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Related to EvilGloating and WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied. Usually a very good way to push the RelativeButton.

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Related to EvilGloating EvilGloating, ReminiscingAboutYourVictims and WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied. Usually a very good way to push the RelativeButton.



'''Archibald Cunningham:''' I will tell you something, to take with you. Your wife was far sweeter forced than many are willing. And truth put to it, I think not all of her objected...

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'''Archibald Cunningham:''' I will tell you something, to take with you. [[ReminiscingAboutYourVictims Your wife was far sweeter forced than many are willing.willing]]. And truth put to it, I think not all of her objected...
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** More like Maximus had already spent nearly the entire movie in an Unstoppable Rage so ramping it up from there over a few last minute insults would have just been unnecessary.
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And no, '''[[NoRealLifeExamplesPlease we do not need Real Life examples.]]''' Mostly because it's ''[[BlatantLies stupid]]''.

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And no, '''[[NoRealLifeExamplesPlease we do not need Real Life examples.]]''' Mostly because this is a ''[[BlatantLies stupid]]'' way to defend yourself if you're the rapist.

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And no, '''[[NoRealLifeExamplesPlease we do not need Real Life examples.]]''' Mostly because this is a it's ''[[BlatantLies stupid]]'' way to defend yourself if you're the rapist.stupid]]''.
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* The ''BattleRoyale'' manga got really nasty with this in the beginning.
* ''{{Fractale}}'' has a retroactive version of this trope. The [[spoiler:[[BigBad male military commander]] reveals just how he's been testing and examining the mysterious waif]].



* ''{{Fractale}}'' has a retroactive version of this trope. The [[spoiler:[[BigBad male military commander]] reveals just how he's been testing and examining the mysterious waif]].
* The ''BattleRoyale'' manga got really nasty with this in the beginning.
* [[BigBad Nakago]] tries to pull this on Tamahome in ''FushigiYuugi'', even going so far as to [[HoYay "show" Tamahome how he kissed Miaka.]] [[spoiler: Nakago never actually raped Miaka, partly because Suzaku was protecting her, and partly because [[RapeAsBackstory it hit too close to home for him]]. So it ended up being one of those "let's not and say we did" kinda things. Both Tamahome and Miaka believe he raped her, though.]]

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* ''{{Fractale}}'' has a retroactive version of this trope. The [[spoiler:[[BigBad male military commander]] reveals just how he's been testing and examining the mysterious waif]].
* The ''BattleRoyale'' manga got really nasty with this in the beginning.
* [[BigBad Nakago]] tries to pull this on Tamahome in ''FushigiYuugi'', even going so far as to [[HoYay "show" Tamahome how he kissed Miaka.]] [[spoiler: Nakago never actually raped Miaka, partly because Suzaku was protecting her, and partly because [[RapeAsBackstory it hit too close to home for him]]. So it ended up being one of those "let's not and say we did" kinda things. Both Tamahome and Miaka believe he raped her, though.]] ]]



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* Happens in the GraphicNovel ''{{Joker}}'', done ''by'' the Joker to [[DesignatedHero Johnny Johnny's]] wife [[RantInducingSlight all because]] Johnny didn't tell him he had a wife.
* In ''ComicBook/TheSandman'', Loki [[spoiler: after having his neck broken and his eyes eaten by the Corinthian]] tries to goad Thor into killing him by revealing that he had seduced Thor's wife Sif. He goes into rather lurid detail too.



* In ''TheSandman'', Loki [[spoiler: after having his neck broken and his eyes eaten by the Corinthian]] tries to goad Thor into killing him by revealing that he had seduced Thor's wife Sif. He goes into rather lurid detail too.
* Happens in the GraphicNovel ''{{Joker}}'', done ''by'' the Joker to [[DesignatedHero Johnny Johnny's]] wife [[RantInducingSlight all because]] Johnny didn't tell him he had a wife.



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* In ''[[TheDevilsAdvocate The Devil's Advocate]]'': "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the Lomaxes' household—I'd say, not to be immodest, Mary Ann and I got it on at about...SEVEN!"

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* In ''[[TheDevilsAdvocate The Devil's Advocate]]'': ''TheDevilsAdvocate'': "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the Lomaxes' household—I'd say, not to be immodest, Mary Ann and I got it on at about...SEVEN!"



* In ''{{Gladiator}}'', Commodus tells Maximus that his wife "moaned like a whore" while Commodus's men raped her. Interestingly, [[UnstoppableRage Unstoppable Rage]] didn't ensue. Doesn't mean Maximus didn't kill him when he got the chance, though.

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* In ''{{Gladiator}}'', Commodus tells Maximus that his wife "moaned like a whore" while Commodus's men raped her. Interestingly, [[UnstoppableRage Unstoppable Rage]] UnstoppableRage didn't ensue. Doesn't mean Maximus didn't kill him when he got the chance, though.



'''Archibald Cunningham:''' I will tell you something, to take with you. Your wife was far sweeter forced than many are willing. And truth put to it, I think not all of her objected...

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* In RoaldDahl's short story ''The Great Switcheroo'' the protagonist Vic entices his friend into a mutual BedTrick so they can sleep with each other's wives. They go to great lengths to make sure the wives don't find out, wearing each other's cologne, discussing their bedtime routine, technique and so on. Vic is dismissive of his friend's technique, but is crushed the next morning when his wife tells him that she had never really enjoyed sex until last night.

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* In RoaldDahl's Creator/RoaldDahl's short story ''The Great Switcheroo'' the protagonist Vic entices his friend into a mutual BedTrick so they can sleep with each other's wives. They go to great lengths to make sure the wives don't find out, wearing each other's cologne, discussing their bedtime routine, technique and so on. Vic is dismissive of his friend's technique, but is crushed the next morning when his wife tells him that she had never really enjoyed sex until last night.



* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Euron Greyjoy raped Victarion's wife and claimed it was consensual, in order to force Victarion to kill her under Ironborn law.

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* Invoked a couple of times on ''Series/RobinHood'' between Guy, Marian and Robin. Guy never actually ''does'' manage to deflower Marian; but after their coersive engagement Guy tells Robin: "I'll laugh every time I..." (interrupted by Robin's punch) and then later says: "I'll [[HoYay think of you]] when I take her to the marriage bed."
* On ''{{Series/Heroes}}'', Sylar possesses Matt Parkman's body and sleeps with his wife. He later brags that she enjoyed Sylar's version more than she ever enjoyed Matt's.



* On ''TheShield'', Vic seduces [[InspectorJavert Lt. Kavanaugh's]] ex-wife (for whom he still carries a major torch), just to get in Kavanaugh's head. Kavanaugh learns about it first from ''her''. Vic merely twists the knife when confronted.
--> '''Vic:''' [whispering in Kavanaugh's ear] Your ex-wife's pussy... tastes like sweet, sweet butter.



* On ''Series/{{Heroes}}'', Sylar possesses Matt Parkman's body and sleeps with his wife. He later brags that she enjoyed Sylar's version more than she ever enjoyed Matt's.
* Invoked a couple of times on ''Series/RobinHood'' between Guy, Marian and Robin. Guy never actually ''does'' manage to deflower Marian; but after their coersive engagement Guy tells Robin: "I'll laugh every time I..." (interrupted by Robin's punch) and then later says: "I'll [[HoYay think of you]] when I take her to the marriage bed."
* On ''TheShield'', Vic seduces [[InspectorJavert Lt. Kavanaugh's]] ex-wife (for whom he still carries a major torch), just to get in Kavanaugh's head. Kavanaugh learns about it first from ''her''. Vic merely twists the knife when confronted.
--> '''Vic:''' [whispering in Kavanaugh's ear] Your ex-wife's pussy... tastes like sweet, sweet butter.



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It\'s Not Rape If You Enjoyed It to Not If They Enjoyed It Rationalization per Rape Tropes Special Efforts thread


Compare[=/=]contrast with ItsNotRapeIfYouEnjoyedIt, where the victim does like it, whereas this is just the villain [[KickTheDog lying for the sake of being a total prick]]. One variation has the villain not directly engaging in the act himself, but instead orders his lieutenant(s) to carry out the deed, with the same obvious end-result. Not ''always'', but ''usually'' done with [[AlwaysMale male villain]]/[[AlwaysMale male hero]]/[[AlwaysFemale female victim]]. Frequently provokes UnstoppableRage and/or ExtremeMeleeRevenge.

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Compare[=/=]contrast with ItsNotRapeIfYouEnjoyedIt, NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization, where the victim does like it, whereas this is just the villain [[KickTheDog lying for the sake of being a total prick]]. One variation has the villain not directly engaging in the act himself, but instead orders his lieutenant(s) to carry out the deed, with the same obvious end-result. Not ''always'', but ''usually'' done with [[AlwaysMale male villain]]/[[AlwaysMale male hero]]/[[AlwaysFemale female victim]]. Frequently provokes UnstoppableRage and/or ExtremeMeleeRevenge.
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* In ''FamilyGuy'', when Stewie is trying to get rid of Brian's replacement, New Brian, he tells him that nobody in the family likes him. New Brian retorts that Stewie's teddy bear Rupert seemed to like him while he was humping him last night, as "he just lay there and took it. Stewie remains calm and silent for a moment, then the scene cuts to him [[GoryDiscretionShot dragging a blood-stained trash bag out to the curb.]]

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* In ''FamilyGuy'', when Stewie is trying to get rid of Brian's replacement, New Brian, he tells him that nobody in the family likes him. New Brian retorts that Stewie's teddy bear Rupert seemed to like him while he was humping him last night, as "he just lay there and took it. " Stewie remains calm and silent for a moment, then the scene cuts to him [[GoryDiscretionShot dragging a blood-stained trash bag out to the curb.]]
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* In ''FamilyGuy'', when Stewie is trying to get rid of Brian's replacement, New Brian, he tells him that nobody in the family likes him. New Brian retorts that Stewie's teddy bear Rupert seemed to like him while he was humping him last night, as "he just lay there and took it. Stewie remains calm and silent for a moment, then the scene cuts to him [[GoryDiscretionShot dragging a blood-stained trash bag out to the curb.]]
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* A minor villain in ''TheDestroyer'' believes that it is not only a man's right, but in fact his duty and obligation to have sex with women whenever he can, regardless of what they feel about it. He even boasts that he's "shown a few lesbians what they're missing out on".

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* A minor villain in ''TheDestroyer'' believes that it is not only a man's right, but in fact his duty and obligation to have sex with women whenever he can, regardless of what they feel about it. He even boasts that he's "shown a few lesbians what they're missing out on".on." Needless to say, no one feels any sympathy for him when he gets his at the hands of Remo and Chiun.



* In the ''CriminalMinds'' episode "Paradise," the Un Sub asks one of his victims if she's ever wondered what it's like to be with a real man right before he rapes her in front of her unconscious husband. Then he taunts them both about the husband's "weakness" for being unable to protect the wife

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* In the ''CriminalMinds'' episode "Paradise," the Un Sub asks one of his victims if she's ever wondered what it's like to be with a real man right before he rapes her in front of her unconscious husband. Then he taunts them both about the husband's "weakness" for being unable to protect the wifewife.



* A rather unique (but no less depressing) example occurs in ''ADanceWithRogues''. The protagonist is a female, and it is ''her'' who ends up being a victim of rape; immediately afterwards, the rapist laughs at her pain and callously taunts her. Later, this man (who she is ''forced'' to work with as an ally) makes contant jabs at her, spreading nasty lies and making snide comments all over the place in regards to what he did to her.

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* A rather unique (but no less depressing) example occurs in ''ADanceWithRogues''. The protagonist is a female, and it is ''her'' who ends up being a victim of rape; immediately afterwards, the rapist laughs at her pain and callously taunts her. Later, this man (who she is ''forced'' to work with as an ally) makes contant constant jabs at her, spreading nasty lies and making snide comments all over the place in regards to what he did to her.



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Compare[=/=]contrast with [=~It's Not Rape If You Enjoyed It~=], where the victim does like it, whereas this is just the villain [[KickTheDog lying for the sake of being a total prick]]. One variation has the villain not directly engaging in the act himself, but instead orders his lieutenant(s) to carry out the deed, with the same obvious end-result. Not ''always'', but ''usually'' done with [[AlwaysMale male villain]]/[[AlwaysMale male hero]]/[[AlwaysFemale female victim]]. Frequently provokes UnstoppableRage and/or ExtremeMeleeRevenge.

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Compare[=/=]contrast with [=~It's Not Rape If You Enjoyed It~=], ItsNotRapeIfYouEnjoyedIt, where the victim does like it, whereas this is just the villain [[KickTheDog lying for the sake of being a total prick]]. One variation has the villain not directly engaging in the act himself, but instead orders his lieutenant(s) to carry out the deed, with the same obvious end-result. Not ''always'', but ''usually'' done with [[AlwaysMale male villain]]/[[AlwaysMale male hero]]/[[AlwaysFemale female victim]]. Frequently provokes UnstoppableRage and/or ExtremeMeleeRevenge.
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* ''{{Highlander}}'' - Centuries after he rapes her, the Kurgan taunts Macleod that this is the reason his wife never told him about it.

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* ''{{Highlander}}'' ''Film/{{Highlander}}'' - Centuries after he rapes her, the Kurgan taunts Macleod that this is the reason his wife never told him about it.
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* Also from Bond, in ''LicenseToKill'', Dario and his men taunt Felix Leiter with news of their murder of his new wife, among other things telling him, "We gave her a nice honeymoon," implying that they raped her before killing her. Then they feed Felix to a shark.

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* Also from Bond, in ''LicenseToKill'', ''Film/LicenceToKill'', Dario and his men taunt Felix Leiter with news of their murder of his new wife, among other things telling him, "We gave her a nice honeymoon," implying that they raped her before killing her. Then they feed Felix to a shark.
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* Done in an episode of ''ColdCase'', when a father tracked down and confronted the pedophile who had abducted his son, and again, when the younger brother of a rape victim confronted the rapist.

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* In ''{{Braveheart}}'', King Edward the Longshanks attempts to invoke this trope by establishing the law of ''[[DroitDuSeigneur Prima Nocte]]'', which grants English lords the sexual right to take any Scottish girl for himself on her wedding night. He figures with this in place, some of his lords will both be more eager to rule in Scotland, and more thoroughly keep the Scots under their thumb. We witness this happen at one wedding, and later while William Wallace is leading an attack on the English garrison, the husband of that woman confronts the lord who carried off his bride on their wedding day. When the lord sees the husband coming at him with UnstoppableRage and a drawn weapon, rather than bragging, he tries feebly protesting that he never hurt the girl and was just utilizing his legal right.
--> '''Lord Bottoms:''' I never did her any harm. It was my right!
--> '''Morrison:''' Your ''right?'' Well, I am here to claim the right of a husband!
--> [''Morrison kills Lord Bottoms'']
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* ''Fractale'' has a retroactive version of this trope. The [[spoiler:[[BigBad male military commander]] reveals just how he's been testing and examining the mysterious waif]].

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* In AdamCadre's ''Ready, Okay'', Carver Fringie claims this [[spoiler: about Peggy]].

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* In ''TheWheelOfTime'', Eamon Valda tries to provoke Galad by gloating about how he raped Galad's stepmother. [[spoiler:Galad kills him.]]

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-->'''Valda:''' She was the best ride I ever had, and I hope to ride her again someday.

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* A rather unique (but no less depressing) example occurs in ''ADanceWithRogues''. The protagonist is a female, and it is ''her'' who ends up being a victim of rape; immediately afterwards, the rapist laughs at her pain and callously taunts her. Later, this man (who she is ''forced'' to work with as an ally) makes contant jabs at her, spreading nasty lies and making snide comments all over the place in regards to what he did to her.



* A rather unique (but no less depressing) example occurs in ''ADanceWithRogues''. The protagonist is a female, and it is ''her'' who ends up being a victim of rape; afterwards, her rapist (who she is ''forced'' to work with as an ally) makes contant jabs at her, spreading nasty lies and making snide comments all over the place in regards to what he did to her.

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* A rather unique (but no less depressing) example occurs in ''ADanceWithRogues''. The protagonist is a female, and it is ''her'' who ends up being a victim of rape; afterwards, her rapist (who she is ''forced'' to work with as an ally) makes contant jabs at her, spreading nasty lies and making snide comments all over the place in regards to what he did to her.

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* A rather unique (but no less depressing) example occurs in ''ADanceWithRogues''. The protagonist is a female, and it is ''her'' who ends up being a victim of rape; afterwards, her rapist (who she is ''forced'' to work with as an ally) makes contant jabs at her, spreading nasty lies and making snide comments all over the place in regards to what he did to her.
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* Happens in ''{{Anime/Monster}}''. Inspector Lunge's wife and daughter left him due to his obsession with work. During the climactic battle, Roberto implies that his wife was having an affair with him and really enjoyed it, causing the normally emotionless and robotic Lunge to momentarily lose his cool.
** ''True Blue'' is an especially glaring example.



* Happens in the GraphicNovel ''{{Joker}}'', done ''by'' the Joker to [[DesignatedHero Johnny Johnny's]] wife [[RantInducingSlight all because]] Johnny didn't tell him he had a wife. Joker fans were... quite divided about this event...

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* Happens in the GraphicNovel ''{{Joker}}'', done ''by'' the Joker to [[DesignatedHero Johnny Johnny's]] wife [[RantInducingSlight all because]] Johnny didn't tell him he had a wife. Joker fans were... quite divided about this event...



* Gender-reversed a couple of times in ''The Shadow Chronicles'', first with a spider demon taunting Akane about what she'd done to Ranma [[spoiler: we never actually find out if she really did rape him physically, but she most certainly did mentally, as well as Other Things]] and [[OnAClearDayYouCanSeeForever later]] with a succubus taunting Sailor Moon about what she'd done to Tuxedo Mask [[spoiler: And it's rather obvious that that one's telling the truth, because both the reader and Sailor Moon actually see it happen.]]

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* Gender-reversed a couple of times in ''The Shadow Chronicles'', first with a spider demon taunting Akane about what she'd done to Ranma [[spoiler: we never actually find out if she really did rape him physically, but she most certainly did mentally, as well as Other Things]] and [[OnAClearDayYouCanSeeForever later]] with a succubus taunting Sailor Moon about what she'd done to Tuxedo Mask [[spoiler: And it's rather obvious that that one's telling the truth, because both the reader and Sailor Moon actually see it happen.]]Mask.



* In TheFilmOfTheBook of ''TheCrow'', Tin-Tin tells the title character, whose girlfriend was raped by him and his friends, that "I shagged her pink ass and she ''loooooved'' it!" He comes to regret these words.
* In ''{{Gladiator}}'', Commodus tells Maximus that his wife "moaned like a whore" while Commodus' men raped her. Interestingly, [[UnstoppableRage Unstoppable Rage]] didn't ensue. Doesn't mean Maximus didn't kill him when he got the chance, though. It did, however, mean that Commodus' guardians refused to give him a second sword during his fight with Maximus after he got disarmed.

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* In TheFilmOfTheBook of ''TheCrow'', Tin-Tin tells taunts the title character, whose girlfriend was raped by him and his friends, that "I shagged her pink ass and she ''loooooved'' it!" friends. He comes to regret these words.
* In ''{{Gladiator}}'', Commodus tells Maximus that his wife "moaned like a whore" while Commodus' Commodus's men raped her. Interestingly, [[UnstoppableRage Unstoppable Rage]] didn't ensue. Doesn't mean Maximus didn't kill him when he got the chance, though. It did, however, mean that Commodus' guardians refused to give him a second sword during his fight with Maximus after he got disarmed.

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For a villain, there are many ways to get to the hero, to really make him hurt. One popular way is through his loved ones, and one of the most effective methods is to [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty violate his love interest]] and then gloat about it to him. Maybe kill her after, if you wanna be a real dick. And if you ''really'' want to twist the knife, when he confronts you, tell him ''she enjoyed it''.

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For a villain, there are many ways to get to the hero, to really make him hurt. One popular way is through his loved ones, and one of the most effective methods is to [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty violate his love interest]] and then gloat about it to him. Maybe They might kill her after, if you wanna be a real dick. And if you ''really'' they want to twist the knife, when he confronts you, tell him ''she enjoyed it''.
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Related to EvilGloating and WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied Usually a very good way to push the RelativeButton.

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Related to EvilGloating and WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied. Usually a very good way to push the RelativeButton.



* In ''FullMetalPanic'', this was originally part of Gauron's MurderTheHypotenuse plan for Kaname (seeing how she was "[[DefrostingIceQueen softening]]" the beautiful Assassin Saint Kashim). Before killing her, he wanted her body to be violently raped and violated. He might've done it himself, except for the fact that [[spoiler: he was kinda missing his arms and legs, which would make it a tad hard for him to get there and do that]]. So instead, he orders one of the [[WifeHusbandry male twins he raised]] to do the deed in his stead. [[CompleteMonster Further, he wanted the man to take pictures of her raped, dead body and give them to him, so that he could show them to Sousuke.]] Thankfullly, she doesn't actually under go this.

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* In ''FullMetalPanic'', this was originally part of Gauron's MurderTheHypotenuse plan for Kaname (seeing how she was "[[DefrostingIceQueen softening]]" the beautiful Assassin Saint Kashim). Before killing her, he wanted her body to be violently raped and violated. He might've done it himself, except for the fact that [[spoiler: he was kinda missing his arms and legs, which would make it a tad hard for him to get there and do that]]. So instead, he orders one of the [[WifeHusbandry male twins he raised]] to do the deed in his stead. [[CompleteMonster Further, he wanted the man to take pictures of her raped, dead body and give them to him, so that he could show them to Sousuke.]] Thankfullly, she doesn't actually under go undergo this.



* {{Hentai}} often has this in rape-themed stories; sometimes the girl ''will'' end up enjoying it and asking for more, screwing her boyfriend or seeming love interest over. Her reason is usually that [[BiggerIsBetterInBed the often ugly rapist's dick is just too big and the boyfriend's small by comparison dick won't be able to satisfy her]] (despite the fact she has never had sex with him because the rapist will be the one to take her virginity). FetishFuel for many male viewers and some female viewers too.



* [[http://www.reocities.com/Area51/5072/grstories/ENDGAME.TXT "Endgame"]] by Tara O'Shea, the first-known ''[[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfTheGalaxyRangers Galaxy Rangers]]'' fanfic on the web, used this [[spoiler: And it's ''really'' too bad Killbane survived the stab wounds. He does ''not'' survive Niko frying his mind, however.]]

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* [[http://www.reocities.com/Area51/5072/grstories/ENDGAME.TXT "Endgame"]] Endgame by Tara O'Shea, the first-known ''[[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfTheGalaxyRangers Galaxy Rangers]]'' fanfic on the web, used this [[spoiler: And it's ''really'' too bad Killbane survived the stab wounds. He does ''not'' survive Niko frying his mind, however.]] this.



* At the beginning of ''{{Daredevil}}'', a rapist tells Murdock his client enjoyed it.
** In this case, he actually has a real reason...he's arguing it was consensual.



* ''{{Kickboxer}}'' does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck." This is in reference to Kurt Sloane's girlfriend Mylee, whom Tong Po had beaten and raped a few days before the big fight.

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* ''{{Kickboxer}}'' does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood "Good fuck." This is in reference to Kurt Sloane's girlfriend Mylee, whom Tong Po had beaten and raped a few days before the big fight.



* In ''Forced Vengeance'', GiantMook Karn tells Randall (ChuckNorris) that his girlfriend (found raped and murdered in the previous scene) was [[YouNoTakeCandle "Goooood fuck!"]]. Randall proceeds to teach Karn what [[DestinationDefenestration "defenestration" means]].

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* In ''Forced Vengeance'', GiantMook Karn tells Randall (ChuckNorris) that his girlfriend (found raped and murdered in the previous scene) was [[YouNoTakeCandle "Goooood "Good fuck!"]]. Randall proceeds to teach Karn what [[DestinationDefenestration "defenestration" means]].



* In ''{{Rocky}} 3'', top contender Clubber Lang is upset that Rocky won't give him the title shot he deserves. After interrupting a ceremony of Philadelphia dedicating to Rocky a public statue in his likeness, Clubber makes an appeal directly to Rocky, then to the crowd. When those fail, he decides to make things a little more personal.
--> '''Clubber:''' ''*to Adrian*'' Hey, woman! Hey, woman! Listen here. Since your old man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a ''real'' man. I bet you stay up late every night dreaming you had a real man, don't you? I'll tell you what: bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight, and I'll show you a real man.
--> '''Rocky:''' '''''[[ThisIsUnforgivable YOU WANT IT? YOU GOT IT!]]'''''



--> '''Lord Bottoms:''' I never did her any harm. It was my right!
--> '''Morrison:''' Your ''right?'' Well, I am here to claim the right of a husband! (Kills Lord Bottoms and spits on his corpse)



* In ''DeceptionPoint'' the villain's internal monologue states that he "Had no doubt it was the most pleasurable experience of her life." Although it was a case of seducing a naive-ish assistant (with some racist overtones) rather than actual rape.



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* In Act 2 of ''DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog'', Captain Hammer brags to the titular character about how he is going to give Penny (Dr. Horrible's LoveInterest) "the night of her life." Though so far as we know, it's consensual.
--> '''Captain Hammer''': You've got a little crush, don't you, Doc. Well, that's gonna make this hard to hear. See, later, I'm gonna take little Penny back to my place. Show her the command center, [[{{Thememobile}} Hammercycle, maybe even the Hamjet]]. You think she likes me now? I'm gonna give Penny the night of her life, just because you want her. And I get what you want. See, Penny's giving it up, she's giving it up hard. Cause she's with Captain Hammer. And these...
-->[Hammer holds up his fists]
-->...are not the hammer.
-->[Hammer leaves, then returns]
-->[[DontExplainTheJoke The hammer is]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny my penis]].
* In his review of ''FinalFantasyVIII'', [[TheSpoonyExperiment Spoony]] comments on Squall and Rinoa's "great romance", by reminding us, in graphic detail, [[LovableSexManiac even for him]], that Seifer "got there first".
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* ''{{Kickboxer}}'' does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck." This is in relation to Kurt Sloane's girlfriend Mylee, whom Tong Po had beaten and raped on the days leading up to the big fight.
* In ''RobRoy'' Cunningham rapes [=MacGregor's=] wife, who avoids telling her husband for fear that he will do something reckless to avenge her honor. Rob does eventually find out, and when he's captured by Cunningham they have the following conversation:

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* ''{{Kickboxer}}'' does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck." This is in relation reference to Kurt Sloane's girlfriend Mylee, whom Tong Po had beaten and raped on the a few days leading up to before the big fight.
* In ''RobRoy'' Archibald Cunningham rapes Robert Roy [=MacGregor's=] wife, who avoids telling her husband for fear that he will do something reckless to avenge her honor. Rob does eventually find out, and when he's captured by Cunningham they have the following conversation:



* Also from Bond, in ''LicenseToKill'' the villain's henchmen explain, "We gave her a nice honeymoon," implying they did this to Felix Leiter's wife before killing her. Then they feed Felix to a shark.

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* Also from Bond, in ''LicenseToKill'' the villain's henchmen explain, ''LicenseToKill'', Dario and his men taunt Felix Leiter with news of their murder of his new wife, among other things telling him, "We gave her a nice honeymoon," implying that they did this to Felix Leiter's wife raped her before killing her. Then they feed Felix to a shark.



* In ''{{Braveheart}}'', King Edward attempts to invoke this trope by establishing the law of ''[[DroitDuSeigneur Prima Nocte]]'', which grants English lords the sexual right to take any Scottish girl for himself on her wedding night. He figures with this in place, some of his lords will both be more eager to rule in Scotland, and more thoroughly keep the Scots under their thumb. We witness this happen at one wedding, and later while William Wallace is leading an attack on the English garrison, the husband of that woman confronts the lord who carried off his bride on their wedding day. When the lord sees the husband coming at him with UnstoppableRage and a drawn weapon, rather than bragging, he tries feebly protesting that he never hurt the girl and was just utilizing his legal right.

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* In ''{{Braveheart}}'', King Edward the Longshanks attempts to invoke this trope by establishing the law of ''[[DroitDuSeigneur Prima Nocte]]'', which grants English lords the sexual right to take any Scottish girl for himself on her wedding night. He figures with this in place, some of his lords will both be more eager to rule in Scotland, and more thoroughly keep the Scots under their thumb. We witness this happen at one wedding, and later while William Wallace is leading an attack on the English garrison, the husband of that woman confronts the lord who carried off his bride on their wedding day. When the lord sees the husband coming at him with UnstoppableRage and a drawn weapon, rather than bragging, he tries feebly protesting that he never hurt the girl and was just utilizing his legal right.



--> '''Morrison:''' Your ''right?'' Well, I am here to claim the right of a husband! (Kills the lord and spits on his body)

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--> '''Morrison:''' Your ''right?'' Well, I am here to claim the right of a husband! (Kills the lord Lord Bottoms and spits on his body)corpse)
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* ''{{Kickboxer}}'' does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck." This is in relation to Kurt Sloane's girlfriend Mylee, whom Tong Po had brutalized the night before the big fight.

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* ''{{Kickboxer}}'' does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck." This is in relation to Kurt Sloane's girlfriend Mylee, whom Tong Po had brutalized beaten and raped on the night before days leading up to the big fight.
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* {{Kickboxer}} does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck."

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* {{Kickboxer}} ''{{Kickboxer}}'' does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck."" This is in relation to Kurt Sloane's girlfriend Mylee, whom Tong Po had brutalized the night before the big fight.
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* In ''{{Braveheart}}'', King Edward attempts to invoke this trope by establishing the law of Prima Nocta, which grants English lords the sexual right to take any Scottish girl for himself on her wedding night. He figures with this in place, some of his lords will both be more eager to rule in Scotland, and more thoroughly keep the Scots under their thumb. We witness this happen at one wedding, and later while William Wallace is leading an attack on the English garrison, the husband of that woman confronts the lord who carried off his bride on their wedding day. When the lord sees the husband coming at him with UnstoppableRage and a drawn weapon, rather than bragging, he tries feebly protesting that he never hurt the girl and was just utilizing his legal right.

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* In ''{{Braveheart}}'', King Edward attempts to invoke this trope by establishing the law of ''[[DroitDuSeigneur Prima Nocta, Nocte]]'', which grants English lords the sexual right to take any Scottish girl for himself on her wedding night. He figures with this in place, some of his lords will both be more eager to rule in Scotland, and more thoroughly keep the Scots under their thumb. We witness this happen at one wedding, and later while William Wallace is leading an attack on the English garrison, the husband of that woman confronts the lord who carried off his bride on their wedding day. When the lord sees the husband coming at him with UnstoppableRage and a drawn weapon, rather than bragging, he tries feebly protesting that he never hurt the girl and was just utilizing his legal right.

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For a villain, there are many ways to get to the hero, to really make him hurt. One popular way is through his loved ones, and one of the most effective methods is to [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty violate his love interest]] and then gloat about it to him. Maybe kill her after, if you wanna be a real dick. And if you ''really'' want to twist the knife, when he confronts you, tell him ''she enjoyed it''.

Compare[=/=]contrast with [=~It's Not Rape If You Enjoyed It~=], where the victim does like it, whereas this is just the villain [[KickTheDog lying for the sake of being a total prick]]. One variation has the villain not directly engaging in the act himself, but instead orders his lieutenant(s) to carry out the deed, with the same obvious end-result. Not ''always'', but ''usually'' done with [[AlwaysMale male villain]]/[[AlwaysMale male hero]]/[[AlwaysFemale female victim]]. Frequently provokes UnstoppableRage and/or ExtremeMeleeRevenge.

Related to EvilGloating and WouldYouLikeToHearHowTheyDied Usually a very good way to push the RelativeButton.
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[[folder:{{Anime and Manga}}]]
* In ''FullMetalPanic'', this was originally part of Gauron's MurderTheHypotenuse plan for Kaname (seeing how she was "[[DefrostingIceQueen softening]]" the beautiful Assassin Saint Kashim). Before killing her, he wanted her body to be violently raped and violated. He might've done it himself, except for the fact that [[spoiler: he was kinda missing his arms and legs, which would make it a tad hard for him to get there and do that]]. So instead, he orders one of the [[WifeHusbandry male twins he raised]] to do the deed in his stead. [[CompleteMonster Further, he wanted the man to take pictures of her raped, dead body and give them to him, so that he could show them to Sousuke.]] Thankfullly, she doesn't actually under go this.
* ''Fractale'' has a retroactive version of this trope. The [[spoiler:[[BigBad male military commander]] reveals just how he's been testing and examining the mysterious waif]].
* The ''BattleRoyale'' manga got really nasty with this in the beginning.
* [[BigBad Nakago]] tries to pull this on Tamahome in ''FushigiYuugi'', even going so far as to [[HoYay "show" Tamahome how he kissed Miaka.]] [[spoiler: Nakago never actually raped Miaka, partly because Suzaku was protecting her, and partly because [[RapeAsBackstory it hit too close to home for him]]. So it ended up being one of those "let's not and say we did" kinda things. Both Tamahome and Miaka believe he raped her, though.]]
* Happens in ''{{Anime/Monster}}''. Inspector Lunge's wife and daughter left him due to his obsession with work. During the climactic battle, Roberto implies that his wife was having an affair with him and really enjoyed it, causing the normally emotionless and robotic Lunge to momentarily lose his cool.
* {{Hentai}} often has this in rape-themed stories; sometimes the girl ''will'' end up enjoying it and asking for more, screwing her boyfriend or seeming love interest over. Her reason is usually that [[BiggerIsBetterInBed the often ugly rapist's dick is just too big and the boyfriend's small by comparison dick won't be able to satisfy her]] (despite the fact she has never had sex with him because the rapist will be the one to take her virginity). FetishFuel for many male viewers and some female viewers too.
** ''True Blue'' is an especially glaring example.
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[[folder:ComicBooks]]
* In the backstory of ''ArkhamAsylumASeriousHouseOnSeriousEarth'', the murderer who killed Arkham's wife and daughter tells him that they "begged him to abuse them" and calls his daughter a whore.
* Played straight in the ''SpaceGhost'' comic, which is generally [[{{Grimmification}} Grimmified]].
* In ''TheSandman'', Loki [[spoiler: after having his neck broken and his eyes eaten by the Corinthian]] tries to goad Thor into killing him by revealing that he had seduced Thor's wife Sif. He goes into rather lurid detail too.
* Happens in the GraphicNovel ''{{Joker}}'', done ''by'' the Joker to [[DesignatedHero Johnny Johnny's]] wife [[RantInducingSlight all because]] Johnny didn't tell him he had a wife. Joker fans were... quite divided about this event...
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* In the ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' fanfic ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3460966/1/Difficult_to_Fight_Against_Anger Difficult To Fight Against Anger]]'', after raping [[spoiler:Tara]], Warren Mears taunts [[spoiler:Willow]] by telling [[spoiler:her]], "[[spoiler:You know, I don't think your girlfriend is all the way gay.]]" [[StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred This is completely intentional.]]
* [[http://www.reocities.com/Area51/5072/grstories/ENDGAME.TXT "Endgame"]] by Tara O'Shea, the first-known ''[[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfTheGalaxyRangers Galaxy Rangers]]'' fanfic on the web, used this [[spoiler: And it's ''really'' too bad Killbane survived the stab wounds. He does ''not'' survive Niko frying his mind, however.]]
* Gender-reversed a couple of times in ''The Shadow Chronicles'', first with a spider demon taunting Akane about what she'd done to Ranma [[spoiler: we never actually find out if she really did rape him physically, but she most certainly did mentally, as well as Other Things]] and [[OnAClearDayYouCanSeeForever later]] with a succubus taunting Sailor Moon about what she'd done to Tuxedo Mask [[spoiler: And it's rather obvious that that one's telling the truth, because both the reader and Sailor Moon actually see it happen.]]
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[[folder:{{Film}}]]
* In ''[[TheDevilsAdvocate The Devil's Advocate]]'': "Well, on a scale of 1 to 10 — 10 being the most depraved act of sexual theatre known to man, 1 being your average Friday night run-through at the Lomaxes' household—I'd say, not to be immodest, Mary Ann and I got it on at about...SEVEN!"
* In TheFilmOfTheBook of ''TheCrow'', Tin-Tin tells the title character, whose girlfriend was raped by him and his friends, that "I shagged her pink ass and she ''loooooved'' it!" He comes to regret these words.
* In ''{{Gladiator}}'', Commodus tells Maximus that his wife "moaned like a whore" while Commodus' men raped her. Interestingly, [[UnstoppableRage Unstoppable Rage]] didn't ensue. Doesn't mean Maximus didn't kill him when he got the chance, though. It did, however, mean that Commodus' guardians refused to give him a second sword during his fight with Maximus after he got disarmed.
* At the beginning of ''{{Daredevil}}'', a rapist tells Murdock his client enjoyed it.
** In this case, he actually has a real reason...he's arguing it was consensual.
* ''{{Highlander}}'' - Centuries after he rapes her, the Kurgan taunts Macleod that this is the reason his wife never told him about it.
* {{Kickboxer}} does this trope slightly less subtle. "Goooooooooood fuck."
* In ''RobRoy'' Cunningham rapes [=MacGregor's=] wife, who avoids telling her husband for fear that he will do something reckless to avenge her honor. Rob does eventually find out, and when he's captured by Cunningham they have the following conversation:
-->'''Robert Roy [=McGregor=]:''' You're a thief, a murderer and a violator of women.\\
'''Archibald Cunningham:''' Aah... I had hoped you'd come to me long since on that score.\\
'''Robert Roy [=McGregor=]:''' If I had known earlier you would have been dead sooner.\\
'''Archibald Cunningham:''' I will tell you something, to take with you. Your wife was far sweeter forced than many are willing. And truth put to it, I think not all of her objected...
* In ''Forced Vengeance'', GiantMook Karn tells Randall (ChuckNorris) that his girlfriend (found raped and murdered in the previous scene) was [[YouNoTakeCandle "Goooood fuck!"]]. Randall proceeds to teach Karn what [[DestinationDefenestration "defenestration" means]].
* In ''Film/{{Goldeneye}}'' Alec Trevelyan doesn't actually rape the damsel in distress (as far as we see) but does force a kiss on her and then gloat to JamesBond:
--->'''Trevelyan:''' Lovely girl. Tastes of strawberries.\\
'''Bond:''' I wouldn't know.\\
'''Trevelyn:''' I would.
* Also from Bond, in ''LicenseToKill'' the villain's henchmen explain, "We gave her a nice honeymoon," implying they did this to Felix Leiter's wife before killing her. Then they feed Felix to a shark.
* In ''{{Rocky}} 3'', top contender Clubber Lang is upset that Rocky won't give him the title shot he deserves. After interrupting a ceremony of Philadelphia dedicating to Rocky a public statue in his likeness, Clubber makes an appeal directly to Rocky, then to the crowd. When those fail, he decides to make things a little more personal.
--> '''Clubber:''' ''*to Adrian*'' Hey, woman! Hey, woman! Listen here. Since your old man ain't got no heart, maybe you'd like to see a ''real'' man. I bet you stay up late every night dreaming you had a real man, don't you? I'll tell you what: bring your pretty little self over to my apartment tonight, and I'll show you a real man.
--> '''Rocky:''' '''''[[ThisIsUnforgivable YOU WANT IT? YOU GOT IT!]]'''''
* In ''{{Braveheart}}'', King Edward attempts to invoke this trope by establishing the law of Prima Nocta, which grants English lords the sexual right to take any Scottish girl for himself on her wedding night. He figures with this in place, some of his lords will both be more eager to rule in Scotland, and more thoroughly keep the Scots under their thumb. We witness this happen at one wedding, and later while William Wallace is leading an attack on the English garrison, the husband of that woman confronts the lord who carried off his bride on their wedding day. When the lord sees the husband coming at him with UnstoppableRage and a drawn weapon, rather than bragging, he tries feebly protesting that he never hurt the girl and was just utilizing his legal right.
--> '''Lord Bottoms:''' I never did her any harm. It was my right!
--> '''Morrison:''' Your ''right?'' Well, I am here to claim the right of a husband! (Kills the lord and spits on his body)
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* In ''DeceptionPoint'' the villain's internal monologue states that he "Had no doubt it was the most pleasurable experience of her life." Although it was a case of seducing a naive-ish assistant (with some racist overtones) rather than actual rape.
* In ''The Jester'' by JamesPatterson, one of the antagonists pulls this on the hero, whose wife was kidnapped while he was participating in the crusades.
* In the ''Literature/{{Outlander}}'' series, evil DepravedBisexual Captain John Randall loves doing this to Jamie. He tries to make Jamie think that he raped his sister, as well as his wife. Despite the fact that it was later revealed that, in both cases, he was incapable of getting himself sufficiently hard to do that. Why would he do that? Because he's in love with Jamie, and in his messed up mind, he [[FoeYay loves seeing Jamie hate him]].
* In RoaldDahl's short story ''The Great Switcheroo'' the protagonist Vic entices his friend into a mutual BedTrick so they can sleep with each other's wives. They go to great lengths to make sure the wives don't find out, wearing each other's cologne, discussing their bedtime routine, technique and so on. Vic is dismissive of his friend's technique, but is crushed the next morning when his wife tells him that she had never really enjoyed sex until last night.
* In AdamCadre's ''Ready, Okay'', Carver Fringie claims this [[spoiler: about Peggy]].
* In ''ShardsOfHonor'', Ges Vorrutyer attempts this, but makes a serious misjudgement of which lieutenant to use.
* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', Euron Greyjoy raped Victarion's wife and claimed it was consensual, in order to force Victarion to kill her under Ironborn law.
--> '''Euron:''' She came to me wet and willing. It seems Victarion is big everywhere but where it matters.
* A minor villain in ''TheDestroyer'' believes that it is not only a man's right, but in fact his duty and obligation to have sex with women whenever he can, regardless of what they feel about it. He even boasts that he's "shown a few lesbians what they're missing out on".
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* An episode of ''Series/{{Brimstone}}'' did this. The hero had to send his wife's rapist back to Hell.
** This is also the main reason Zeke was in Hell in the first place. He tracked down his wife's rapist. The guy bragged about it. Zeke opened fire.
* Invoked a couple of times on ''Series/RobinHood'' between Guy, Marian and Robin. Guy never actually ''does'' manage to deflower Marian; but after their coersive engagement Guy tells Robin: "I'll laugh every time I..." (interrupted by Robin's punch) and then later says: "I'll [[HoYay think of you]] when I take her to the marriage bed."
* On ''{{Series/Heroes}}'', Sylar possesses Matt Parkman's body and sleeps with his wife. He later brags that she enjoyed Sylar's version more than she ever enjoyed Matt's.
* Done in an episode of ''ColdCase'', when a father tracked down and confronted the pedophile who had abducted his son, and again, when the younger brother of a rape victim confronted the rapist.
* On ''TheShield'', Vic seduces [[InspectorJavert Lt. Kavanaugh's]] ex-wife (for whom he still carries a major torch), just to get in Kavanaugh's head. Kavanaugh learns about it first from ''her''. Vic merely twists the knife when confronted.
--> '''Vic:''' [whispering in Kavanaugh's ear] Your ex-wife's pussy... tastes like sweet, sweet butter.
* In the ''CriminalMinds'' episode "Paradise," the Un Sub asks one of his victims if she's ever wondered what it's like to be with a real man right before he rapes her in front of her unconscious husband. Then he taunts them both about the husband's "weakness" for being unable to protect the wife
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* In the elf campaign of ''HeroesOfMightAndMagic IV'', the hero's rival steals his bride and uses sorcery to get her to be his willing wife, in every way. When confronted, he gloats that he will always be her first. Luckily, the hero uses a magical mirror to reverse the spell, although she still remembers all that's happened.
* In {{killer7}} not explicitly stated, but heavily implied by [[CompleteMonster Curtis Blackburn]] to his former partner Pedro Montana about his wife. [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes Subverted in that Pedro isn't really a good guy.]]
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[[folder:WebOriginal]]
* In Act 2 of ''DoctorHorriblesSingAlongBlog'', Captain Hammer brags to the titular character about how he is going to give Penny (Dr. Horrible's LoveInterest) "the night of her life." Though so far as we know, it's consensual.
--> '''Captain Hammer''': You've got a little crush, don't you, Doc. Well, that's gonna make this hard to hear. See, later, I'm gonna take little Penny back to my place. Show her the command center, [[{{Thememobile}} Hammercycle, maybe even the Hamjet]]. You think she likes me now? I'm gonna give Penny the night of her life, just because you want her. And I get what you want. See, Penny's giving it up, she's giving it up hard. Cause she's with Captain Hammer. And these...
-->[Hammer holds up his fists]
-->...are not the hammer.
-->[Hammer leaves, then returns]
-->[[DontExplainTheJoke The hammer is]] [[CrowningMomentOfFunny my penis]].
* In his review of ''FinalFantasyVIII'', [[TheSpoonyExperiment Spoony]] comments on Squall and Rinoa's "great romance", by reminding us, in graphic detail, [[LovableSexManiac even for him]], that Seifer "got there first".
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