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* In ''{{VideoGame/Mabinogi}}'' if you start playing and ''then'' decide to learn magic (instead of starting as an already-trained mage), the first teacher you'll come across is Lassar. Her teaching method involves lectures in mildly mind-numbing detail, book study, homework, and oral quizzes (and trying to get you - and everybody around - into school uniforms). As her lessons go on for a number of in-game days, many players skip over the lectures or take other routes to learning magic just to avoid the whole process. For those who don't, their content is entirely consistent and mostly relevant to an adventurer. Some find it a nice change from the usual MMO approach of just handing your character spells.
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* In ''ComicBook/ToothAndClaw'' #1 a group of wizards discusses dozens of complex-sounding spells that the reader has no idea the effects of.
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* Prepare for [[http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/Wave_Theory a whole lot of this]] if you want to know how magic works in ''[[VideoGame/ArTonelicoMelodyOfElemia Ar tonelico]]''. The bulk of the really detailed stuff is only found in supplementary materials, though.
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* ''Fanfic/ChildOfTheStorm'' has Loki, usually, walk the line between MagiBabble and TechnoBabble.
** Harry Dresden also does this.
** And Thor, surprisingly, though usually when people least expect it.


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** Harry's no slouch at either, partly because he's a FirstPersonSmartass narrator who happens to be a powerful wizard who genuinely knows his stuff - this is shown best in ''Literature/TurnCoat'' when he discusses magic with Morgan as an equal, despite the other man being around four times his age. He also shows on several occasions that he really does love studying magic, and will do so simply for the sake of it.
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* Shows up several times in [[Franchise/TheWitcher the Witcher series]]. It sounds a bit like a professional slang sprinkled with mathematical and scientific terms.
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*** Cimorene admitted her knowledge of magic was limited because her parents were quick to cut off her secret magic lessons. Besides, it's more that Telemain just talks really fast and only Mendanbar, who is used to it from his elf steward, can catch what he's saying, and he's also far more knowledgable about all sorts of magic as the King of the Enchanted Forest is than Cimorene, whose talents tend to be more practical than magical.
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* The Bob Howard / [[TheLaundrySeries Laundry]] stories by Creator/CharlesStross are *made* of this trope. The magic in this setting is based on mathematics and computer science -- Alan Turing invented the local {{Magitek}} -- and it reads like a cross between MIT's 6.001 and Abdul Alhazred.

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* The Bob Howard / [[TheLaundrySeries Howard[=/=][[TheLaundrySeries Laundry]] stories by Creator/CharlesStross are *made* of this trope. The magic in this setting is based on mathematics and computer science -- Alan Turing invented the local {{Magitek}} -- and it reads like a cross between MIT's 6.001 and Abdul Alhazred.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' official {{manga}} ''Silent Sinner in Blue'' has a number of the cast using ''Shinto-Babble'' to power a three-stage rocket that will take them to the moon. The explanation of the three-stage rocket and its power source and very much in-character for the series: ''real'' logic can go take a hike. While a cursory glance at other source material does imply there are certain rules to using magic in the ''Touhou'' universe, ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve and [[FauxSymbolism What Do You Mean It's Not Symbolic]] seem to be the only things that really matter in the long run.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' official {{manga}} ''Silent Sinner in Blue'' has a number of the cast using ''Shinto-Babble'' to power a three-stage rocket that will take them to the moon. The explanation of the three-stage rocket and its power source and are very much in-character for the series: ''real'' logic can go take a hike. While a cursory glance at other source material does imply there are certain rules to using magic in the ''Touhou'' universe, ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve and [[FauxSymbolism What Do You Mean It's Not Symbolic]] seem to be the only things that really matter in the long run.
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** The same mage's journal also contains a referance to "Galerion's Ninth Law", which is apparently immutable.
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* ''TabletopGame/TheDarkEye loves to do this, often quite consciously.

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* ''TabletopGame/TheDarkEye loves to do this, often quite consciously.
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** Eric, the demonology hacker in [[Discworld/{{Eric}} the book of the same name]], uses Magi Babble that sounds suspiciously like computer babble. "You see, if you rewrite the source codex and, this is the difficult bit, reroute it through a high-level..."

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** Eric, the demonology hacker in [[Discworld/{{Eric}} the book of the same name]], uses Magi Babble that sounds suspiciously like computer babble. "You see, if you rewrite the source codex and, this is the difficult bit, reroute you route it through a high-level..."
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** ''Literature/{{Discworld}}''
* Ponder Stibbons, a {{Magitek}} {{Geek}}, uses a combination of MagiBabble and TechnoBabble to describe the devices created in the High Energy Magic Building (or more often, to hide the fact he's got no idea how they work, even though he built them). Wizards, and indeed some others, also use the catch all explanation of 'It's probably Quantum' or something being weird "'cos of Quantum" to explain anything significantly baffling. It appears to fulfil the same function as saying 'It's magic' in RealLife, though it is usually incorporated with other MagiBabble.

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* ** Ponder Stibbons, a {{Magitek}} {{Geek}}, uses a combination of MagiBabble and TechnoBabble to describe the devices created in the High Energy Magic Building (or more often, to hide the fact he's got no idea how they work, even though he built them). Wizards, and indeed some others, also use the catch all explanation of 'It's probably Quantum' or something being weird "'cos of Quantum" to explain anything significantly baffling. It appears to fulfil the same function as saying 'It's magic' in RealLife, though it is usually incorporated with other MagiBabble.

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* Ponder Stibbons, a {{Magitek}} {{Geek}} in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, uses a combination of MagiBabble and TechnoBabble to describe the devices created in the High Energy Magic Building (or more often, to hide the fact he's got no idea how they work, even though he built them). Wizards, and indeed some others, also use the catch all explanation of 'It's probably Quantum' or something being weird "'cos of Quantum" to explain anything significantly baffling. It appears to fulfil the same function as saying 'It's magic' in RealLife, though it is usually incorporated with other MagiBabble.

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* Ponder Stibbons, a {{Magitek}} {{Geek}} in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, {{Geek}}, uses a combination of MagiBabble and TechnoBabble to describe the devices created in the High Energy Magic Building (or more often, to hide the fact he's got no idea how they work, even though he built them). Wizards, and indeed some others, also use the catch all explanation of 'It's probably Quantum' or something being weird "'cos of Quantum" to explain anything significantly baffling. It appears to fulfil the same function as saying 'It's magic' in RealLife, though it is usually incorporated with other MagiBabble.MagiBabble.
** Eric, the demonology hacker in [[Discworld/{{Eric}} the book of the same name]], uses Magi Babble that sounds suspiciously like computer babble. "You see, if you rewrite the source codex and, this is the difficult bit, reroute it through a high-level..."
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* Comes up often when Jeff Grubb gets his hands on franchise fiction. Notable works include the Warcraft novel ''[[Literature/WarcraftTheLastGuardian The Last Guardian]]'', and his ''MagicTheGathering'' novels set during the Brothers' War (the Antiquities and Urza's Saga sets) and the Ice Age. Seeing as how Grubb often produces some of the better novels in these franchises, his tendency towards magi babble is either forgivable or awesome, especially since the rules he sets down tend to make magic more consistent in later works by others.

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* Comes up often when Jeff Grubb gets his hands on franchise fiction. Notable works include the Warcraft novel ''[[Literature/WarcraftTheLastGuardian The Last Guardian]]'', and his ''MagicTheGathering'' novels set during the Brothers' War Literature/TheBrothersWar (the Antiquities and Urza's Saga sets) and the Ice Age. Seeing as how Grubb often produces some of the better novels in these franchises, his tendency towards magi babble is either forgivable or awesome, especially since the rules he sets down tend to make magic more consistent in later works by others.
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* ''TabletopGame/ArsMagica'': In spades. There are arts, mystery cult initiations, exotically named spells, different types of vis, and a dozen or more exotic traditions to speak about in character. The magic rules are so closely linked to the in-setting magic concepts that it becomes difficult not to talk in magi babble.
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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' often has Touma frustrated when Index or another magical character starts explaining things this way.

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* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' often has Touma frustrated when Index or another magical character starts explaining things this way. In turn, the magical character often complains that Touma must be an idiot for not being able to understand something they have known since childhood.
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* ''{{Castlevania}}'' avoided this for most of its history, with the nuts and bolts of Dracula's constant [[BackFromTheDead resurrections]] and his [[ChaosArchitecture haunted castle]] elided or [[HandWave hand-waved]], but then along comes ''Aria of Sorrow'', and Genya [[spoiler: (aka once-proud series hero Alucard)]] is largely there just to grease the plot with this stuff.

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* ''{{Castlevania}}'' ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' avoided this for most of its history, with the nuts and bolts of Dracula's constant [[BackFromTheDead resurrections]] and his [[ChaosArchitecture haunted castle]] elided or [[HandWave hand-waved]], but then along comes ''Aria of Sorrow'', ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaAriaOfSorrow'', and Genya [[spoiler: (aka once-proud series hero Alucard)]] is largely there just to grease the plot with this stuff.
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* Ponder Stibbons, a {{Magitek}} {{Geek}} in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, uses a combination of MagiBabble and TechnoBabble to describe the devices created in the High Energy Magic Building (or more often, to hide the fact he's got no idea how they work, even though he built them). Wizards, and indeed some others, also use the catch all explanation of 'It's probably Quantum' or something being weird "'cos of Quantum" to explain anything significantly baffling. It appears to fulfill the same function as saying 'It's magic' in RealLife, though it is usually incorporated with other MagiBabble.
* This is literally Bob's entire purpose in ''TheDresdenFiles''. He knows the rules better than any mere mortal like Harry could ever know them.

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* Ponder Stibbons, a {{Magitek}} {{Geek}} in the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' novels, uses a combination of MagiBabble and TechnoBabble to describe the devices created in the High Energy Magic Building (or more often, to hide the fact he's got no idea how they work, even though he built them). Wizards, and indeed some others, also use the catch all explanation of 'It's probably Quantum' or something being weird "'cos of Quantum" to explain anything significantly baffling. It appears to fulfill fulfil the same function as saying 'It's magic' in RealLife, though it is usually incorporated with other MagiBabble.
* This is literally Bob's entire purpose in ''TheDresdenFiles''.''Literature/TheDresdenFiles''. He knows the rules better than any mere mortal like Harry could ever know them.



* This comes up quite often in the ''SwordOfTruth'' series. In the earlier books, the in-world magic system seems fairly standard for a fantasy series; i.e., one uses their "gift" to achieve the desired results. After perhaps the third or fourth book, the author [[DoingInTheWizard does in the wizard]] with an ever-increasing amount of magispeech to explain an ever more convoluted system.

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* This comes up quite often in the ''SwordOfTruth'' ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'' series. In the earlier books, the in-world magic system seems fairly standard for a fantasy series; i.e., one uses their "gift" to achieve the desired results. After perhaps the third or fourth book, the author [[DoingInTheWizard does in the wizard]] with an ever-increasing amount of magispeech to explain an ever more convoluted system.
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** Morwen, who has a similar level of experience, naturally understands his terminology. But weirdly, Mendanbar also understands, despite having an intuitive grasp of magic sketchy with technicalities at best, while Cimorene, who is very magically literate and has invented or modified several spells, is always at sea with what he says.
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'' is rife with this whenever the setting's metaphysics are discussed. A lot of it has a sort of internal consistency but it can be so difficult to wrap one's head around that it starts sounding like utter nonsense before too long. The Shinma may be one of the worst examples, as principles/things/concepts that exist/not-exist in the Wyld and define everything by embodying their antithesis. One makes existence possible by embodying non-existence, and is thus technically not even there to do what it does and agggghh.
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* Taken to the logical extreme in ''TheDeathGateCycle'' by MargaretWeis and Tracy Hickman: the magi babble is literally indistinguishable from TechnoBabble and ''almost makes sense''.

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* Taken to the logical extreme in ''TheDeathGateCycle'' ''Literature/TheDeathGateCycle'' by MargaretWeis and Tracy Hickman: the magi babble is literally indistinguishable from TechnoBabble and ''almost makes sense''.
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* The Bob Howard / [[TheLaundrySeries Laundry]] stories by CharlesStross are *made* of this trope. The magic in this setting is based on mathematics and computer science -- Alan Turing invented the local {{Magitek}} -- and it reads like a cross between MIT's 6.001 and Abdul Alhazred.

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* The Bob Howard / [[TheLaundrySeries Laundry]] stories by CharlesStross Creator/CharlesStross are *made* of this trope. The magic in this setting is based on mathematics and computer science -- Alan Turing invented the local {{Magitek}} -- and it reads like a cross between MIT's 6.001 and Abdul Alhazred.
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* ''Webcomic/AmongTheChosen'' has a ''lot'' of this with some military jargon and UsefulNotes/QuantumPhysics tossed in.
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* Earlier, in a scene in ''Blood of the Fold'', a character's MagiBabble is interrupted and it is explained (via more MagiBabble) that the character he's talking to already knew everything he was telling her.

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* ** Earlier, in a scene in ''Blood of the Fold'', a character's MagiBabble is interrupted and it is explained (via more MagiBabble) that the character he's talking to already knew everything he was telling her.
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* The ''HarryPotter'' books have a fair bit, especially ''DeathlyHallows''. In it, we learn that "food is the first of the five Principal Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration". When Ron repeats this tidbit later on, others are amazed by his SesquipedalianLoquaciousness.

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* The ''HarryPotter'' ''Literature/HarryPotter'' books have a fair bit, especially ''DeathlyHallows''.''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]''. In it, we learn that "food is the first of the five Principal Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration". When Ron repeats this tidbit later on, others are amazed by his SesquipedalianLoquaciousness.
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' frequently has MagiBabble, on the premise that "alchemy is a precise science, really!" The basic rules being that they can't create matter from nothing, but the energy source is unknown to most people. This is where the Philosopher's Stone comes in. It's essentially a free gift of ludicrous amounts of energy, which would be necessary to create matter from "scratch." Free, that is, in that [[spoiler:someone had already paid the terrible price in advance]]. It required [[spoiler:Father with Truth inside]] to even master ''nuclear fusion'', not to mention matter creation.

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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' frequently has MagiBabble, on the premise that "alchemy is a precise science, really!" The basic rules being that they can't create matter from nothing, but the energy source is unknown to most people. This is where the Philosopher's Stone comes in. It's essentially a free gift of ludicrous amounts of energy, which would be necessary to create matter from "scratch." Free, that is, in that [[spoiler:someone had already paid the terrible price in advance]]. It required [[spoiler:Father with Truth inside]] to even master ''nuclear fusion'', not to mention let alone matter creation.

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-->'''Ancotar''': You're about to quote Vanto's Third Law... don't worry! I have not actually found a way to violate the Conservation of Perception!

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-->'''Ancotar''': You're about to quote Vanto's Third Law... don't worry! I have not actually found a way to violate the Conservation of Perception! Perception!
** ''Liminal Bridges'' is an in-universe book which consists almost entirely of this. Funnily, if you look at the meanings behind the component words, most of it actually makes perfect sense.
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* Small example from Videogame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion, from a mage who has turned a whole village invisible:
-->'''Ancotar''': You're about to quote Vanto's Third Law... don't worry! I have not actually found a way to violate the Conservation of Perception!
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** Additionally, the Archive, a single human whose purpose is to be the physical containment of the entirety of humankind's body of written knowledge. This includes everything that has been written about the usage of magic. While a normal human with no inherit gifts, she is still probably the most adept magic caster on earth, knowledge that doubtlessly includes not only how to cast any spell, but how they work, and why they work.

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