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* One story in the ''KingdomCome'' universe had Iris "Kid Flash" West encounter the Fiddler's great-grandson, Iowa Bowin, who believed his ancestor had "a headful of bad wiring", and wants to use his guitar version of Isaac's weaponised violin to be a hero.
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* In ''MortalKombat'', in both the games and the LighterAndSofter (but still accurate to continuity) animated series, the original Sub Zero was a villain/AntiVillain, and is succeeded by his younger brother, who fights on the side of the heroes.
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* The female Dr. Light, who like the heroic Toyman is a Japanese genius who is a HotScientist and MamaBear.
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* Owen Mercer, the son of the first [[TheFlash Captain Boomerang]], tried to be one of these.
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* There's an example of this in ''{{Watchmen}}'' where at the end of novel, Laurie discusses a change of costume design into one that looks like that of the Comedian, [[spoiler: her father]]. While the Comedian was technically a hero, being the TokenEvilTeammate of the original team of heroes, this example probably still fits.
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* There's an example of this in ''{{Watchmen}}'' ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' where at the end of novel, Laurie discusses a change of costume design into one that looks like that of the Comedian, [[spoiler: her father]]. While the Comedian was technically a hero, being the TokenEvilTeammate of the original team of heroes, this example probably still fits.
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** And in ''BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', it was the identity of a good Joker from an AlternateUniverse.
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** And in [=~Batman: The Brave and the Bold~=], it was the identity of a good Joker from an AlternateUniverse.
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** And in [=~Batman: The Brave and the Bold~=], ''BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'', it was the identity of a good Joker from an AlternateUniverse.
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* Thanks to TheNthDoctor and the TimeyWimeyBall, The Doctor of ''DoctorWho'' sometimes functions as one of these to ''himself''.
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* Thanks to TheNthDoctor and the TimeyWimeyBall, The Doctor of ''DoctorWho'' ''Series/DoctorWho'' sometimes functions as one of these to ''himself''.
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* {{Mass Effect}} 2 has [[spoiler: Legion]], a [[spoiler:geth platform]]. While Commander Shepard has blasted through enough of these things to melt them down and rebuild the Normandy, [[spoiler:Legion is a member of the ''true'' geth, which regards the geth Commander Shepard is familiar with as "heretics". These geth just want to be left alone, rather than leaving geth space and attacking.]]
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* Thanks to TheNthDoctor and the TimeyWimeyBall, The Doctor of ''DoctorWho'' sometimes functions as one of these to ''himself''.
* Thanks to TheNthDoctor and the TimeyWimeyBall, The Doctor of ''DoctorWho'' sometimes functions as one of these to ''himself''.
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** Also in the ''Spider Girl'' series is Normie Osborn. Following his father and grandfather, he took on the Green Goblin identity as a villain, but after conquering his demons ended up being a RedeemingReplacement for Venom (although he doesn't call himself that)- he was forcibly merged with the symbiote but managed to stay mostly sane with it and fight crime. Similarly to the irony with Ulrich, Normie is a friend and love interest to May Parker, despite running around in the costume of one of her father' worst enemies.
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* ''HunterTheVigil'': The life tenet of the [[DarkIsNotEvil Lucifuge]] is basically "we ''are'' {{Satan}}'s children, but we protect humanity from the darkness". They are also the nicest Hunters when it comes to dealing with the more decent supernaturals. The other children of Satan, [[CompleteMonster however]]...
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* ''HunterTheVigil'': ''TabletopGame/HunterTheVigil'': The life tenet of the [[DarkIsNotEvil Lucifuge]] is basically "we ''are'' {{Satan}}'s children, but we protect humanity from the darkness". They are also the nicest Hunters when it comes to dealing with the more decent supernaturals. The other children of Satan, [[CompleteMonster however]]...
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* The version of Sabretooth that was a member of the ''{{Exiles}}'' was a hero from an AlternateReality. The "real" Sabretooth is a CompleteMonster.
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* While on his deathbed, B-List supervillain the Black Knight begged his nephew Dane Whitman to restore honor to their family legacy and to atone for his crimes. Whitman did so, becoming a heroic Black Knight still active to this day. The villainous Black Knight is also something of an inversion: he based the identity and his equipment off of his heroic ancestor, the medieval Black Knight.
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* {{Mass Effect}} 2 has [[spoiler: Legion]], a [[spoiler:geth platform]]. While Commander Shepard has blasted through enough of these things to melt them down and rebuild the Normandy, [[spoiler:Legion is a member of the ''true'' geth, which regards the geth Commander Shepard is familiar with as "heretics". These geth just want to be left alone, rather than leaving geth space and attacking.]]
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* {{Dave}} is about the United States President being replaced by one of these.
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** Unfortunately he, like all other versions, turned out to be a super-advanced android, created by the one and only original Toyman.
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* In the Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} universe, Phil Ulrich stumbled on a Green Goblin costume and got doused in the SuperSerum (note, it was explicitly this -- unlike the earlier PsychoSerum, this one didn't make you insane), producing the irony of a guy a lot like Peter Parker (snarky journalist UnluckyEverydude) taking on the identity of Peter's worst enemy. In the main Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} series, Ulrich did end up suffering from mental problems and ultimately pulled a FaceHeelTurn.
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* The Golden Age villain Brain Wave had a son that called himself Brain Wave Jr. and became a member of InfinityInc. Of course, he's now gone a long way from being the hero that he was.
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* This is largely Sai Akuto's goal in ''IchibanUshiroNoDaimaou''. Of course, it's rather hard to win the trust of the people when the [[strike:[[HarryPotter Sorting Hat]]]] vocational raven says that you're going to be a ''Demon King''. [[spoiler:Things aren't as white and black as they seems.]]
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** To lesser extent, the Loyalist of Thule.
* ''{{Exalted}}'': Some of the modern Solars try to be this. Even the Abyssals and Infernals can at least ''try''.
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* ''HunterTheVigil'': The life tenet of the [[DarkIsNotEvil Lucifuge]] is basically "we ''are'' {{Satan}}'s children, but we protect humanity from the darkness". They are also the nicest Hunters when it comes to dealing with the more decent supernaturals. The other children of Satan, [[CompleteMonster however]]...
** To lesser extent, the Loyalist of Thule.
* ''{{Exalted}}'': Some of the modern Solars try to be this. Even the Abyssals and Infernals can at least ''try''.
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* In a way, Dark Schneider in {{Bastard}} is one of these. The original Dark Schneider was pretty much an EvilOverlord, but then was sealed in a young boy. Thanks to the goodness of the "container", while the new Dark Schneider has the personality of the original (a lecherous egomaniac), he is a saint compared to the original.
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* In a way, Dark Schneider in {{Bastard}} is one of these. The original Dark Schneider was pretty much an EvilOverlord, but then was sealed in a young boy. Thanks to the goodness of the "container", while the new Dark Schneider has the personality of the original (a lecherous egomaniac), he is a saint compared to the original.
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* In the Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} universe, Phil Ulrich stumbled on a Green Goblin costume and got doused in the SuperSerum (note, it was explicitly this -- unlike the earlier PsychoSerum, this one didn't make you insane), producing the irony of a guy a lot like Peter Parker (snarky journalist UnluckyEverydude) taking on the identity of Peter's worst enemy. In the main Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} series, Ulrich did end up suffering from mental problems from the Goblin identity, although never to the point of pulling and ultimately pulled a FaceHeelTurn. FaceHeelTurn.
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** And, the series has another example in Brenda Drago, Raptor, who ends up marrying Normie Osborn. She's the daughter of Blackie Drago, the second Vulture and started out as a criminal, but then reformed and became an antihero.
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** Also in the ''Spider Girl'' series is Normie Osborn. Following his father and grandfather, he took on the Green Goblin identity as a villain, but after conquering his demons ended up being a ReedeemingReplacement for Venom (although he doesn't call himself that)- he was forcibly merged with the symbiote but managed to stay mostly sane with it and fight crime. Similarly to the irony with Ulrich, Normie is a friend and love interest to May Parker, despite running around in the costume of one of her father' worst enemies.
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* In the Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} universe, Phil Ulrich stumbled on a Green Goblin costume and got doused in the SuperSerum (note, it was explicitly this -- unlike the earlier PsychoSerum, this one didn't make you insane), and so you get the irony of a guy rather like Peter Parker (snarky journalist UnluckyEverydude) taking on the identity of Peter's worst enemy. It is fair to note that in the main Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} series, Ulrich actually did end up suffering from mental problems from the Goblin identity, although never to the point of pulling a FaceHeelTurn. In the ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Girl}}'' series, things went better, and he is an HonoraryUncle to the heroine.
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* In the Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} universe, Phil Ulrich stumbled on a Green Goblin costume and got doused in the SuperSerum (note, it was explicitly this -- unlike the earlier PsychoSerum, this one didn't make you insane), and so you get producing the irony of a guy rather a lot like Peter Parker (snarky journalist UnluckyEverydude) taking on the identity of Peter's worst enemy. It is fair to note that in In the main Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}} series, Ulrich actually did end up suffering from mental problems from the Goblin identity, although never to the point of pulling a FaceHeelTurn. FaceHeelTurn.
** In the ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Girl}}'' series, things went better, and he is an HonoraryUncle to theheroine.heroine, and has moonlighted as a superhero in both his Green Goblin costume and as the "Golden Goblin" (basically a PaletteSwap Hobgoblin).
** Also in the ''Spider Girl'' series is Normie Osborn. Following his father and grandfather, he took on the Green Goblin identity as a villain, but after conquering his demons ended up being a ReedeemingReplacement for Venom (although he doesn't call himself that)- he was forcibly merged with the symbiote but managed to stay mostly sane with it and fight crime. Similarly to the irony with Ulrich, Normie is a friend and love interest to May Parker, despite running around in the costume of one of her father' worst enemies.
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** Not that young, she's [[HotScientist old enough to have a doctorate in astronomy]] and be a MamaBear at the same time. Toyman is a teenager.
** Not that young, she's [[HotScientist old enough to have a doctorate in astronomy]] and be a MamaBear at the same time. Toyman is a teenager.
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** Not that young, she's [[HotScientist old enough to have a doctorate in astronomy]] and be a MamaBear at the same time.Toyman is a teenager.Japanese genius who is a HotScientist and MammaBear.
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* Faust, a (generally) heroic magic-user in the DCU is the son of ''{{JusticeLeagueOfAmerica}}'' villain Felix Faust.
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* In the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', the current Stuntman (a hero) is the only son of the original Stuntman (a villain). The father of Dream Catcher, a psychic hero with the power to turn dreams into reality, was active as a villain in the late 1970s/early 1980s and used the same name and the same powers (he's now in a mental institution).