerkWithAHeartOfGold subtext. For example, he has some of the most genuinely upset-sounding lines when other characters die, particularly Ellis and Rochelle.
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* Inchiki, from the first [[EatTheDog Menchi]]-[[ADayInTheLimelight Centric]] episode of ''ExcelSaga'', appears to be this. [[spoiler:We later learn that he is actually TheMole.]]
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* {{Statler and Waldorf}} complain about every single act on TheMuppetShow. [[FridgeLogic And yet they buy box seats for every single show.]]

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* {{Statler and Waldorf}} complain about every single act on TheMuppetShow. [[FridgeLogic And yet they buy have box seats for every single show.]]
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* Rocky the rogue from ''OurLittleAdventure'' didn't really want to join the group, but he frequently does give them his best.

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* Kirby from ''TheBraveLittleToaster'' certainly didn't keep his objections to himself when the group set out to find the master.
--> "I just ''know'' I'm gonna regret this..."
* Sokka from ''AvatarTheLastAirbender'' may count, even though he was there from the start. He's cynical and initially objected to going on this journey, but by the end of the series, through CharacterDevelopment, he becomes a great leader and [[TookALevelInBadass warrior]].
** Lampshaded at one point when Sokka complains that apparently the rest of the team has decided he is the "Plan Guy" and he always has to be the one to come up with something to save the day. Toph points out that he's also "the Complaining Guy", but Sokka says he is actually OK with filling that role.
* Stork from StormHawks. He's very cynical, but has a calm acceptance of everything that happens.



* Morigan from Dragon Age.

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* Morigan Morrigan from Dragon Age.
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* Rocky the rogue from ''OurLittleAdventure'' didn't really want to join the group, but he frequently does give them his best.

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* Kirby from ''TheBraveLittleToaster'' certainly didn't keep his objections to himself when the group set out to find the master.
--> "I just ''know'' I'm gonna regret this..."
* Sokka from ''AvatarTheLastAirbender'' may count, even though he was there from the start. He's cynical and initially objected to going on this journey, but by the end of the series, through CharacterDevelopment, he becomes a great leader and [[TookALevelInBadass warrior]].
** Lampshaded at one point when Sokka complains that apparently the rest of the team has decided he is the "Plan Guy" and he always has to be the one to come up with something to save the day. Toph points out that he's also "the Complaining Guy", but Sokka says he is actually OK with filling that role.
* Stork from StormHawks. He's very cynical, but has a calm acceptance of everything that happens.



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Contrast HangingSeparately. Compare LeastIsFirst. Compare TheResenter, who actively resents the hero. Can be a KnightInSourArmor.

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May constrast with LeastIsFirst as his {{Foil}}, but more often is a {{foil}} for TheHero.

Contrast HangingSeparately. Compare LeastIsFirst. Compare TheResenter, who actively resents the hero. Can be a KnightInSourArmor.
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* Morigan from Dragon Age.
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** Lampshaded at one point when Sokka complains that apparently the rest of the team has decided he is the "Plan Guy" and he always has to be the one to come up with something to save the day. Toph points out that he's also "the Complaining Guy", but Sokka says he is actually OK with filling that role.
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** [[ItsPersonal And then it got personal]].
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* [[SamuraiSentaiShinkenger Tani Chiaki]], at first being a rebellious kid and joining the Shinkengers just so he can surpass Takeru. While he doesn't let that one bit die out, he develops more loyalty to him. This makes him being thought as TheLancer, though he later turns out to be TheSmartGuy instead.

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* [[SamuraiSentaiShinkenger Tani Chiaki]], Chiaki Tani]], at first being a rebellious kid and joining the Shinkengers just so he can surpass Takeru. While he doesn't let that one bit die out, he develops more loyalty to him. This makes him being thought as TheLancer, though he later turns out to be TheSmartGuy instead.



* Statler and Waldorf complain about every single act on TheMuppetShow. [[FridgeLogic And yet they buy box seats for every single show.]]

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* Statler {{Statler and Waldorf Waldorf}} complain about every single act on TheMuppetShow. [[FridgeLogic And yet they buy box seats for every single show.]]



** He does undergo {{CharacterDevelopment}} to become a {{JerkWithAHeartOfGold.}} Plus he has awesome [[CrowningMusicofAwesome theme music.]]

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** He does undergo {{CharacterDevelopment}} to become a {{JerkWithAHeartOfGold.}} JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Plus he has awesome [[CrowningMusicofAwesome theme music.]]

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