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* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', as [[AnimationAgeGhetto they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon]]. Ironically, some fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime, and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], disliking Bluey's PeripheryDemographic for watching a 'toddler show' despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.

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* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'' has a small but fairly vocal minority hatedom of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', its popularity, as [[AnimationAgeGhetto they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon]]. Ironically, (Ironically, some of the hate comes from fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime, and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], disliking Bluey's PeripheryDemographic for watching a 'toddler show' despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.children's series.)
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* The newer ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' games, especially those made for the Nintendo Switch, have [[VocalMinority a very vocal and passionate hatedom mostly made up of longtime fans]], especially from those displeased by the concept of not [[GottaCatchEmAll being able to obtain every Pokémon in the game.]] Despite this, the games continue to be massive system sellers (with numbers that haven't been seen since ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''), draw in many new fans, and critical reception ranges from mixed to very positive. ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'' has particularly visceral hatred directed towards it, despite being the second best-selling games in the entire franchise and getting excellent reviews from professional critics, with IGN flat-out naming it the best game in the series.

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* The newer ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' games, especially those made for the Nintendo Switch, have [[VocalMinority a very vocal and passionate hatedom mostly made up of longtime fans]], especially from those displeased by the concept of not [[GottaCatchEmAll being able to obtain every Pokémon in the game.]] Despite this, the games continue to be massive system sellers (with numbers that haven't been seen since ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''), draw in many new fans, and critical reception ranges from mixed to very positive. ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'' has particularly visceral hatred directed towards it, despite being the second best-selling games in the entire franchise and getting excellent reviews from professional critics, with IGN flat-out naming it the best game in the series.series upon its release.
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* A popular question posed by radio stations on Facebook is "you're on a date. Your date says their favorite TV show/movie/artist and you immediately leave. What's the show/movie/artist?". A fair chunk of the answers are beloved and acclaimed pieces of media (for example, one such question had many answers of Music/BruceSpringsteen and others had many answers of ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'', there are also intense genre biases against [[SciFiGhetto science fiction]] and [[AnimationAgeGhetto ani]][[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles ma]][[AnimatedShockComedy tion]]). The commenters hardly ever give any reasons beyond "I hate it" and often get huffy whenever someone says that they enjoy X movie/TV show/artist. Clearly, there is a wide difference between something that is actually DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible and something that is inherently good, but is not to someone's taste or is part of that person's PublicMediumIgnorance.

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* A popular question posed by radio stations on Facebook is "you're on a date. Your date says their favorite TV show/movie/artist and you immediately leave. What's the show/movie/artist?". A fair chunk of the answers are beloved and acclaimed pieces of media (for example, one such question had many answers of Music/BruceSpringsteen and others had many answers of ''Series/{{Seinfeld}}'', there are also intense genre biases against [[SciFiGhetto science fiction]] and [[AnimationAgeGhetto ani]][[AllAnimeIsNaughtyTentacles ma]][[AnimatedShockComedy tion]]). The commenters hardly ever give any reasons beyond "I hate it" and often get huffy whenever someone says that they enjoy X movie/TV show/artist. Clearly, there is a wide difference between something that is actually DarthWiki/SoBadItsHorrible unwatchable and something that is inherently good, but is not to someone's taste or is part of that person's PublicMediumIgnorance.
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* {{Challenge Gamer}}s often clash with players who prefer easy games, and don't like the suggestion that a series renowned for its difficulty should have the option for an easy mode added. those who advocate for said easy-mode say that not everyone is physically capable of mastering those types of games and it's only optional, while the challenge gamers argue that adding an easy mode will downplay the achievement of overcoming a challenge and lessens the camaraderie of knowing the difficulties everyone went trough due to everyone being on the same level. When a ''PC Gamer'' journalist [[https://www.pcgamer.com/i-beat-sekiros-final-boss-with-cheats-and-i-feel-fine/ proudly admitted to cheating]] on the final boss of ''VideoGame/SekiroShadowsDieTwice'' because of the difficulty, a Twitter user gave this [[MemeticMutation memetic]] response that sums up the view:

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* {{Challenge Gamer}}s often clash with players who prefer easy games, and don't like the suggestion that a series renowned for its difficulty should have the option for an easy mode added. those who advocate for said easy-mode say that not everyone is physically capable of mastering those types of games and it's only optional, while the challenge gamers argue that adding an easy mode will downplay the achievement of overcoming a challenge and lessens the camaraderie of knowing the difficulties everyone went trough through due to everyone being on the same level. When a ''PC Gamer'' journalist [[https://www.pcgamer.com/i-beat-sekiros-final-boss-with-cheats-and-i-feel-fine/ proudly admitted to cheating]] on the final boss of ''VideoGame/SekiroShadowsDieTwice'' because of the difficulty, a Twitter user gave this [[MemeticMutation memetic]] response that sums up the view:
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* Any conspiracy theories will have ardent defenders, no matter if the facts there don't line up with reality or how the attempts at covering up the conspiracy would be much more complicated\expensive than necessary, basically "IRejectYourReality because my opinion says so" or with the catch-all statement that any facts/reasoning/common sense/proof to the contrary is "created as a coverup by the conspirators".

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* Any conspiracy theories will have ardent defenders, no matter if the facts there don't line up with reality or how the attempts at covering up the conspiracy would be much more complicated\expensive complicated/expensive than necessary, basically "IRejectYourReality because my opinion says so" or with the catch-all statement that any facts/reasoning/common sense/proof to the contrary is "created as a coverup by the conspirators".
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* Windows vs Linux (or any other operating system). Visit any tech support message board and view posts that describe the problem and their system specs. Inevitably someone will always say something along the lines of, "[system runs on Windows 10], that's your problem right there." There is just as much of a debate about which Windows version is better. Many users (Both 7 and 8) bash 10 for its telemetry which eats up RAM, also atop the forced updates that may have bricked their computers or nagged them like mad to auto-update.

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* Windows vs Linux (or any other operating system). Visit any tech support message board and view posts that describe the problem and their system specs. Inevitably someone will always say something along the lines of, "[system runs on Windows 10], that's your problem right there." There is just as much of a debate about which Windows version is better. Many users (Both 7 and 8) bash 10 for its telemetry which eats up RAM, also atop the forced updates that may have bricked their computers or nagged them like mad to auto-update.auto-update, as well as the fact that Windows 10 has built-in third-party advertising, though this can be disabled for the most part.
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* Even {{Message Board}}s that allow for comment scoring via votes often enter into a feedback loop of sorts, where the most popular common opinion gets enforced autonomously. People begin to realize if they go against the common opinion they will be downvoted into oblivion, and so either keep quiet about such things or leave. This creates the illusion that everyone unanimously agrees, and the few who don't are {{Trolls}} who should be heckled away, which in turn strengthens the popular common opinion and encourages more posts supporting it owing to the Skinner Box nature of posting high-scoring comments. The end result is a circlejerk of a community that genuinely believes they are unanimously right about such things, even when they are a minority at best: this has a nasty habit of shifting the entire tone of a website, ''particularly'' if spicy topics like current events or politics get involved, and one of the reasons many sites employ a BanOnPolitics.

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* Even {{Message Board}}s that allow for comment scoring via votes often enter into a feedback loop of sorts, where the most popular common opinion gets enforced autonomously. People begin to realize if they go against the common opinion they will be downvoted into oblivion, and so either keep quiet about such things or leave. This creates the illusion that everyone unanimously agrees, and the few who don't are {{Trolls}} {{Troll}}s who should be heckled away, which in turn strengthens the popular common opinion and encourages more posts supporting it owing to the Skinner Box nature of posting high-scoring comments. The end result is a circlejerk of a community that genuinely believes they are unanimously right about such things, even when they are a minority at best: this has a nasty habit of shifting the entire tone of a website, ''particularly'' if spicy topics like current events or politics get involved, and one of the reasons many sites employ a BanOnPolitics.
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See also SmallReferencePools (people stick to referencing certain works simply because those are the only ones they know... or think the audience will know). Someone who thinks this way about life in general is CaptainOblivious.

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See also SmallReferencePools (people stick to referencing certain works simply because those are the only ones they know... [[ViewersAreMorons or think the audience will know). know]]). Someone who thinks this way about life in general is CaptainOblivious.
CaptainOblivious. Someone who thinks this way about religion is likely to be TheFundamentalist (in which case ''watch out'').

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* The newer ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' games, especially those made for the Nintendo Switch, have [[VocalMinority a very vocal and passionate hatedom mostly made up of longtime fans]], especially from those displeased by the concept of not [[GottaCatchEmAll being able to obtain every Pokémon in the game.]] Despite this, the games continue to be massive system sellers (with numbers that haven't been seen since ''VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver''), draw in many new fans, and critical reception ranges from mixed to very positive. ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'' has particularly visceral hatred directed towards it, despite being the second best-selling games in the entire franchise and getting excellent reviews from professional critics, with IGN flat-out naming it the best game in the series.



* Older fans of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} widely believe that the channel has gone downhill. They also believe that Creator/DisneyChannel, Creator/CartoonNetwork, and even Creator/DiscoveryFamily are beating it. In reality, Nickelodeon easily defeats the latter two, and they have a small head up on the Disney Channel.

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* Older fans of Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} widely believe that the channel has gone downhill. They also believe that Creator/DisneyChannel, Creator/CartoonNetwork, and even Creator/DiscoveryFamily are beating it. In reality, Nickelodeon easily defeats the latter two, and they have a small head up on the Disney Channel. In addition, many of the series they point fingers at tend to receive mixed or even positive reviews from professional critics.
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* Reading certain film review sites would have you think that the ''Franchise/{{Trolls}}'' movies are the worst and least successful movies ever. But it is very popular with kids (y'know, the intended audience) and makes a lot of money (even ''WesternAnimation/TrollsWorldTour'', which wasn't released in theaters due to COVID, [[https://people.com/movies/trolls-world-tour-scores-biggest-digital-debut-for-a-film-of-all-time-says-universal/ had an extremely successful digital release]]) for Creator/DreamWorksAnimation. These factors are why it's a franchise to begin with.
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* The general feedback loop of 'Oh my God, grown men like ''WesternAnimation/{{My Little Pony|Friendship Is Magic}}'' now?!'/'Yeah, we like ''My Little Pony'' now, what are you gonna do about it?' has led many [[PeripheryDemographic bronies]] to forget that the show has just as many fans in its target demographic (that is, small children, especially of the female variety) as it does grown men and women (and small boys, although this is generally ignored), which occasionally causes friction when people who ''haven't'' forgotten this ask them to try and make their... [[RuleThirtyFour not quite]] [[DarkerAndEdgier work safe]] material a little less accessible for the young'uns. Which has apparently led to the "Brony Pledge", which is less a "pledge" and more of a "stern reminder from one of us to the rest of you". Which, admittedly, is in and of itself rather more decorum than one usually sees from fandoms that have an excess of RuleThirtyFour.

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* The general feedback loop of 'Oh my God, grown men like ''WesternAnimation/{{My Little Pony|Friendship Is Magic}}'' now?!'/'Yeah, we like ''My Little Pony'' now, what are you gonna do about it?' has led many [[PeripheryDemographic bronies]] to forget that the show has just as many fans in its target demographic (that is, small children, especially of the female variety) as it does grown men and women (and small boys, although this is generally ignored), which occasionally causes friction when people who ''haven't'' forgotten this ask them to try and make their... [[RuleThirtyFour not quite]] [[DarkerAndEdgier work safe]] material a little less accessible for the young'uns. Which has apparently led to the "Brony Pledge", which is less a "pledge" and more of a "stern reminder from one of us to the rest of you". Which, admittedly, is in and of itself rather more decorum than one usually sees from fandoms that have an excess of RuleThirtyFour.women.


* The ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' FNDM is infamous for having clashes amongst its members wherein one side refuses to accept or compromise on the other's opinion, and they can get extremely heated. From viewers who see the show as an absolute masterpiece that can do no wrong clashing with critics who disdain the show's flaws, to viewers whom are critical of or prejudiced against {{Fix Fic}}s clashing with said fics' supporters.
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* The ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' FNDM is infamous for having clashes amongst its members wherein one side refuses to accept or compromise on the other's opinion, and they can get extremely heated. From viewers who see the show as an absolute masterpiece that can do no wrong clashing with critics who disdain the show's flaws, to viewers whom are critical of or prejudiced against {{Fix Fic}}s clashing with said fics' supporters.
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* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', as [[AnimationAgeGhetto they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon]]. Ironically, some fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime, and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], calling Bluey's PeripheryDemographic "toddlertwt" despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.

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* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', as [[AnimationAgeGhetto they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon]]. Ironically, some fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime, and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], calling disliking Bluey's PeripheryDemographic "toddlertwt" for watching a 'toddler show' despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.
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* A trend (circa late 2010s) among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like ''Film/CaptainMarvel2019'' and ''Film/StarWarsTheLastJedi'' are popularly hated by certain audiences and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is ''insane'' as it would be ''incredibly'' financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences ''liked'' them enough to go see them in droves, but the VocalMinority refuse to believe that ''they'' are the minority. Crucially, the portions of the audience who either like or dislike the movies most intensely have the greatest investment in broadcasting their opinion (especially online) whereas the large mass of the moviegoing public will either: like the movie when they see it, move on to the next one, and maybe stream it or buy the DVD a few months later (both ''Captain Marvel'' and ''The Last Jedi'', it may be worth noting, sold very well on home release) without any fanfare; or dislike the movie without making a deal about not liking it and move onto the next one which they might like, because at the end of the day, it isn't worth becoming preoccupied with something you didn't like in the first place.

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* A trend (circa late 2010s) among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like ''Film/CaptainMarvel2019'' and ''Film/StarWarsTheLastJedi'' ''Film/TheLastJedi'' are popularly hated by certain audiences and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is ''insane'' as it would be ''incredibly'' financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences ''liked'' them enough to go see them in droves, but the VocalMinority refuse to believe that ''they'' are the minority. Crucially, the portions of the audience who either like or dislike the movies most intensely have the greatest investment in broadcasting their opinion (especially online) whereas the large mass of the moviegoing public will either: like the movie when they see it, move on to the next one, and maybe stream it or buy the DVD a few months later (both ''Captain Marvel'' and ''The Last Jedi'', it may be worth noting, sold very well on home release) without any fanfare; or dislike the movie without making a deal about not liking it and move onto the next one which they might like, because at the end of the day, it isn't worth becoming preoccupied with something you didn't like in the first place.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' fans of a certain age generally take it for granted that the show is no longer worth watching and hasn't been for a lot of years, with abstinence from "new Simpsons" episodes a badge of honor for some. Go ahead, just ''try'' to find a clip of "old" Simpsons on [=YouTube=] without a slew of comments waxing poetic about "how good Simpsons was back then, [[Film/StarWars before the dark times]]", and just try to find a clip of "new" Simpsons without the comments bemoaning "Simpsons is terrible now!" While the show isn't as broadly popular as it once was, a consistent supply of new, young viewers has kept the show's ratings respectable enough for it to be continually renewed year after year.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' fans of a certain age generally take it for granted that the show is no longer worth watching and hasn't been for a lot of years, with abstinence from "new Simpsons" episodes a badge of honor for some. Go ahead, just ''try'' to find a clip of "old" Simpsons on [=YouTube=] without a slew of comments waxing poetic about "how good Simpsons was back then, [[Film/StarWars [[Film/ANewHope before the dark times]]", and just try to find a clip of "new" Simpsons without the comments bemoaning "Simpsons is terrible now!" While the show isn't as broadly popular as it once was, a consistent supply of new, young viewers has kept the show's ratings respectable enough for it to be continually renewed year after year.
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A SuperTrope to FanHater (hating people directly for positive opinions you don't agree with), ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow (getting upset about negative opinions you don't agree with), HePannedItNowHeSucks (same but with reviews), FanMyopia (fans thinking that the subject of their fandom must be well known and generally liked). Sometimes results in either FanDumb or HateDumb, and can be related to NoTrueScotsman.

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A SuperTrope to FanHater (hating people directly for positive opinions you don't agree with), ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow (getting upset about negative opinions you don't agree with), HePannedItNowHeSucks (same but with reviews), reviews) and FanMyopia (fans thinking that the subject of their fandom must be well known and generally liked). Sometimes results in either FanDumb or HateDumb, and can be related to NoTrueScotsman.
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* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', as they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon. Ironically, some fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime, and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], calling Bluey's PeripheryDemographic "toddlertwt" despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.

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* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', as [[AnimationAgeGhetto they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon.cartoon]]. Ironically, some fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime, and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], calling Bluey's PeripheryDemographic "toddlertwt" despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.
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* Lurks in the depths of the perpetual SubbingVersusDubbing debate, where personal preference often boils down to whether one is watching primarily for the story or for the art. The sub side points to things like CulturalTranslation, {{Bowdleris|e}}ation, and FillingTheSilence while the dub side points to visual distractions and inability to multitask while watching. Not to mention the ongoing debate over which set of voice actors do the job better. This was much more prevalent back in the VHS days, when sub vs. dub decisions had to be made in the store. Some within the industry also note that even today, releases with dubs tend to sell better than non-dubbed releases, though it's also more expensive to make a dubbed release of a show that doesn't have a dub already, thus why sub-only releases of less popular shows still exist today.

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* Lurks in the depths of the perpetual SubbingVersusDubbing debate, where personal preference often boils down to whether one is watching primarily for the story or for the art. The sub side points to things like CulturalTranslation, {{Bowdleris|e}}ation, and FillingTheSilence while the dub side points to visual distractions and inability to multitask while watching. Not to mention the ongoing debate over which set of voice actors do does the job better. This was much more prevalent back in the VHS days, days when sub vs. dub decisions had to be made in the store. Some within the industry also note that even today, releases with dubs tend to sell better than non-dubbed releases, though it's also more expensive to make a dubbed release of a show that doesn't have a dub already, thus why sub-only releases of less popular shows still exist today.



* The concept of WolverinePublicity falls under this. Many of the characters fans often cite as worn out or overexposed (like [[Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} the Trope Namer]], Comicbook/{{Batman}}, Comicbook/IronMan, Comicbook/SpiderMan, ect.) tend to be the most popular and profitable ones, which comes down to there being a large and less vocal group of fans who ''do'' actually enjoy them, despite what the internet may lead you to believe.

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* The concept of WolverinePublicity falls under this. Many of the characters fans often cite as worn out or overexposed (like [[Comicbook/{{Wolverine}} the Trope Namer]], Comicbook/{{Batman}}, Comicbook/IronMan, Comicbook/SpiderMan, ect.etc.) tend to be the most popular and profitable ones, which comes down to there being a large and less vocal group of fans who ''do'' actually enjoy them, despite what the internet may lead you to believe.



* The film critic community as a whole has many people who fit this type. The basic logic principle that you can only "accept" or "reject" an opinion naturally does not sit well with the people whose self-described job description is that they speak their opinion and people on purpose want to listen to them. So it's not surprising when some easily switch into name calling and blame games when someone interacts with them to disagree about an opinion or not take their thoughts as anything important.

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* The film critic community as a whole has many people who fit this type. The basic logic principle that you can only "accept" or "reject" an opinion naturally does not sit well with the people whose self-described job description is that they speak their opinion and people on purpose want to listen to them. So it's not surprising when some easily switch into name calling to name-calling and blame games when someone interacts with them to disagree about an opinion or not take their thoughts as anything important.



* Similarly, there are many fans who can't fathom that someone could prefer a newer version of a character, the one they see as "desecrating" the character's image and legacy, either assuming they simply haven't experienced older versions, have been "brainwashed" to accept a new take or even outright hate what the original supposedly stood for or make insulting claims about their intelligence, morality and reasoning skills. The idea that a person could like and appreciate both for what they are but simply have a preference or not being as into their preferred version for valid reasons is one many fans simply can't comprehend.
* You either think Creator/{{Disney}} is an amazing company that can do no wrong, or an all-consuming monster the world would be better off without. Disney fans often can't imagine why anyone would dislike the company, and Disney haters often can't imagine why anyone would still watch their movies as adults.

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* Similarly, there are many fans who can't fathom that someone could prefer a newer version of a character, the one they see as "desecrating" the character's image and legacy, either assuming they simply haven't experienced older versions, have been "brainwashed" to accept a new take or even outright hate what the original supposedly stood for or make insulting claims about their intelligence, morality morality, and reasoning skills. The idea that a person could like and appreciate both for what they are but simply have a preference or not being as into their preferred version for valid reasons is one many fans simply can't comprehend.
* You either think Creator/{{Disney}} is an amazing company that can do no wrong, wrong or an all-consuming monster the world would be better off without. Disney fans often can't imagine why anyone would dislike the company, and Disney haters often can't imagine why anyone would still watch their movies as adults.



* A trend (circa late 2010s) among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like ''Film/CaptainMarvel2019'' and ''Film/StarWarsTheLastJedi'' are popularly hated by certain audiences, and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is ''insane'' as it would be ''incredibly'' financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences ''liked'' them enough to go see them in droves, but the VocalMinority refuse to believe that ''they'' are the minority. Crucially, the portions of the audience who either like or dislike the movies most intensely have the greatest investment in broadcasting their opinion (especially online) whereas the large mass of the moviegoing public will either: like the movie when they see it, move on to the next one, and maybe stream it or buy the DVD a few months later (both ''Captain Marvel'' and ''The Last Jedi'', it may be worth noting, sold very well on home release) without any fanfare; or dislike the movie without making a deal about not liking it and move onto the next one which they might like, because at the end of the day it isn't worth becoming preoccupied with something you didn't like in the first place.

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* A trend (circa late 2010s) among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like ''Film/CaptainMarvel2019'' and ''Film/StarWarsTheLastJedi'' are popularly hated by certain audiences, audiences and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is ''insane'' as it would be ''incredibly'' financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences ''liked'' them enough to go see them in droves, but the VocalMinority refuse to believe that ''they'' are the minority. Crucially, the portions of the audience who either like or dislike the movies most intensely have the greatest investment in broadcasting their opinion (especially online) whereas the large mass of the moviegoing public will either: like the movie when they see it, move on to the next one, and maybe stream it or buy the DVD a few months later (both ''Captain Marvel'' and ''The Last Jedi'', it may be worth noting, sold very well on home release) without any fanfare; or dislike the movie without making a deal about not liking it and move onto the next one which they might like, because at the end of the day day, it isn't worth becoming preoccupied with something you didn't like in the first place.



* People who enjoy ''Literature/HushHush'' see nothing wrong with the romance and Nora [[ICanChangeMyBeloved changing the]] [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys bad boy Patch]] is romantic. People who hate it see nothing but stalking, verbal and emotional abuse and manipulation on Patch's side towards Nora and her being [[IdiotBall too stupid to even attempt to run away]].
* Creator/RobertJordan and his epic fantasy series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' are among the highest-selling fantasy of all time. Naturally, this has created some backlash, with readers pointing out Jordan's odd tendency to spend a lot of time, ink and paper to ultimately say very little, bloating his series from its initially intended trilogy to ''fourteen volumes'', and that's not including the prequel novel. There are those who will say "I know it's flawed, but I still love it", but most fantasy readers fall into two categories:

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* People who enjoy ''Literature/HushHush'' see nothing wrong with the romance and Nora [[ICanChangeMyBeloved changing the]] [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys bad boy Patch]] is romantic. People who hate it see nothing but stalking, verbal and emotional abuse abuse, and manipulation on Patch's side towards Nora and her being [[IdiotBall too stupid to even attempt to run away]].
* Creator/RobertJordan and his epic fantasy series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'' are among the highest-selling fantasy of all time. Naturally, this has created some backlash, with readers pointing out Jordan's odd tendency to spend a lot of time, ink ink, and paper to ultimately say very little, bloating his series from its initially intended trilogy to ''fourteen volumes'', and that's not including the prequel novel. There are those who will say "I know it's flawed, but I still love it", but most fantasy readers fall into two categories:



* Creator/JaneAusten's novel ''Literature/{{Emma}}'' has an InUniverse example with Mr. Woodhouse, Emma's father. The narrative explicitly notes that he is incapable of believing that other people have opinions which differ from his own, and so he assumes that whatever he thinks about something (particularly food and activities) is exactly what other people will, or ''should'', think about that same thing. Emma has to delicately circumvent him in order to, for example, provide guests with food they actually want to eat.

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* Creator/JaneAusten's novel ''Literature/{{Emma}}'' has an InUniverse example with Mr. Woodhouse, Emma's father. The narrative explicitly notes that he is incapable of believing that other people have opinions which that differ from his own, and so he assumes that whatever he thinks about something (particularly food and activities) is exactly what other people will, or ''should'', think about that same thing. Emma has to delicately circumvent him in order to, for example, provide guests with food they actually want to eat.



*** Conveniently forgotten by said fans was the real enthusiasm for Moffat from fans who absolutely hated everything Russell T. Davies had done to series (save bringing the show back after nearly two decades). In particular he was criticized for focusing too much on the companions (making it into a soap opera) and ludicrous series finales (destroying ever increasing amounts of reality then hitting the reset button).

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*** Conveniently forgotten by said fans was the real enthusiasm for Moffat from fans who absolutely hated everything Russell T. Davies had done to the series (save bringing the show back after nearly two decades). In particular he was criticized for focusing too much on the companions (making it into a soap opera) and ludicrous series finales (destroying ever increasing ever-increasing amounts of reality then hitting the reset button).



** A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Gene Roddenberry]] died, because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film and the first season of TNG. For that matter, if it's his seal of approval they're concerned about, then none of the films beyond ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' are canon, as Roddenberry didn't like the direction Harve Bennett took with them, particularly the [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier fifth]] and [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]] films. This led to the widespread belief that Roddenberry had declared ''Star Trek V'' and ''VI'' to be non-canon, which he never did.

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** A smaller, but incredibly vocal minority, swear off anything produced after [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight Gene Roddenberry]] died, Roddenberry]]'s death in 1991 because nothing can be canon if Roddenberry wasn't around to put his seal of approval on it. These people apparently do not realize that Roddenberry only had direct creative input for the first two seasons of the classic series, the first theatrical film film, and the first season of TNG.''TNG''. For that matter, if it's his seal of approval they're concerned about, then none of the films beyond ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' are canon, as Roddenberry didn't like the direction Harve Bennett took with them, particularly the [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier fifth]] and [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]] films. This led to the widespread belief that Roddenberry had declared ''Star Trek V'' and ''VI'' to be non-canon, which he never did.



* On the flipside, there are a number of tight-knit [[CultClassic cult followings]] who believe the obscure work they like ''should'' be more mainstream, and won't accept most explanations for why it isn't. And that's if they're even ''aware'' that the work is obscure in the first place.
* Windows vs Linux (or any other operating system). Visit any tech support message board and view posts that describe the problem and their system specs. Inevitably someone will always say something along the lines of, "[system runs on Windows 10], that's your problem right there." There is just as much of a debate of which Windows version is better. Many users (Both 7 and 8) bash 10 for its telemetry which eats up RAM, also atop the forced updates that may have bricked their computers or nagged them like mad to auto-update.

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* On the flipside, flip side, there are a number of tight-knit [[CultClassic cult followings]] who believe the obscure work they like ''should'' be more mainstream, and won't accept most explanations for why it isn't. And that's if they're even ''aware'' that the work is obscure in the first place.
* Windows vs Linux (or any other operating system). Visit any tech support message board and view posts that describe the problem and their system specs. Inevitably someone will always say something along the lines of, "[system runs on Windows 10], that's your problem right there." There is just as much of a debate of about which Windows version is better. Many users (Both 7 and 8) bash 10 for its telemetry which eats up RAM, also atop the forced updates that may have bricked their computers or nagged them like mad to auto-update.



* It's common among car enthusiasts to highly criticize cars that have bad or uninteresting handling, with the Top Gear magazine being egregious in it through giving otherwise-OK cars bad reviews if they aren't rewarding enough to drive (e.g. 4/10 points for the Toyota Yaris). However, this group often forgets that a vast majority of car buyers don't care about it; they simply want cars that will get reliably get them from A to B, while offering the right amount of equipment, style and safety.

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* It's common among car enthusiasts to highly criticize cars that have bad or uninteresting handling, with the Top Gear magazine being egregious in it through giving otherwise-OK cars bad reviews if they aren't rewarding enough to drive (e.g. 4/10 points for the Toyota Yaris). However, this group often forgets that a vast majority of car buyers don't care about it; they simply want cars that will get reliably get them from A to B, while offering the right amount of equipment, style style, and safety.



* Within pinball communities themselves, there are some hardline [[Creator/MidwayGames Bally-Williams]] fans who think that the only reason Creator/{{Stern}} is still in business is because they can talk big to clueless operators and because they can secure attractive modern licenses like ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. Nevermind that there are plenty of pinball fans who genuinely like what Stern makes, and that Creator/DataEast did exactly what the Stern-haters described (very good licenses, but shoddy build quality and rushed programming) only to go out of business after several years.

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* Within pinball communities themselves, there are some hardline [[Creator/MidwayGames Bally-Williams]] fans who think that the only reason Creator/{{Stern}} is still in business is because that they can talk big to clueless operators and because they can secure attractive modern licenses like ''Series/GameOfThrones'' and ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. Nevermind Never mind that there are plenty of pinball fans who genuinely like what Stern makes, and that Creator/DataEast did exactly what the Stern-haters described (very good licenses, but shoddy build quality and rushed programming) only to go out of business after several years.



* The UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars. The three groups of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft (and back in the day, SEGA) often collide with each other, and arguments spawn from literally everywhere, ranging from Website/{{GameFAQs}}, Website/YouTube, and even Amazon. Although it's usually "*insert console here* sucks", there are times where those on the offensive will go even further and begin insulting those who ''like'' the console they hate. Expect to hear the word "fanboy" a lot in these fights. A similar issue occurs between console gamers and PC gamers, although there is often overlap between them. Mobile gaming also gives and gets flack from the other parties as well.

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* The UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars. The three groups of Nintendo, Sony Sony, and Microsoft (and back in the day, SEGA) often collide with each other, and arguments spawn from literally everywhere, ranging from Website/{{GameFAQs}}, Website/YouTube, and even Amazon. Although it's usually "*insert console here* sucks", there are times where those on the offensive will go even further and begin insulting those who ''like'' the console they hate. Expect to hear the word "fanboy" a lot in these fights. A similar issue occurs between console gamers and PC gamers, although there is often overlap between them. Mobile gaming also gives and gets flack from the other parties as well.



** A very notable example are the reviews of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'', which gushed about recreating a living, breathing world, while minimizing the gameplay and technical issues, which were noted strongly in user reviews.

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** A very notable example are the reviews of ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV'', which gushed about recreating a living, breathing world, world while minimizing the gameplay and technical issues, which were noted strongly in user reviews.



* Website/IMDb forums are similar -- people often seem unable to comprehend another opinion. Many users assume those who dislike films they themselves like are automatically trolls, and those who like films they themselves dislike are automatically involved with the movie. These people will very often seem incapable of talking about the movie without stating their dislike. Occasionally, you'll come across someone who disagrees with the majority, but actually asks why [movie] is loved/hated.

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* Website/IMDb forums are similar -- people often seem unable to comprehend another opinion. Many users assume those who dislike films they themselves like are automatically trolls, and those who like films they themselves dislike are automatically involved with the movie. These people will very often seem incapable of talking about the movie without stating their dislike. Occasionally, you'll come across someone who disagrees with the majority, majority but actually asks why [movie] is loved/hated.



* Website/TheOutskirtsBattleDome is pretty much considered this by plenty of people. Especially the wiki. The idea of a OBD HiveMind is actually a in-joke to members.

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* Website/TheOutskirtsBattleDome is pretty much considered this by plenty of people. Especially the wiki. The idea of a an OBD HiveMind is actually a an in-joke to members.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' fans of a certain age generally take it for granted that the show is no longer worth watching and hasn't been for a lot of years, with abstinence from "new Simpsons" episodes a badge of honor for some. Go ahead, just ''try'' to find a clip of "old" Simpsons on [=YouTube=] without a slew of comments waxing poetic about "how good Simpsons was back then, [[Film/StarWars before the dark times]]", and just try to find a clip of "new" Simpsons without the comments bemoaning "Simpsons is terrible now!" While the show isn't as broadly popular as it once was, a consistent supply of new, young viewers have kept the show's ratings respectable enough for it to be continually renewed year after year.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' fans of a certain age generally take it for granted that the show is no longer worth watching and hasn't been for a lot of years, with abstinence from "new Simpsons" episodes a badge of honor for some. Go ahead, just ''try'' to find a clip of "old" Simpsons on [=YouTube=] without a slew of comments waxing poetic about "how good Simpsons was back then, [[Film/StarWars before the dark times]]", and just try to find a clip of "new" Simpsons without the comments bemoaning "Simpsons is terrible now!" While the show isn't as broadly popular as it once was, a consistent supply of new, young viewers have has kept the show's ratings respectable enough for it to be continually renewed year after year.



* Similarly to the above, ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' has a ''very'' vocal audience of detractors, consisting mostly of [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks outraged fans of the original series]], that makes up a sizable chunk of its online presence. As a result, it is very easy to find claims of it being one of the worst things on television on the internet. Despite this, it is is actually one of the highest-rated programs on Creator/CartoonNetwork and receives consistently mixed reviews from professional critics; a far cry from what the naysayers perceive it to be. This dissonance reached its apex when the series' BigDamnMovie was released, where the same detractors predicted that it would be a travesty worthy of being called the worst movie of all time only for it to be released to both positive critical reception and box office success.

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* Similarly to the above, ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' has a ''very'' vocal audience of detractors, consisting mostly of [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks outraged fans of the original series]], that makes up a sizable chunk of its online presence. As a result, it is very easy to find claims of it being one of the worst things on television on the internet. Despite this, it is is actually one of the highest-rated programs on Creator/CartoonNetwork and receives consistently mixed reviews from professional critics; a far cry from what the naysayers perceive it to be. This dissonance reached its apex when the series' BigDamnMovie was released, where the same detractors predicted that it would be a travesty worthy of being called the worst movie of all time only for it to be released to both positive critical reception and box office success.



* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', as they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon. Ironically, some fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], calling Bluey's PeripheryDemographic "toddlertwt" despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.

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* Similar to the backlash against the popularity of ''My Little Pony'', there are a vocal minority of people who get very angry at the popularity of ''WesternAnimation/{{Bluey}}'', as they can't imagine the idea of anyone over the age of six watching a children's cartoon. Ironically, some fans of ''My Little Pony'', ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'', anime anime, and other "cringe" fandoms [[BoomerangBigot tend to promote this mindset]], calling Bluey's PeripheryDemographic "toddlertwt" despite the fact that shows such as ''My Little Pony'' are also geared towards small children.
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* A recent trend (circa late 2010s) among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like ''Film/CaptainMarvel2019'' and ''Film/StarWarsTheLastJedi'' are popularly hated by certain audiences, and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is ''insane'' as it would be ''incredibly'' financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences ''liked'' them enough to go see them in droves, but the VocalMinority refuse to believe that ''they'' are the minority. Crucially, the portions of the audience who either like or dislike the movies most intensely have the greatest investment in broadcasting their opinion (especially online) whereas the large mass of the moviegoing public will either: like the movie when they see it, move on to the next one, and maybe stream it or buy the DVD a few months later (both ''Captain Marvel'' and ''The Last Jedi'', it may be worth noting, sold very well on home release) without any fanfare; or dislike the movie without making a deal about not liking it and move onto the next one which they might like, because at the end of the day it isn't worth becoming preoccupied with something you didn't like in the first place.

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* A recent trend (circa late 2010s) among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like ''Film/CaptainMarvel2019'' and ''Film/StarWarsTheLastJedi'' are popularly hated by certain audiences, and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is ''insane'' as it would be ''incredibly'' financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences ''liked'' them enough to go see them in droves, but the VocalMinority refuse to believe that ''they'' are the minority. Crucially, the portions of the audience who either like or dislike the movies most intensely have the greatest investment in broadcasting their opinion (especially online) whereas the large mass of the moviegoing public will either: like the movie when they see it, move on to the next one, and maybe stream it or buy the DVD a few months later (both ''Captain Marvel'' and ''The Last Jedi'', it may be worth noting, sold very well on home release) without any fanfare; or dislike the movie without making a deal about not liking it and move onto the next one which they might like, because at the end of the day it isn't worth becoming preoccupied with something you didn't like in the first place.
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* Any UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories will have ardent defenders, no matter if the facts there don't line up with reality or how the attempts at covering up the conspiracy would be much more complicated\expensive than necessary, basically "IRejectYourReality because my opinion says so" or with the catch-all statement that any facts/reasoning/common sense/proof to the contrary is "created as a coverup by the conspirators".

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* Any UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories conspiracy theories will have ardent defenders, no matter if the facts there don't line up with reality or how the attempts at covering up the conspiracy would be much more complicated\expensive than necessary, basically "IRejectYourReality because my opinion says so" or with the catch-all statement that any facts/reasoning/common sense/proof to the contrary is "created as a coverup by the conspirators".

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