Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Main / RightMakesMight

Go To

OR

Added: 646

Changed: 27

Removed: 262

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In the fourth game, [[BigBad Sanctus]] demands to know why he's losing even though he's wielding the Sword of Sparda and has gained Sparda's power. Nero explains it's because he lacks Sparda's compassion and ability to love.

to:

** In the [[VideoGame/DevilMayCry4 fourth game, game]], [[BigBad Sanctus]] demands to know why he's losing even though he's wielding the Sword of Sparda and has gained Sparda's power. Nero explains it's because he lacks Sparda's compassion and ability to love.love.
** This also applys to the ''[[VideoGame/DmCDevilMayCry DmC: Devil May Cry]]'' continuity, where Dante is UnskilledButStrong while Vergil is about as strong, yet also has superior skill. As expected, [[spoiler: during their duel, Dante's ChaoticGood trumps Vergil's mix of LawfulNeutral and LawfulEvil, Dante wins anyway]].
** In ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry5'''s climax, [[spoiler: even after fully awakening to the blood of Sparda, Nero should clearly be no match for the stronger and more skilled Vergil, and yet he manages to defeat him. It should be noted though that Vergil had been fighting Dante earlier and was most likely exhausted from it.]]



* In ''VideoGame/DmCDevilMayCry'', Dante is UnskilledButStrong while Vergil is about as strong, yet also has superior skill. That said, [[spoiler: during their duel, as Dante's ChaoticGood trumps Vergil's mix of LawfulNeutral and LawfulEvil, Dante wins anyway]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

->''"The humblest citizen in all the land, when clad in the armor of a righteous cause, is stronger than all the hosts of error."''
-->-- '''William Jennings Bryan'''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
duplicate quote


-> ''"My strength is as the strength of ten, because my heart is pure."''
-->-- '''Sir Galahad''', ''Myth/KingArthur''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing [[BestOutOfInfinity best of three rounds]], even though it was supposed to be one, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''. It looks as though he's even going to handle it by cheating, but then willingly switches to Right Makes Might because he wants to see that happen.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', on the Hell Train, when Koon Khun challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon Khun explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon Khun is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing [[BestOutOfInfinity best of three rounds]], even though it was supposed to be one, and Koon Khun wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon Khun probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon Khun is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''. It looks as though he's even going to handle it by cheating, but then willingly switches to Right Makes Might because he wants to see that happen.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ''TabletopGame/PrincessTheHopeful:'' The titular Hopeful draw their powers from the Light, [[SentientCosmicForce the embodiment of virtue and beneficence in the universe]], and they are chosen by virtue of being the examplars of human virtue.
** More mechanically, Princesses use Belief (their KarmaMeter stat) as part of the dice pool for Clash of Wills, certain Wisp rolls, and other Charms, meaning that their powers literally get stronger as their morality improves.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Twisted in ''Literature/TheBrightestShadow''. The Hero's power operates by this logic even when what he's doing is horrifying. It's effectively about how horrifying this trope is if you don't agree with the "right" side.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* This is essentially how Lion-O is able to harness the power of the Sword of Omens in both ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats1985'' and ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats2011''. It repels evil, does not work in the hands of of selfish or misguided, but it does not hold back when Lion-O is fighting for the good of others.

to:

* This is essentially how Lion-O is able to harness the power of the Sword of Omens in both ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats1985'' and ''WesternAnimation/ThunderCats2011''. It repels evil, and does not work in the hands of of the selfish or misguided, but it does not hold back when Lion-O is fighting for the good of others.



* Generally averted in history, as the type of nation that [[MightMakesRight will wage wars of aggression has to also be the type of nation that]] ''[[MightMakesRight can]]''.

to:

* Generally averted in history, as the type of nation that [[MightMakesRight will wage wars of aggression aggression, has to also be the type of nation that]] ''[[MightMakesRight can]]''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


This is one of the main components of JapaneseSpirit. See also: HeroicResolve.

to:

This is one of the main components of JapaneseSpirit. See also: HeroicResolve.HeroicResolve, AsLongAsThereIsOneMan.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian governments and warlords tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... [[VillainBall ''poor'' decision making.]] Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line. Even seemingly self-sacrificing choices such as accepting refugees turn out to have a karmic payoff, since economic studies have shown that in the long run having people around who are ready to work hard for a new life becomes a major economic boon. And the better they are supported and helped to get on their feet, the faster and better the results.

to:

* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian governments and warlords tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... to ''very'' [[VillainBall ''poor'' poor decision making.]] Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line. Even seemingly self-sacrificing choices such as accepting refugees turn out to have a karmic payoff, since economic studies have shown that in the long run having people around who are ready to work hard for a new life becomes a major economic boon. And the better they are supported and helped to get on their feet, the faster and better the results.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian governments and warlords tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... [[VillainBall ''poor'' decision making.]] Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line.

to:

* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian governments and warlords tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... [[VillainBall ''poor'' decision making.]] Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line. Even seemingly self-sacrificing choices such as accepting refugees turn out to have a karmic payoff, since economic studies have shown that in the long run having people around who are ready to work hard for a new life becomes a major economic boon. And the better they are supported and helped to get on their feet, the faster and better the results.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian governments and warlords tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... ''poor'' decision making. Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line.

to:

* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian governments and warlords tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... [[VillainBall ''poor'' decision making. making.]] Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... ''poor'' decision making. Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line.

to:

* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian governments and warlords tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... ''poor'' decision making. Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line.

Added: 1296

Changed: 147

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Very prevalent in {{sho|nenDemographic}}unen anime and western comic books, but really, this has been used to deliver morals throughout history. It was even assumed in ancient times in Western civilization to ''work in real life'', on the logic that God or gods would help those worthy of victory.

to:

Very prevalent in {{sho|nenDemographic}}unen anime and western comic books, but really, this has been used to deliver morals throughout history. It was even assumed in ancient times in Western civilization to ''work in real life'', on the logic that God or gods would help those worthy of victory.
them win. It is still often considered true for more nuanced reasons, which essentially amount to the fact that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome.


Added DiffLines:

* In general it can be convincingly claimed that EvilIsEasy but Good is DifficultButAwesome. [[TheAlliance Mutual cooperation, alliances, and diversity]] may be harder to pull off in some ways but the results are self evident. At a minimum, people you are cooperating with are people you don't have to fight. And at best you get something greater than the sum of it's parts. This is also the fundamental reason for HonorAmongThieves: even if you don't care about morality, a reputation for honesty is [[PragmaticVillainy just better business.]] This also applies to seemingly amoral and ruthless fields like war and spycraft. Studies by the CIA, of all people, have determined that TortureIsIneffective and is more likely to make your enemies fight to the death than anything else. [[RapePillageAndBurn War crimes against civilians]] cost you informants, effectively recruit for your enemy, and on top of it they lead to poor discipline in your troops. And authoritarian tend to collapse quite dramatically in short order, because the [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder paranoia]] and inevitable [[YesMan toadies]] that come from emphasizing loyalty over all lead to... ''poor'' decision making. Not to mention the pervasive fear of being subject to ShootTheMessenger if you dare cross the party line.

Changed: 136

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''. He was even going to handle it by cheating, presumably, but then willingly switched to Right Makes Might.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing [[BestOutOfInfinity best of three rounds, rounds]], even though it was supposed to be one, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''. He was It looks as though he's even going to handle it by cheating, presumably, but then willingly switched switches to Right Makes Might.Might because he wants to see that happen.

Changed: 106

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''. He was even going to handle it by cheating, presumably, but then willingly switched to Right Makes Might.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'',on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'',on ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

Changed: 18

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'',on the Hell Train, when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

Changed: 37

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, when the score was (naturally) 1--1, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, when the score was (naturally) 1--1, he just trusted that god wouldn't let [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

Changed: 39

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges Rachel to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that Rachel's even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, when the score was (naturally) 1--1, he just trusted that god wouldn't let Rachel win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges Rachel [[spoiler: Rachel]] to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that Rachel's [[spoiler: Rachel]]'s even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, when the score was (naturally) 1--1, he just trusted that god wouldn't let Rachel [[spoiler: Rachel]] win. So basically, in this scene, Koon is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.

Changed: 162

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges Rachel to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that Rachel's even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, when the score was (naturally) 1--1, he just trusted that god wouldn't let Rachel win. Koon wins.

to:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges Rachel to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that Rachel's even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds.rounds, and Koon wins the first and last ones. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, when the score was (naturally) 1--1, he just trusted that god wouldn't let Rachel win. So basically, in this scene, Koon wins.is thinking of himself as a bad person who's still going to win in righteousness ''by comparison''.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* There's a kind of complicated example in ''WebComic/TowerOfGod'', when Koon challenges Rachel to a contest with big stakes, and the contest is a coin toss. Koon explicitly frames it as a competition over "who {{god}} likes more," like it's about karma or something. Koon is an AntiHero in the moral sense himself, it's just that Rachel's even worse -- and he wants to rub it in how nobody likes her, not even god. They end up doing best of three rounds. An observant spectator analyses the situation like this: Koon probably cheated on the first round, though it would have been too risky to try it again. But on the third round, when the score was (naturally) 1--1, he just trusted that god wouldn't let Rachel win. Koon wins.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Other times this trope is taken more literally as it might be the righteousness of the hero that allows them to use resource not available to the bad guys in the for of OnlyTheChosenMayWield,OnlyTheWorthyMayPass, OnlyTheChosenMayRide or they are chosen by the EmpathicWeapon or a LivingWeapon. The hero's virtuous heart a may also make them a candidate by a TheChooserOfTheOne, especially in instances where the story has TheChosenMany.

to:

Other times this trope is taken more literally as it might be the righteousness of the hero that allows them to use resource resources not available to the bad guys in the for form of OnlyTheChosenMayWield,OnlyTheWorthyMayPass, OnlyTheChosenMayRide or they are chosen by the EmpathicWeapon or a LivingWeapon. The hero's virtuous heart a may also make them a candidate by a TheChooserOfTheOne, especially in instances where the story has TheChosenMany.
Willbyr MOD

Added: 103

Changed: 237

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[quoteright:350:[[WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/hqdefault_jack_1.jpg]]]]
[[caption-width-right:350:YOU. ARE. WORTHY.]]

to:

[[quoteright:350:[[WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack %% Image selected per Image Pickin' thread: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1565577654029676400
%% Please do not replace or remove without starting a new thread.
%%
[[quoteright:350:[[Webcomic/DragonMango
https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/hqdefault_jack_1.jpg]]]]
[[caption-width-right:350:YOU. ARE. WORTHY.]]
org/pmwiki/pub/images/dm02_56_1.png]]]]



Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Other times this trope is taken more literally as it might be the righteousness of the hero that allows them to use resource not available to the bad guys in the for of OnlyTheChosenMayWield,OnlyTheWorthyMayPass, OnlyTheChosenMayRide or they are chosen by the EmpathicWeapon or a LivingWeapon. The hero's virtuous heart a may also make them a candidate by a ChooserOfTheOne, especially in instances where the story has TheChosenMany.

to:

Other times this trope is taken more literally as it might be the righteousness of the hero that allows them to use resource not available to the bad guys in the for of OnlyTheChosenMayWield,OnlyTheWorthyMayPass, OnlyTheChosenMayRide or they are chosen by the EmpathicWeapon or a LivingWeapon. The hero's virtuous heart a may also make them a candidate by a ChooserOfTheOne, TheChooserOfTheOne, especially in instances where the story has TheChosenMany.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

Other times this trope is taken more literally as it might be the righteousness of the hero that allows them to use resource not available to the bad guys in the for of OnlyTheChosenMayWield,OnlyTheWorthyMayPass, OnlyTheChosenMayRide or they are chosen by the EmpathicWeapon or a LivingWeapon. The hero's virtuous heart a may also make them a candidate by a ChooserOfTheOne, especially in instances where the story has TheChosenMany.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The ''Videogame/KingdomHearts'' series is built on this trope and ThePowerOfFriendship.
* In ''VideoGame/{{DmC Devil May Cry}}'', Dante is UnskilledButStrong while Vergil is about as strong, yet also has superior skill. That said, [[spoiler: during their duel, as Dante's ChaoticGood trumps Vergil's mix of LawfulNeutral and LawfulEvil, Dante wins anyway]].

to:

* The ''Videogame/KingdomHearts'' ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' series is built on this trope and ThePowerOfFriendship.
* In ''VideoGame/{{DmC Devil May Cry}}'', ''VideoGame/DmCDevilMayCry'', Dante is UnskilledButStrong while Vergil is about as strong, yet also has superior skill. That said, [[spoiler: during their duel, as Dante's ChaoticGood trumps Vergil's mix of LawfulNeutral and LawfulEvil, Dante wins anyway]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In order to teach Film/Thor a lesson in humility and compassion, Odin casts a curse/geas on the Divine Hammer Mjölnir that allows only those with a kind and noble heart to wield, much less lift it, before casting his hot-headed and violent firsborn son to Earth for re-igniting a bloody war with the Frost Giants of Jotunheim. Only through the three days he spent as a mortal man did Thor learn the value of selflessness, love and kindness, and only then was he deemed worthy of wielding Mjölnir once more.

to:

** In order to teach Film/Thor Film/{{Thor}} a lesson in humility and compassion, Odin casts a curse/geas on the Divine Hammer Mjölnir that allows only those with a kind and noble heart to wield, much less lift it, before casting his hot-headed and violent firsborn son to Earth for re-igniting a bloody war with the Frost Giants of Jotunheim. Only through the three days he spent as a mortal man did Thor learn the value of selflessness, love and kindness, and only then was he deemed worthy of wielding Mjölnir once more.



** In the DarkestHour of ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', Stark is knocked unconscious by Thanos and Thor a breath away from having his heart carved out by the Mad Titan. Captain Steve Rogers, gentle and kind of hear, is deemed worthy by Mjölnir to wiled it in defiance of the tyrant, becoming the Ultimate Warrior that Dr Henry Erskine always believed he could be. The Good Doctor would be proud of Captain Rogers.

to:

** In the DarkestHour of ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', Stark is knocked unconscious by Thanos and Thor a breath away from having his heart carved out by the Mad Titan. Captain Steve Rogers, gentle and kind of hear, heart, is deemed worthy by Mjölnir to wiled it in defiance of the tyrant, becoming the Ultimate Warrior that Dr Henry Erskine always believed he could be. The Good Doctor would be proud of Captain Rogers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Narrative-wise, this is very much used in any games. How do you think that the good guys always wins against impossible odds? Because they are fueled with positive emotions and being HotBlooded in refusal to give up the fight for goodness. Even characters from cynical series would end up being less cynical, start believing in righteousness (in as much as they can muster) and then end up prevailing along with the optimistic good guys.

Added: 1793

Changed: 346

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', Phil Caulson alludes to this trope. He confidently tells Loki that he has no chance of winning, because evil has "no conviction". Tony echoes this when he points out that Loki is going to have to keep fighting even if his ploy to conquer the world succeeds. Something Loki doesn't seem to have considered.

to:

* Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse.
** In order to teach Film/Thor a lesson in humility and compassion, Odin casts a curse/geas on the Divine Hammer Mjölnir that allows only those with a kind and noble heart to wield, much less lift it, before casting his hot-headed and violent firsborn son to Earth for re-igniting a bloody war with the Frost Giants of Jotunheim. Only through the three days he spent as a mortal man did Thor learn the value of selflessness, love and kindness, and only then was he deemed worthy of wielding Mjölnir once more.
** Doctor Abraham Erskine chose the sickly but kind and gentle boy Steve Rogers to be the prototype candidate for the Super Soldier Project because he ''adamantly'' believes that it takes a kind-heart to creat the Ultimate Warrior, not strength or obedience. He is of course laughed off by the cynics in charge of the US Military, who believe violent and obedient bullies are what it takes to win wars, not kindness. But when Steve Rogers finally becomes Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger, he proved them all wrong with flying colors.
**
In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', Phil Caulson alludes to this trope. He confidently tells Loki that he has no chance of winning, because evil has "no conviction". Tony echoes this when he points out that Loki is going to have to keep fighting even if his ploy to conquer the world succeeds. Something Loki doesn't seem to have considered.considered.
** In the DarkestHour of ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', Stark is knocked unconscious by Thanos and Thor a breath away from having his heart carved out by the Mad Titan. Captain Steve Rogers, gentle and kind of hear, is deemed worthy by Mjölnir to wiled it in defiance of the tyrant, becoming the Ultimate Warrior that Dr Henry Erskine always believed he could be. The Good Doctor would be proud of Captain Rogers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** And as a related point, regimes or groups that are so willing to violate the most widely held standards of morality for their cause/ideology probably are also going to make a lot a dumb and inefficient decisions because their priority is making decisions that conform rather than ones that are effective. For example the [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun military run government of Japan]] placed almost no emphasis on trying to maintain the national economy, even though they needed its tax money to keep the military running. At worst, they made a lot pointless regulations outlawing business practices that were "too western." The net result of this was that a lot of Japanese businesses (and the government and military themselves) had to do their banking in the United States. When Japan started trying to take over Asia, the US government just ordered their assets to be frozen and stopped allowing oil to be sold to Japan. The Imperial Japanese Navy then thought it prudent to attack America to stop the embargo rather than secure another source of oil, because that was the "warrior's option." So less right makes might and more "wrong can not maintain might long term."

to:

** And as a related point, regimes or groups that are so willing to violate the most widely held standards of morality for their cause/ideology probably are also going to make a lot a dumb and inefficient decisions because their priority is making decisions that conform rather than ones that are effective. For example the [[KatanasOfTheRisingSun [[UsefulNotes/KatanasOfTheRisingSun military run government of Japan]] placed almost no emphasis on trying to maintain the national economy, even though they needed its tax money to keep the military running. At worst, they made a lot pointless regulations outlawing business practices that were "too western." The net result of this was that a lot of Japanese businesses (and the government and military themselves) had to do their banking in the United States. When Japan started trying to take over Asia, the US government just ordered their assets to be frozen and stopped allowing oil to be sold to Japan. The Imperial Japanese Navy then thought it prudent to attack America to stop the embargo rather than secure another source of oil, because that was the "warrior's option." So less right makes might and more "wrong can not maintain might long term."

Top