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* [[{{Hayate no Gotoku}} Hayate]] uses this trope when trying to explain his reasoning for attempting to kidnap Nagi. Only the fact that he fails, horribly, and then saves her from real kidnappers, getting her to take him on as her butler saves him, and starts the real story.

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* [[{{Hayate no Gotoku}} Hayate]] ''HayateTheCombatButler'''s Hayate uses this trope when trying to explain his reasoning for attempting to kidnap Nagi. Only the fact that he fails, horribly, and then saves her from real kidnappers, getting her to take him on as her butler saves him, and starts the real story.
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* In 1990, ''TheSimpsons'' exploded onto the pop-culture scene. Bart Simpson almost immediately became the most MoralPanic-inducing public figure of the past decade, not the least because of a line of subversive T-shirts with Bart's image that kids of all ages began sporting on the streets. One of the most notorious had Bart casually explaining: "I'm just the product of a society that's lost its good manners, [[TotallyRadical man]]."

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* In 1990, ''TheSimpsons'' exploded onto the pop-culture scene. Bart Simpson almost immediately became the most MoralPanic-inducing [[MoralPanics Moral Panic]]-inducing public figure of the past decade, not the least because of a line of subversive T-shirts with Bart's image that kids of all ages began sporting on the streets. One of the most notorious had Bart casually explaining: "I'm just the product of a society that's lost its good manners, [[TotallyRadical man]]."
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* In 1990, ''TheSimpsons'' exploded onto the pop-culture scene. Bart Simpson almost immediately became the most MoralPanic-inducing public figure of the past decade, not the least because of a line of subversive T-shirts with Bart's image that kids of all ages began sporting on the streets. One of the most notorious had Bart casually explaining: "I'm just the product of a society that's lost its good manners, [[TotallyRadical man]]."

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* Unfortunately TruthInTelevision.

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* Unfortunately TruthInTelevision.
This can be TruthInTelevision. An infamous example would be ChildSoldiers, who are literally forced to kill.
** This trope also explains why there's so much crime in most developing countries. After all, if you can't afford enough food to nurture your family, you're more than willing to do something immoral.
*** Sadly, there are also many [[SmugSnake Smug Snakes]] who claim society turned them into rapists, murderers or whatever, even though they simply were assholes to begin with.
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* In {{The Phantom of the Opera}} Erik's behavior (killing people) is often attributed to this
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*OingoBoingo's ''Only A Lad''. See the Quotes page for lyrics.



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Sounding to sound like a rant, here


Basically, you can either believe this or believe that people are born inherently evil and destined to do crime, and that they do it for no reason at all. Its never society's fault after all; the banker who forecloses on your house to pay off the debts he inflicted on his company, the politician who put in place laws which prevent a felon from getting a job, then expect them to survive on air when they cancel benefits; no, it is the man and the man alone who is to blame. The old 'man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family' idea; why, he's a dirty criminal and should have got a job.
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* Parodied in ''FamilyGuy'':
-->'''Brian''': Those are some bad roaches.\\
'''Hotel manager''': I blame the schools.
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* [[{{Hayate no Gotoku}} Hayate]] uses this trope when trying to explain his reasoning for attempting to kidnap Nagi. Only the fact that he fails, horribly, and then saves her from real kidnappers, getting her to take him on as her butler saves him, and starts the real story.

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* [[spoiler: Eva Lord]] from SinCity laughs at this trope once she's revealed as the BigBad in ''A Dame To Kill For''. She mentions that, if she were ever caught, people would be reluctant to call her evil. They would simply blame society.

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* The lyrics to WithinTemptation's "Angel" include these lines:
-->This world may have failed you\\
It doesn't give you reason why\\
You could have chosen a different path in life
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** The big {{Wall Banger}} in this whole thing is that they never imply that the main characters have figured it out enough to want to fix it. They're happy to keep putting mutant criminals in prison forever? They don't want to fix things so that society stops creating more?

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** The big {{Wall Banger}} worst part in this whole thing is that they never imply that the main characters have figured it out enough to want to fix it. They're happy to keep putting mutant criminals in prison forever? They don't want to fix things so that society stops creating more?
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* Done satirically in ''GrandTheftAuto: San Andreas''. When the player beats or kills someone or steals a car, CJ will sometimes spout lines like "''I'' blame society!"

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* Done satirically in ''GrandTheftAuto: San Andreas''. When the player beats or kills someone or steals a car, CJ will sometimes spout lines like "''I'' "Don't blame me, blame society!"
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** ''Monty Python Live at the Hollywoood bowl'': "All right: we'll arrest them instead."

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** ''Monty Python Live at the Hollywoood bowl'': Bowl'': "All right: we'll arrest them instead."
** MontyPython also had several sketches/versions of a sketch depicting a trial. In the one performed at the 1976 Secret Policeman's Ball, the defendant, played by Peter Cook, launches into a speech in this vein and is met with a CollectiveGroan, then shot by the judge.
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The TropeCodifier was the legendary American defense attorney Clarence Darrow (best known for defending John Scopes in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial Scopes Monkey Trial]]), who defended a pair of young NietzscheWannabe [[ForTheEvulz thrill killers]], Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb, by arguing that society had twisted their minds. Though everyone expected them to hang, they got off with life sentences.

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The TropeCodifier was the legendary American defense attorney Clarence Darrow (best known for defending John Scopes in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial Scopes Monkey Trial]]), who defended a pair of young NietzscheWannabe [[ForTheEvulz thrill killers]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb, Loeb]], by arguing that society had twisted their minds. Though everyone expected them to hang, they got off with life sentences.
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The TropeCodifier was the legendary American defense attorney Clarence Darrow (best known for defending John Scopes in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial Scopes Monkey Trial]], who defended a pair of young NietzscheWannabe [[ForTheEvulz thrill killers]], Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb, by arguing that society had twisted their minds. Though everyone expected them to hang, they got off with life sentences.

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The TropeCodifier was the legendary American defense attorney Clarence Darrow (best known for defending John Scopes in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial Scopes Monkey Trial]], Trial]]), who defended a pair of young NietzscheWannabe [[ForTheEvulz thrill killers]], Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb, by arguing that society had twisted their minds. Though everyone expected them to hang, they got off with life sentences.
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The TropeCodifier was the legendary American defense attorney Clarence Darrow (best known for defending John Scopes in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopes_Trial Scopes Monkey Trial]], who defended a pair of young NietzscheWannabe [[ForTheEvulz thrill killers]], Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb, by arguing that society had twisted their minds. Though everyone expected them to hang, they got off with life sentences.

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->''"He's only a lad, you really can't blame him\\
Only a lad, society made him\\
Only a lad, he's our responsibility, oh oh oh\\
Only a lad, he really couldn't help it\\
Only a lad, he didn't want to do it\\
Only a lad, he's underprivileged and abused\\
Perhaps a little bit confused, oh oh oh..."''
-->-- '''OingoBoingo'''



->'''Robin Hood''': I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
-->-- '''Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves'''
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* Unfortunately TruthInTelevision.
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** The "no earthly good" self-flagellation? Preceded by yet another authority figure's rant, '''not''' hewing to the [[SocietyIsToBlame Society Is To Blame]] trope. After Riff explains to the social worker his resigned attitude ("work" is a four-letter word, strictly for chumps), "she"--play-acted with screeching intensity by A-Rab--adds her caterwauling two-cents:
-->Eek! \\
Officer Krupke, you've done it again \\
This boy don't need a job, he needs a year in The Pen \\
It ain't just a question of misunderstood \\
Deep down inside him, he's no good! \\
(throughout stanza, imagine several exclamation points; even the unadorned lines should be at top-of-lungs volume)
* Followed by, "We're no good" etc. So ''in context'', the (apparent) admission of moral responsibility is merely another way-station along a near-death-march of absurd rationalization and counterreaction: a Chorus provided by "sympathetic liberals" '''and''' the withering disapproval of the (at time of release--of play & film--yet to be named ) [[RichardNixon Silent Majority]]. All ineffectual; all as prone to whining as are the Jets themselves.
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Basically, you can either believe this or believe that people are born inherently evil and destined to do crime, and that they do it for no reason at all. Its never society's fault after all; the banker who forecloses on your house to pay off the debts he inflicted on his company, the politican who put in place laws which prevent a felon from getting a job, then expect them to survive on air when they cancel benefits; no, it is the man and the man alone who is to blame. The old 'man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family' idea; why, he's a dirty criminal and should have got a job.

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Basically, you can either believe this or believe that people are born inherently evil and destined to do crime, and that they do it for no reason at all. Its never society's fault after all; the banker who forecloses on your house to pay off the debts he inflicted on his company, the politican politician who put in place laws which prevent a felon from getting a job, then expect them to survive on air when they cancel benefits; no, it is the man and the man alone who is to blame. The old 'man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family' idea; why, he's a dirty criminal and should have got a job.
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Bakers can foreclose on houses?


Basically, you can either believe this or believe that people are born inherently evil and destined to do crime, and that they do it for no reason at all. Its never society's fault after all; the baker who forecloses on your house to pay off the debts he inflicted on his company, the politican who put in place laws which prevent a felon from getting a job, then expect them to survive on air when they cancel benefits; no, it is the man and the man alone who is to blame. The old 'man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family' idea; why, he's a dirty criminal and should have got a job.

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Basically, you can either believe this or believe that people are born inherently evil and destined to do crime, and that they do it for no reason at all. Its never society's fault after all; the baker banker who forecloses on your house to pay off the debts he inflicted on his company, the politican who put in place laws which prevent a felon from getting a job, then expect them to survive on air when they cancel benefits; no, it is the man and the man alone who is to blame. The old 'man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family' idea; why, he's a dirty criminal and should have got a job.
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* ''NewAdventuresOfWinnieThePooh'':

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* ''TheNewAdventuresOfWinnieThePooh'':

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-->'''Piglet''': It wasn't me! I was young and foolish! I blame society!
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-->-- '''Oingo Boingo'''

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-->-- '''Oingo Boingo'''
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* The classic example would be ''[[Robin Hood]]'', where the peasants must resort to crime to survive the impossible taxation inflicted on them to pay for their king's war.

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* The classic example would be ''[[Robin Hood]]'', ''Robin Hood'', where the peasants must resort to crime to survive the impossible taxation inflicted on them to pay for their king's war.

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The examples only included rather cynical subversions of the trope. Added a few which use it straight.


->'''Robin Hood''': I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions.
-->-- '''Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves'''



This trope is sort of a crossbreed between InherentInTheSystem and FreudianExcuse. Also known by the fancy name of "social determinism." Often a cause of UnfortunateImplications. See RousseauWasRight for one cause of this kind of thinking. Contrast TheFarmerAndTheViper, in which the evil ''is'' inherent.

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This trope is sort of a crossbreed between InherentInTheSystem and FreudianExcuse. Also known by the fancy name of "social determinism." "

Basically, you can either believe this or believe that people are born inherently evil and destined to do crime, and that they do it for no reason at all. Its never society's fault after all; the baker who forecloses on your house to pay off the debts he inflicted on his company, the politican who put in place laws which prevent a felon from getting a job, then expect them to survive on air when they cancel benefits; no, it is the man and the man alone who is to blame. The old 'man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his family' idea; why, he's a dirty criminal and should have got a job.

More mature entertainment will try to use something like this if they have a villain. Generally genre fiction or children's writing will just have people doing evil because they are Evil and should be hated, which of course has UnfortunateImplications.

Often a cause of UnfortunateImplications. See RousseauWasRight for one cause of this kind of thinking. Contrast TheFarmerAndTheViper, in which the evil ''is'' inherent.



* Aladdin in the Disney film of the same name has to steal to survive, being an orphan with no education in a difficult time




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* The classic example would be ''[[Robin Hood]]'', where the peasants must resort to crime to survive the impossible taxation inflicted on them to pay for their king's war.
* Philip Pullman's Sally Lockhart series deals with this on several occassions, as the protagonist over the course of several books meets and befriends criminals and vagabonds who commit crime to survive in Victorian England. She often finds that people on the wrong side of the law can be equally moral and good as anyone else.

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"We're not bad/We're really good/We just had a bad childhood..."

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* Touched upon in ''[[TheDarkKnightTrilogy Batman Begins]]'', where Bruce Wayne begins to sympathize with the criminal element when he encounters people who have to commit crime in order to survive (and, having cut himself off from home, having to do so himself), and then finds himself feeling a thrill when he expands his motivations from survival to profit. This is countered by Ducard, who notes that criminals look for, thrive, and encourage society's tolerance and understanding of their motivations. Bruce eventually settles on something somewhere in the middle, and he tends to restrict his hunts to those who cannot claim it is society's fault.



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* The criminals in WestSideStory invoke this mockingly in the song "Gee, Officer Krupke": "We're not bad/We're really good/We just had a bad childhood..."

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* The criminals in WestSideStory invoke this mockingly in the song "Gee, and dance number "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq28qCklEHc Gee, Officer Krupke": Krupke]]". The gang leader plays himself, with various gang members playing a low-ranking police who arrests him and various authority figures. These various authority figures have various shallow theories about what the problem is, most of these theories being in SocietyIsToBlame territory. But what they all have in common is that they whack him over the head and send him away to be somebody else's problem. Oh, and they all either insult the lowly policeman or ignore him. It all ends with a mutual rejection: The final authority figure dismiss the gangleader as a bad person period, and the gang concludes that they simply want society out of their lives.



"We're not bad/We're really good/We just had a bad childhood..."

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