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* The Drow (see Tabletop Games below) deserve a mention here as well, since R.A. Salvatore's [[TheDarkElfTrilogy Drizzt]] books did a lot to codify that picture of their society.
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* ''{{Paranoia}}'' officially prohibits players from even ''knowing'' the rules. It then acknowledges that the players will read them anyway. To provide a "don't get caught" aspect, ''summary execution'' of a character is recommended if the player tries to {{Metagame}} (although with five backup clones, this is more a warning than a [[RocksFallEveryoneDies bolt of purple lightning]]).

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* ''{{Paranoia}}'' officially prohibits players from even ''knowing'' the rules. It then acknowledges that the players will read them anyway. To provide a "don't get caught" aspect, ''summary execution'' of a character is recommended if the player tries to {{Metagame}} (although with five backup clones, this is more a warning [[DeathIsCheap warning]] than a [[RocksFallEveryoneDies bolt of purple lightning]]).
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* Drow from ''Dungeons & Dragons''. Their entire ''legal system'' is based around this trope. As an example, in the city of Menzoberranzan if a Drow Noble House wants to eliminate another Noble House they must do it in a way that leaves no member of the eliminated house alive, since only the attacked house has the right of accusation against the attacking house, and are the only ones allowed to witness. Anyone else who happens to see the attack are merely "spectators." If even one member of the attacked house is alive to accuse the attackers, the attacking family will, according to the law, be eradicated. If no one is left alive to witness, everyone will act as if the now deceased house never existed in the first place, except for vaguely praising the attackers for a succesful raid.
** In ''DrowTales'', one of the rules in the SchoolOfMagic is "If you attack another student, you must kill and dispose of the body."

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* Drow from ''Dungeons & Dragons''. Their entire ''legal system'' is based around this trope. As an example, in the city of Menzoberranzan if a Drow Noble House wants to eliminate another Noble House they must do it in a way that leaves no member of the eliminated house alive, since only the attacked house has the right of accusation against the attacking house, and are the only ones allowed to witness. Anyone else who happens to see the attack are merely "spectators." If even one member of the attacked house is alive to accuse the attackers, the attacking family will, according to the law, be eradicated. If no one is left alive to witness, everyone will act as if the now deceased house [[{{Unperson}} never existed in the first place, place]], except for vaguely praising the attackers for a succesful successful raid.
** In ''DrowTales'', one of the rules in the SchoolOfMagic [[WizardingSchool School of Magic]] is "If you attack another student, you must kill and dispose of the body."
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**** At that point in time, House Baenre is the First House because it's easily more powerful than any one (actually quite likely two and possibly more) of its rival Houses and enjoys the full favor of Lolth. [[AlwaysChaoticEvil Drow]] [[MightMakesRight being]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder drow]], an alliance powerful enough to unseat it on such a flimsy pretext just isn't going to ''happen''...and so history simply gets WrittenByTheWinners once again.
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* The [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Naval_Conference Washington Naval Conference]] laid down strict limitations on the construction of warships, with the idea of preventing an out-and-out, ruinously expensive battleship arms race. Of course, the nations that didn't [[LoopholeAbuse wiggle through the loopholes]] (it's 10,000 tons and it carries 15 fast-firing main guns, but it's still classified as an innocent-sounding and unrestricted "light cruiser" just because the guns are six-inchers) decided "screw tonnage limitations!" and started laying down ships that exceeded the tonnage limitations by 25 to 40%. Special mention goes to the Japanese, who categorically denied Western rumors that they [[ExactWords were building forty- to fifty-thousand battleships]] (when the limit was 35,000 tons). The battleships in question turned out to be the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato_class_battleship ''Yamato'' class]], which weighed in at ''[[BeyondTheImpossible 65,000 tons]]''. Nobody knew their exact weight until ''after'' WorldWarII.
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* Several of the characters in SchlockMercenary view all rules as these, including Captain Tagon.

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...Dude, the point two points above yours says exactly the same thing. How did you miss that?


* The entire premise of the card game known varyingly as Cheat, BS, or I Doubt It. A good tactic is to entirely remove several sets of numbers from the deck and then play them, and call others who try, at your leisure.
** Another good tactic: Hiding all the cards that would technically be unable to play, and then winning without ever being in danger of being caught. Cheating only in the ways the other players expect you to isn't really cheating at all.
* The entire basis of the game Cheat. You put down a certain number of cards in a group (such as two aces or three kings) into a pile while everyone else would watch you and either leave you be or call you out for cheating. The idea is to get rid of all your cards in your hand before anyone else does, and it is possible to cheat by dropping down cards you didn't call (such as saying you dropped two aces when they were really a 6 and a 9). If you are called out while you cheat, you have to pick up the whole pile for cheating, but if you ''weren't'' cheating when they called you out, ''they'' have to pick the pile up. It is very much possible to cheat without anyone calling you out on it so long as you don't make it painfully obvious (such as dropping 5 queens).

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* The entire premise of the card game known varyingly as Cheat, BS, or I Doubt It. A good tactic is to entirely remove several sets of numbers from the deck and then play them, and call others who try, at your leisure.\n** Another good tactic: Hiding all the cards that would technically be unable to play, and then winning without ever being in danger of being caught. Cheating only in the ways the other players expect you to isn't really cheating at all.\n* The entire basis of the game Cheat. You put down a certain number of cards in a group (such as two aces or three kings) into a pile while everyone else would watch you and either leave you be or call you out for cheating. The idea is to get rid of all your cards in your hand before anyone else does, and it is possible to cheat by dropping down cards you didn't call (such as saying you dropped two aces when they were really a 6 and a 9). If you are called out while you cheat, you have to pick up the whole pile for cheating, but if you ''weren't'' cheating when they called you out, ''they'' have to pick the pile up. It is very much possible to cheat without anyone calling you out on it so long as you don't make it painfully obvious (such as dropping 5 queens).
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** Getting caught, however, can be fatal [[spoiler:As Otto Skorzony finds out when Dubya catches his tileswapping trick.]]

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-->[[TheBible The Eleventh Commandment:]] Thou shalt not get caught.

-->"Statement: I have no idea, master. Cheating seems to be a relevant term only when one is caught in the act. Otherwise it is viewed as intelligence, no?"
-->--'''HK-47,''' ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''

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-->[[TheBible The Eleventh Commandment:]] Thou shalt not get caught.

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->''"Statement: I have no idea, master. Cheating seems to be a relevant term only when one is caught in the act. Otherwise it is viewed as intelligence, no?"
-->--'''HK-47,'''
no?"''
-->-- '''HK-47,'''
''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic''
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** The difficulty to this being, of course, proving that someone did ''not'' cheat.
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**** Presumably, the other seven ''would'' have a perfect pretext to unite and get rid of Baenre if survivors brought it before the Council. The hard part is to live long enough to do it, of course, and even after the deed. Another issue is whether one remains a noble and can make a claim if officially accepted in the status of a merchant clan or mercenary company member, like Jarlaxle (Baenre himself). After all, his stand-in Kimmuriel Oblodra is the last from a punished House, but isn't targetted more than anyone in his position would be.
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** People are divided as to whether or not you are allowed to cheat otherwise. One school of thought is that since it's the name of the game, you should cheat as much as possible by hiding cards or playing more cards than you declare so you can't be caught cheating. The other school allows only cheating in the predefined method.

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* The entire basis of the game Cheat. You put down a certain number of cards in a group (such as two aces or three kings) into a pile while everyone else would watch you and either leave you be or call you out for cheating. The idea is to get rid of all your cards in your hand before anyone else does, and it is possible to cheat by dropping down cards you didn't call (such as saying you dropped two aces when they were really a 6 and a 9). If you are called out while you cheat, you have to pick up the whole pile for cheating, but if you ''weren't'' cheating when they called you out, ''they'' have to pick the pile up. It is very much possible to cheat without anyone calling you out on it so long as you don't make it painfully obvious (such as dropping 5 queens).



* The entire basis of the game Cheat. You put down a certain number of cards in a group (such as two aces or three kings) into a pile while everyone else would watch you and either leave you be or call you out for cheating. The idea is to get rid of all your cards in your hand before anyone else does, and it is possible to cheat by dropping down cards you didn't call (such as saying you dropped two aces when they were really a 6 and a 9). If you are called out while you cheat, you have to pick up the whole pile for cheating, but if you ''weren't'' cheating when they called you out, ''they'' have to pick the pile up. It is very much possible to cheat without anyone calling you out on it so long as you don't make it painfully obvious (such as dropping 5 queens).
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** Not just for players, but for fans as well, as it's standard practice for people in the stands to try to psych out or distract the opposing team's members with yells and insults.
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*** So House Baerne is cheating the rule that says under what circumstances it's permissable to cheat?
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* Theoretically, anything a team on ''ScrapheapChallenge''/''JunkyardWars'' brings back to their lot is theirs for keeps. Yeah, right ... unless the other team steals it, in which case the hosts and thieves have a laugh at the victimized team's expense.
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Neopets didn't invent Cheat.


* The entire basis of {{Neopet}}'s mini-game Cheat. You put down a certain number of cards in a group (such as two aces or three kings) into a pile while everyone else would watch you to either leave you be or call you out for cheating. The idea is to get rid of all your cards in your hand before anyone else does, and it is possible to cheat by dropping down cards you didn't call (such as saying you dropped two aces when they were really a 6 and a 9). If you are called out while you cheat, you have to pick up the whole pile for cheating, but if you ''weren't'' cheating when they called you out, ''they'' have to pick the pile up. It is very much possible to cheat without anyone calling you out on it so long as you don't make it painfully obvious (such as dropping 5 queens).

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* The entire basis of {{Neopet}}'s mini-game the game Cheat. You put down a certain number of cards in a group (such as two aces or three kings) into a pile while everyone else would watch you to and either leave you be or call you out for cheating. The idea is to get rid of all your cards in your hand before anyone else does, and it is possible to cheat by dropping down cards you didn't call (such as saying you dropped two aces when they were really a 6 and a 9). If you are called out while you cheat, you have to pick up the whole pile for cheating, but if you ''weren't'' cheating when they called you out, ''they'' have to pick the pile up. It is very much possible to cheat without anyone calling you out on it so long as you don't make it painfully obvious (such as dropping 5 queens).
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* The entire basis of {{Neopet}}'s mini-game Cheat. You put down a certain number of cards in a group (such as two aces or three kings) into a pile while everyone else would watch you to either leave you be or call you out for cheating. The idea is to get rid of all your cards in your hand before anyone else does, and it is possible to cheat by dropping down cards you didn't call (such as saying you dropped two aces when they were really a 6 and a 9). If you are called out while you cheat, you have to pick up the whole pile for cheating, but if you ''weren't'' cheating when they called you out, ''they'' have to pick the pile up. It is very much possible to cheat without anyone calling you out on it so long as you don't make it painfully obvious (such as dropping 5 queens).

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Most people like the training game. So there.


* In ''BreathOfFire III'', there's a minigame where you have to train a scrawny man's skills so he can beat a musclehead in a duel. You get disqualified only if anyone ''sees'' you interfere with the fight itself.
** Of course, the other side of that is that the musclehead will only get distracted after landing a critical blow. So you can't cheat your way to victory without the mandatory (and incredibly boring) training, since the scrawny man will get murdered by a critical hit otherwise.

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* In ''BreathOfFire III'', there's a minigame where you have to train a scrawny man's skills so he can beat a musclehead in a duel. You get disqualified only if anyone ''sees'' you interfere with the fight itself.
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* If a non-word is played in Scrabble, but the next player takes their turn before anyone notices, the word stands.
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In the earlier seasons, yes, where the rules aren't completely defined. It follows well (mostly) after. Note regular summon limits and special summons.


* Apparently no one in ''YuGiOh'' has noticed the blatant disregard for rules in the show, such as drawing multiple monsters in a turn (which is the ''least'' egregious cheat). Since no one's said anything except the hardcore fans, it doesn't count.
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*** Also recall that Alternate Kirk rigged the mission in an entirely different way than original Kirk did.
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* A subversion sometimes happens in the form of the "Dusty Finish", named after Dusty Rhodes who used to book this sort of finish ''all the time''. In this case, the trope is played straight until the match is finished and one wrestler (often the face) is declared the winner, only for a second referee to come out and inform the first referee that the face did something to cause a disqualfication (usually throwing the heel over the top rope, which was illegal at the time), causing that referee to reverse the decision. Because the ''face'' is usually on the losing end of the Dusty Finish, this practice is widely hated among wrestling fans. The most infamous example occurred in the AWA, when HulkHogan apparently won the title from Nick Bockwinkel, only for AWA president Stanley Blackburn to personally reverse the decision because Hogan threw Bockwinkel over the top rope. The fans nearly rioted as a result, and Hogan would leave the AWA for Vince [=McMahon=]'s WWF, and the rest is history.
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* This is, literally, the first rule of satirical card game ''{{Munchkin}}''. It's only cheating if they catch you at it.

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* This is, literally, the first rule of satirical card game ''{{Munchkin}}''.''{{Game/Munchkin}}''. It's only cheating if they catch you at it.
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* Virtually half of the way the whole show works, especially with the manager or tag team partner getting in a few shots while the [[EasilyDistractedReferee ref's back is turned]]. Mostly done by {{heel}}s, but sometimes by {{face}}s against a heel who's really gone out of his way to deserve to be HoistByHisOwnPetard.

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* Virtually half of the way the whole show works, especially with the manager or tag team partner getting in a few shots while the [[EasilyDistractedReferee ref's back is turned]]. Mostly done by {{heel}}s, but sometimes by {{face}}s against a heel who's really gone out of his way to deserve to be HoistByHisOwnPetard. Though in TheNineties it became increasingly common for DarkerAndEdgier faces to consistently use "heel" tactics like this as well.



** Eddie Guerrero lampshaded it ("I Lie, I Cheat, I Steal"), and later in his career took to inverting it (e.g. by hitting ''the mat'' with a steel chair, tossing it to his opponent, then playing dead and winning by DQ).

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** Eddie Guerrero EddieGuerrero lampshaded it ("I Lie, I Cheat, I Steal"), and later in his career took to inverting it (e.g. by hitting ''the mat'' with a steel chair, tossing it to his opponent, then playing dead and winning by DQ).DQ, which worked even though normally refs only call a DQ if they ''see'' the illegal hit).
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** And lampshaded in ''A Civil Campaign'':
-->"If we're not stooping, what do you call that shell game with the Vortugalovs and the uterine replicator?" Ivan demanded indignantly.
-->"A piece of wholly unexpected good fortune. None of us ''here'' had anything to do with it," Miles replied tranquilly.
-->"So it's not a dirty trick if it's untraceable?"
-->"Correct, Ivan. You learn fast. Grandfather would have been...suprised."
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* In Raymond Feist and Janny Wurts' Empire trilogy, betrayal and assassination among rivals in the major Houses is almost never punished by the law unless the perpetrator was crass enough to be obvious about it. And being able to engineer a rival's demise by exploiting law and custom rather than just ignoring it will earn you the quiet admiration of your peers.
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* One of the lessons taught to children by playing ''{{Monopoly}}'' is that you only have to pay rent if the person who owns the property realizes you're there.


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** Possibly a shout-out to ''RanmaOneHalf'' where spectators get used as improvised weapons during the Martial Arts Rythmic Gymnastics fight.
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**** Note that other anthropologists theorize that with Sparta's soldier-class chronically absent due to Sparta's many foreign adventures, wives were so desperate that they had sex with helots. SoYeah.

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**** Note that other anthropologists theorize that with Sparta's soldier-class chronically absent due to Sparta's many foreign adventures, wives were so desperate that they had sex with helots. SoYeah.
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* The trope name is spoken almost verbatim in ''{{Andromeda}}'' by Gaheris Rhade to [[TheCaptain Hunt]] in a {{flashback}} when Dylan catches him cheating at {{Go}}. Rhade is visibly confused as to why Dylan is angry at him. Being a [[NietzscheWannabe Nietzschean]], he naturally assumes that everyone behaves that way, if they want to survive.
* In a ''{{Warehouse 13}}'' episode, Artie plays a game of {{Battleship}} with an [[AIIsACrapshoot AI]] that has taken over the warehouse. He wins by not actually putting any ships on the board. This is used to prove a point to the AI that it is merely an incomplete version of its creator, who is a master cheater.

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