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* The SomeOfMyBestFriendsAreX trope, for a common denial of being bigoted due to having friends of the category under discussion.
* [[Series/SomeOfMyBestFriends The television series]].
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Alice accuses Bob of discriminating against/being prejudiced towards group X, and Bob responds "Some of my best friends are X's". Usually played for HypocriticalHumor. Related to YouAreACreditToYourRace, and often accompanied by NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat.
In most contexts, this is enough of a DiscreditedTrope that genuinely straight uses are rare, at least in works of fiction, unless the author is really clueless. When this trope is invoked ''without'' ironic intent, whether by people in RealLife or InUniverse by authors of fiction, it is typically used with a side of defensiveness by people who realize this is not generally considered to refute charges of discrimination or prejudice, and consider this unfair. This persistence of usage tends to take the trope from [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] to [[PetPeeveTrope pet peeve]] for those that find the trope in itself dubious (let alone its use by the more or less subtly racist, sexist, classist, etc.).
Straight versions of the trope face two main kinds of problems:
1) As indicated above, it is strongly associated with no longer accepted biases and prejudices ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are..." women/gay/members of ethnic minorities/etc.)
2) More fundamentally, friendship does not guarantee an absence of prejudice, and the very act of thinking of someone not as your friend Bob or Alice, but as your [insert group name here] friend Bob or Alice, suggests bias and stereotyping. This may not apply if you find yourself faced with a group from a PlanetOfHats, but PlanetOfHats is itself a trope that relies on stereotyping, as in a lack of individual and other variety within a group.
The trope does however scrape a sort of living, whether due to people (InUniverse or in RealLife) ignoring these problems, or - more prominently - in the UndeadHorseTrope area and not least through [[PlayingWithATrope being played with]], usually to its detriment. These uses also tend to rely fairly heavily on ValuesDissonance.
Some commonly seen uses:
'''A) Straight and generally mundane examples of the trope are [[DiscussedTrope discussed]], [[InvokedTrope invoked]], [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], or even [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]].''' This may be PlayedForLaughs or PlayedForDrama, and either way will usually feature a certain amount of [[{{Anvilicious}} anvil-dropping]] and [[AnAesop aesoping]] against stock stereotypes or prejudices. This is [[TropesAreNotBad not necessarily a bad thing]], not least because SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. How far the prejudiced party is ''blamed'' for their prejudice, as opposed to e.g. being presented as ill-informed or unreflective, may also vary a great deal.
* See for instance this example, used in a commercial:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi- [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
'''B) The trope is [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] or [[InvertedTrope inverted]] so as to direct it towards a group who are usually not the ones on the receiving end.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are straight/white/male" etc.)
* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, [[TakeThat all my friends are Tories]].
'''C) A somewhat more complicated set of cases use BaitAndSwitch, DoubleSubversion or [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig Zagging]] about groups that ''are'' traditionally on the receiving end.''' This is quite common for groups that tend towards SelfDeprecation, or make use of NWordPrivileges, or engage (consciously or not) in {{BoomerangBigot}}ry. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are women, including me") This particular form of PlayingWithATrope is ''not'' generally recommended for those who are not group members, and may trouble a number of group members as well as well-meaning outsiders who worry about internalized oppression.
'''D) Bizarre or fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism, or by applying it to groups that are normally not even considered in this kind of context, generally in order to show up its logical problems.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
* ''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
In most contexts, this is enough of a DiscreditedTrope that genuinely straight uses are rare, at least in works of fiction, unless the author is really clueless. When this trope is invoked ''without'' ironic intent, whether by people in RealLife or InUniverse by authors of fiction, it is typically used with a side of defensiveness by people who realize this is not generally considered to refute charges of discrimination or prejudice, and consider this unfair. This persistence of usage tends to take the trope from [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] to [[PetPeeveTrope pet peeve]] for those that find the trope in itself dubious (let alone its use by the more or less subtly racist, sexist, classist, etc.).
Straight versions of the trope face two main kinds of problems:
1) As indicated above, it is strongly associated with no longer accepted biases and prejudices ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are..." women/gay/members of ethnic minorities/etc.)
2) More fundamentally, friendship does not guarantee an absence of prejudice, and the very act of thinking of someone not as your friend Bob or Alice, but as your [insert group name here] friend Bob or Alice, suggests bias and stereotyping. This may not apply if you find yourself faced with a group from a PlanetOfHats, but PlanetOfHats is itself a trope that relies on stereotyping, as in a lack of individual and other variety within a group.
The trope does however scrape a sort of living, whether due to people (InUniverse or in RealLife) ignoring these problems, or - more prominently - in the UndeadHorseTrope area and not least through [[PlayingWithATrope being played with]], usually to its detriment. These uses also tend to rely fairly heavily on ValuesDissonance.
Some commonly seen uses:
'''A) Straight and generally mundane examples of the trope are [[DiscussedTrope discussed]], [[InvokedTrope invoked]], [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], or even [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]].''' This may be PlayedForLaughs or PlayedForDrama, and either way will usually feature a certain amount of [[{{Anvilicious}} anvil-dropping]] and [[AnAesop aesoping]] against stock stereotypes or prejudices. This is [[TropesAreNotBad not necessarily a bad thing]], not least because SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. How far the prejudiced party is ''blamed'' for their prejudice, as opposed to e.g. being presented as ill-informed or unreflective, may also vary a great deal.
* See for instance this example, used in a commercial:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi- [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
'''B) The trope is [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] or [[InvertedTrope inverted]] so as to direct it towards a group who are usually not the ones on the receiving end.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are straight/white/male" etc.)
* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, [[TakeThat all my friends are Tories]].
'''C) A somewhat more complicated set of cases use BaitAndSwitch, DoubleSubversion or [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig Zagging]] about groups that ''are'' traditionally on the receiving end.''' This is quite common for groups that tend towards SelfDeprecation, or make use of NWordPrivileges, or engage (consciously or not) in {{BoomerangBigot}}ry. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are women, including me") This particular form of PlayingWithATrope is ''not'' generally recommended for those who are not group members, and may trouble a number of group members as well as well-meaning outsiders who worry about internalized oppression.
'''D) Bizarre or fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism, or by applying it to groups that are normally not even considered in this kind of context, generally in order to show up its logical problems.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
* ''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
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In most contexts, this is enough of a DiscreditedTrope that genuinely straight uses are rare, at least in works of fiction, unless the author is really clueless. When this trope is invoked ''without'' ironic intent, whether by people in RealLife or InUniverse by authors of fiction, it is typically used with a side of defensiveness by people who realize this is not generally considered to refute charges of discrimination or prejudice, and consider this unfair. This persistence of usage tends to take the trope from [[DiscreditedTrope discredited]] to [[PetPeeveTrope pet peeve]] for those that find the trope in itself dubious (let alone its use by the more or less subtly racist, sexist, classist, etc.).
Straight versions of the trope face two main kinds of problems:
1) As indicated above, it is strongly associated with no longer accepted biases and prejudices ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are..." women/gay/members of ethnic minorities/etc.)
2) More fundamentally, friendship does not guarantee an absence of prejudice, and the very act of thinking of someone not as your friend Bob or Alice, but as your [insert group name here] friend Bob or Alice, suggests bias and stereotyping. This may not apply if you find yourself faced with a group from a PlanetOfHats, but PlanetOfHats is itself a trope that relies on stereotyping, as in a lack of individual and other variety within a group.
The trope does however scrape a sort of living, whether due to people (InUniverse or in RealLife) ignoring these problems, or - more prominently - in the UndeadHorseTrope area and not least through [[PlayingWithATrope being played with]], usually to its detriment. These uses also tend to rely fairly heavily on ValuesDissonance.
Some commonly seen uses:
'''A) Straight and generally mundane examples of the trope are [[DiscussedTrope discussed]], [[InvokedTrope invoked]], [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], or even [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]].''' This may be PlayedForLaughs or PlayedForDrama, and either way will usually feature a certain amount of [[{{Anvilicious}} anvil-dropping]] and [[AnAesop aesoping]] against stock stereotypes or prejudices. This is [[TropesAreNotBad not necessarily a bad thing]], not least because SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. How far the prejudiced party is ''blamed'' for their prejudice, as opposed to e.g. being presented as ill-informed or unreflective, may also vary a great deal.
* See for instance this example, used in a commercial:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi- [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
'''B) The trope is [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] or [[InvertedTrope inverted]] so as to direct it towards a group who are usually not the ones on the receiving end.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are straight/white/male" etc.)
* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, [[TakeThat all my friends are Tories]].
'''C) A somewhat more complicated set of cases use BaitAndSwitch, DoubleSubversion or [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig Zagging]] about groups that ''are'' traditionally on the receiving end.''' This is quite common for groups that tend towards SelfDeprecation, or make use of NWordPrivileges, or engage (consciously or not) in {{BoomerangBigot}}ry. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are women, including me") This particular form of PlayingWithATrope is ''not'' generally recommended for those who are not group members, and may trouble a number of group members as well as well-meaning outsiders who worry about internalized oppression.
'''D) Bizarre or fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism, or by applying it to groups that are normally not even considered in this kind of context, generally in order to show up its logical problems.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
* ''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
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'''A) Straight and generally mundane examples of the trope are [[DiscussedTrope discussed]], [[InvokedTrope invoked]], [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], or even [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]].''' This may be PlayedForLaughs or PlayedForDrama, and either way will usually feature a certain amount of [[{{Anvilicious}} anvil-dropping]] and [[AnAesop aesoping]] against stock stereotypes or prejudices. This is [[TropesAreNotBad not necessarily a bad thing]], not least because SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped. How far the prejudiced party is ''blamed'' for their prejudice, as opposed to e.g. being presented as ill-informed or unreflective, may also vary a great deal.
* See for instance this example, used in a commercial:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi- [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
* See for instance this example, used in a commercial:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi- [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
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* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, [[TakeThat all my friends are Tories]].
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, [[TakeThat all my friends are Tories]].
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'''D) Bizarre or fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism, or by applying it to groups that are normally not even considered in this kind of context.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
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'''D) Bizarre or fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism, or by applying it to groups that are normally not even considered in this kind of context.context, generally in order to show up its logical problems.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.wacky.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
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'''D) Fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
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'''D) Fantastic Bizarre or fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism.FantasticRacism, or by applying it to groups that are normally not even considered in this kind of context.''' ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
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A) Straight and generally mundane examples of the trope are [[DiscussedTrope discussed]], [[InvokedTrope invoked]], [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], or even [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]]. This may be PlayedForLaughs or PlayedForDrama, and either way will usually feature a certain amount of [[{{Anvilicious}} anvil-dropping]] and [[AnAesop aesoping]] against stock stereotypes or prejudices. This is [[TropesAreNotBad not necessarily a bad thing]], not least because SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped.
B) The trope is [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] or [[InvertedTrope inverted]] so as to direct it towards a group who are usually not the ones on the receiving end. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are straight/white/male" etc.)
C) A somewhat more complicated set of cases use BaitAndSwitch, DoubleSubversion or [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig Zagging]] about groups that ''are'' traditionally on the receiving end. This is quite common for groups that tend towards SelfDeprecation, or make use of NWordPrivileges, or engage (consciously or not) in {{BoomerangBigot}}ry. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are women! ''I'm''a woman!") This particular form of PlayingWithATrope is ''not'' generally recommended for those who are not group members, and may trouble a number of group members as well as well-meaning outsiders who worry about internalized oppression.
D) Fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
B) The trope is [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] or [[InvertedTrope inverted]] so as to direct it towards a group who are usually not the ones on the receiving end. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are straight/white/male" etc.)
C) A somewhat more complicated set of cases use BaitAndSwitch, DoubleSubversion or [[ZigZaggingTrope Zig Zagging]] about groups that ''are'' traditionally on the receiving end. This is quite common for groups that tend towards SelfDeprecation, or make use of NWordPrivileges, or engage (consciously or not) in {{BoomerangBigot}}ry. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are women! ''I'm''a woman!") This particular form of PlayingWithATrope is ''not'' generally recommended for those who are not group members, and may trouble a number of group members as well as well-meaning outsiders who worry about internalized oppression.
D) Fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
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You know this one - Alice accuses Bob of discriminating against/being prejudiced towards group X, and Bob responds "Some of my best friends are X's". Usually played for HypocriticalHumour, but also invoked without any sense of irony, also by people in RealLife. ''And'' used with a side of defensiveness by people who realize this is not generally considered to refute charges of discrimination or prejudice.
Do we have this? And, in the light of the fact this is one of those tropes people usually wish would Just Go Away Now, Please, should we have this?
Related to YouAreACreditToYourRace. Often accompanied by NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat.
Could probably use a TroperTales if it makes launch.
!Examples (culled at this point from IMDB)
* ''{{Beerfest}}'':
--> Barry Badrinath: [about [[ChlorisLeachman Great Gam Gam]]] All I'm saying is... that whore thing could be a real possibility. Some of my best friends are whores.
--> Jan Wolfhouse: We know, Barry.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''Sleuth'':
--> [[LaurenceOlivier Andrew Wyke]]: I have nothing against lapsed Catholics. In fact, some of my best friends are lapsed Catholics.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, all my friends are Tories.
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
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I approve of this trope, if only for the ''AsIf'' example.
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Launching at weekend, unless any (valid) howls of protest happen in the meantime.
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Probably shouldn't use only quotes seeing as they're copied from IMDB. (Not sure, though.)
Maybe just describe each one instead?
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Will see what WikiLove I can manage to give it...
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I don't know whether you can use this, but there used to be a commercial, featuring a boy and his grandfather fishing, that ran like this:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
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Do we have this? And, in the light of the fact this is one of those tropes people usually wish would Just Go Away Now, Please, should we have this?
Related to YouAreACreditToYourRace. Often accompanied by NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat.
Could probably use a TroperTales if it makes launch.
!Examples (culled at this point from IMDB)
* ''{{Beerfest}}'':
--> Barry Badrinath: [about [[ChlorisLeachman Great Gam Gam]]] All I'm saying is... that whore thing could be a real possibility. Some of my best friends are whores.
--> Jan Wolfhouse: We know, Barry.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''Sleuth'':
--> [[LaurenceOlivier Andrew Wyke]]: I have nothing against lapsed Catholics. In fact, some of my best friends are lapsed Catholics.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, all my friends are Tories.
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
reply:
bump
reply:
I approve of this trope, if only for the ''AsIf'' example.
reply:
Launching at weekend, unless any (valid) howls of protest happen in the meantime.
reply:
Probably shouldn't use only quotes seeing as they're copied from IMDB. (Not sure, though.)
Maybe just describe each one instead?
reply:
Will see what WikiLove I can manage to give it...
reply:
I don't know whether you can use this, but there used to be a commercial, featuring a boy and his grandfather fishing, that ran like this:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
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In most contexts, this is enough of a DiscreditedTrope that genuinely straight uses are rare, at least in works of fiction, unless the author is really clueless. When this trope is invoked
Do we have this? And, in
Straight versions of the
1) As indicated above, it is
Related to YouAreACreditToYourRace. Often accompanied by NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat.
Could probably use a TroperTales if it makes launch.
!Examples (culled at this point from IMDB)
* ''{{Beerfest}}'':
--> Barry Badrinath: [about [[ChlorisLeachman Great Gam Gam]]] All I'm saying is... that whore thing could be a real possibility. Some of my best friends are whores.
--> Jan Wolfhouse: We know, Barry.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''Sleuth'':
--> [[LaurenceOlivier Andrew Wyke]]: I have nothing against lapsed Catholics. In fact, some of my best friends are lapsed Catholics.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]],
* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new spirit of openness, I feel I too must come out, and admit to the world that I, Ian Duncan Smith, am Leader of the Conservative Party.
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, all my friends are Tories.
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
reply:
bump
reply:
I approve of this trope, if only for the ''AsIf'' example.
reply:
Launching at weekend, unless any (valid) howls of protest happen in the meantime.
reply:
Probably shouldn't use only quotes seeing as they're copied from IMDB. (Not sure, though.
reply:
Will see what WikiLove I can manage to give it...
reply:
I don't know
The trope does however scrape a sort of living, whether
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice
Some commonly seen uses:
A) Straight and generally mundane examples of the trope are [[DiscussedTrope discussed]], [[InvokedTrope invoked]], [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]], or even [[DeconstructedTrope deconstructed]]. This may be PlayedForLaughs or PlayedForDrama, and either way will usually feature a certain amount of [[{{Anvilicious}} anvil-dropping]] and [[AnAesop aesoping]] against stock stereotypes or prejudices. This is
B) The trope is [[SubvertedTrope subverted]] or
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you
C) A somewhat more complicated set of
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D) Fantastic cases: this is basically using SomeOfMyBestFriends as a DeadUnicornTrope, e.g. through FantasticRacism. ("SomeOfMyBestFriends are unicorns/vampires/Martians"). These cases may be {{Anvilicious}} or aesop-heavy by analogy, or they may just be completely wacky.
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Do we have this? And, in the
Related to
Could probably use a TroperTales if it makes launch.
!Examples (culled at this point from IMDB)
* ''{{Beerfest}}'':
--> Barry Badrinath: [about [[ChlorisLeachman Great Gam Gam]]] All I'm saying is... that whore thing could be a real possibility. Some of my best friends are whores.
--> Jan Wolfhouse: We know, Barry.
* ''BringItOn'':
--> Camille: Oooh,this girl just called you the 'N' word!
--> Leti: Oh!
--> Britney: I would never! Some of my best friends used to live next door to black people.
* ''Sleuth'':
--> [[LaurenceOlivier Andrew Wyke]]: I have nothing against lapsed Catholics. In fact, some of my best friends are lapsed Catholics.
* ''I Can't Think Straight'':
--> Woman at end of movie: [after being told Leyla is lesbian] She's what? But some of my best friends are Lebanese!
* ''TheMunsters'':
--> Herman Munster:Grandpa, have you found anything yet to make me brave? When I think of riding a bucking bronco, I'm petrified!
--> Grandpa: What are you knocking? Some of my best friends are petrified.
* ''{{Gargoyles}}'':
--> Fang: Hey, Demona... you know, I've always respected you as a fellow inmate... some of my best friends are half-gargoyle, half-human babes with bad attitudes!
* ''TheThickOfIt'':
--> Peter Mannion: Some of my best ''friends'' are money-grabbing wankers.
* ''Gentleman's Agreement''
--> [[GregoryPeck Phil Green]]: What makes you say that?
--> Bert McAnny: Oh, I don't know. You just seem like... a clever sort of guy.
--> Phil Green: What makes you think I wasn't a G.I.?
--> Bert McAnny: What? Now, Green, don't get me wrong. Why, some of my best friends are Jews.
--> Anne Dettrey: And some of your other best friends are Methodists, but you never bother to say that.
* ''WarOfTheWorlds'' (TV series):
--> Quinn: I have nothing really against humans. Some of my best friends are humans. But [[HumansAreBastards as a group, they stink]], and you know it. I say, KillThemAll.
* ''As If'' (UK TV series):
--> Alexander 'Alex' Stanton: I'm not being heterophobic... Some of my best friends are straight.
* ''Bat Masterson'':
--> Some of my best friends are snakes... and beautiful blackjack dealers.
* ''Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss'':
--> Billy: Do I act gay?
--> Gabriel: Kind of.
--> Billy: You're straight?
--> Gabriel: Girlfriend in San Francisco. What's that supposed to mean?
--> Billy: Nothing. Some of my best friends are...
--> Gabriel: Straight?
--> Billy: Whatever.
* ''DeadRingers'':
--> Kirsty Wark: Hello, and welcome to Newsnight. I'm Kirsty Wark, formulated and controlled by Laboratoire Garnier, Paris. The shock felt in the music world when Pop Idol, Will Young, came out has now been echoed at Westminster.
--> Ian Duncan Smith: In this new
--> Kirsty Wark: This shock revelation has left millions of Ian's teenage fans heartbroken. I'm joined now by the Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
--> TonyBlair: I'm right behind Ian on this. Caring eyebrows, tolerant forehead, compassionate Paul Smith suit. You know, the days when people had to be ashamed that they were a Tory Leader really should be in the past. Some of my best friends are Tories. In fact, all my friends are Tories.
* ''Mississippi''
--> [[WCFields Commodore Jackson]]: ...unsheathing my Bowie knife, I cut a path through this wall of human flesh, dragging my canoe behi [wooden Indian passes by the door whose top half is open, startling him]
--> Commodore Jackson: ...[cough]
--> Commodore Jackson: ... behind me. Since that time of course, the noble red man and his pale faced friends have smoked the pipe of peace [another Indian passes by - pause and cringes]
--> Commodore Jackson: Why I wouldn't of more think now of harming a hair on a red man's head than I would sticking a fork in my mother's back. Heh... why, some of my best friends are Indians... Shug Indians.
* ''The Barber Shop'':
--> [[WCFields Cornelius O'Hare]]: [after the unconscious bank robber has landed on him] Let me up! Let me up! Let me up! [desperately] I didn't try to get ya! I like bandits! Some of my best friends are bandits! The president of the bank comes up to our house!
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bump
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I approve of this trope, if only for the ''AsIf'' example.
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Launching at weekend, unless any (valid) howls of protest happen in the meantime.
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Probably shouldn't use only quotes seeing as they're copied from IMDB. (Not sure, though.)
Maybe just describe each one instead?
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Will see what WikiLove I can manage to give it...
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I don't know whether you can use this, but there used to be a commercial, featuring a boy and his grandfather fishing, that ran like this:
-->'''Boy:''' Grandpa, yesterday Jimmy said I was prejudiced.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Do you know what prejudice is?
-->'''Boy:''' No.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Well, prejudice is when you react to someone because of their religion, or their color.
-->'''Boy:''' But I don't do that!
-->'''Grandpa:''' Who is Jimmy?
-->'''Boy:''' Jimmy's one of my Jewish friends.
-->'''Grandpa:''' Then you are prejudiced, because you think of Jimmy as your Jewish friend, and not your friend.
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