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This is often seen in works written for a family audience; no writer wants to tell kids that Santa isn't real.
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** The show has had many Christmas specials, but only one, ''Last Christmas'', featured Santa directly. While the majority of the episode's plot ends up taking place within a multi-layered dream (with Santa himself being a manifestation of the characters' consciousnesses trying to break out of said dream state), the story nonetheless implies his true existence with its closing shot of a pair of tangerines sitting on Clara's windowsill.
** In an earlier Christmas special, the Eleventh Doctor casually whips out a photograph of him posing together with someone he calls "Father Christmas" (along with Music/FrankSinatra). Outside of television, Santa has enjoyed [[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Santa_Claus multiple cameos and references]] within the series' fluid and freely-contradictory "canon"; one early revival episode even implied that ''the Doctor'' is Santa.
** The show has had many Christmas specials, but only one, ''Last Christmas'', featured Santa directly. While the majority of the episode's plot ends up taking place within a multi-layered dream (with Santa himself being a manifestation of the characters' consciousnesses trying to break out of said dream state), the story nonetheless implies his true existence with its closing shot of a pair of tangerines sitting on Clara's windowsill.
** In an earlier Christmas special, the Eleventh Doctor casually whips out a photograph of him posing together with someone he calls "Father Christmas" (along with Music/FrankSinatra). Outside of television, Santa has enjoyed [[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Santa_Claus multiple cameos and references]] within the series' fluid and freely-contradictory "canon"; one early revival episode even implied that ''the Doctor'' is Santa.
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** The show''Series/DoctorWho'' has had many Christmas specials, but only one, ''Last Christmas'', featured Santa directly. While the majority of the episode's plot ends up taking place within a multi-layered dream (with Santa himself being a manifestation of the characters' consciousnesses trying to break out of said dream state), the story nonetheless implies his true existence with its closing shot of a pair of tangerines (Santa's "signature gift", in his own words) sitting on Clara's windowsill.
** In an earlier Christmas special, the Eleventh Doctor casually whips out a photograph of him posing together with someone he calls "Father Christmas" (along with Music/FrankSinatra). Outside of television, Santa has enjoyed [[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Santa_Claus multiple cameos and references]] within the series' fluid and freely-contradictory "canon"; one early revival episode even implied that ''the Doctor'' is Santa.windowsill.
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** In an earlier Christmas special, the Eleventh Doctor casually whips out a photograph of him posing together with someone he calls "Father Christmas" (along with Music/FrankSinatra). Outside of television, Santa has enjoyed [[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Santa_Claus multiple cameos and references]] within the series' fluid and freely-contradictory "canon"; one early revival episode even implied that ''the Doctor'' is Santa.
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** The show has had many Christmas specials, but only one, ''Last Christmas'', featured Santa directly. While the majority of the episode's plot ends up taking place within a multi-layered dream (with Santa himself being a manifestation of the characters' consciousnesses trying to break out of said dream state), the story nonetheless implies his true existence with its closing shot of a pair of tangerines sitting on Clara's windowsill.
** In an earlier Christmas special, the Eleventh Doctor casually whips out a photograph of him posing together with someone he calls "Father Christmas" (along with Music/FrankSinatra). Outside of television, Santa has enjoyed [[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Santa_Claus multiple cameos and references]] within the series' fluid and freely-contradictory "canon"; one early revival episode even implied that ''the Doctor'' is Santa.
** The show has had many Christmas specials, but only one, ''Last Christmas'', featured Santa directly. While the majority of the episode's plot ends up taking place within a multi-layered dream (with Santa himself being a manifestation of the characters' consciousnesses trying to break out of said dream state), the story nonetheless implies his true existence with its closing shot of a pair of tangerines sitting on Clara's windowsill.
** In an earlier Christmas special, the Eleventh Doctor casually whips out a photograph of him posing together with someone he calls "Father Christmas" (along with Music/FrankSinatra). Outside of television, Santa has enjoyed [[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Santa_Claus multiple cameos and references]] within the series' fluid and freely-contradictory "canon"; one early revival episode even implied that ''the Doctor'' is Santa.
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* ''Film/SmallTownSanta'': The man Rick arrests for Breaking and Entering into his house claims to be Santa, and knows some very intimate knowledge about the people of Rockford, Minnesota. However, nobody ever proves or disproves that he is who he says he is.
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* In ''Santa's Secret'', a young girl sees two separate men in Santa garb while at a Christmas parade, so she asks her parents and grandmother about it and they admit that not all Santas are real, but they claim that they're working for the real one and it's a secret. Accepting this, but wanting to determine who the real one is, the girl sits on the lap of a MallSanta and interrogates him, getting answers to all the questions except for "Are you the real Santa?", which he simply replies to by asking what she wants for Christmas. Later, she meets another bearded man who claims to be Santa, but he's wearing plain clothes and he [[StealthHiBye disappears]] before she can get more information. The girl concludes that she will keep Santa's secret, but still doesn't know if she met the real one.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheBearWhoSleptThroughChristmas'': Ted E. Bear meets Santa Claus on a street corner who tries to explain Christmas. After directing Ted to an apartment building where the bear will "find" Christmas, he then shows up in that same apartment after Ted arrives there. It is left ambiguous whether he is the real Santa or just someone in a costume.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheBeatles'' episode "Money," the boys are at Coney Island where Ringo sits on the lap of a laughing robot clown he thinks is Santa.
'''Ringo:''' And I want a set of toy soldiers and a choo choo train and a...(''John reaches and pulls him over to the others'') What did you do that for? I was only telling Santy Claus what I wanted for Christmas!
'''Ringo:''' And I want a set of toy soldiers and a choo choo train and a...(''John reaches and pulls him over to the others'') What did you do that for? I was only telling Santy Claus what I wanted for Christmas!
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'''Ringo:''' And I want a set of toy soldiers and a choo choo train and a...(''John reaches and pulls him over to the others'') What did you do that for? I was only telling Santy Claus what I wanted for Christmas!
'''Ringo:''' And I want a set of toy soldiers and a choo choo train and a...(''John reaches and pulls him over to the others'') What did you do that for? I was only telling Santy Claus what I wanted for Christmas!
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* The ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'' Christmas episode "A Lost Claus" deals with Mac's belief in Santa shattered when it dawns on him that if Santa was dreamed up by children (as many Santas appear at the home's door) then maybe he doesn't exist. Madame Foster has a heart-to-heart with Mac explaining that it's a rite of passage for kids to stop believing in Santa at some point. "The truth will eventually come out," she says. The night before Christmas, Mac sends out a prayer to Santa for a sign that he's real. He doesn't ask for the usual swag kids ask for, but something incredibly mundane: underwear.
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* ''Fanfic/LincolnsMemories'': In "'Tis the Season to Be Loud", [[WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse Lori Loud]] begins to doubt whether Santa really exists, and the mall Santa reassures her that her doubts are fine, but it's never cleared up if there is a Santa. The Easter Bunny, on the other hand, explicitly doesn't exist.
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* ''Fanfic/LincolnsMemories'': In "'Tis the Season to Be Loud", [[WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse Lori Loud]] begins to doubt whether Santa really exists, and the mall Santa reassures her that her doubts are fine, but it's never cleared up if there is a Santa. The Easter Bunny, on the other hand, explicitly doesn't exist.
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* ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseman'': Parodied in the ending of the ShowWithinAShow ChristmasSpecial, "Sabrina's Christmas Wish". In the FramingDevice, Todd asks Bojack if the use of this trope means Santa is supposed to be real in the ''Horsin' Around'' universe. ("I dunno, we were all on cocaine.")
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* ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseMan'': Parodied in the ChristmasSpecial "Sabrina's Christmas Wish". The ShowWithinAShow "Horsin' Around" uses this trope and Todd asks if Santa is real. Bojack replies, "What? I dunno, we were all on cocaine."
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* ''Film/MiracleOnThirtyFourthStreet'' doesn't answer the question either way whether the saintly Kris Kringle is actually Santa Claus -- not even when it's proven in a court of law that he is.
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* ''Series/StElsewhere'': In "Santa Claus is Dead", the man whom Katherine Auschlander hired to play Santa Claus for the children at St. Eligius is hinted to be the genuine article. He knows Luther and Ehrlich by name and is aware of details of their personal lives. He also asks after the Craigs' newborn granddaughter Barbara. Luther suspects that he sent a front man ahead of him to find out all of this. The Auschlanders' grandson Max asks him to replace Katherine's snowglobe, which he broke while playing ball in the house. Although Santa Claus goes into cardiac arrest and dies immediately afterwards, Katherine nevertheless receives a snowglobe identical to the broken one with a card featuring Santa Claus' name. Dr. Auschlander denies having bought it for her.
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* The ''Literature/DillyTheDinosaur'' story "Dilly and the Book of Bad Behavior" has Santa's prehistoric equivalent Dino Claus. His existence is ambiguous; he appears at the mall but that might just be the equivalent of a mall Santa, and this Dino Claus needs to be informed about Dilly's situation.
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Good old SantaClaus: in some works, he clearly exists. In fact, sometimes, he's in danger and SavingChristmas might be in order. In other works, he doesn't exist; the parents buy the presents, or maybe Christmas doesn't even exist. And then, there are ''these'' works.
In these works, Santa's existence is unclear. Mall Santas might be seen, people might try to prove or disprove Santa's existence, and sometimes evidence leans one way or the other, but we'll never know for sure.
A common way to play this trope is to introduce an old man who looks like Santa, acts like Santa, and/or claims he is Santa, but it's never proven or disproven. Sometimes, there's a reveal that someone was pretending to be Santa and there's a separate possible Santa, but he's never revealed to be Santa or not.
What is ''not'' this trope, however, is when the mysterious old man is seen with elves, flying reindeer, or anything else along those lines, as that basically proves that he's Santa, and Santa Claus is RealAfterAll.
Additionally, don't list examples where Santa is not brought up in an important way because there are too many works like that for it to qualify.
SubTrope of AmbiguousSituation and MaybeMagicMaybeMundane. Compare AngelUnaware for another subtrope of those two tropes that might involve Christmas. Compare and contrast YesVirginia and SantasExistenceClause where it is less ambiguous and Santa does exist.
Indexes: ChristmasTropes, ThisMightBeAnIndex
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* In the BBC 2018 special ''Film/ClickAndCollect'', the protagonists give ten pounds to a fat, old, homeless man with a white beard. He later comes back and gives them change for a claw machine and they wonder if he's Santa, but decide he isn't when they see him pee on a lamppost. Previously, a house's Christmas decorations [[{{Foreshadowing}} featured a peeing Santa]].
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* ''Literature/DiaryOfAWimpyKid'': Unlike the web comic, where Santa explicitly does not exist, in the books it is more ambiguous. Greg does not believe in Santa, but he's often wrong about things. There's a doll named Santa's Scout that's supposed to report back to Santa and it changes position, but nobody sees it move and Greg suspects it's actually [[BigBrotherBully Rodrick]] who moves it.
* The ''Literature/DillyTheDinosaur'' story "Dilly and the Book of Bad Behavior" has Santa's prehistoric equivalent Dino Claus. His existence is ambiguous; he appears at the mall but that might just be the equivalent of a mall Santa, and this Dino Claus needs to be informed about Dilly's situation.
* ''Literature/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas'': The Grinch pulls a reverse Santa in order to steal Christmas, then brings it back while still in his Santa garb, but he never bumps into either the real Santa or a parent being Santa, so Santa's existence is left up in the air (in the Creator/RonHoward [[Film/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas live-action film version]], however, not only does Santa exists but the Grinch makes his move after he watches him leave Whoville. He even makes a DeadpanSnarker joke about how Santa's lifestyle must be good for tax-dodging).
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* ''Series/MurdochMysteries'': In "[[ChristmasEpisode A Merry Murdoch Christmas]]", an old man is very adamant about being released from police custody because according to him, he's actually Kris Kringle and needs to complete his Christmas present rounds. Dr. Ogden thinks he's just delusional, although she consents to releasing him on the basis that he isn't putting himself or anyone else in danger. At the end of the episode, the policemen are giving the local kids gifts and notice that they have more presents than they bought themselves, upon which they notice "Kris" in the crowd, wearing a Santa suit and smiling. The man then disappears into the streets, leaving his real identity a mystery.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Arthur}}'': In "Arthur's Perfect Christmas", there is a lot of discussion about Santa, but at the same time, it's heavily implied that the mom was the one looking for a "Tina the Talking Tabby" toy for D.W. However, it is never revealed where the kids' other presents came from, so the possibility of Santa existing is left open-ended.
* ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseMan'': Parodied in the ChristmasSpecial "Sabrina's Christmas Wish". The ShowWithinAShow "Horsin' Around" uses this trope and Todd asks if Santa is real. Bojack replies, "What? I dunno, we were all on cocaine."
* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'' episode "11 Louds a Leapin'", [[ChildProdigy Lisa]] does an equation that supposedly proves the non-existence of Santa, but then she thinks she's seen Santa. However, that was just their neighbor Mr. Grouse dressed up. Santa's existence is not outright denied, though.
* ''WesternAnimation/PostmanPat'': In "Postman Pat's Magic Christmas", there is a strange old man who gives the kids presents and occasionally seems to use magic, but he's never directly stated to be Santa.
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In these works, Santa's existence is unclear. Mall Santas might be seen, people might try to prove or disprove Santa's existence, and sometimes evidence leans one way or the other, but we'll never know for sure.
A common way to play this trope is to introduce an old man who looks like Santa, acts like Santa, and/or claims he is Santa, but it's never proven or disproven. Sometimes, there's a reveal that someone was pretending to be Santa and there's a separate possible Santa, but he's never revealed to be Santa or not.
What is ''not'' this trope, however, is when the mysterious old man is seen with elves, flying reindeer, or anything else along those lines, as that basically proves that he's Santa, and Santa Claus is RealAfterAll.
Additionally, don't list examples where Santa is not brought up in an important way because there are too many works like that for it to qualify.
SubTrope of AmbiguousSituation and MaybeMagicMaybeMundane. Compare AngelUnaware for another subtrope of those two tropes that might involve Christmas. Compare and contrast YesVirginia and SantasExistenceClause where it is less ambiguous and Santa does exist.
Indexes: ChristmasTropes, ThisMightBeAnIndex
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* In the BBC 2018 special ''Film/ClickAndCollect'', the protagonists give ten pounds to a fat, old, homeless man with a white beard. He later comes back and gives them change for a claw machine and they wonder if he's Santa, but decide he isn't when they see him pee on a lamppost. Previously, a house's Christmas decorations [[{{Foreshadowing}} featured a peeing Santa]].
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* ''Literature/DiaryOfAWimpyKid'': Unlike the web comic, where Santa explicitly does not exist, in the books it is more ambiguous. Greg does not believe in Santa, but he's often wrong about things. There's a doll named Santa's Scout that's supposed to report back to Santa and it changes position, but nobody sees it move and Greg suspects it's actually [[BigBrotherBully Rodrick]] who moves it.
* The ''Literature/DillyTheDinosaur'' story "Dilly and the Book of Bad Behavior" has Santa's prehistoric equivalent Dino Claus. His existence is ambiguous; he appears at the mall but that might just be the equivalent of a mall Santa, and this Dino Claus needs to be informed about Dilly's situation.
* ''Literature/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas'': The Grinch pulls a reverse Santa in order to steal Christmas, then brings it back while still in his Santa garb, but he never bumps into either the real Santa or a parent being Santa, so Santa's existence is left up in the air (in the Creator/RonHoward [[Film/HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas live-action film version]], however, not only does Santa exists but the Grinch makes his move after he watches him leave Whoville. He even makes a DeadpanSnarker joke about how Santa's lifestyle must be good for tax-dodging).
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* ''Series/MurdochMysteries'': In "[[ChristmasEpisode A Merry Murdoch Christmas]]", an old man is very adamant about being released from police custody because according to him, he's actually Kris Kringle and needs to complete his Christmas present rounds. Dr. Ogden thinks he's just delusional, although she consents to releasing him on the basis that he isn't putting himself or anyone else in danger. At the end of the episode, the policemen are giving the local kids gifts and notice that they have more presents than they bought themselves, upon which they notice "Kris" in the crowd, wearing a Santa suit and smiling. The man then disappears into the streets, leaving his real identity a mystery.
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Arthur}}'': In "Arthur's Perfect Christmas", there is a lot of discussion about Santa, but at the same time, it's heavily implied that the mom was the one looking for a "Tina the Talking Tabby" toy for D.W. However, it is never revealed where the kids' other presents came from, so the possibility of Santa existing is left open-ended.
* ''WesternAnimation/BojackHorseMan'': Parodied in the ChristmasSpecial "Sabrina's Christmas Wish". The ShowWithinAShow "Horsin' Around" uses this trope and Todd asks if Santa is real. Bojack replies, "What? I dunno, we were all on cocaine."
* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'' episode "11 Louds a Leapin'", [[ChildProdigy Lisa]] does an equation that supposedly proves the non-existence of Santa, but then she thinks she's seen Santa. However, that was just their neighbor Mr. Grouse dressed up. Santa's existence is not outright denied, though.
* ''WesternAnimation/PostmanPat'': In "Postman Pat's Magic Christmas", there is a strange old man who gives the kids presents and occasionally seems to use magic, but he's never directly stated to be Santa.
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