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* Inverted with ''Manga/{{Lady}}''. It's generally agreed that Creator/YokoHanabusa's manga is [[ClicheStorm subpar]] compared to the anime. Hanabusa seems to be aware of this, which is why ''Lady''[='s=] sequel manga carries over [[AdaptationDeviation elements]] from the anime.

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* Inverted with ''Manga/{{Lady}}''. It's generally agreed that Creator/YokoHanabusa's manga is [[ClicheStorm subpar]] manga]] is subpar compared to the anime. Hanabusa seems to be aware of this, which is why ''Lady''[='s=] sequel ''Lady!!''[='s=] newer manga carries carry over [[AdaptationDeviation elements]] the changes]] from the anime.
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*Inverted with ''Manga/{{Lady}}''. It's generally agreed that Creator/YokoHanabusa's manga is [[ClicheStorm subpar]] compared to the anime. Hanabusa seems to be aware of this, which is why ''Lady''[='s=] sequel manga carries over [[AdaptationDeviation elements]] from the anime.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016'' is this for many fans of [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls1998 the original series]], since the original creator Creator/CraigMcCracken had no involvement with it. In a related vein, the original series was also guilty of this, as [=McCracken=] left the show after the fourth season to focus on ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'', and the episodes in Seasons 5 and 6 declined in fan reception.

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In a related vein, the original series was also guilty of this, as [=McCracken=] left the show after the fourth season to focus on ''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends'', and the episodes in Seasons 5 and 6 declined in fan reception.
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* ''Series/Knuckles'': The first episode is considered by many to be the best episode of the series, and it was the only episode directed by the director of the previous two Sonic films, Jeff Fowler. The other episodes have received a mixed reception at best.

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* ''Series/Knuckles'': ''Series/{{Knuckles}}'': The first episode is considered by many to be the best episode of the series, and it was the only episode directed by the director of the previous two Sonic films, Jeff Fowler. The other episodes have received a mixed reception at best.
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* ''Series/Knuckles'': The first episode is considered by many to be the best episode of the series, and it was the only episode directed by the director of the previous two Sonic films, Jeff Fowler. The other episodes have received a mixed reception at best.
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* ''ComicBook/DisneyMouseAndDuckComics'': Some fans - especially in America - only consider the [[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse classic Duck-comics]] by Creator/CarlBarks as true Duck comics. Creator/DonRosa is often seen as an exception - but noticable, he himself only considers Barks' stories as canon for his own series. In a similar way, the [[ComicBook/MickeyMouseComicUniverse Mickey Mouse-comics]] by Creator/FloydGottfredson are regarded as the only good ones - Mouse stories never became as popular as Duck comics ever again after Gottfredson's strips ended.

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* ''ComicBook/DisneyMouseAndDuckComics'': Some fans - especially in America - only consider the [[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse classic Duck-comics]] by Creator/CarlBarks as true Duck comics. Creator/DonRosa is often seen as an exception - but noticable, noticeably, he himself only considers Barks' stories as canon for his own series. In a similar way, the [[ComicBook/MickeyMouseComicUniverse Mickey Mouse-comics]] by Creator/FloydGottfredson are regarded as the only good ones - Mouse stories never became as popular as Duck comics ever again after Gottfredson's strips ended.



* The very comic that started the Marvel Age is considered this. The ComicBook/FantasticFour under creators Stan Lee and Jack Kirby was such a huge success that it defined an entire new way of imagining superheroes and introduced tons of classic characters essential to the Marvel Universe. Unfortunately, when the creators left the book in the early 1970s, Marvel struggled to recapture the magic. Unlike other Marvel teams like the Avengers and the X-Men, that had several acclaimed runs over the years (resulting in Chris Claremont being widely considered the X-Men's [[MyRealDaddy real daddy]]), the Fantastic Four will always remain Stan and Jack's baby. The creator that came the closest to avert this was John Byrne with his very beloved run in the 1980s that became itself a classic. So, only the creators and this one other guy do it right?

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* ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'': The very comic that started the Marvel Age is considered this. The ComicBook/FantasticFour book under creators Stan Lee and Jack Kirby was such a huge success that it defined an entire new way of imagining superheroes and introduced tons of classic characters essential to the Marvel Universe. Unfortunately, when the creators left the book in the early 1970s, Marvel struggled to recapture the magic. Unlike other Marvel teams like the Avengers and the X-Men, that had several acclaimed runs over the years (resulting in Chris Claremont being widely considered the X-Men's [[MyRealDaddy real daddy]]), years, the Fantastic Four will always remain Stan and Jack's baby. The creator that came the closest to avert this was John Byrne with his very beloved run in the 1980s that became itself a classic. So, only the creators and this one other guy do it right? classic.



* [[ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool Gwenpool]] tends to be this when she's written by anyone besides Christopher Hastings, often forgoing the CharacterDevelopment she rapidly underwent in her own series to instead be an self-righteous, stupid, and narcissistic caricature of a stereotypical 2010s "millennial" teenager. It doesn't help that Marvel itself [[WolverinePublicity tended to shill her as such with cameos in other comics and video games]], which completely goes against and misses the point of her character. Thankfully, most fans agree that her characterisation in ''ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers2018'', the series she migrated to after her solo run ended, is more in line with Hastings's vision. Her second solo title, ''Gwenpool Strikes Again'', is another point of contention, some approving Leah Williams for still making Gwen an endearing TalkativeLoon ([[ApprovalOfGod Hastings himself liked it]]), while others deemed she went for a too meme-y Deadpool approach, regardless of the MetaTwist that explains her behavior.

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* [[ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool Gwenpool]] ''ComicBook/TheUnbelievableGwenpool'' tends to be this when she's written by anyone besides Christopher Hastings, often forgoing the CharacterDevelopment she rapidly underwent in her own series to instead be an self-righteous, stupid, and narcissistic caricature of a stereotypical 2010s "millennial" teenager. It doesn't help that Marvel itself [[WolverinePublicity tended to shill her as such with cameos in other comics and video games]], which completely goes against and misses the point of her character. Thankfully, most fans agree that her characterisation in ''ComicBook/WestCoastAvengers2018'', the series she migrated to after her solo run ended, is more in line with Hastings's vision. Her second solo title, ''Gwenpool Strikes Again'', is another point of contention, some approving Leah Williams for still making Gwen an endearing TalkativeLoon ([[ApprovalOfGod Hastings himself liked it]]), while others deemed she went for a too meme-y Deadpool approach, regardless of the MetaTwist that explains her behavior.



* Most Creator/JackKirby fans agree that nobody else has ever had a really good grasp of the ''ComicBook/NewGods'' characters and their universe but Jack himself. The series left a lot of unanswered questions, so inevitably every new writer ends up filling in the blanks with their own ideas, which usually feel at least a little "off." The most well-regarded version of the characters after Kirby are not the comics so much as the Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse animated series by Creator/BruceTimm.

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* ''ComicBook/NewGods'': Most Creator/JackKirby fans agree that nobody else has ever had a really good grasp of the ''ComicBook/NewGods'' characters and their universe but Jack himself. The series left a lot of unanswered questions, so inevitably every new writer ends up filling in the blanks with their own ideas, which usually feel at least a little "off." The most well-regarded version of the characters after Kirby are not the comics so much as the Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse animated series by Creator/BruceTimm.



* The Speed Force and Mark Waid. As originally devised, it was the source of the various DC speedsters' powers and a kind of power limiter that restricted the characters from running at the speed of light, lest they become lost to it. It was also where speedsters go when they die, and everyone inside it eventually loses their individuality as they become fuel for the next generation of speedsters. This was a threat that was made clear, even though Wally West managed to return from it. Other writers tend to use the Speed Force as a DeusExMachina, letting it do whatever the plot needs it to and using it to pull endless retcons, to the point that it's reached ''memetic'' status.
* There are some, namely Creator/AlanMoore, who argue that ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' declined greatly after Creator/SteveDitko's departure and that the art style and quality was greatly softened by later writers. While there are quite a lot of prominent Spider-Man elements and stories that succeeded Ditko's run, in terms of consistency and artistic quality, it remains the GloryDays of the comic.

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* ''ComicBook/TheFlash'': The Speed Force and Mark Waid. As originally devised, it was the source of the various DC speedsters' powers and a kind of power limiter that restricted the characters from running at the speed of light, lest they become lost to it. It was also where speedsters go when they die, and everyone inside it eventually loses their individuality as they become fuel for the next generation of speedsters. This was a threat that was made clear, even though Wally West managed to return from it. Other writers tend to use the Speed Force as a DeusExMachina, letting it do whatever the plot needs it to and using it to pull endless retcons, to the point that it's reached ''memetic'' status.
* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'': There are some, namely Creator/AlanMoore, some who argue that ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'' the series declined greatly after Creator/SteveDitko's departure and that the art style and quality was greatly softened by later writers. While there are quite a lot of prominent Spider-Man elements and stories that succeeded Ditko's run, in terms of consistency and artistic quality, it remains the GloryDays of the comic.



* This trope was invoked on the 90s-era ''ComicBook/{{Superboy}}'' books. After sales dropped substantially during the run of Ron Marz and Ramon Bernado, the character's original creators (Karl Kesel and Tom Grummett) returned to the title in an attempt to recapture the magic the book once had. However, the new stories featured a radically different direction and despite the original team, never truly recovered.

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* This trope was invoked on the 90s-era ''ComicBook/{{Superboy}}'' books. ''ComicBook/Superboy1994'': After sales dropped substantially during the run of Ron Marz and Ramon Bernado, the character's original creators (Karl Kesel and Tom Grummett) returned to the title in an attempt to recapture the magic the book once had. However, the new stories featured a radically different direction and despite the original team, never truly recovered.



* Creator/RobertJordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunners volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[DiedDuringProduction passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet [=McDougal=] did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness, languid pace and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...

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* ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'': Creator/RobertJordan famously kept churning out [[LongRunners volume after volume]] of his hit mega-series ''Literature/TheWheelOfTime'', volume, rarely moving the plot even close to a resolution, and then finally [[DiedDuringProduction passed away]] before finishing. There was some debate over whether another author would step in and finish, but eventually Jordan's widow Harriet [=McDougal=] did choose Creator/BrandonSanderson to write the last book in the series, which turned into the last three books. Some of the more devoted fans of the series will tell you in no uncertain terms that the final three books show a measurable drop in quality, with Sanderson butchering many of the characters and story arcs he obviously didn't understand. Other fans who were irritated with Jordan's rather extreme wordiness, languid pace and seeming unwillingness to resolve any of the plot threads [[MyRealDaddy felt rather differently about Sanderson]]...Sanderson.
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* ''Anime/{{FLCL}}'' fans have taken this mindset, viewing [[Anime/FLCLProgressiveAndAlternative sequel]] [[Anime/FLCLGrungeAndShoegaze series]] as steps down in quality as a result of original director Creator/KazuyaTsurumaki having no involvement in them. The sentiment only intensified in late 2019 when Creator/HideakiAnno (a close friend and collaborator of Tsurumaki) revealed that he attempted to acquire the rights to ''FLCL'' from Creator/StudioGainax so Tsurumaki could develop new installments at Creator/StudioKhara, only for Gainax to increase the price behind his back and ultimately sell them to co-producers Creator/ProductionIG.
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* This was once a commonly held consensus by fans of ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'', who for a long time believed that Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} had been in the wrong when they fired Creator/JohnKricfalusi, and that the seasons produced following his firing were overall inferior to the seasons he had worked on at best, and absolutely horrible and a blatant insult to Kricfalusi's own creation at worst. Over the years, however, attitudes towards the post-Kricfalusi episodes of ''Ren & Stimpy'' have improved, and are now usually seen as being generally good cartoons in their own right. But what really led this trope to be overturned was in 2018 when Kricfalusi was accused of sexually abusing minors, as well as having [[BadBoss unreasonably high demands of his animators]], thus destroying what was left of his career. Nowadays, the common consensus among fans is that, while the post-Kricfalusi episodes of ''Ren & Stimpy'' may be inferior to the seasons that he was involved in, Kricfalusi himself deserved to be fired from the show.

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* This was once a commonly held consensus by fans of ''WesternAnimation/TheRenAndStimpyShow'', who for a long time believed that Creator/{{Nickelodeon}} had been in the wrong when they fired Creator/JohnKricfalusi, and that the seasons produced following his firing were overall inferior to the seasons he had worked on at best, and [[Horrible/WesternAnimation absolutely horrible and a blatant insult to Kricfalusi's own creation at worst.worst]]. Over the years, however, attitudes towards the post-Kricfalusi episodes of ''Ren & Stimpy'' have improved, and are now usually seen as being generally good cartoons in their own right. But what really led this trope to be overturned was in 2018 when Kricfalusi was accused of sexually abusing minors, as well as having [[BadBoss unreasonably high demands of his animators]], thus destroying what was left of his career. Nowadays, the common consensus among fans is that, while the post-Kricfalusi episodes of ''Ren & Stimpy'' may not be inferior to as iconic as the seasons that he was involved in, Kricfalusi himself deserved to be fired from the show.

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* The very comic that started the Marvel Age is considered this. The ComicBook/FantasticFour under creators Stan Lee and Jack Kirby was such a huge success that it defined an entire new way of imagining superheroes and introduced tons of classic characters essential to the Marvel Universe. Unfortunately, when the creators left the book in the early 1970s, Marvel struggled to ever recapture the magic. Unlike other Marvel teams like the Avengers and the X-Men, that had several acclaimed runs over the years (resulting in Chris Claremont being widely considered the X-Men's [[MyRealDaddy real daddy]]), the Fantastic Four will always remain Stan and Jack's baby. The creator that came the closest to avert this was John Byrne with his very beloved run in the 1980s that became itself a classic. So, only the creators and this one other guy do it right?

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* The very comic that started the Marvel Age is considered this. The ComicBook/FantasticFour under creators Stan Lee and Jack Kirby was such a huge success that it defined an entire new way of imagining superheroes and introduced tons of classic characters essential to the Marvel Universe. Unfortunately, when the creators left the book in the early 1970s, Marvel struggled to ever recapture the magic. Unlike other Marvel teams like the Avengers and the X-Men, that had several acclaimed runs over the years (resulting in Chris Claremont being widely considered the X-Men's [[MyRealDaddy real daddy]]), the Fantastic Four will always remain Stan and Jack's baby. The creator that came the closest to avert this was John Byrne with his very beloved run in the 1980s that became itself a classic. So, only the creators and this one other guy do it right?


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* ''Literature/TheBerenstainBears''' shift towards Christian themes starting in 2008 has been seen as a black mark on their reputation by fans, and most of it is attributed to Stan and Jan's son, Mike Berenstain. While Jan was an Episcopal Christian, Stan was Jewish, and they met halfway during the writing process to make the books appeal to most demographics. On the other hand, Mike became a devout Christian following his marriage, and health complications and their untimely passing caused Stan and Jan to not have as much influence over the stories anymore, with fans believing them to be the backbone behind the book's broad demographic range.

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* The silent ''[[WesternAnimation/FelixTheCatOttoMessmer Felix the Cat]]'' shorts directed by Otto Messmer are near-unanimously considered the best ones. Most future incarnations of the franchise (with the exception of the CultClassic ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'') are of contested quality at best, and outright panned at worst.


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* The silent ''[[WesternAnimation/FelixTheCatOttoMessmer Felix the Cat]]'' shorts directed by Otto Messmer are near-unanimously considered the best ones. Most future incarnations of the franchise (with the exception of the CultClassic ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'') are of contested quality at best, and outright panned at worst.
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* The silent ''[[WesternAnimation/FelixTheCatOttoMessmer Felix the Cat]]'' shorts directed by Otto Messmer are near-unanimously considered the best ones. Most future incarnations of the franchise (with the exception of the CultClassic ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'') are of contested quality at best, and outright panned at worst.
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* ''Series/NightCourt'' is regarded is having gone downhill when Reinhold Weege left after Season 6.

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* Many ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' fans have this opinion regarding Pendleton Ward and, to a lesser degree, [[WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse Rebecca Sugar]]. After Ward stepped down as showrunner during the fifth season, with Sugar leaving the production entirely to helm ''Steven Universe'', the show shifted into [[GoingCosmic a more introspective tone]] under new showrunner Adam Muto, which many felt was [[ContemplateOurNavels pretentious and distracting from the actual plot]]. A lot of fans who felt this way argue that only Ward and Sugar really knew how to [[CerebusRollercoaster balance the crazy adventures and humor evenly with the darker elements]]. Thus, in their opinions, the rest of the crew was [[ProtectionFromEditors allowed to get self-indulgent due to no longer having someone to restrain them]].

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* Many ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' fans have this opinion regarding Pendleton Ward and, to a lesser degree, [[WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse Rebecca Sugar]]. Sugar. After Ward stepped down as showrunner during the fifth season, with Sugar leaving the production entirely to helm ''Steven Universe'', ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', the show shifted into [[GoingCosmic a more introspective tone]] under new showrunner Adam Muto, which many felt was [[ContemplateOurNavels pretentious and distracting from the actual plot]]. A lot of fans who felt this way argue that only Ward and Sugar really knew how to [[CerebusRollercoaster balance the crazy adventures and humor evenly with the darker elements]]. Thus, in their opinions, the rest of the crew was [[ProtectionFromEditors allowed to get self-indulgent due to no longer having someone to restrain them]].

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