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[[AC:The [[LordOfTheRings Théoden]]]]

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[[AC:The [[LordOfTheRings [[TheLordOfTheRings Théoden]]]]



[[AC:The [[StargateVerse Hammond]]]]

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[[AC:The [[StargateVerse [[Franchise/StargateVerse Hammond]]]]



[[AC:The ComicBook/{{Magneto}}]]

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[[AC:The ComicBook/{{Magneto}}]]
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[[AC:The [[JurassicPark Hammond]]]]

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[[AC:The [[JurassicPark [[StargateVerse Hammond]]]]
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[[AC:The SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}]]

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[[AC:The SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}]]
ComicBook/{{Magneto}}]]
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* Redcloak's character development in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Théoden -- all [[VillainousValor without losing his villain status]].

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* Redcloak's character development in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Théoden -- all [[VillainousValor without losing his villain status]].
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[[AC:The {{Superman}}]]

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[[AC:The {{Superman}}]]
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This is the leader who takes a roughly equal share of the danger, consistently RiskingTheKing. If AsskickingEqualsAuthority, this is likely to inspire UndyingLoyalty. If the leader is just not as BadAss as his troops, this may be seen as HonorBeforeReason or even {{Death Seek|er}}ing.

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This is the leader who takes a roughly equal share of the danger, consistently RiskingTheKing. If AsskickingEqualsAuthority, this is likely to inspire UndyingLoyalty. If the leader is just not isn't as BadAss powerful as his troops, this may be seen as HonorBeforeReason or even {{Death Seek|er}}ing.



Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentleman. Most likely to suffer from TheChainsOfCommanding, though that can effect others as well. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

[[AC:The {{Magneto}}]]

Named after the [[Film/{{X-Men}} movie version]], not the [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} comic book]] version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure or flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be a good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.

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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentleman. Most likely to suffer from TheChainsOfCommanding, though that can effect others as well. If he is he's significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

[[AC:The {{Magneto}}]]

SelfDemonstrating/{{Magneto}}]]

Named after the [[Film/{{X-Men}} movie version]], not the [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} comic book]] version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure or flat-out {{Villain}}.villain. In darker works, this can also be a good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.



This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain.

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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are they're [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness No Longer Useful]] no longer useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain.



* LordOfTheRings has a recurring {{Aesop}} that sliding down this scale will slide you down others. Gandalf vs Saruman. Théoden vs Denethor. And the BigBad, when things got tough, would personally step onto the battlefield (though now he can't leave his tower at all).

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* LordOfTheRings has a recurring {{Aesop}} that sliding down this scale will slide you down others. Gandalf vs Saruman. Théoden vs Denethor. And the BigBad, [[BigBad Sauron]], when things got tough, would personally step onto the battlefield (though now he can't leave his tower at all).
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Named after the [[Film/{{X-Men}} movie version]], not the [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} comic book]] version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be a good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.

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Named after the [[Film/{{X-Men}} movie version]], not the [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} comic book]] version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of or flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be a good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.
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* Redcloak's character development in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Théoden -- all without losing his villain status.

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* Redcloak's character development in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Théoden -- all [[VillainousValor without losing his villain status.status]].
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* LordOfTheRings has a recurring {{Aesop}} that sliding down this scale will slide you down others. Gandalf vs Saruman. Théoden vs Denethor. And the BigBad never leaves his tower at all.

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* LordOfTheRings has a recurring {{Aesop}} that sliding down this scale will slide you down others. Gandalf vs Saruman. Théoden vs Denethor. And the BigBad never leaves BigBad, when things got tough, would personally step onto the battlefield (though now he can't leave his tower at all.all).
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This is the leader who takes a roughly equal share of the danger, consistently RiskingTheKing. If AsskickingEqualsAuthority, this is likely to inspire UndyingLoyalty. If the leader is just not as BadAss as his troops, this may be seen as HonorBeforeReason or even [[DeathSeeker Death Seeking]].

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This is the leader who takes a roughly equal share of the danger, consistently RiskingTheKing. If AsskickingEqualsAuthority, this is likely to inspire UndyingLoyalty. If the leader is just not as BadAss as his troops, this may be seen as HonorBeforeReason or even [[DeathSeeker Death Seeking]].
{{Death Seek|er}}ing.
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[[AC:The [[LordOfTheRings Theoden]]]]

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[[AC:The [[LordOfTheRings Theoden]]]]
Théoden]]]]



* LordOfTheRings has a recurring {{Aesop}} that sliding down this scale will slide you down others. Gandalf vs Saruman. Theoden vs Denethor. And the BigBad never leaves his tower at all.
* Redcloak's character development in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Theoden -- all without losing his villain status.

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* LordOfTheRings has a recurring {{Aesop}} that sliding down this scale will slide you down others. Gandalf vs Saruman. Theoden Théoden vs Denethor. And the BigBad never leaves his tower at all.
* Redcloak's character development in ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Theoden Théoden -- all without losing his villain status.
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[[AC:The [[{{X-Men}} Magneto]]]]

Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be a good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.

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[[AC:The [[{{X-Men}} Magneto]]]]

{{Magneto}}]]

Named after the [[Film/{{X-Men}} movie version, version]], not the [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} comic book book]] version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be a good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.
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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain and usually a CompleteMonster.

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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain and usually a CompleteMonster.
villain.
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[[AC:The [[TheOrderOfTheStick Xykon]]]]

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[[AC:The [[TheOrderOfTheStick [[Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick Xykon]]]]



* Redcloak's character development in Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Theoden -- all without losing his villain status.

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* Redcloak's character development in Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Theoden -- all without losing his villain status.
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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentleman. Most likely to suffer from the ChainsOfCommanding, though that can effect others as well. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentleman. Most likely to suffer from the ChainsOfCommanding, TheChainsOfCommanding, though that can effect others as well. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.



Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.

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Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be a good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.
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[[AC:The Superman]]

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[[AC:The Superman]]
{{Superman}}]]



[[AC:The Theoden]]

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[[AC:The Theoden]]
[[LordOfTheRings Theoden]]]]



[[AC:The Hammond]]

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[[AC:The Hammond]]
[[JurassicPark Hammond]]]]



[[AC:The Magneto]]

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[[AC:The Magneto]]
[[{{X-Men}} Magneto]]]]



[[AC:The Xykon]]

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[[AC:The Xykon]]
[[TheOrderOfTheStick Xykon]]]]
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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain and usually a CompleteMonster.

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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain and usually a CompleteMonster.
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* ChainsOfCommanding

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* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes

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This is the leader who takes a roughly equal share of the danger, consistently RiskingTheKing. If AsskickingEqualsAuthority, this is likely to inspire UndyingLoyalty. If the leader is just not as {{BadAss}} as his troops, this may be seen as HonorBeforeReason or even [[DeathSeeker Death Seeking]].

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This is the leader who takes a roughly equal share of the danger, consistently RiskingTheKing. If AsskickingEqualsAuthority, this is likely to inspire UndyingLoyalty. If the leader is just not as {{BadAss}} BadAss as his troops, this may be seen as HonorBeforeReason or even [[DeathSeeker Death Seeking]].



* Redcloak's character development in OrderOfTheStick is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Theoden -- all without losing his villain status.

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* Redcloak's character development in OrderOfTheStick Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Theoden -- all without losing his villain status.

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* GoingDownWithTheShip



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[[AC: Works that Feature this Scale or Movement along it]]
* LordOfTheRings has a recurring {{Aesop}} that sliding down this scale will slide you down others. Gandalf vs Saruman. Theoden vs Denethor. And the BigBad never leaves his tower at all.
* Redcloak's character development in OrderOfTheStick is mostly sliding up and down this. He starts as The Hammond, degrades into The Magneto under Xykon's influence and his own bigotry, then has his WhatHaveIDone moment and jumps up to The Theoden -- all without losing his villain status.
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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain and usually a CompleteMonster.

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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain and usually a CompleteMonster.CompleteMonster.

[[AC:Just the Tropes]]
(This index is sorted from most responsible to least responsible; please add new tropes accordingly.)
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* TheMenFirst
* AFatherToHisMen
* RiskingTheKing
** HonorBeforeReason
** DeathSeeker
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure
* GoingDownWithTheShip
* ChainsOfCommanding
* MissionControl
* OrcusOnHisThrone
* IDidWhatIHadToDo
* WeHaveReserves
* GloryHound
* BadBoss
* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes
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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentleman. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentleman. Most likely to suffer from the ChainsOfCommanding, though that can effect others as well. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.
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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz.

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This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz. Always a villain and usually a CompleteMonster.
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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentlemen. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentlemen.OfficerAndAGentleman. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.
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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentlemen. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Still, if things go badly wrong, he's likely to [[GoingDownWithTheShip Go Down With His Ship]]. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentlemen. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.
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Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReservers has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.

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Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReservers [[WeHaveReserves has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.
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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentlement. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

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Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentlement.OfficerAndAGentlemen. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.



Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReservers has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villian}}. In darker works, this can also be good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.

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Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReservers has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villian}}.{{Villain}}. In darker works, this can also be good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.
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So you're in charge. Especially in a dangerous environment. Are you going to take care of your people or sacrifice them to your convenience? Or something in between?

There's been a lot of fiction written about this. Here are some points along the scale and their associated tropes.

[[AC:The Superman]]

This is the leader who makes sure to take the most dangerous or onerous duties on himself. Usually TheHero and often TheCape or a KnightInShiningArmor. More likely to lead a handful of TrueCompanions than an army, as he hates the thought of getting thousands of people killed. If he does lead an army, he's likely to be a FourStarBadass, AFatherToHisMen and is certain to put TheMenFirst.

[[AC:The Theoden]]

This is the leader who takes a roughly equal share of the danger, consistently RiskingTheKing. If AsskickingEqualsAuthority, this is likely to inspire UndyingLoyalty. If the leader is just not as {{BadAss}} as his troops, this may be seen as HonorBeforeReason or even [[DeathSeeker Death Seeking]].

[[AC:The Hammond]]

Usually a ReasonableAuthorityFigure who gets out of the way of his men so that they can do their job. He stays back at MissionControl, where he may or may not do much during the mission. Likely to be an OfficerAndAGentlement. If he is significantly stronger than his underlings, this can turn into OrcusOnHisThrone.

[[AC:The Magneto]]

Named after the movie version, not the comic book version. This is the leader who [[WeHaveReservers has reserves]] and isn't reluctant to spend them. His men mean less to him than victory. Often a GloryHound, GeneralFailure of flat-out {{Villian}}. In darker works, this can also be good character who [[IDidWhatIHadToDo had to do]] it because the alternative was even worse. Such a character may later be found DrowningHisSorrows.

[[AC:The Xykon]]

This is the extreme BadBoss who sacrifices his {{Mooks}} any time they are [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnes No Longer Useful]] or simply ForTheEvulz.

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