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Sometimes a valid complaint -- fans might call foul when a previously creative artist starts PanderingToTheBase or watering down their work to appeal to the LowestCommonDenominator. Fame can also have a bad effect on the artist's attitude -- if they don't become a [[SmallNameBigEgo complete egomaniac]] who [[DearNegativeReader treats fans like dirt]] and [[AcquiredSituationalNarcissism turns their back on the scene they became famous in]] [[InWithTheInCrowd for a newer, more famous crowd]], they might become [[ArtistDisillusionment disillusioned by fame.]] Or they could [[ExtremeDoormat try to tie themselves in knots to please the UnpleaseableFanbase in such a way that they forefit any residual respect from the fanbase.]] On a practical level, more popular live shows may require bigger, less intimate venues -- shows known for energy and spontaneity may move towards a heavily produced and choreographed live show. Low budget works known for cheesy effects and bizarre plots might switch to a slicker, more commercial style and "safer" plots, while EnsembleDarkhorse characters may be excessively milked and/or {{Flanderized}} into shallow parodies of themselves -- see also TheyChangedItNowItSucks.

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Sometimes a valid complaint -- fans might call foul when a previously creative artist starts PanderingToTheBase or watering down their work to appeal to the LowestCommonDenominator. Fame can also have a bad effect on the artist's attitude -- if they don't become a [[SmallNameBigEgo complete egomaniac]] who [[DearNegativeReader treats fans like dirt]] and [[AcquiredSituationalNarcissism turns their back on the scene they became famous in]] [[InWithTheInCrowd for a newer, more famous crowd]], they might become [[ArtistDisillusionment disillusioned by fame.]] Or they could [[ExtremeDoormat try to tie themselves in knots to please the UnpleaseableFanbase the]] UnpleasableFanbase [[ExtremeDoormat in such a way that they forefit any residual respect from the fanbase.]] On a practical level, more popular live shows may require bigger, less intimate venues -- shows known for energy and spontaneity may move towards a heavily produced and choreographed live show. Low budget works known for cheesy effects and bizarre plots might switch to a slicker, more commercial style and "safer" plots, while EnsembleDarkhorse characters may be excessively milked and/or {{Flanderized}} into shallow parodies of themselves -- see also TheyChangedItNowItSucks.
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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' takes MagicalGirl shows and adds a toxic dose of DarkerAndEdgier. It's also animated by Creator/StudioShaft. Its popularity exploded even while it originally ran in 2011 and only more so after it came out "shafted" on UsefulNotes/BluRay and got story expansions in the form of manga, [=CDs=], and movies - only to create a massive {{Hatedom}} that exists on near-exclusively this trope here. The general debate about the anime usually dealt with its overall style, with fans classifying it as a {{Deconstruction}} and basically everyone else suggesting otherwise.

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* ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' takes MagicalGirl shows and adds a toxic dose of DarkerAndEdgier. It's also animated by Creator/StudioShaft. Its popularity exploded even while it originally ran in 2011 and only more so after it came out "shafted" on UsefulNotes/BluRay Platform/BluRay and got story expansions in the form of manga, [=CDs=], and movies - only to create a massive {{Hatedom}} that exists on near-exclusively this trope here. The general debate about the anime usually dealt with its overall style, with fans classifying it as a {{Deconstruction}} and basically everyone else suggesting otherwise.



** ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'' at first actually got a decent amount of public and critical acclaim. The backlash set in both after it was clear it was going to make hundreds of millions, becoming the highest-grossing film of all time until ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' came out, and the loads of [[UsefulNotes/AcademyAward Oscar nominations and wins]] it got. At the same time, it was subject to HypeBacklash by people who consider the film flash over substance; a series of well-done set pieces offset by cardboard cutout characters.
** When ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' came out, it had a skyrocket of public acclaim and defining the standard of the UsefulNotes/ThreeDMovie, with many proclaiming 'Oh man, Avatar was awesome!', only for about a few months later when it became the highest-grossing film of all time, a huge hatedom came out and proclaimed it as one of the worst films of all time while quite a few of its fandom changed their mind and stated 'Yeah, it's just ''WesternAnimation/{{Pocahontas}}'' [[RecycledInSpace in space]]'. Conversely, ''Film/TheHurtLocker''; which was directed by Cameron's ex-wife Kathryn Bigelow, was LeftForDead as a box office flop until somehow, it came out of nowhere around awards time to huge critical acclaim, with many proclaiming, '''Avatar'' is Lame. This is Best Picture right here'. Its momentum would be enough to upset and punch out ''Avatar'' at the Oscars and the [=BAFTAs=], including the Best Picture award for both (and making it the lowest-grossing film of all time to win Best Picture), leaving ''Avatar'' to only beat ''Hurt Locker'' in the Golden Globes. For extra irony, in the wake of Avatar becoming the new highest grossing movie, it actually started to become trendy to ''like'' Titanic again. The one thing ''everyone'' agrees on with ''Avatar'' though - [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome the visuals are incredible]].

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** ''Film/{{Titanic 1997}}'' at first actually got a decent amount of public and critical acclaim. The backlash set in both after it was clear it was going to make hundreds of millions, becoming the highest-grossing film of all time until ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' came out, and the loads of [[UsefulNotes/AcademyAward [[MediaNotes/AcademyAward Oscar nominations and wins]] it got. At the same time, it was subject to HypeBacklash by people who consider the film flash over substance; a series of well-done set pieces offset by cardboard cutout characters.
** When ''Film/{{Avatar}}'' came out, it had a skyrocket of public acclaim and defining the standard of the UsefulNotes/ThreeDMovie, Platform/ThreeDMovie, with many proclaiming 'Oh man, Avatar was awesome!', only for about a few months later when it became the highest-grossing film of all time, a huge hatedom came out and proclaimed it as one of the worst films of all time while quite a few of its fandom changed their mind and stated 'Yeah, it's just ''WesternAnimation/{{Pocahontas}}'' [[RecycledInSpace in space]]'. Conversely, ''Film/TheHurtLocker''; which was directed by Cameron's ex-wife Kathryn Bigelow, was LeftForDead as a box office flop until somehow, it came out of nowhere around awards time to huge critical acclaim, with many proclaiming, '''Avatar'' is Lame. This is Best Picture right here'. Its momentum would be enough to upset and punch out ''Avatar'' at the Oscars and the [=BAFTAs=], including the Best Picture award for both (and making it the lowest-grossing film of all time to win Best Picture), leaving ''Avatar'' to only beat ''Hurt Locker'' in the Golden Globes. For extra irony, in the wake of Avatar becoming the new highest grossing movie, it actually started to become trendy to ''like'' Titanic again. The one thing ''everyone'' agrees on with ''Avatar'' though - [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome the visuals are incredible]].



* ''Franchise/StarWars'', despite being mostly an aversion when it first released, has suffered through this, especially when the prequels came out and Creator/GeorgeLucas had his reputation take a nosedive. Some film snobs have gone as far as blaming the popularity of ''Star Wars'' for killing off the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood era as the franchise's success convinced studio executives to bankroll movies based on their ability to generate money through sequels and merchandising. And now that ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' is one of the top-grossing films for the year (adjusted for inflation, only the 1977 film in the series has made more), combined with Disney having thrown away the rich history a la "de-canonized" the old EU, it's worse.

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* ''Franchise/StarWars'', despite being mostly an aversion when it first released, has suffered through this, especially when the prequels came out and Creator/GeorgeLucas had his reputation take a nosedive. Some film snobs have gone as far as blaming the popularity of ''Star Wars'' for killing off the UsefulNotes/NewHollywood MediaNotes/NewHollywood era as the franchise's success convinced studio executives to bankroll movies based on their ability to generate money through sequels and merchandising. And now that ''Film/TheForceAwakens'' is one of the top-grossing films for the year (adjusted for inflation, only the 1977 film in the series has made more), combined with Disney having thrown away the rich history a la "de-canonized" the old EU, it's worse.



* Platform/MicrosoftWindows became an Internet [[TheAntiChrist Antichrist]] when it clearly dominated the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars. Conversely, Platform/MacOS did the reverse and became an Internet darling when it became the apparent underdog. Recently though, Mac has rebounded in popularity with the help of the iPod and may have picked up this trope as well but Apple hate is nothing compared to Microsoft hate. Don't dare to criticize any of its competitors or even point out their flaws: on a forum can bring the suspects that you're paid by Micro$oft to bash other [=OSes=], while others are so good [[DoubleStandard they would never do it]].
* Speaking of Apple, Apple Inc itself has become this. While still an underdog in the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars, the company has recently diversified beyond home computing, its dominance of the portable music player market and the downloadable music market (with the iPod and iTunes respectively), along with the success of iPhone, has made the company highly profitable even though it doesn't retain the share of the PC market it enjoyed in its computer-heyday. It has even overtaken long-time competitor Microsoft's share value ''and'' net worth. However, Apple's increased presence in these new markets and among ordinary people becoming Apple users (not to mention the late Steve Jobs' sporadic rants about competing products or Apple's heavy-handed tendency to enforce litigation against anyone who leaked details of unreleased or rumored products) have invoked this trope, where long-time fanboys are upset that the company is no longer part of the counter-culture they aspire to. The shift from its previous "Think different" campaign to the present somewhat-elitist TakeThat and StrawmanProduct advertising as well, not to mention that Apple seems to get away with [[DoubleStandard anything bad they do]] unlike Microsoft, and its [[FanDumb often snobbish user base]] also contributes towards this.\\

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* Platform/MicrosoftWindows became an Internet [[TheAntiChrist Antichrist]] when it clearly dominated the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars.MediaNotes/ComputerWars. Conversely, Platform/MacOS did the reverse and became an Internet darling when it became the apparent underdog. Recently though, Mac has rebounded in popularity with the help of the iPod and may have picked up this trope as well but Apple hate is nothing compared to Microsoft hate. Don't dare to criticize any of its competitors or even point out their flaws: on a forum can bring the suspects that you're paid by Micro$oft to bash other [=OSes=], while others are so good [[DoubleStandard they would never do it]].
* Speaking of Apple, Apple Inc itself has become this. While still an underdog in the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars, MediaNotes/ComputerWars, the company has recently diversified beyond home computing, its dominance of the portable music player market and the downloadable music market (with the iPod and iTunes respectively), along with the success of iPhone, has made the company highly profitable even though it doesn't retain the share of the PC market it enjoyed in its computer-heyday. It has even overtaken long-time competitor Microsoft's share value ''and'' net worth. However, Apple's increased presence in these new markets and among ordinary people becoming Apple users (not to mention the late Steve Jobs' sporadic rants about competing products or Apple's heavy-handed tendency to enforce litigation against anyone who leaked details of unreleased or rumored products) have invoked this trope, where long-time fanboys are upset that the company is no longer part of the counter-culture they aspire to. The shift from its previous "Think different" campaign to the present somewhat-elitist TakeThat and StrawmanProduct advertising as well, not to mention that Apple seems to get away with [[DoubleStandard anything bad they do]] unlike Microsoft, and its [[FanDumb often snobbish user base]] also contributes towards this.\\



Some say that this may mark the end of "''Microsoft's empire''" and are calling Apple "''the new Microsoft''", but there's little sign that Microsoft is becoming "''Unpopular, now it Rocks''" considering that Microsoft is still dominating in the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars.

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Some say that this may mark the end of "''Microsoft's empire''" and are calling Apple "''the new Microsoft''", but there's little sign that Microsoft is becoming "''Unpopular, now it Rocks''" considering that Microsoft is still dominating in the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars.MediaNotes/ComputerWars.



** Some fans were not too pleased when the ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'' franchise was introduced and turned out to be a hit. Possibly aided by the recent changes of ''Modern Warfare 2'' including the lack of [[UsefulNotes/PCVsConsole dedicated servers in the PC version]], the DownloadableContent, and most importantly; the ExecutiveMeddling between Creator/{{Activision}} and Infinity Ward, leading to many of Infinity Ward's crew defecting to Creator/ElectronicArts. Go to a gaming forum (especially one with a lot of PC users) and ask them what the best entry in the series is. Chances are, the answer will be United Offensive or ''Call of Duty 2''. Woe be it to the poor newbie that actually likes the newer games.

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** Some fans were not too pleased when the ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'' franchise was introduced and turned out to be a hit. Possibly aided by the recent changes of ''Modern Warfare 2'' including the lack of [[UsefulNotes/PCVsConsole [[MediaNotes/PCVsConsole dedicated servers in the PC version]], the DownloadableContent, and most importantly; the ExecutiveMeddling between Creator/{{Activision}} and Infinity Ward, leading to many of Infinity Ward's crew defecting to Creator/ElectronicArts. Go to a gaming forum (especially one with a lot of PC users) and ask them what the best entry in the series is. Chances are, the answer will be United Offensive or ''Call of Duty 2''. Woe be it to the poor newbie that actually likes the newer games.



* The ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' series has gotten popular enough to be alongside ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' as one of the "[[KillerApp faces]]" of the Xbox platform. Nevertheless, fans of previous Creator/EpicGames titles and UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars debaters don't really seem too pleased.

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* The ''VideoGame/GearsOfWar'' series has gotten popular enough to be alongside ''Franchise/{{Halo}}'' as one of the "[[KillerApp faces]]" of the Xbox platform. Nevertheless, fans of previous Creator/EpicGames titles and UsefulNotes/ConsoleWars MediaNotes/ConsoleWars debaters don't really seem too pleased.

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* Certain parts of the ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' fandom, over the year or so before the release of [[Film/{{Transformers}} the 2007 live-action movie]], preemptively expressed the sentiment that "It's going to be popular! That sucks!" Everyone else was rather confused. It becomes very silly when people accuse ''Transformers'', a franchise that was created specifically [[MerchandiseDriven to sell toys]], of selling out. \\

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* Certain parts of the ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' fandom, over the year or so before the release of [[Film/{{Transformers}} [[Film/Transformers2007 the 2007 live-action movie]], preemptively expressed the sentiment that "It's going to be popular! That sucks!" Everyone else was rather confused. It becomes very silly when people accuse ''Transformers'', a franchise that was created specifically [[MerchandiseDriven to sell toys]], of selling out. \\



** For some fans, including "What I've Done" and "New Divide" were featured in the Michael Bay-directed ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movies is what sold the band out. This is an especially bad instance of this phenomenon because Linkin Park was plenty popular ''before'' that happened, with ''Music/HybridTheory'' and ''Music/{{Meteora}}'' having achieved widespread success, [[FridgeLogic yet this trope was not in force for those albums.]] For other fans, it was the fact that Creator/StephenieMeyer included "Leave Out All the Rest" to the soundtrack of [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga one of her movies]], which led to Twilight Fans entering the already divided fanbase and caused a new divide.

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** For some fans, including "What I've Done" and "New Divide" were featured in the Michael Bay-directed ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' ''Film/{{Transformers|FilmSeries}}'' movies is what sold the band out. This is an especially bad instance of this phenomenon because Linkin Park was plenty popular ''before'' that happened, with ''Music/HybridTheory'' and ''Music/{{Meteora}}'' having achieved widespread success, [[FridgeLogic yet this trope was not in force for those albums.]] For other fans, it was the fact that Creator/StephenieMeyer included "Leave Out All the Rest" to the soundtrack of [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga one of her movies]], which led to Twilight Fans entering the already divided fanbase and caused a new divide.
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* ''Webcomic/{{Boyfriends}}'': This seems to be at least part of what sparked the comic's infamy. It was received positively at best and with indifference at worst when it was first posted on Webtoon. After it became a proper featured series and got animated promos, people left and right accused it of sexualizing gay men and being "unrealistic" in its portrayal of relationships.
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** For some fans, including "What I've Done" and "New Divide" were featured in the Michael Bay-directed ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movies is what sold the band out. This is an especially bad instance of this phenomenon because Linkin Park was plenty popular ''before'' that happened, with ''Hybrid Theory'' and ''Meteora'' having achieved widespread success, [[FridgeLogic yet this trope was not in force for those albums.]] For other fans, it was the fact that Creator/StephenieMeyer included "Leave Out All the Rest" to the soundtrack of [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga one of her movies]], which led to Twilight Fans entering the already divided fanbase and caused a new divide.

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** For some fans, including "What I've Done" and "New Divide" were featured in the Michael Bay-directed ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movies is what sold the band out. This is an especially bad instance of this phenomenon because Linkin Park was plenty popular ''before'' that happened, with ''Hybrid Theory'' ''Music/HybridTheory'' and ''Meteora'' ''Music/{{Meteora}}'' having achieved widespread success, [[FridgeLogic yet this trope was not in force for those albums.]] For other fans, it was the fact that Creator/StephenieMeyer included "Leave Out All the Rest" to the soundtrack of [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga one of her movies]], which led to Twilight Fans entering the already divided fanbase and caused a new divide.



* Music/{{Muse}} has suffered a lot of this since the release of ''Black Holes And Revelations'', and to a lesser extent since ''Absolution''. Muse were considered very cool when they were indie artists on their first two albums, ''Showbiz'' and ''Origin Of Symmetry'', and reached their peak when they hit the mainstream with ''Absolution''. By the time ''Black Holes'' came out, it was considered a disappointment because the singles released from it were pop songs rather than rock. This happens a lot, in fact, if an album is represented by the songs which are atypical for the album itself. Ever since "Supermassive Black Hole" was featured in the first ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' film, you can't go to a Muse video on Website/YouTube without fanboys shrieking about ''Twilight'' fans liking Muse due to said song in movie. Sad, because while ''Twilight'' is a polarizing series, almost everyone likes Muse.

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* Music/{{Muse}} has suffered a lot of this since the release of ''Black Holes And Revelations'', ''Music/BlackHolesAndRevelations'', and to a lesser extent since ''Absolution''. ''Music/{{Absolution|Album}}''. Muse were considered very cool when they were indie artists on their first two albums, ''Showbiz'' ''Music/{{Showbiz}}'' and ''Origin Of Symmetry'', ''Music/OriginOfSymmetry'', and reached their peak when they hit the mainstream with ''Absolution''. By the time ''Black Holes'' came out, it was considered a disappointment because the singles released from it were pop songs rather than rock. This happens a lot, in fact, if an album is represented by the songs which are atypical for the album itself. Ever since "Supermassive Black Hole" was featured in the first ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' film, you can't go to a Muse video on Website/YouTube without fanboys shrieking about ''Twilight'' fans liking Muse due to said song in movie. Sad, because while ''Twilight'' is a polarizing series, almost everyone likes Muse.
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* Music/{{Nickelback}}. For a band with such a vocal Hatedom, and that so [[GuiltyPleasures few people claim to like publicly]], you'd think they'd get less airplay and make less money. A lot of their hatedom from {{grunge}} fans stems solely from the fact that the band can fill stadiums and arenas. [[http://www.bustedtees.com/blamecanadafornickelback Blame]] [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Canada]] for Nickelback, [[CanadaEh eh]]?

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* Music/{{Nickelback}}. For a band with such a vocal Hatedom, and that so [[GuiltyPleasures few people claim to like publicly]], you'd think they'd get less airplay and make less money. A lot of their hatedom from {{grunge}} fans stems solely from the fact that the band can fill stadiums and arenas. [[http://www.bustedtees.com/blamecanadafornickelback Blame]] [[WesternAnimation/SouthPark Canada]] for Nickelback, [[CanadaEh [[MooseAndMapleSyrup eh]]?
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* Although not exactly a fandom, many followers of various conspiracy theories seem to subscribe to this mindset; many seem to reject the official record not because they sincerely believe it's wrong and want to know the truth, but simply ''because'' it's the official record and has been widely accepted. These 'theorists' then cling to the alternative theories because accepting them makes them feel smarter than the 'sheeple' who accept the official record ("I'm smart enough to see The Truth and you're not!"). This can have interesting results in cases where the official 'lies' are actually more accurate and / or make more sense than the alternative theory, or the alternative theory is patently flawed and nonsensical. Although actual examples are numerous (and far too bitterly contested to be discussed in detail here), many of the alternative theories around 9/11 appear to have attracted these types. And woe betide a conspiracy theory that has been proven to be partially or even fully right. The numbers of people who will either jump back to the original"truth" or create a new conspiracy theory is often astronomical. The controversy between Mendelism and Larmarckism in genetics is a massive case in point.

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* Although not exactly a fandom, many followers of various conspiracy theories seem to subscribe to this mindset; many seem to reject the official record not because they sincerely believe it's wrong and want to know the truth, but simply ''because'' it's the official record and has been widely accepted. These 'theorists' then cling to the alternative theories because accepting them makes them feel smarter than the 'sheeple' who accept the official record ("I'm smart enough to see The Truth and you're not!"). This can have interesting results in cases where the official 'lies' are actually more accurate and / or make more sense than the alternative theory, or the alternative theory is patently flawed and nonsensical. Although actual examples are numerous (and far too bitterly contested to be discussed in detail here), many of the alternative theories around 9/11 appear to have attracted these types. And woe betide a conspiracy theory that has been proven to be partially or even fully right. The numbers of people who will either jump back to the original"truth" original "truth" or create a new conspiracy theory is often astronomical. The controversy between Mendelism and Larmarckism in genetics is a massive case in point.

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* ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' got hit with this because of its strong resemblance to the [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] "Kelvin Timeline" ''Film/StarTrek2009'' films (see the Film folder above for that whole situation), leading to opinions that it was better before; because the series is set a few years prior to ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', many expected/hoped for [[{{Retraux}} a similar aesthetic and overall feel]], only to take [[CosmeticallyAdvancedPrequel the more modern look and attitude]] as a sign that the series would just be a giant {{Retcon}} that would throw out existing canon in favor of pandering to the LowestCommonDenominator and [[NewbieBoom newbies brought in by the Kelvin films]]. Which it is.

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* ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' got hit with this because of its strong resemblance to the [[BrokenBase base-breaking]] "Kelvin Timeline" ''Film/StarTrek2009'' films (see the Film folder above for that whole situation), leading to opinions that it was better before; because the series is set a few years prior to ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', many expected/hoped for [[{{Retraux}} a similar aesthetic and overall feel]], only to take [[CosmeticallyAdvancedPrequel the more modern look and attitude]] as a sign that the series would just be a giant {{Retcon}} that would throw out existing canon in favor of pandering to the LowestCommonDenominator and [[NewbieBoom newbies brought in by the Kelvin films]]. Which it is.
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* Music/BillyJoel was practically a poster boy for this, particularly during his most visible era. For much of TheSeventies, Joel was a one-hit wonder known primarily for "Piano Man", though he still garnered a decent following and a solid reputation among music critics. The commercial success aspect would skyrocket following ''Music/TheStrangerAlbum'', where he pursued a more profitable sound through Phil Ramone at the risk of being dropped by his label, which just so happened to sell monstrously and be released in the year of the punk invasion. But the trope itself did not hit until after ''Music/GlassHouses'', when hit after hit had transformed Joel into a pop culture punching bag among anyone looking to be seen as "cool", in time culminating with his marriage to Christie Brinkley and the novelty hit "We Didn't Start the Fire", which by TheNineties earned him an almost pariah status within the hipster circle. Though the idea of Joel as a {{Yuppie}} sellout has continued to taint his image for a lot of listeners, it's largely died down by the UsefulNotes/TheNewTens as he continues to play packed arenas and [[PopularityPolynomial discovers newfound fans among younger people through their own pop culture and who value the]] [[RockIsAuthenticPopIsShallow rock vs pop dichotomy]] [[PopularityPolynomial far less than their parents did.]]

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* Music/BillyJoel was practically a poster boy for this, particularly during his most visible era. For much of TheSeventies, Joel was a one-hit wonder known primarily for "Piano Man", though he still garnered a decent following and a solid reputation among music critics. The commercial success aspect would skyrocket following ''Music/TheStrangerAlbum'', where he pursued a more profitable sound through Phil Ramone at the risk of being dropped by his label, which just so happened to sell monstrously and be released in the year of the punk invasion. But the trope itself did not hit until after ''Music/GlassHouses'', when hit after hit had transformed Joel into a pop culture punching bag among anyone looking to be seen as "cool", in time culminating with his marriage to Christie Brinkley and the novelty hit "We Didn't Start the Fire", which by TheNineties earned him an almost pariah status within the hipster circle. Though the idea of Joel as a {{Yuppie}} sellout has continued to taint his image for a lot of listeners, it's largely died down by the UsefulNotes/TheNewTens UsefulNotes/TheNew10s as he continues to play packed arenas and [[PopularityPolynomial discovers newfound fans among younger people through their own pop culture and who value the]] [[RockIsAuthenticPopIsShallow rock vs pop dichotomy]] [[PopularityPolynomial far less than their parents did.]]



* UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows became an Internet [[TheAntiChrist Antichrist]] when it clearly dominated the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars. Conversely, UsefulNotes/MacOS did the reverse and became an Internet darling when it became the apparent underdog. Recently though, Mac has rebounded in popularity with the help of the iPod and may have picked up this trope as well but Apple hate is nothing compared to Microsoft hate. Don't dare to criticize any of its competitors or even point out their flaws: on a forum can bring the suspects that you're paid by Micro$oft to bash other [=OSes=], while others are so good [[DoubleStandard they would never do it]].

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* UsefulNotes/MicrosoftWindows Platform/MicrosoftWindows became an Internet [[TheAntiChrist Antichrist]] when it clearly dominated the UsefulNotes/ComputerWars. Conversely, UsefulNotes/MacOS Platform/MacOS did the reverse and became an Internet darling when it became the apparent underdog. Recently though, Mac has rebounded in popularity with the help of the iPod and may have picked up this trope as well but Apple hate is nothing compared to Microsoft hate. Don't dare to criticize any of its competitors or even point out their flaws: on a forum can bring the suspects that you're paid by Micro$oft to bash other [=OSes=], while others are so good [[DoubleStandard they would never do it]].



* ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', now that Mojang has received interviews in gaming magazines and been plugged on various ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' blogs, people are calling the demise of the game. The cries of "Mojang is a sellout!" became even more common among fans once they announced ''Minecraft'' would come to the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch, which happened because of the game's huge success. Thus, the game was later affiliated with Nintendo, right down to having official representation in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate''. It was received as well as you would imagine. It doesn't help that ''Minecraft'' is the best-selling media property of all time (though it's not the most profitable media property of all time).

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* ''VideoGame/{{Minecraft}}'', now that Mojang has received interviews in gaming magazines and been plugged on various ''Franchise/SuperMarioBros'' blogs, people are calling the demise of the game. The cries of "Mojang is a sellout!" became even more common among fans once they announced ''Minecraft'' would come to the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch, Platform/NintendoSwitch, which happened because of the game's huge success. Thus, the game was later affiliated with Nintendo, right down to having official representation in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosUltimate''. It was received as well as you would imagine. It doesn't help that ''Minecraft'' is the best-selling media property of all time (though it's not the most profitable media property of all time).



* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'', being one of the most popular media franchises of all time, was inevitably going to get hit with this. It got especially bad with ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', due to removing certain features, and the move from dedicated handheld systems to the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch, which led to increased expectations and tons of complaints, both justified and nitpicky, and replies of "it's the biggest media franchise" to any attempt at defending the games despite those issues. According to the complainers, since the franchise is so big, Creator/GameFreak should have no excuse for cheaping out and not giving it their all, yet at the same time, due to their massive popularity, they don't ''need'' to put in too much effort to succeed, since brand recognition alone guarantees that they'll get a best-seller.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'', being one of the most popular media franchises of all time, was inevitably going to get hit with this. It got especially bad with ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', due to removing certain features, and the move from dedicated handheld systems to the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch, Platform/NintendoSwitch, which led to increased expectations and tons of complaints, both justified and nitpicky, and replies of "it's the biggest media franchise" to any attempt at defending the games despite those issues. According to the complainers, since the franchise is so big, Creator/GameFreak should have no excuse for cheaping out and not giving it their all, yet at the same time, due to their massive popularity, they don't ''need'' to put in too much effort to succeed, since brand recognition alone guarantees that they'll get a best-seller.
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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is a rather infamous, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Western-only]] example of this. Prior to the AnimatedAdaptation of ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventurePhantomBlood Phantom Blood]]'', the franchise was relatively unknown to the United States outside of those who learned of it through any combination of the first print run of the ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders Stardust Crusaders]]'' manga, [[VideoGame/JojosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture a Capcom fighting game]] and a couple {{O|riginalVideoAnimation}}VAs also of ''Stardust Crusaders'', English {{Scanlation}}s of the manga, and [[MemeticMutation memes]] that have spawned from all of this material. The anime series by Creator/DavidProduction in TheNewTens caused an ''intense'' NewbieBoom for the franchise in the United States that has only gotten bigger and bigger as each part is adapted. This has finally allowed ''[=JoJo=]'' to be fully-known as a flagship {{shonen}} franchise in the country, but that also means that it has become another target of ridicule and HypeBacklash that shonen series are known to get. The combination of a BrokenBase that usually consists of fans that came before the anime series [[NoTrueScotsman and hates anyone that didn't or doesn't learn about the franchise through its manga]] versus the fans that came after the anime premiered, the fanbase having an aggressive and often one-sided FandomRivalry with any other modern shonen that may have also suffered from this trope (such as ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', and ''Manga/AttackOnTitan''), and [[DiscreditedMeme the overuse and overexposure of the series' memes]] (most notoriously, claiming that something that very barely or vaguely resembles something from the franchise is a deliberate "[[ShoutOut JoJo Reference]]") has made onlookers weary of wanting to get into ''[=JoJo=]'', and having some fans regret ever enjoying the series out of fear of being compared to either the older, more [[NoTrueScotsman entitled]] part of the fandom, or the younger, more naive fans that came from the NewbieBoom. Some Western fans are even wishing that the franchise remained relatively-obscure in the West as it was prior to TheNewTens just to avoid being accused of this trope.

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* ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'' is a rather infamous, [[GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff Western-only]] example of this. Prior to the AnimatedAdaptation of ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventurePhantomBlood Phantom Blood]]'', the franchise was relatively unknown to the United States outside of those who learned of it through any combination of the first print run of the ''[[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventureStardustCrusaders Stardust Crusaders]]'' manga, [[VideoGame/JojosBizarreAdventureHeritageForTheFuture a Capcom fighting game]] and a couple {{O|riginalVideoAnimation}}VAs also of ''Stardust Crusaders'', English {{Scanlation}}s of the manga, and [[MemeticMutation memes]] that have spawned from all of this material. The anime series by Creator/DavidProduction in TheNewTens caused an ''intense'' NewbieBoom for the franchise in the United States that has only gotten bigger and bigger as each part is adapted. This has finally allowed ''[=JoJo=]'' to be fully-known as a flagship {{shonen}} franchise in the country, but that also means that it has become another target of ridicule and HypeBacklash that shonen series are known to get. The combination of a BrokenBase that usually consists of fans that came before the anime series [[NoTrueScotsman and hates anyone that didn't or doesn't learn about the franchise through its manga]] versus the fans that came after the anime premiered, the fanbase having an aggressive and often one-sided FandomRivalry with any other modern shonen that may have also suffered from this trope (such as ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'', and ''Manga/AttackOnTitan''), and [[DiscreditedMeme the overuse and overexposure of the series' memes]] (most notoriously, claiming that something that very barely or vaguely resembles something from the franchise is a deliberate "[[ShoutOut JoJo Reference]]") Reference]], or making the same claim about things (especially songs) that were ReferencedBy ''[=JoJo=]'' itself") has made onlookers weary of wanting to get into ''[=JoJo=]'', and having some fans regret ever enjoying the series out of fear of being compared to either the older, more [[NoTrueScotsman entitled]] part of the fandom, or the younger, more naive fans that came from the NewbieBoom. Some Western fans are even wishing that the franchise remained relatively-obscure in the West as it was prior to TheNewTens just to avoid being accused of this trope.



* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'', being one of the most popular media franchises of all time, was inevitably going to get hit with this. It got especially bad with ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', due to moving from dedicated handheld systems to the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch, which led to increased expectations and tons of complaints, both justified and nitpicky, and replies of "it's the biggest media franchise" to any attempt at defending the games despite those issues. According to the complainers, since the franchise is so big, Creator/GameFreak should have no excuse for cheaping out and not giving it their all, yet at the same time, due to their massive popularity, they don't ''need'' to put in too much effort to succeed, since brand recognition alone guarantees that they'll get a best-seller.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'', being one of the most popular media franchises of all time, was inevitably going to get hit with this. It got especially bad with ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', due to moving removing certain features, and the move from dedicated handheld systems to the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch, which led to increased expectations and tons of complaints, both justified and nitpicky, and replies of "it's the biggest media franchise" to any attempt at defending the games despite those issues. According to the complainers, since the franchise is so big, Creator/GameFreak should have no excuse for cheaping out and not giving it their all, yet at the same time, due to their massive popularity, they don't ''need'' to put in too much effort to succeed, since brand recognition alone guarantees that they'll get a best-seller.



* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei''. Would you believe that this series is starting to show signs of this?

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* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei''. Would you believe that this series ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' is starting to show signs of this? A lot of it overlaps with FandomRivalry between fans of the mainstream-friendly ''Franchise/{{Persona}}'' sub-series, and the rest of the series, which is more niche. It doesn't help that some of the newer non-''Persona'' games have started taking more cues from the ''Persona'' series in hope of appealing to a larger audience.
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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'', being one of the most popular media franchises of all time, was inevitably going to get hit with this. It got especially bad with ''VideoGame/PokemonSwordAndShield'', due to moving from dedicated handheld systems to the UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch, which led to increased expectations and tons of complaints, both justified and nitpicky, and replies of "it's the biggest media franchise" to any attempt at defending the games despite those issues. According to the complainers, since the franchise is so big, Creator/GameFreak should have no excuse for cheaping out and not giving it their all, yet at the same time, due to their massive popularity, they don't ''need'' to put in too much effort to succeed, since brand recognition alone guarantees that they'll get a best-seller.
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** The sequels suffered from this because of the first movie's massive popularity. It made such a significant impact on pop culture that practically every action movie made between 1999 and 2003 ripped off its special effects and cinematography ([[Film/ResidentEvilFilmSeries and some movies are still doing it even today!]]), to the point that [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny the two follow-ups were seen as painfully derivative and unoriginal]] by the time they finally came out.

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** The sequels suffered from this because of the first movie's massive popularity. It made such a significant impact on pop culture that practically every action movie made between 1999 and 2003 ripped off its special effects and cinematography ([[Film/ResidentEvilFilmSeries and some movies are still doing it even today!]]), to the point that [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny [[OnceOriginalNowCommon the two follow-ups were seen as painfully derivative and unoriginal]] by the time they finally came out.



* There seems to be a substantial backlash of this sort to anything by the legendary comedy group ''Creator/MontyPython'', (especially, however, ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail''). Some people might just be [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny sick of the inevitable quotations]], since so many people know the quotes and love them. Others have different objections.

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* There seems to be a substantial backlash of this sort to anything by the legendary comedy group ''Creator/MontyPython'', (especially, however, ''Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail''). Some people might just be [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny [[OnceOriginalNowOverdone sick of the inevitable quotations]], since so many people know the quotes and love them. Others have different objections.



** One of the few artists to be both massively popular ''and'' adored by critics. Yet, even they are an example of this trope; the band's Liverpool fans felt very betrayed when the band hit it big and moved to London and replaced drummer [[ThePeteBest Pete Best]] with Music/RingoStarr. Plus, their massive success and influence and having stood the test of time more than most musicians is used to claim that they are overrated. Additionally, a number of people find it cool to hate The Beatles by dismissing them as a 60s pop group. Y'know, [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny not putting them in the context of the 60s and realizing all the things they helped to make popular]], not least the [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow sheer timelessness of stuff like ''Rubber Soul'' and ''Revolver'']].

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** One of the few artists to be both massively popular ''and'' adored by critics. Yet, even they are an example of this trope; the band's Liverpool fans felt very betrayed when the band hit it big and moved to London and replaced drummer [[ThePeteBest Pete Best]] with Music/RingoStarr. Plus, their massive success and influence and having stood the test of time more than most musicians is used to claim that they are overrated. Additionally, a number of people find it cool to hate The Beatles by dismissing them as a 60s pop group. Y'know, [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny [[GenreTurningPoint not putting them in the context of the 60s and realizing all the things they helped to make popular]], not least the [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow sheer timelessness of stuff like ''Rubber Soul'' and ''Revolver'']].



* [[Music/AntonioVivaldi Vivaldi]] was popular during his lifetime, but died in obscurity and was forgotten by most of the world until the 20th century. Today, his ''Four Seasons'' has a fair {{Hatedom}} [[BadToTheBone due to them being overplayed in popular media]], especially ''Spring''. Their haters tend to forget that [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny for 1723, they would have been incredible to listen to]]; they were the first concertos to put so much passion into a single instrument and forever defined what concertos in the future would be like.

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* Some fans say they liked ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' better back during its early years [[SeinfeldIsUnfunny when it was new and edgy]], and most kids [[ForbiddenFruit had to watch the show in secret]] since their parents had banned it from the house. Now that it is Creator/ComedyCentral's highest rated show and widely popular, some people don't like it anymore.

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A variant of that is "It's Popular, '''so''' it Sucks" -- when people deliberately get into obscure or impenetrable things ''because'' they are obscure or impenetrable, because nothing mainstream can ever be cool. In some ways the inverse of QualityByPopularVote.

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* This trope is in full effect with some Formula 1 fans because of how the Netflix series ''Series/FormulaOneDriveToSurvive'' has had in the United States. Just look at the comments section on a video that's geared toward promoting the sport in the United States, like [[https://youtu.be/G-vq-kvc_Eg?si=BV1eP4y7sjUqfeaS this Jimmy Kimmel Live! interview with Daniel Ricciardo]]. The comments will be full of people saying American interest in F1 has ruined the sport, turned it into a Marvel movie, given people the wrong image of the sport, and made it appeal to the wrong people.
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* A case of It Was Popular, So It Sucks: Music/GeorgPhilippTelemann was the most (commercially) successful and highly regarded German composer of his time and in the course of an extremely long and productive life (1681-1767) wrote more music than Music/JohannSebastianBach and [[Music/GeorgeFredericHandel Georg Friedrich Händel]] combined. After Bach was rediscovered in the mid-19th century, it became fashionable among musicologists and music-lovers to regard him as ''the'' great genius of BaroqueMusic. Since Bach had not been very successful commercially, it was easy to paint him as [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible a misunderstood and unappreciated master]] who wrote for eternity while the "shallow" Telemann marketed himself by pandering to the tastes of the uncouth audience and producing notes as if in a factory. It would take over a century, during which other German Baroque composers besides Bach and Händel were rediscovered and reappreciated, for Telemann to (largely) regain his original stature. The ironic thing was that Bach and Telemann admired each other[[note]] (Telemann at Bach's request became godfather to his son Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, and wrote a sonnet in Bach's honour when he died) [[/note]] and Bach not only copied out by hand entire cantatas written by Telemann, but would also sometimes incorporate Telemann scores into his own works, as was perfectly normal in the 18th century (before copyright laws). And then admirers of Bach like Philipp Spitta and Albert Schweitzer (yes, ''that'' Albert Schweitzer) inadvertently used pieces attributed to Bach but actually written by Teleman (as it turned out after musicologists properly took stock of the surviving part of Telemann's huge oeuvre) to "prove" the nigh-infinite superiority of Bach over Telemann.

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* A case of It Was Popular, So It Sucks: Music/GeorgPhilippTelemann was the most (commercially) successful and highly regarded German composer of his time and in the course of an extremely long and productive life (1681-1767) wrote more music than Music/JohannSebastianBach and [[Music/GeorgeFredericHandel Georg Friedrich Händel]] combined. After Bach was rediscovered in the mid-19th century, it became fashionable among musicologists and music-lovers to regard him as ''the'' great genius of BaroqueMusic. Since Bach had not been very successful commercially, it was easy to paint him as [[TrueArtIsIncomprehensible a misunderstood and unappreciated master]] master who wrote for eternity while the "shallow" Telemann marketed himself by pandering to the tastes of the uncouth audience and producing notes as if in a factory. It would take over a century, during which other German Baroque composers besides Bach and Händel were rediscovered and reappreciated, for Telemann to (largely) regain his original stature. The ironic thing was that Bach and Telemann admired each other[[note]] (Telemann at Bach's request became godfather to his son Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, and wrote a sonnet in Bach's honour when he died) [[/note]] and Bach not only copied out by hand entire cantatas written by Telemann, but would also sometimes incorporate Telemann scores into his own works, as was perfectly normal in the 18th century (before copyright laws). And then admirers of Bach like Philipp Spitta and Albert Schweitzer (yes, ''that'' Albert Schweitzer) inadvertently used pieces attributed to Bach but actually written by Teleman (as it turned out after musicologists properly took stock of the surviving part of Telemann's huge oeuvre) to "prove" the nigh-infinite superiority of Bach over Telemann.
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* ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'', has fallen subject to this due to it being one of the best selling manga in history, and the anime series is probably the most popular and well-known in the world. The series has been consistently popular all over the world for almost two decades, having multiple video games, merchandise and movies. Naturally, some people are taken aback by the show's popularity and call the series overrated. Not to mention the rather toxic fanbase (despite not being as bad as the Dragon Ball fanbase) having tons of fights with each other and other anime fanbases.

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* ''Anime/{{Naruto}}'', has fallen subject to this due to it being one of the best selling manga in history, and the anime series is probably the most popular and well-known in the world. The series has been consistently popular all over the world for almost two decades, having multiple video games, merchandise and movies. Naturally, some people are taken aback by the show's popularity and call the series overrated. Not to mention the rather toxic fanbase (despite not being as bad as the Dragon Ball fanbase) having tons of fights with each other and other anime fanbases.
** On a character-related note, like Bakugo, this is how some fans and haters feel about Sasuke Uchiha, for similar reasons to Bakugo.
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* The Vinyl Revival originated as a backlash against the perceived commercialism of the music industry, with vinyl having long been held as an alternative to the "consumerist" CD and [=MP3=]. Consequently, when mainstream retailers started stocking players and records in the 2010s, many diehards cried foul (even though these chain stores sold vinyl during the format's heyday in the '60s and '70s). Audiophiles additionally deride many of the inexpensive turntables that the Revival created as poor quality devices that risk damaging one's records. Some people also resent the way some younger buyers seem to treat records more as a fashion accessory than a music format. [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking And these younger people keep calling records "vinyls."]] A more legitimate complaint is that the demand for records has overburdened pressing plants, leading to declining quality control, and has jacked up the price of used records. This hit a tipping point during the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, which forced many releases to be delayed substantially due to shipping freezes exacerbating plants' order bloats.

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* Due to ''VideoGame/{{Cuphead}}'' being most likely to be played by big [=YouTuber=]s such as ''LetsPlay/JackSepticEye'', expect it to be hit with swaths of accusations by this game's previous fans.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''. Some fans feel this way because of it becoming a CashCowFranchise. It doesn't help many buy Nightmare merch just to look Goth or Emo, not because they have actually ''seen'' the movie. Then add the HateDumb that thinks the movie sucks because they've seen the merch but have not actually seen the movie, and you get some pissed-off fans. Luckily, this is a VocalMinority.

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* It's hard to find any carnivore who doesn't love chicken wings, especially when marinated in hot sauce. It's very easy, on the other hand, to find people who hate the massive explosion in popularity for the things that began in the late 90's outside of its birthplace in Buffalo, New York (hence the name of Buffalo wings, if you were curious). This one's fully justified, because it took what used to be the absolute cheapest part of the bird (think "10¢-15¢ per pound on average" cheap) and drove prices clean through the roof and into the upper atmosphere, where they've remained ever since; today, a pound of wings will cost you as much ''or more'' than a pound of pre-cooked, boneless, skinless chicken breast.

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* It's hard to find any carnivore who doesn't love chicken wings, especially when marinated in hot sauce. It's very easy, on the other hand, to find people who hate the massive explosion in popularity for the things that began in the late 90's outside of its birthplace in Buffalo, New York, hence the name of Buffalo wings. This one's fully justified, because it took what used to be the absolute cheapest part of the bird (think "10¢-15¢ per pound on average" cheap) and drove prices clean through the roof and into the upper atmosphere, where they've remained ever since.

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* It's hard to find any carnivore who doesn't love chicken wings, especially when marinated in hot sauce. It's very easy, on the other hand, to find people who hate the massive explosion in popularity for the things that began in the late 90's outside of its birthplace in Buffalo, New York, hence York (hence the name of Buffalo wings. wings, if you were curious). This one's fully justified, because it took what used to be the absolute cheapest part of the bird (think "10¢-15¢ per pound on average" cheap) and drove prices clean through the roof and into the upper atmosphere, where they've remained ever since.since; today, a pound of wings will cost you as much ''or more'' than a pound of pre-cooked, boneless, skinless chicken breast.

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** A lot of Disney movies from the animated canon get this effect; while some of the most obscure and less popular movies (such as ''WesternAnimation/TreasurePlanet'') are praised wildly, Disney's most popular films suddenly get bashed for their unevenness and plot issues. One of these successful Disney films, ''WesternAnimation/{{Frozen|2013}}'', has been subjected to this trope. The movie gets this treatment ''hard'' from the young male demographic. Quite a few males enjoy the movie anyway, or at least parts of it.[[note]]Elsa is a huge TestosteroneBrigade magnet, and Kristoff, Olaf, and other characters were made to appeal to them (and younger boys) directly.[[/note]] However, you're also likely to find men who originally ignored ''Frozen'' due to it just being another good-quality Disney princess movie that's [[GirlShowGhetto not really for them]], but began to resent it as it became the colossal juggernaut of a success that it is now. It has WolverinePublicity and this is especially true of the hit song "Let It Go". And after ''WesternAnimation/BigHero6'' came out in November 2014, fans noticed ''Frozen'' was hogging the movie fame spotlight.
*** On the other hand, many people in general felt that the mass exposure of the ''Frozen'' franchise overshadows other Disney films that they believe are better than ''Frozen''. Most notably, many compare it to movies like ''WesternAnimation/{{Tangled}}'' and claim to prefer those movies over ''Frozen''.

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*''Violetta'' is easily the most popular Disney Channel show in Argentina, Italia and every other Latin American country in the world thanks to Martina Stoessel's music career. The same trait also happen with ''Soy Luna''.


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* The Latin America Reggaeton genre it is insanely popular genre in Latin America and the United States towards young people to the point that it is overplayed constantly in every place especially most recent songs of that genre sang by Bad Bunny, Karol G, Becky G, Ozuna, Natti Natasha, Maluma, Rosalía, Sebastián Yatra, J Balvin, Daddy Yankee, Lola Índigo, Rauw Alejandro etc:.
** The Argentine trap and freestyle has the same traits as the Reggaeton such as Tiago PZK, Tini Stoessel, Trueno, John C, Nicki Nicole, María Becerra, Emilia Mernes, Rusherking, L-Gante etc:.

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* Music/{{Genesis|Band}}: The band achieved huge levels of mainstream popularity in the '80s, but their shift to a more mainstream sound combined with the overexposure of frontman Music/PhilCollins led to one of a massive case of HypeBacklash, resulting in the band's ignoble downfall in the '90s. Even after the '80s material (and Collins' solo work) got VindicatedByHistory in the 2010s, debates rage on about how it compares to the more uniformly acclaimed material that they put out when Music/PeterGabriel was their vocalist.

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* Music/{{Genesis|Band}}: The band achieved huge levels of mainstream popularity in the '80s, but their shift to a more mainstream sound combined with the overexposure of frontman Music/PhilCollins led to one of a massive case of HypeBacklash, resulting in the band's ignoble downfall in the '90s. Even after the '80s material (and Collins' solo work) got VindicatedByHistory in the 2010s, debates rage on about how it compares to the more uniformly acclaimed material that they put out when Music/PeterGabriel was their vocalist.vocalist, a period when they were cult favorites at most.



* Music/EltonJohn, particularly in TheSeventies, was a very successful and high-profile entertainer with multiple demographics and a larger-than-life image. His albums sold astronomically and/or had rave reviews, his tendency for flamboyance was at an all-time high, and he always seemed to be in the news or creating controversy with his outspokenness or humor. High-profile friendships with Music/JohnLennon, [[UsefulNotes/{{Tennis}} Billie Jean King]] and Music/RodStewart also gave him notoriety, along with his ownership/management of [[UsefulNotes/AssociationFootball British soccer club Watford F.C.]] His [[OneSceneWonder appearance]] in [[Music/TheWho The Who's]] 1975 [[TheMusical rock musical]] adaption of ''Music/{{Tommy}}'' as the "Local Lad" in "Pinball Wizard" was considered ''the'' highlight of the movie, and Elton's [[CoveredUp cover of the song]] outsold the original. The critics' reviews and his treatment in the press [[CriticalBacklash seriously declined]] with "Elton Mania", and he was denounced as a "one handed piano player", "disposable" and "bland soft-rocker". Similarly to Phil Collins, this may have led to much of the CriticalBacklash and HypeBacklash against him by the end of that decade (middling albums and his outing in 1976 didn't help). Although he had major [[CareerResurrection comebacks]] in TheEighties and TheNineties, often they were led by equal levels of backlash as his profile increased.
* Music/{{Journey|Band}} has gotten a double dose of this trope:

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* Music/EltonJohn, particularly in TheSeventies, was a very successful and high-profile entertainer with multiple demographics and a larger-than-life image. His albums sold astronomically and/or had rave reviews, his tendency for flamboyance was at an all-time high, and he always seemed to be in the news or creating controversy with his outspokenness or humor. High-profile friendships with Music/JohnLennon, [[UsefulNotes/{{Tennis}} Billie Jean King]] and Music/RodStewart also gave him notoriety, along with his ownership/management of [[UsefulNotes/AssociationFootball British soccer club Watford F.C.]] His [[OneSceneWonder appearance]] in [[Music/TheWho The Who's]] Music/TheWho's 1975 [[TheMusical rock musical]] adaption of ''Music/{{Tommy}}'' as the "Local Lad" in "Pinball Wizard" was considered ''the'' highlight of the movie, and Elton's [[CoveredUp cover of the song]] song [[CoveredUp outsold the original. original]]. The critics' reviews and his treatment in the press [[CriticalBacklash seriously declined]] with "Elton Mania", and he was denounced as a "one handed piano player", "disposable" and "bland soft-rocker". {{soft rock}}er". Similarly to Phil Collins, Music/PhilCollins, this may have led to much of the CriticalBacklash and HypeBacklash against him by the end of that decade (middling albums and his outing in 1976 didn't help). Although he had major [[CareerResurrection comebacks]] in TheEighties and TheNineties, often they were led by equal levels of backlash as his profile increased.
* Music/{{Journey|Band}} has gotten a double dose of this trope: trope:



* Music/{{Metallica}}, oh, good lord, Metallica. The most evident example is their 1991 SelfTitledAlbum, aka "The Black Album", which was the most mainstream of their albums at that point and also marked a change in their style from thrash to a more general metal sound. It provided them a lot of success, at the time making them the biggest metal band in the world but also gave them an incredible amount of hate and sellout accusations from their original fan base.\\
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Though, really, they've been accused of this to a certain extent with every album following their debut usually on account on TheyChangedItNowItSucks. Frontman James Hetfield finds it quite amusing. ''Ride The Lightning'' for having a ballad; ''Master of Puppets'' for being slightly less thrash sounding, ''And Justice For All'' for having more of a progressive sound, as well as (GASP!) ''having a video'' for their song, "One" and (THE HORROR) earning them ''a Grammy nomination'', ''Load'' and ''Reload'' for also having different styles, and ''Death Magnetic'' for not being a exact copy of ''Master of Puppets''. No matter what they do, Metallica is [[UnpleasableFanbase never going to catch a break]] from their [[FanDumb so called "fans]]". And, to make it worse, this was piled onto legit hate for them from their battle with Napster, which amplified the problem with the fan base, and those that didn't like their Napster battle joined in on the sellout hate. It made it very difficult to tell who was just hate dumbing and who was actually saying a legit problem they had with the band.

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* Music/{{Metallica}}, oh, good lord, Metallica. The most evident example is their 1991 SelfTitledAlbum, aka "The Black Album", which was the most mainstream of their albums at that point and also marked a change in their style from thrash to a more general metal sound. It provided them a lot of success, at the time making them the biggest metal band in the world but also gave them an incredible amount of hate and sellout Music/{{Metallica}} constantly face accusations from their original fan base.\\
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Though, really, they've been accused
of this to a certain extent [[SellOut selling out]], with every album following release since [[Music/KillEmAll their debut usually on account on TheyChangedItNowItSucks. Frontman James Hetfield finds it quite amusing. ''Ride The Lightning'' debut]] attracting them for having a ballad; ''Master of Puppets'' for being slightly less thrash sounding, ''And Justice For All'' for having more of a progressive sound, as well as (GASP!) ''having a video'' for one reason or another, but it reached new heights after their song, "One" and (THE HORROR) earning [[Music/MetallicaAlbum 1991 self-titled album]] broke them ''a Grammy nomination'', ''Load'' and ''Reload'' into the mainstream for also having different styles, and ''Death Magnetic'' for not being the next 12 years. The album's shift to a exact copy of ''Master of Puppets''. No matter what less experimental style resulted in widespread backlash from longtime fans, which continued when they do, Metallica is [[UnpleasableFanbase never going shifted to catch a break]] from HardRock on their [[FanDumb so called "fans]]". And, to make it worse, this later '90s albums and NuMetal on ''Music/StAnger'', which sold well off of name recognition but was piled onto legit hate for them from so poorly received that it ended their battle with Napster, which amplified the problem with the fan base, and those that didn't like their Napster battle joined in on the sellout hate. It made it very difficult to tell who was just hate dumbing and who was actually saying a legit problem they had with the band. mainstream momentum.
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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series by Creator/StephenieMeyer has gained a substantial hatedom merely because of how insanely popular the books are among young girls. This is especially true among fans of traditional horror stories and vampire stories, who will often yell "YourVampiresSuck!" due to its portrayal of vampires as brooding, beautiful, sparkly, baseball-playing teenagers. The character of Bella and the nature of her relationship with Edward has also garnered lots of criticism, as well as its retrograde views toward women.

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* The ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' series by Creator/StephenieMeyer has gained a substantial hatedom merely because of how insanely popular the books are among young girls. This is especially true among fans of traditional horror stories and vampire stories, who will often yell "YourVampiresSuck!" due to its portrayal of vampires as brooding, beautiful, sparkly, baseball-playing teenagers. The character of Bella and the nature of her relationship with Edward has also garnered lots of criticism, as well as its retrograde views toward women.



** For some fans, including "What I've Done" and "New Divide" were featured in the Michael Bay-directed ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movies is what sold the band out. This is an especially bad instance of this phenomenon because Linkin Park was plenty popular ''before'' that happened, with ''Hybrid Theory'' and ''Meteora'' having achieved widespread success, [[FridgeLogic yet this trope was not in force for those albums.]] For other fans, it was the fact that Creator/StephenieMeyer included "Leave Out All the Rest" to the soundtrack of [[Literature/{{Twilight}} one of her movies]], which led to Twilight Fans entering the already divided fanbase and caused a new divide.

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** For some fans, including "What I've Done" and "New Divide" were featured in the Michael Bay-directed ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movies is what sold the band out. This is an especially bad instance of this phenomenon because Linkin Park was plenty popular ''before'' that happened, with ''Hybrid Theory'' and ''Meteora'' having achieved widespread success, [[FridgeLogic yet this trope was not in force for those albums.]] For other fans, it was the fact that Creator/StephenieMeyer included "Leave Out All the Rest" to the soundtrack of [[Literature/{{Twilight}} [[Literature/TheTwilightSaga one of her movies]], which led to Twilight Fans entering the already divided fanbase and caused a new divide.



* Music/{{Muse}} has suffered a lot of this since the release of ''Black Holes And Revelations'', and to a lesser extent since ''Absolution''. Muse were considered very cool when they were indie artists on their first two albums, ''Showbiz'' and ''Origin Of Symmetry'', and reached their peak when they hit the mainstream with ''Absolution''. By the time ''Black Holes'' came out, it was considered a disappointment because the singles released from it were pop songs rather than rock. This happens a lot, in fact, if an album is represented by the songs which are atypical for the album itself. Ever since "Supermassive Black Hole" was featured in the first ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series film, you can't go to a Muse video on Website/YouTube without fanboys shrieking about ''Twilight'' fans liking Muse due to said song in movie. Sad, because while ''Twilight'' is a polarizing series, almost everyone likes Muse.

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* Music/{{Muse}} has suffered a lot of this since the release of ''Black Holes And Revelations'', and to a lesser extent since ''Absolution''. Muse were considered very cool when they were indie artists on their first two albums, ''Showbiz'' and ''Origin Of Symmetry'', and reached their peak when they hit the mainstream with ''Absolution''. By the time ''Black Holes'' came out, it was considered a disappointment because the singles released from it were pop songs rather than rock. This happens a lot, in fact, if an album is represented by the songs which are atypical for the album itself. Ever since "Supermassive Black Hole" was featured in the first ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' series ''Literature/TheTwilightSaga'' film, you can't go to a Muse video on Website/YouTube without fanboys shrieking about ''Twilight'' fans liking Muse due to said song in movie. Sad, because while ''Twilight'' is a polarizing series, almost everyone likes Muse.



** Happened after ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'' in the minds of some of their fans, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks who preferred their old psychedelic music]] over the new [[DarkerAndEdgier harder and darker]] material. Though in this case, the band themselves felt this way, particularly Music/RogerWaters, who didn't like the larger, noisier audiences that their greater exposure attracted (leading to his infamous, sputum-powered CreatorBacklash during the ''Music/{{Animals|1997}}'' tour).

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** Happened after ''Music/TheDarkSideOfTheMoon'' in the minds of some of their fans, [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks who preferred their old psychedelic music]] over the new [[DarkerAndEdgier harder and darker]] material. Though in this case, the band themselves felt this way, particularly Music/RogerWaters, who didn't like the larger, noisier audiences that their greater exposure attracted (leading to his infamous, sputum-powered CreatorBacklash during the ''Music/{{Animals|1997}}'' ''Music/{{Animals|1977}}'' tour).



* ''Webcomic/{{Weregeek}}'' [[http://www.weregeek.com/2010/11/05/ mentioned]] goth community being [[BrokenBase split]] on the whole "[[Literature/{{Twilight}} now-popular]] vampires" issue, comparing it to hipsters.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Weregeek}}'' [[http://www.weregeek.com/2010/11/05/ mentioned]] goth community being [[BrokenBase split]] on the whole "[[Literature/{{Twilight}} "[[Literature/TheTwilightSaga now-popular]] vampires" issue, comparing it to hipsters.

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* Jonny Davy confessed to feeling this way about Music/JobForACowboy during the height of their fame. Once the initial rush of what was effectively his high school garage band filling up function halls several states away and blowing up all over [=MySpace=] before taking him across the world just a few years after forming had worn off, he began to feel that they had gotten way too big way too fast without really having earned it. Co-headlining with Music/{{Behemoth}} and being billed above Music/HateEternal with just one album was a particularly big sore spot for him, as he loved both bands and felt that he should have had to pay his dues supporting them. This also led to their collective decision to abandon the deathcore genre; ''Doom'' fast became a BlackSheepHit for them, as none of them particularly liked deathcore and hated that they had blown up because of it, and they all decided that they would rather play death metal and risk losing their status and having to get day jobs than play a genre that they didn't care for just so they could make a living off of their music.



* Jonny Davy confessed to feeling this way about Music/JobForACowboy during the height of their fame. Once the initial rush of what was effectively his high school garage band filling up function halls several states away and blowing up all over [=MySpace=] before taking him across the world just a few years after forming had worn off, he began to feel that they had gotten way too big way too fast without really having earned it. Co-headlining with Music/{{Behemoth}} and being billed above Music/HateEternal with just one album was a particularly big sore spot for him, as he loved both bands and felt that he should have had to pay his dues supporting them. This also led to their collective decision to abandon the deathcore genre; ''Doom'' fast became a BlackSheepHit for them, as none of them particularly liked deathcore and hated that they had blown up because of it, and they all decided that they would rather play death metal and risk losing their status and having to get day jobs than play a genre that they didn't care for just so they could make a living off of their music.

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