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** Even relatively modern instruments are affected by this. Look at electric guitars for instance; the Gibson Les Paul Standard (which was produced from 1958-1961) costs on average over $300,000 apiece. Practically any article dealing with these guitars comes to the conclusion that they are some of the best instruments ever created, and contain an undefinable x-factor that bests the virtually identical reissues that also cost a small fortune.

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** Even relatively modern instruments are affected by this. Look at electric guitars for instance; the Gibson Les Paul Standard (which was produced from 1958-1961) costs on average over $300,000 apiece. Practically any article dealing with these guitars comes to the conclusion that they are some of the best instruments ever created, and contain an undefinable x-factor that bests the virtually identical reissues that also cost a small fortune. fortune.
*** Since some musicans refer to their electric guitar as their "axe", would that make this an example of an AncestralWeapon? <inster {{Rimshot}} sound here>
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The idea, especially in Fantasy settings, that older things generally are better. The swords left behind by the old civilization are better than those made by their modern decendants. Same goes for armor, magic, or whatever. Anything that can be described as "ancient" is better than it's modern counterpart, like if people are regressing rather than inventing new technologies and improving on old ideas. In fact, this technology is so superior that it continues to outperform modern one [[RagnarokProofing despite spending a dozen centuries half buried in dirt in a cave]]. This can be explained by a setting with MedievalStasis: if technology is not advancing, then older items made by legendary craftsmen will be better than modern gear made by run-of-the-mill craftsmen. Sometimes this can also be explained by the source of the items being a {{Precursor}} race or Civilization, with the "modern" civilization having simply not caught up to them yet.

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The idea, especially in Fantasy settings, that older things generally are better. The swords left behind by the an old civilization are better than those made by their modern decendants.descendants. Same goes for armor, magic, or whatever. Anything that can be described as "ancient" is better than it's its modern counterpart, like as if people are regressing rather than inventing new technologies and improving on old ideas. In fact, this technology is so superior that it continues to outperform modern one ones [[RagnarokProofing despite spending a dozen centuries half buried in dirt in a cave]]. This can be explained by a setting with MedievalStasis: if technology is not advancing, then older items made by legendary craftsmen will be better than modern gear made by run-of-the-mill craftsmen. Sometimes this can also be explained by the source of the items being a {{Precursor}} race or Civilization, with the "modern" civilization having simply not caught up to them yet.
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* In {{Star Control 2}}, the massive galaxy-dominating battleship was a repurposed artifact from The {{Precursor}}s; most of the ultra-powerful devices are Precursor in origin.
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** Even relatively modern instruments are affected by this. Look at electric guitars for instance; the Gibson Les Paul Standard (which was produced from 1958-1961) costs on average over $300,000 apiece. Practically any article dealing with these guitars comes to the conclusion that they are some of the best instruments ever created, and contain an undefinable x-factor that bests the virtually identical reissues that also cost a small fortune.
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* In KingdomOfLoathing, the pieces of the Antique Arms & Armory are the first pieces of equipment to hit the power ceiling, with each of them having 200 power. However, they also have drawback effects (most notably being BreakableWeapons) that make them AwesomeButImpractical. But then again, the stuff you can dig up at the bottom of the sea are all InfinityPlusOneSwords, as are the pieces of the Legendary Regalia (old, powerful artifacts that have a connection to your class). So there are at least three examples here.
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** This was only true up to around 3040. Modern designs like the ''Hauptmann'' and ''Uriel'' are at least as good as their Star League counterparts, and the Clans, who were unaffected by the Succession Wars, field mechs that are ''vastly'' superior to equipment from ''any'' era in the Inner Sphere.
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The idea, especially in Fantasy settings, that older things generally are better. The swords left behind by the old civilization are better than those made by their modern decendants. Same goes for armor, magic, or whatever. Anything that can be described as "ancient" is better than it's modern counterpart, like if people are uregressing rather than inventing new technologies and improving on old ideas. In fact, this technology is so superior that it continues to outperform modern one [[RagnarokProofing despite spending a dozen centuries half buried in dirt in a cave]]. This can be explained by a setting with MedievalStasis: if technology is not advancing, then older items made by legendary craftsmen will be better than modern gear made by run-of-the-mill craftsmen. Sometimes this can also be explained by the source of the items being a {{Precursor}} race or Civilization, with the "modern" civilization having simply not caught up to them yet.

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The idea, especially in Fantasy settings, that older things generally are better. The swords left behind by the old civilization are better than those made by their modern decendants. Same goes for armor, magic, or whatever. Anything that can be described as "ancient" is better than it's modern counterpart, like if people are uregressing regressing rather than inventing new technologies and improving on old ideas. In fact, this technology is so superior that it continues to outperform modern one [[RagnarokProofing despite spending a dozen centuries half buried in dirt in a cave]]. This can be explained by a setting with MedievalStasis: if technology is not advancing, then older items made by legendary craftsmen will be better than modern gear made by run-of-the-mill craftsmen. Sometimes this can also be explained by the source of the items being a {{Precursor}} race or Civilization, with the "modern" civilization having simply not caught up to them yet.
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The idea, especially in Fantasy settings, that older things generally are better. The swords left behind by the old civilization are better than those made by their modern decendants. Same goes for armor, magic, or whatever. Anything that can be described as "ancient" is better than it's modern counterpart, like if people are regressing rather than inventing new technologies and improving on old ideas. In fact, this technology is so superior that it continues to outperform modern one [[RagnarokProofing despite spending a dozen centuries half buried in dirt in a cave]]. This can be explained by a setting with MedievalStasis: if technology is not advancing, then older items made by legendary craftsmen will be better than modern gear made by run-of-the-mill craftsmen. Sometimes this can also be explained by the source of the items being a {{Precursor}} race or Civilization, with the "modern" civilization having simply not caught up to them yet.

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The idea, especially in Fantasy settings, that older things generally are better. The swords left behind by the old civilization are better than those made by their modern decendants. Same goes for armor, magic, or whatever. Anything that can be described as "ancient" is better than it's modern counterpart, like if people are regressing uregressing rather than inventing new technologies and improving on old ideas. In fact, this technology is so superior that it continues to outperform modern one [[RagnarokProofing despite spending a dozen centuries half buried in dirt in a cave]]. This can be explained by a setting with MedievalStasis: if technology is not advancing, then older items made by legendary craftsmen will be better than modern gear made by run-of-the-mill craftsmen. Sometimes this can also be explained by the source of the items being a {{Precursor}} race or Civilization, with the "modern" civilization having simply not caught up to them yet.



* The sound produced by violins and similarly-shaped instruments takes on a noticeably different timbre if they were constructed a very long time ago; the aging of the wood changes the dampening profile of the resonating chamber. This is one reason Stradivarius violins are so sought-after: Not only was Antonio Stradivari a highly skilled craftsman, but his violins are now over three centuries old.

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* The sound produced by violins and similarly-shaped instruments takes on a noticeably different timbre if they were constructed a very long time ago; the aging of the wood changes the dampening profile of the resonating chamber. This is one reason Stradivarius violins are so sought-after: Not only was Antonio Stradivari a highly skilled craftsman, but his violins are now over three centuries old. Additionally, it is thought that Stradivari's primary source of material for his more famous violins may have been cold-preserved wood from ruins that were already at least hundreds of years old, making this a real-life [[PlayingWithATrope Exaggerated Trope]].

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* Wine and spirits improve with age, at least according to the connoiseurs who drink them.
** The word "vintage" originally meant the collection of grape vines (farm and year) that a wine was made from; the fact that this word has come to mean "aged to perfection" in popular speech attests to the OlderIsBetter notion among wine snobs.
* The sound produced by violins and similarly-shaped instruments takes on a noticeably different timbre if they were constructed a very long time ago; the aging of the wood changes the dampening profile of the resonating chamber. This is one reason Stradivarius violins are so sought-after: Not only was Antonio Stradivari a highly skilled craftsman, but his violins are now over three centuries old.
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* In ''DiabloII'' (and clones) all of the items with more obscure ancient names are for some reason better. A falchion is better than a stock broadsword, even though broadswords proved to be the most effective weapon through Darwinian means. Its why they are still around, because they work and the old stuff doesn't.

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* In ''DiabloII'' (and clones) all of the items with more obscure ancient names are for some reason better. A falchion is better than a stock broadsword, even though broadswords proved to be the most effective weapon through Darwinian means. Its (It's why they are still around, broadswords continued to be made all the way through the Renaissance, because they work and the old stuff doesn't.)
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->'''Kathrena:''' "Flintlocke, I don't know if this quest you found for the ''ultimate goblin engineered weapon'' is legitimate. It's written in crayon."
->'''Flintlocke:''' "''ANCIENT'' crayon!"

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->'''Flintlocke:''' -->'''Flintlocke:''' "''ANCIENT'' crayon!"
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** Mumm-Ra's transformation sequence implies that, despite being a thousand years old, he gets his powers from statues called the "Ancient Spirits of Evil" who are even older.
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** Mumm-Ra himself might be an example of this trope. Part of his BadAss-ness stems from the fact that he's a thousand years old.
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* In one episode of {{Thundercats}}, Mumm-Ra is poking around in disguise by a (you guessed it) ancient pyramid. He's trying to open the lock on the door, and muses, "Ah, a very ancient lock design, unknown on Third Earth for a thousand years. Unknown, that is, except to one who has ''lived'' for a thousand years!"
** Mumm-Ra himself might be an example of this trope. Part of his BadAss-ness stems from the fact that he's a thousand years old.
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* In ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'', the older the magic, the better. This is especially seen in the Waking the Dragons arc. Got 500 year old magic? Too bad, my magic is ''1,000'' years old.

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* In ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}'', the older the magic, the better. This is especially seen in the Waking the Dragons arc. Got 500 5000 year old magic? Too bad, my magic is ''1,000'' ''10,000'' years old.
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* In DoctorWho, hiding in a really old building can keep the [[ClockRoaches Reapers]] away from you. For a while.
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Do not confuse with the RealLife nostalgia due to [[{{ptitle8170np5c6iu6}} They Don't Make Them Like They Used To]].

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Do not confuse with the RealLife nostalgia due to [[{{ptitle8170np5c6iu6}} They Don't Make Them Like They Used To]]. Compare StrongerWithAge when this applies to creatures.
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* ''AssassinsCreed'' 2 and Brotherhood both feature this. Altair's centuries old armor is better than all modern armor. Justified by it being made from a {{Precursor}} alloy. However, Brutus' (as in Caesar's killer) armor is better than modern armor too, despite being even older and having no real sign of being made from {{Precursor}} tech. Similarly, Altair's sword and Brutus' dagger are better than their modern counterparts. Again neither have signs of precursor tech in them.
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** Semi-averted in ForgottenRealms: After the [[{{Gotterdammerung}} Fall of Netheril]] the world's magic circuitry is broken. Alas, it's impossible to cast spells as powerful as Mavin's Worldweave or Proctiv's Seal Crystal Sphere (11 level). On the other hand? There's constant development -- Netheril in his prime had nothing as efficient as Virus Charm or Sammaster's Spellcaster. Even magic items of relatively recent era of Myth Drannor are sometimes fabled and sometimes plain inferior (like protections [[OverclockingAttack exploding on overload]]).
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* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and Numenorian weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Feanor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty. Likewise, the modern-day dwarves of the Misty Mountain haven't managed to match the weapons and armour that were made by their ancestors, whose techniques were lost when Smaug killed them.

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* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and Numenorian weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Feanor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty. Likewise, the modern-day dwarves of the Misty Lonely Mountain haven't managed to match the weapons and armour that were made by their ancestors, whose techniques were lost when Smaug killed them.

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* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and numenorian weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Faenor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty.
* ''HarryPotter'': The Elder Wand[[hottip:*:Elder being the wood it is made from, not a reference to it's age.]] is the best wand, and despite wandcraft having ostensibly advanced since it's creation, several centuries ago, no wand made since can match it. Same for [[spoiler:Harry's invisibility cloak]] which is both older and superior to all of it's kind, even those made more recently. So superior are they that this gave birth to legends of these items being made by Death itself, and not by wizards like they were truly made.

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* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and numenorian Numenorian weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Faenor, Feanor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty.
beauty. Likewise, the modern-day dwarves of the Misty Mountain haven't managed to match the weapons and armour that were made by their ancestors, whose techniques were lost when Smaug killed them.
** Inverted in the [[http://flyingmoose.org/tolksarc/book/ rec.arts.books.tolkien E-Text]]:
--> The Sword of Elendil was reforged by Elvish smiths. Not only did they put the two pieces together, which requires great skill if the joint is to be as strong as if the blade were newly-forged, but with the improvements in metallurgy which had been make during the millennia, they shaved a pound and a half off its weight, yet leaving the blade far stronger and less brittle than it had been before.
* ''HarryPotter'': The Elder Wand[[hottip:*:Elder being the wood it is made from, not a reference to it's its age.]] is the best wand, and despite wandcraft having ostensibly advanced since it's creation, several centuries ago, no wand made since can match it. Same for [[spoiler:Harry's invisibility cloak]] which is both older and superior to all of it's kind, even those made more recently. So superior are they that this gave birth to legends of these items being made by Death itself, and not by wizards like they were truly made.
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* {{Runescape}} has a lot of equipment originating from thousands of years past the current year of the game and these are some of the best equipment available...usually.

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* A standard trope in ''DungeonsAndDragons''. If something is described as "Ancient", there is a 90% chance its better than it's modern equivalent.
* ''TheElderScrolls'' roll on this. Ancient Dwemer and Elven armors are better than modern day armors, despite being made (ostensibly) from the same kind of materials. Only armors made of specifically rarer material, such as Glass, Ebony or Daedric Ebony, are better.
* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and numenorian weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Faenor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty.
* ''HarryPotter'': The Elder Wand[[hottip:*:Elder being the wood it is made from, not a reference to it's age.]] is the best wand, and despite wandcraft having ostensibly advanced since it's creation, several centuries ago, no wand made since can match it. Same for [[spoiler:Harry's invisibility cloak]] which is both older and superior to all of it's kind, even those made more recently. So superior are they that this gave birth to legends of these items being made by Death itself, and not by wizards like they were truly made.
** Interesting, because HarryPotter seems to generally avert the trope: Magic evolves like science does. New discoveries are made. This is evident with Broomsticks: newer broomsticks are better for example: The Nimbus 2001 is better than the Nimbus 2000, who are both outdone by the more modern Firebolt.
* Played with in [[http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/583/583805p1.html this Flintlocke cartoon]]:
->'''Kathrena:''' "Flintlocke, I don't know if this quest you found for the ''ultimate goblin engineered weapon'' is legitimate. It's written in crayon."
->'''Flintlocke:''' "''ANCIENT'' crayon!"

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* A standard trope in ''DungeonsAndDragons''. If something is described as "Ancient", there is a 90% chance its better than it's modern equivalent.
* ''TheElderScrolls'' roll on this. Ancient Dwemer and Elven armors are better than modern day armors, despite being made (ostensibly) from the same kind of materials. Only armors made of specifically rarer material, such as Glass, Ebony or Daedric Ebony, are better.
* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and numenorian weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Faenor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty.
* ''HarryPotter'': The Elder Wand[[hottip:*:Elder being the wood it is made from, not a reference to it's age.]] is the best wand, and despite wandcraft having ostensibly advanced since it's creation, several centuries ago, no wand made since can match it. Same for [[spoiler:Harry's invisibility cloak]] which is both older and superior to all of it's kind, even those made more recently. So superior are they that this gave birth to legends of these items being made by Death itself, and not by wizards like they were truly made.
** Interesting, because HarryPotter seems to generally avert the trope: Magic evolves like science does. New discoveries are made. This is evident with Broomsticks: newer broomsticks are better for example: The Nimbus 2001 is better than the Nimbus 2000, who are both outdone by the more modern Firebolt.
* Played with in [[http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/583/583805p1.html this Flintlocke cartoon]]:
->'''Kathrena:''' "Flintlocke, I don't know if this quest you found for the ''ultimate goblin engineered weapon'' is legitimate. It's written in crayon."
->'''Flintlocke:''' "''ANCIENT'' crayon!"
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* Obviously very prominent in ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' - not only They Don't Make Them Like They Used To - ancient magic weapons and eldar artifacts benefit from 'ancientness' as much as human technology.
* A major element in the ''BattleTech'' and ''MechWarrior'' universe. Most of the galaxy's technological and industrial base ended up getting smashed in a lengthy series of civil war, losing them the ability to produce their highly advanced technology. Thus, newer mechs tend to be less capable in combat when paired up against similar mechs that were built hundreds of years earlier. Of course, if you HAVE such an old (but powerful) mech, you try to make sure it gets the best of maintenance so it will continue to be the best.


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* ''LordOfTheRings'': Ancient Elven and numenorian weapons are better than modern day Gondorian and Elven ones. The Silmarils were made by one of the most ancient elves, Faenor, and nothing created since rivals their beauty.
* ''HarryPotter'': The Elder Wand[[hottip:*:Elder being the wood it is made from, not a reference to it's age.]] is the best wand, and despite wandcraft having ostensibly advanced since it's creation, several centuries ago, no wand made since can match it. Same for [[spoiler:Harry's invisibility cloak]] which is both older and superior to all of it's kind, even those made more recently. So superior are they that this gave birth to legends of these items being made by Death itself, and not by wizards like they were truly made.
** Interesting, because HarryPotter seems to generally avert the trope: Magic evolves like science does. New discoveries are made. This is evident with Broomsticks: newer broomsticks are better for example: The Nimbus 2001 is better than the Nimbus 2000, who are both outdone by the more modern Firebolt.


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* A standard trope in ''DungeonsAndDragons''. If something is described as "Ancient", there is a 90% chance its better than it's modern equivalent.
* A major element in the ''BattleTech'' and ''MechWarrior'' universe. Most of the galaxy's technological and industrial base ended up getting smashed in a lengthy series of civil war, losing them the ability to produce their highly advanced technology. Thus, newer mechs tend to be less capable in combat when paired up against similar mechs that were built hundreds of years earlier. Of course, if you HAVE such an old (but powerful) mech, you try to make sure it gets the best of maintenance so it will continue to be the best.
* Obviously very prominent in ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' - not only They Don't Make Them Like They Used To - ancient magic weapons and eldar artifacts benefit from 'ancientness' as much as human technology.
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* ''TheElderScrolls'' roll on this. Ancient Dwemer and Elven armors are better than modern day armors, despite being made (ostensibly) from the same kind of materials. Only armors made of specifically rarer material, such as Glass, Ebony or Daedric Ebony, are better.


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* Played with in [[http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/583/583805p1.html this Flintlocke cartoon]]:
->'''Kathrena:''' "Flintlocke, I don't know if this quest you found for the ''ultimate goblin engineered weapon'' is legitimate. It's written in crayon."
->'''Flintlocke:''' "''ANCIENT'' crayon!"
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