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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron Metal dodecahedrons]] are commonly found in Roman sites from the 2nd to 4th centuries , but their function is unknown and they aren't found in either contemporary paintings or written sources.

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron Metal dodecahedrons]] are commonly found in Roman sites from the 2nd to 4th centuries , centuries, but their function is unknown and they aren't found in either contemporary paintings or written sources.
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* ''Series/TheShannaraChronicles'': Eretria scoffs at the idea Humans ever went to the moon, treating it as a myth.
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* Not entirely lost, per se, but Lieutenant Huxley in ''Film/DemolitionMan'' is delighted to have obtained a Music/RedHotChiliPeppers {=LP=} (rock music is forbidden in San Angeles) and picks Detective Spartan's brain for information about 20th-century society. The rest of her squad think she's a weirdo for being obsessed with the violent old days.

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* Not entirely lost, per se, but Lieutenant Huxley in ''Film/DemolitionMan'' is delighted to have obtained a Music/RedHotChiliPeppers {=LP=} LP (rock music is forbidden in San Angeles) and picks Detective Spartan's brain for information about 20th-century society. The rest of her squad think she's a weirdo for being obsessed with the violent old days.

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* In ''Film/TheDarkTower'' Roland and Jake visit some mysterious ruins from the past. Roland says no-one knows what they were. Jake: "It's a theme park."[[/folder]]

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* There is a early-2000s children's novel called ''Operation Timewarp'' in which five modern-day friends are selected for a LaResistance mission in early 22nd-century Britain. Once one of their close confidants finds out when they're actually from, he questions them about motor cars ("with pollution coming out of the back and people getting hit all over the place"), and "violent" sports (such as hockey and rugby).
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** Some version then follow up with a third person asking "What's "sorry"?"

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* ''Literature/ByTheWatersOfBabylon'': After a war had destroyed the US long ago, the future tribal humans no longer know much of how people lived then (they even think those once living were gods). John goes inside the former New York City, referring to "god roads" (probably paved ones) he traverses, and is unable to figure out how food they had is still in some cases edible through preservation, thinking they had magic containers. He eventually does realize they were not gods however, just humans, optimistic that through reading those books that are left behind eventually humanity can learn what they did and create it again.
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* How [[EenieMeenieMinyMoai moai]] were moved. A lot of theories were proposed, including AncientAstronauts, but experiments have revealed that these huge statues can be "walked" using ropes and the same leverage techniques commonly used to to move a heavy barrel. Rapa Nui oral history always said the statues walked but this was thought to be figurative until the technique was rediscovered.

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* How [[EenieMeenieMinyMoai moai]] were moved. A lot of theories were proposed, including AncientAstronauts, but experiments have revealed that these huge statues can be "walked" using ropes and the same leverage techniques commonly used to to move a heavy barrel. Rapa Nui oral history always said the statues walked but this was thought to be figurative until the technique was rediscovered.



* "GreekFire" (actually used by the Byzantines, who were Roman) is a fairly well-known incendiary substance that was used as a weapon. Its properties were recorded by contemporary writers, but not its formula. A number of possibilities have been put forward, and weapons with a similar effect are easy to make today, but the actual composition has been lost to history.

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* "GreekFire" (actually used by the Byzantines, who were Roman) Roman, but ruled over Greece and spoke Greek) is a fairly well-known incendiary substance that was used as a weapon. Its properties were recorded by contemporary writers, but not its formula. A number of possibilities have been put forward, and weapons with a similar effect are easy to make today, but the actual composition has been lost to history.
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''The Finders'', a short-lived [[ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse Donald Duck]] series. The series is set in a post-apocalyptic world where all the common knowledge of the present has been lost, with Donald and Fethry getting the task of finding the exact meaning of many things that survived in the ruins of Duckburg. The series features a tribe of humans known as the Mistersmiths, who are trying to rebuild the society on their own based on their interpretations of what they can find (for example, they believe that dog houses are just small replicas of actual houses and that stock phrases from old cop dramas are necessary to use when arresting someone).
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* The Spanish wrote that Mississippian culture archers in the southeastern U.S. could perforate two layers of chainmail and shoot down a galloping horse. Archaeologists have also found evidence that the Mississippians used to make wooden or leather armor in earlier periods but abandoned them by the late Middle Ages, which is consistent with an archery revolution making armor obsolete. Nevertheless, no Mississippian arrows or bows have survived, and the tree species in the area have woods too soft to accomplish this. It's been suggested that they hardened the wood with fire and used "cable-backed" bows similar to Inuit bows, but this is just hypothetical.

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* The Spanish wrote that Mississippian culture archers in the southeastern U.S. could perforate two layers of chainmail and shoot down a galloping horse. Archaeologists have also found evidence that the Mississippians used to make wooden or leather armor in earlier periods but abandoned them by the late Middle Ages, which is consistent with an archery revolution making armor obsolete. Nevertheless, no Mississippian arrows or bows have survived, and the tree species in the area have woods apparently too soft to accomplish this. It's been suggested that they hardened the wood with fire and used "cable-backed" bows similar to Inuit bows, but this is just hypothetical.

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* The purpose of bâtons de commandement ("rods of command") or pierced rods. Those are palaeolithic artefacts (12-23 thousand years old) made out of a 15-20 cm Y-shaped piece of a deer horn with 1 or more holes drilled. Originally though to be a purely ceremonial sign of an experienced warrior. Current hypotheses include: a tool to straighten arrows or spears (by passing them through the hole), a spear thrower (tested, proven to work), a symbol of fertility, a dress clasp, a calendar (most rods are decorated with patterns), and a leatherworker tool.

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* The purpose of bâtons ''bâtons de commandement commandement'' ("rods of command") or pierced rods. Those are palaeolithic artefacts (12-23 thousand years old) made out of a 15-20 cm Y-shaped piece of a deer horn with 1 or more holes drilled. Originally though to be a purely ceremonial sign of an experienced warrior. Current hypotheses include: a tool to straighten arrows or spears (by passing them through the hole), a spear thrower (tested, proven to work), a symbol of fertility, a dress clasp, a calendar (most rods are decorated with patterns), and a leatherworker tool.tool... and a dildo.


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* The idea that Roman emperors decided a gladiator's fate by pointing their thumb up to spare them and their thumb down to kill them is a modern convention created by classicist artists in the 19th century. Roman sources say that "a turned thumb" was used to communicate such thing, but don't say how the thumb was turned.
* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_dodecahedron Metal dodecahedrons]] are commonly found in Roman sites from the 2nd to 4th centuries , but their function is unknown and they aren't found in either contemporary paintings or written sources.
* Roland is the protagonist of the epic ''Literature/ChansonDeRoland'', written centuries after his death at the Battle of Roncesvaux, and the most famous of Charlemagne's knights as a result. The earliest source on the battle and only non-literary source on Roland, the early 9th century ''Vita Karoli Magni'' by Einhard, says that one "Hruodlandus" was killed - along with "Eggihard", "Anshelmus", and "many other knights" that Einhard didn't name because he considered them common knowledge.


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* The Spanish wrote that Mississippian culture archers in the southeastern U.S. could perforate two layers of chainmail and shoot down a galloping horse. Archaeologists have also found evidence that the Mississippians used to make wooden or leather armor in earlier periods but abandoned them by the late Middle Ages, which is consistent with an archery revolution making armor obsolete. Nevertheless, no Mississippian arrows or bows have survived, and the tree species in the area have woods too soft to accomplish this. It's been suggested that they hardened the wood with fire and used "cable-backed" bows similar to Inuit bows, but this is just hypothetical.
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*One device that defied explanation for a while turned out to be for sharpening thorns that were used as needles in early phonographs. [[/folder]]
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* [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] and PlayedForLaughs in ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}} and the Chieftain's Shield''. [[DatedHistory At the time the volume was first published]], in 1967, the exact location of Vercingetorix's capital and his last stand against Caesar, Alesia, [[RealitySubtext was not known]]. In the comic, Asterix and Obelix travel through Arvernia, the general region where Alesia was in, and the local Arverni, still sore for the defeat, angrily (but obviously falsely) claim to not know where Alesia is and refuse to discuss it any further. A note from the authors then claims that [[HistoricalInJoke this is the reason why]] the location of Alesia was eventually forgotten.

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* [[InvokedTrope Invoked]] and PlayedForLaughs in ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}} and the Chieftain's Shield''. [[DatedHistory At the time the volume was first published]], in 1967, the exact location of Vercingetorix's capital and his last stand against Caesar, Alesia, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alesia_(city) Alesia]], [[RealitySubtext was not known]]. still uncertain]].[[note]][[DownplayedTrope Archaeologists had guessed correctly as far back as the mid-19th century]], after finding evidence of a ''really'' big Roman seige encampment in a plausible location, but it wasn't until the 1990s that the ruins of the town itself were unearthed and the question was considered settled.[[/note]] In the comic, Asterix and Obelix travel through Arvernia, the general region where Alesia was in, and the local Arverni, still sore for the defeat, angrily (but obviously falsely) claim to not know where Alesia is and refuse to discuss it any further. A note from the authors then claims that [[HistoricalInJoke this is the reason why]] the location of Alesia was eventually forgotten.
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* The Novgorod birch bark manuscripts. Not only do they reveal a lot about the daily life of the people back then (starting with showing a level of literacy any scientist suggesting would have been mocked for a century ago), but their very nature was a complete surprise. It was believed no letter could survive there, because while the waterlogged soil of Novgorod is perfect for preserving organic material, no ink will withstand centuries in water. However, once they dug up the first manuscripts, it turned out they were all ''carved'' on the birch bark with bone or metal stilos (which were a case of the trope themselves; for decades, archeologists mistook them for nails or awls) and are preserved perfectly. Only a bare handful out of the hundreds are written in ink, and reading these indeed proved hard even with the most modern methods.
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* The page quote is from ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' which takes place in a world where the last remnants of humanity are holed up in a walled off territory about the size of Texas, hiding in fear of the people-eating giants that have overrun the world. Information about the outside world is not only scarce -- it's ''forbidden'' by the government, and Eren mentions that the book Armin is reading from is illegal to own.

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* The page quote is from ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'' Happens in ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'', which takes place in a world where the last remnants of humanity are holed up in a walled off territory about the size of Texas, hiding in fear of the people-eating giants that have overrun the world. Information about the outside world is not only scarce -- it's ''forbidden'' by the government, and Eren mentions that the book Armin is reading from is illegal to own.
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* ''Fanfic/FFSIBelieveInYou'': A large part of the difficulty the heroes face in brewing the magic potion is that its recipe was written shortly after the events of ''Oracle of Ages'', many thousands of years before ''Breath of the Wild'', and thus uses names that have long since fallen out of common use and refers to things that most people have become entirely unfamiliar with. Likewise, when Link is looking through old bestiaries in Gerudo Town, most of the creatures are enemies that were very common in earlier eras but which, having since died out or migrated away, he doesn't even recognize.

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* ''Fanfic/FFSIBelieveInYou'': A In the sequel, a large part of the difficulty the heroes face in brewing the magic potion is that its recipe was written shortly after the events of ''Oracle of Ages'', many thousands of years before ''Breath of the Wild'', and thus uses names that have long since fallen out of common use and refers to things that most people have become entirely unfamiliar with. Likewise, when Link is looking through old bestiaries in Gerudo Town, most of the creatures are enemies that were very common in earlier eras but which, having since died out or migrated away, he doesn't even recognize.

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* Due to the healing effects of The Zone in ''Fanfic/DeathNeedNotApply'', children who grew up there have little knowledge of things like death, disfigurement, or permanent injury. Izuku unthinkingly asks Shinso about the strange pattern on his skin, not knowing the "pattern" is numerous burn scars.

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* ''Fanfic/DeathNeedNotApply'': Due to the healing effects of The Zone in ''Fanfic/DeathNeedNotApply'', the Zone, children who grew up there have little knowledge of things like death, disfigurement, or permanent injury. Izuku unthinkingly asks Shinso about the strange pattern on his skin, not knowing the "pattern" is numerous burn scars.scars.
* ''Fanfic/FFSIBelieveInYou'': A large part of the difficulty the heroes face in brewing the magic potion is that its recipe was written shortly after the events of ''Oracle of Ages'', many thousands of years before ''Breath of the Wild'', and thus uses names that have long since fallen out of common use and refers to things that most people have become entirely unfamiliar with. Likewise, when Link is looking through old bestiaries in Gerudo Town, most of the creatures are enemies that were very common in earlier eras but which, having since died out or migrated away, he doesn't even recognize.
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* ''Machinima/LogansTale'': At one point while exploring the wasteland, Logan comes across a children's playground, and has no idea what he's looking at.
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* As many historians and archaeologists can confirm, this trope is ''very much'' TruthInTelevision. There's a lot we don't know about everyday life and technologies of the past, and what little we can estimate is in large part due to experimental archaeology. This is because, through much of history, people thought that only "important stuff" should be written down, like scholarly works, famous literature, religious texts, and government documents. No one would spend a scribe's value time writing down something everyone and their mother could recite off of memory. It was only around the time of UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance that people realized the error in this, which is why the first article in the first encyclopedia was about ''bread'', of all things.

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* As many historians and archaeologists can confirm, this trope is ''very much'' TruthInTelevision. There's a lot we don't know about everyday life and technologies of the past, and much of what little we can estimate is in large part due to do know comes from experimental archaeology.archaeology, not primary sources. This is because, through much of history, people thought that only "important stuff" should be written down, like scholarly works, famous literature, religious texts, and government documents. No one would spend a scribe's value time writing down something everyone and their mother could recite off of memory. There was also an element of elitism in this: scholars, the upper crust of society, though themselves above studying and documenting the knowledge of the unwashed masses. It was only around the time of UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance that people realized we began to realize the error in this, which is why the first article in the first encyclopedia was about ''bread'', of all things.
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* As many historians and archaeologists can confirm, there's a lot we don't know about everyday life and technologies of the past. Usually we have something better, but obsolete crafts still interest scientists. This is what experimental archaeology is about.

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* As many historians and archaeologists can confirm, there's this trope is ''very much'' TruthInTelevision. There's a lot we don't know about everyday life and technologies of the past. Usually we have something better, but obsolete crafts still interest scientists. This is past, and what little we can estimate is in large part due to experimental archaeology archaeology. This is about.because, through much of history, people thought that only "important stuff" should be written down, like scholarly works, famous literature, religious texts, and government documents. No one would spend a scribe's value time writing down something everyone and their mother could recite off of memory. It was only around the time of UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance that people realized the error in this, which is why the first article in the first encyclopedia was about ''bread'', of all things.
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** President [[UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt Franklin D.]] [[Music/BonJovi Bon Jovi]], who was involved in UsefulNotes/{{WWI}}.

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* In ''Literature/TheStarsMyDestination'', the protagonist initially can't get rid of the hideous tiger facial tattoo he got at the hands of a CargoCult because in the future tattooing became a lost art. He does manage to get it removed eventually but even that process is flawed since the tattoo reappears whenever he gets angry.
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Compare FutureImperfect, where the knowledge is still there but has been misinterpreted over the years. Compare to AliensNeverInventedTheWheel, which is where aliens don't have something common with humans. Not to be confused with CommonKnowledge.

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Compare FutureImperfect, where the knowledge is still there but has been misinterpreted over the years. Compare to AliensNeverInventedTheWheel, which is where aliens don't have (however advanced) never developed something common with humans.that humans consider incredibly basic. Not to be confused with CommonKnowledge.
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** When [[BigBad Carnegie]] holds a gun on Solara outside the wreckage of the old couple's house, Eli reveals that he hid the Bible behind their TV. When Carnegie orders one of his young henchmen (born after the nuclear war) to check the TV, he replies with a blank look and a puzzled, "The what?" Carnegie rages, "You're ''[[PrecisionFStrike fuckin' SHITTIN' me]]''!" before telling [[TheDragon Redridge]] (who is old enough to know what a TV is) to check it.

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** When [[BigBad Carnegie]] holds a gun on Solara outside the wreckage of the old couple's house, Eli reveals that he hid the Bible behind their TV. When Carnegie orders one of his young henchmen (born after the nuclear war) to check the TV, he replies with a blank look and a puzzled, "The what?" Carnegie rages, "You're ''[[PrecisionFStrike ''[[AtomicFBomb fuckin' SHITTIN' me]]''!" before telling [[TheDragon Redridge]] (who is old enough to know what a TV is) to check it.



* In the world of ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'' this is demonstrated when Nux, one of Immortal Joe's [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy War Boys]] whose entire short lives are dedicated to fighting and dying gloriously for their master, doesn't know what a tree is and refers to it as "that thing" until someone else provides the word. In context it's quite [[TearJerker sad]].

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* In the world of ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'' this is demonstrated when Nux, one of Immortal Immortan Joe's [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy War Boys]] whose entire short lives are dedicated to fighting and dying gloriously for their master, doesn't know what a tree is and refers to it as "that thing" until someone else provides the word. In context it's quite [[TearJerker sad]].
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* Little is known about the Philistines outside of what the Bible says about them due to the fact that, for reasons unknown, they left no written record of their history and culture nor did any of their neighboring countries make a detailed account of their society.

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* Little is known about The Old Testament makes mention that the Philistines outside of what the Bible says about them due to the fact that, for reasons unknown, they left no written record of had books detailing their religious beliefs and that their culture and history and culture nor did any of their neighboring countries make a were well known at the time. However, no detailed account of their society.the Philistines, either written by themselves or another country, has survived into the modern age, with the Bible being the main source of information we have about them.

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* The Pythia, better known as the Oracle of Delphi, was the high priestess of the Temple of Apollo, the most authoritative oracle in Ancient Greece and unarguably the most powerful position a woman could achieve in the classical era. However, despite the Pythia being one of the most well documented religious institutions of the ancient world, the Oracle's actual duties, rituals and how they were selected for the position were never recorded since authors at the time felt little need to explain such universally known facts.

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* The Pythia, better known as the Oracle of Delphi, was the high priestess of the Temple of Apollo, the most authoritative oracle in Ancient Greece and unarguably the most powerful position a woman could achieve in the classical era. However, despite the Pythia being one of the most well documented religious institutions of the ancient world, the Oracle's actual duties, rituals and how they were selected for the position were never recorded since authors at the time felt little need to explain such universally known facts.
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* Due to the healing effects of The Zone in ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/16796746/chapters/39424258 Death Need Not Apply]]'', children who grew up there have little knowledge of things like death, disfigurement, or permanent injury. Izuku unthinkingly asks Shinso about the strange pattern on his skin, not knowing the "pattern" is numerous burn scars.

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* Due to the healing effects of The Zone in ''[[https://archiveofourown.org/works/16796746/chapters/39424258 Death Need Not Apply]]'', ''Fanfic/DeathNeedNotApply'', children who grew up there have little knowledge of things like death, disfigurement, or permanent injury. Izuku unthinkingly asks Shinso about the strange pattern on his skin, not knowing the "pattern" is numerous burn scars.
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* ''VideoGame/HalfLifeAlyx'' establishes that younger generations born following [[AlienInvasion the Combine takeover of Earth]] have [[FutureImperfect a pretty poor understanding of what life was like before the Seven Hour War]]. Russell has to explain the concept of livestock to Alyx before he can even begin to explain what a club sandwich is, and later has to do something similar with basic business ideas like the stock market. Alyx also [[PopCulturalOsmosisFailure understands few to none of the pop culture references]] made by older characters; Larry bringing up Mozart gets nothing but a confused "Who?" from her.
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* In ''[[Anime/RebuildOfEvangelion Evangelion 2.22]]'', Shinji and his friends' visit to an aquarium of cloned marine life demonstrates how little they know of what the ocean was like before Second Impact rendered it nearly lifeless. Kensuke correctly identifies a sea turtle, but isn't sure of himself, while Shinji is initially confused by the briny smell because most of the ocean no longer features enough decaying plankton to create the scent.

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