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** Again, Thérèse. She's treated as a harpy for telling Anthony to cut up his sandwich or wear different clothes. Yet when he makes her have a baby she doesn't want and move to a place she hates, she's also a harpy for feeling upset by it. The [[DoubleStandard sexist undertones]] don't help much.

* In ''WesternAnimation/MulanII'', Shang is meant to be a cold-hearted jerk for opposing the princesses' affection for the soldiers, but consider that their country and the other kingdom is at stake, and the arranged marriage could save them from a deadly invasion, which is very important when you consider [[WesternAnimation/{{Mulan}} a previous invasion a few years back]] actually managed to reach inside TheEmperor's palace. Basically, Shang is in the right when [[WhatTheHellHero telling off Mulan]] for being glad that the princesses have fallen for Yao, Ling, and Chien Po, but no-one really mentions that.

** That Blitzo was the one in the wrong in "Seeing Stars" - his conversation at the start of the episode is just an attempt to get Loona to improve her skills as a receptionist (the literal first impression most will get of IMP as a business), to which she flies completely off the handle and beats him bad enough to give him a black eye. To make matters worse, she's the one who first brings up 'why don't you just replace me?' as an attempt at emotional manipulation, making Blitzo's response come off more like he's just not playing her game anymore than any kind of genuine threat. By the end of the episode he apologizes to her but she responds with ''more'' physical abuse, hitting him in the face with the book and giving him a GroinAttack, implying that makes them even.

** In "Oops", Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running), and continued to do so even after being called out for it; never once does Stolas actually ''consider'' Blitzo's feelings on the matter. By IRL legal standards, this would be QuestionableConsent at ''best'', since Blitzo needs the grimoire to do his job and Stolas could legitimately turn him in for theft if he refused. In-universe it's even worse; Stolas would be well within his rights as a Prince of Hell to outright kill Blitzo for no reason if he wanted. Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism -- he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well (in "Seeing Stars", we see him ''manhandle and choke'' one of them during a heated phone conversation), has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP, and frequently acts condescending towards lower-ranking demons. As such, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.

* ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' [[BrokenAesop breaks its Aesop]] of "trust and forgiveness" over protagonist Raya's head. She's repeatedly told that she needs to be more trusting, which blatantly ignores that trusting someone she barely knew helped send the world into its current state in the first place.[[note]]The titular last dragon, Sisu, is the most insistent at this. But she comes from a culture of openness and trust and shows she doesn't really understand humans. Raya learns to trust Boun, Noi, and Tong... But this is after they ALL tried to steal her Dragon Gem at least once[[/note]]. After Raya's party confronts [[AntiVillain Namaari]], she pulls a crossbow on them and demands Sisu and the gem fragments (betraying Raya's trust ''again''). Raya is called out for not trusting Sisu to handle the situation after [[spoiler:Namaari shoots and kills Sisu]]. But Raya (and the audience) could see Namaari's finger tightening on the trigger. It was perfectly reasonable for Raya to see this and react - ESPECIALLY given Namaari's previous actions.

* In ''WesternAnimation/MulanII'', Shang is meant to be a cold-hearted jerk for opposing the princesses' affection for the soldiers, but consider that their country and the other kingdom is at stake, and the arranged marriage could save them from a deadly invasion, which is very important when you consider [[WesternAnimation/{{Mulan}} a previous invasion a few years back]] actually managed to reach inside TheEmperor's palace. Basically, Shang is in the right when [[WhatTheHellHero telling off Mulan]] for being glad that the princess have fallen for Yao, Ling, and Chien Po, but no-one really mentions that.

** In "Oops", Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running), and continued to do so even after being called out for it, never once does Stolas actually ''consider'' Blitzo's feelings on the matter. By IRL legal standards, this would be QuestionableConsent at ''best'', since Blitzo needs the grimoire to do his job and Stolas could legitimately turn him in for theft if he refused. In-universe it's even worse; Stolas would be well within his rights as a Prince of Hell to outright kill Blitzo for no reason if he wanted. Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well (in "Seeing Stars", we see him ''manhandle and choke'' one of his imp servants during a heated phone conversation) and has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP. As such, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.

** In "Oops", Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running), and continued to do so even after being called out for it, never once does Stolas actually ''consider'' Blitzo's feelings on the matter. Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well (in "Seeing Stars", we see him ''manhandle and choke'' one of his imp servants during a heated phone conversation) and has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP. As such, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.

** In "Oops", Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running), and continued to do so even after being called out for it. Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well and has yet to show he cares about any of the other members of IMP. As such, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.

* ''VisualNovel/DanganronpaV3KillingHarmony'': Case 4 ends with [[spoiler:Kaito being pissed at Shuichi because he trusted Oma (the TokenEvilTeammate and TheFriendNobodyLikes) over him, who has been an emotional support for Shuichi ever since Kaede's death while Oma has done nothing but spread discord, this support culminating in Gonta, who is the GentleGiant loved by everybody, executed for a murder he doesn't remember. The issue is: Oma was right, and Gonta really did commit a murder, even if he doesn't remember. Shuichi was tasked with finding out the truth and if he hadn't, everybody but Gonta would have been killed, making Kaito comes off as petty for punishing Shuichi for saving everybody in a way he disagrees with (even if it was the only way) and the rest of the game tries to make it seems like they are both being stubborn about it, while it hardly seems that way]].

* ''WesternAnimation/{{Ratatouille}}'': After Linguini becomes famous thanks to Remy the rat's cooking, Remy gets upset that the human doesn't acknowledge the rat's participation during interviews over the man's supposed cooking talent. This is treated as Linguini letting fame and ego get to his head, in spite that Linguini ''can't'' be open that "his" cooking talent comes from a rat, as it would shut down the restaurant, and even referring to Remy ambiguously ("a tiny chef who tells me what to do") makes Linguini sound insane.

* ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' [[BrokenAesop breaks its Aesop]] of "trust and forgiveness" over protagonist Raya's head. She's repeatedly told that she needs to be more trusting, which blatantly ignores that trusting someone she barely knew helped send the world into its current state in the first place.[[note]]The titular last dragon, Sisu, is the most insistent at this. But she comes from a culture of openness and trust and shows she doesn't really understand humans. Raya learns to trust Boun, Noi, and Tong... But this is after they ALL tried to steal her Dragon Gem at least once[[/note]]. After Raya's party confronts [[AntiVillain Namaari]], after she pulls a crossbow on them and demands Sisu and the gem fragments (betraying Raya's trust ''again''), Raya is called out for not trusting Sisu to handle the situation after [[spoiler:Namaari shoots and kills Sisu]]. But Raya (and the audience) can see Namaari's finger tightening on the trigger. It was perfectly reasonable for Raya to see this and react - ESPECIALLY given Namaari's previous actions.

* ''ComicStrip/{{Luann}}''

* The Lisa's Story movie arc in ''ComicStrip/FunkyWinkerbean'' practically ran on this. It revolved around Les Moore's insistence that "Lisa's story be told correctly" and not "glamorized." But he never said what that entails, or tells anyone what they're doing wrong. And, he originally wrote the script himself! It's even worse in the 2019-20 revisiting, where Les continued to complain about every aspect of the production, even though everyone involved was bending over backwards to appease him. On top of all that, Les' retellings of canonical events in the comic strip suggested he's not the most objective source of truth about Lisa.

* In ''Fanfic/MyImmortal'', being a "prep" or a "poser", rather than a "goff", is bad because... the story says so!
* Franchise/HarryPotter in the new timeline of ''Fanfic/InThisWorldAndTheNext'' wastes no time in running around acting like an absolute JerkAss, and Snape is supposed to be a bad person for pointing this out.
* In the ''Literature/HarryPotter'' story ''If This Was A Movie'', Harry's OC Weasley wife is revealed to have cheated on him multiple times throughout his marriage but begs his forgiveness. Harry is willing to forgive her so long as she promises it won't ever happen again. When she refuses, Harry is supposed to be insensitive and irrational for demanding a divorce because he "doesn't understand". Her reason for cheating is that Fred died... during the war twenty years ago. Even worse is that when George confronts her about it, she uses the same excuse, conveniently ignoring that Fred was George's twin.
* In ''Fanfic/ThePrayerWarriors'', most of the things that the Satanists and other people do wrong is seen in this light, as [[Franchise/HarryPotter Dumbledore]] is revered by the students of Hogwarts and reviled by the Prayer Warriors for letting his students take drugs, and ''stay up late at night''. Sometimes, the "satanic practices" and "wrong things" that people are doing when the Prayer Warriors happen on them and kill them aren't even elaborated upon, leaving them to readers' imaginations.
* In ''Fanfic/TheStalkingZukoSeries'', as well as other ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' fanfics, Aang defeating Ozai without killing him gets this treatment, with the narrative failing to consider that Aang was able to spare a life by doing so, and that it's possible to neutralize Ozai as a threat without killing him, especially once Ozai no longer has his bending. Opponents of Aang's decision typically can't come up with arguments that are much stronger than the (largely unsupported) idea that doing it will have consequences down the line, or that "[[BecauseISaidSo everyone else told him not to do it]]". It also doesn't help that the critics in these stories tend to be either the new Fire Lord or some form of authority in the Fire Nation...i.e. people who can have Ozai executed themselves if he's that much of a threat.

* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10768368/7/The-Better-Choice The Better Choice]]'', [[Literature/WarriorCats ThunderClan]] is punished and criticized by the protagonists because they undermine Gemlight's authority. However, Gemlight has done absolutely nothing to deserve her position as deputy [[note]]a job usually held by the most respected, experienced warrior in the Clan[[/note]] aside from fucking the Clan leader, was made a deputy ''and'' warrior simultaneously (despite not even completing her training!), and threatens to sic a murderous rapist on anyone who disagrees with her. [[SarcasmMode Gee, what's not to love?]]
* ''Fanfic/RosarioVampireBrightestDarkness Act III'': In chapter 13, Kurumu and the others call Mizore out on Dark's treatment of Tsukune, specifically his statement that he only saved Tsukune from the [[DemonicPossession ghoul-infected Kokoa]] so Kokoa could repay her debt to him and make amends, and ''then'' he'll kill him to prevent the ghoul from surfacing again. However, Mizore and Felucia inform them that Dark was actually pulling a "jerk act" to trick the headmaster into thinking that the Holy Lock's damage wasn't critical yet and find time to figure out a solution, and then outright accuse the others of being {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s and giving Dark too little credit. Of course, they had good reason to take Dark's words at face value, considering the fact that Dark had repeatedly stated beforehand that if he even ''suspected'' that the lock wouldn't hold, he would kill Tsukune without hesitation.
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12422778/1/ This Time Around]]'':
** In the beginning, both [[Manga/AhMyGoddess Urd and Peorth]] decide to cut a specific universe off from influence from their own universe after sending a message to their alternate selves to make a move on Keiichi. Urd declares to Belldandy that unlike her, Urd is too selfish to want to share Keiichi with her and praises Belldandy's selflessness. However, by the story's own admission, Belldandy has been manipulating ''every single universe'' she can find to make sure her alternate self always marries Keiichi. Even in universes where Keiichi is already in a relationship, she'll make sure her alternate self becomes part of it and becomes his first wife; anyone else he's involved in has to be content with being his second wife. One can hardly blame Urd and Peorth for wanting just one universe where they get the man instead of Belldandy.
** In a later chapter, the alternate universe Urd hits her RageBreakingPoint after Belldandy cockblocks her for the nth time[[note]]Urd had sent Belldandy and Skuld out for ice cream so she and Keiichi would have the temple to themselves, but Belldandy decided to come back with ice cream for them right as they were starting to get intimate[[/note]] and starts making eyes at Keiichi yet again while Urd is trying to get her out of the room. However, Urd is treated by both the characters and narrative as being in the wrong for yelling at Belldandy to stop trying to hook up with Urd's boyfriend.
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12592223/41/The-Spider The Spider]]'': Both the characters and the narrative give Tony Stark grief for being a DisappearedDad to his daughter Riri Williams, with even Tony admitting he "should have known" and been there for her. Except Riri is the result of a one night stand with Maya Hansen who literally never tried to contact Tony again after that night, despite spending the next twelve years blaming him for not being around to help raise their daughter.

* ''Fanfic/{{Bitterness}}'': The rest of the cast is absolutely right when they point out that Twilight was acting irrationally angry when she accused Cadance of being evil in ''A Canterlot Wedding, Part 1'' (she did turn out to be right, but marching up and accusing Cadance was not the right way to go about things). However, we're supposed to take Twilight's side, even though in this fanfic she A) [[RejectedApology rejected Applejack's apology]], B) acts like a complete JerkAss to everypony about what happened (even insulting her own brother), and C) has spent most of the fanfic twisting every pony's words. The author later admitted that he had messed up with that and that Twilight WAS acting unreasonable, both in the episode and in the events of the fanfic, and has implied that she may [[NotHimself not be herself]] right now.
* ''FanFic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic'': Twilight Sparkle protests Starfleet [[MurderIsTheBestSolution killing all of their enemies]], Krysta and Lightning Dawn's argument can be summed up as "Starfleet is always right, everyone else is always wrong."

* In ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheKillingJoke'', the first half has Batgirl constantly whining about how Batman "doesn't take her seriously," ignoring the fact that every time she tries taking on Paris Franz, she nearly gets killed in the process while Batman rescues her. His concerns, thus, are perfectly valid. And it was only after she took her bottled up anger at Franz when he's arrested did she understand Batman's concern, which prompted her to quit.

* ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' [[BrokenAesop breaks its Aesop]] of "trust and forgiveness" over protagonist Raya's head. She's repeatedly told that she needs to be more trusting, which blatantly ignores that trusting someone she barely knew helped send the world into its current state in the first place.[[note]]The titular last dragon, Sisu, is the most insistent at this. But she comes from a culture of openness and trust and shows she doesn't really understand humans. Raya learns to trust Boun, Noi, and Tong... But this is after they ALL tried to steal her Dragon Gem at least once[[/note]]. After Raya's party confronts [[AntiVillain Namaari]], after she pulls a crossbow on them and demands Sisu and the gem fragments (betraying Raya's trust ''again''), Raya is called out for not trusting Sisu to handle the situation after [[spoiler: Namaari shoots and kills Sisu.]] But Raya (and the audience) can see Namaari's finger tightening on the trigger. It was perfectly reasonable for Raya to see this and react - ESPECIALLY given Namaari's previous actions.

* In ''VisualNovel/CollarXMalice'', the game tries to paint [[spoiler: Yanagi]] as wrong and committing a horrible crime in his past when he [[spoiler: brutally beats the man who kidnapped the nine year old Ichika into a coma.]] But said person was going to sell a child and also started [[WouldHurtAChild savagely beating two children]] out of frustration. [[spoiler: Yanagi]] was rightfully fearful of his and [[spoiler: Ichika]]'s life and his actions come off more as an extreme but understandable self-defense.

* [[CreepyChild Maria Ushiromiya]] of ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' is often picked on by those around her (including her [[AbusiveParents own mother]]) for acting much younger than she is (9). This is despite the fact that, while she does have a tendency to act somewhat babyish, she also demonstrates a surprisingly in-depth knowledge of western occult lore and theological history far beyond what a typical nine year old should be able to understand. Instead of being recognized as some sort of savant, she's looked upon as creepy and off putting, and often gets smacked around by her mother for not being "normal" instead of recognizing Maria's obvious intellect.

* ''Webcomic/DominicDeegan'' refers to Alterism[[note]]Magic used to alter the body, from hairstyles to dentistry to full gender reassignment[[/note]] as unnatural and Alterists as creepy. We don't actually see any Alterists save for one student doing some amateur work on himself and one hairdresser who only used the magic to style hair and we are never shown how Alterism is any more unnatural than pumping your head full of "ecomancy", the "natural" equivalent, beyond some bad hairdos. This was eventually addressed in one arc where Dominic and Luna admitted their dislikes stem from {{Freudian Excuse}}s and alterism is show to be akin to surgery, though with some more bizarre possibilities. It's still generally considered "wrong" in-verse due to a bad rap from its use by people more for physical enhancement than medical treatment. It was later revealed that a "prank" as a young student resulted in him having over a week of visions of the worst horrors that could go wrong with Alterism FROM THE VICTIM'S PERSPECTIVE. So Dominic's treating it as something horrible is a result of not being able to get over that traumatic incident. Otherwise it doesn't seem to be treated as being that wrong (and allowed a trans female character to successfully undergo physical transition and be happy). Which... means it's actually an IN-UNIVERSE example, albeit an Anvilicious one.
* In ''Webcomic/VeganArtbook,'' Dolly tries to go vegan for a week, but is extremely lethargic at the end of it. Because she can't cook and her mom wouldn't cook vegan food for her, her only vegan options were instant noodles and rice. We're supposed to conclude that she's only lethargic because she was doing it wrong (with the implicit message that anyone can survive on a vegan diet), but if her options are that limited, maybe it's not a good idea for her to go vegan, as it would endanger her health.
* ''Webcomic/SlyCooperThiefOfVirtue'': A lot of what Torus does inside the comic is portrayed negatively despite being a member of law enforcement, with his most notable ones being jailing the Cooper Gang and "bypassing" Bubo's obstruction through Shelby to save innocents in the Congo.

* ''WebAnimation/HelluvaBoss'': Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not believing that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object (including coercing him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire which Blitzo needs to keep his business running), and continued to do so even after being called out for it. Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism — he doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well. As such, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.

* ''WebAnimation/HelluvaBoss'': Blitzo is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not trusting Stolas laughing at his jokes and asking how his day was as signs that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent almost the entirety of season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object, including using Blitzo being in a life-or-death situation to pressure him into a SexForServices deal for use of the grimoire. And Stolas ''continued'' to treat Blitzo this way after being told off for it in the season 1 finale. Also, Stolas laughing at Blitzo's jokes had happened only twice on-screen at the time of this episode, with asking about his day not having happened at all, so there wasn't much evidence for the audience to go on. Additionally, Stolas has a noticeable dose of elitism -- Stolas frequently condescends to lower-ranking hellborn, and doesn't treat his imp servants particularly well. In short, while Blitzo is portrayed as being in the wrong for not believing that Stolas might genuinely have feelings for him, it's understandable for Blitzo to be apprehensive and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has done in the past.

* ''WebAnimation/HelluvaBoss'': Blitzo says that Stolas always laughs at his jokes and asks how his day was, and is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not trusting these things as signs that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent the entirety of season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object, continued to do so after Blitzo told Stolas off for this in the season 1 finale, and if he's ever made a consistent habit of doting on Blitzo, it's happened offscreen. Additionally, disliking Stolas for being a prince is not an unreasonable position to take -- Stolas frequently condescends to imps, has imp servants that neither he nor his wife treat particularly well, and views Blitzo as his {{childhood friend}} when Blitzo's company was literally ''bought by Stolas' father'', something Stolas is either oblivious to or doesn't care about. In short, while Blitzo is portrayed as being in the wrong for not believing that Stolas might genuinely have feelings for him, it's reasonable for Blitzo to be wary of all this affection and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has shown to be like in the past. That being said, despite the tenderness between Fizz and Ozzie shown when the two reunite, their interactions subtly demonstrate there's still inequality in their relationship due to their standings, and Fizz might be realizing that Ozzie's not fully listening to him while keeping him in a GildedCage. Fizz might believe Blitzo is jaded, but Fizz might also be trying to convince ''himself'' that his relationship with Ozzie is different than Blitzo's relationship with Stolas.

* ''WebAnimation/HelluvaBoss'': Blitzo says that Stolas always laughs at his jokes and asks how his day was, and is portrayed as unreasonable and jaded for not trusting these things as signs that Stolas genuinely likes him. Fizz says that it sounds like Blitzo just hates Stolas for being a prince. However, Stolas spent the entirety of season 1 talking down to Blitzo and treating him like a sex object, continued to do so after Blitzo told Stolas off for this in the season 1 finale, and if he's ever made a consistent habit of doting on Blitzo, it's happened offscreen. Additionally, disliking Stolas for being a prince is not an unreasonable position to take -- Stolas frequently condescends to imps, has imp servants that neither he nor his wife treat particularly well, and views Blitzo as his {{childhood friend}} when Blitzo's company was literally ''bought by Stolas' father'', something Stolas is either oblivious to or doesn't care about. In short, while Blitzo is portrayed as being in the wrong for not believing that Stolas might genuinely have feelings for him, it's reasonable for Blitzo to be wary of all this affection and even continue to dislike Stolas on a personal level, given what Stolas has shown to be like in the past.

* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': Agatha's treatment of the Puritans. While Norman was telling her that she was [[HeWhoFightsMonsters becoming just as bad as them]], that message somewhat falls flat as Agatha's curse wasn't as severe as what the Puritans did to her. They had ''murdered'' [[spoiler:an innocent 11-year-old child]] and had gotten away with such a heinous action. Agatha only cursed them to rise from their graves (it's ambiguous as to whether or not her curse had actually killed them, since neither she nor her descendant Norman showed such an ability in life, so it's possible she gained that power after her death) so they could be ridiculed and tormented by the townspeople. While the townspeople would accuse Norman of being behind the zombies and try to lynch him, that was not part of Agatha's plan. She only wanted to make the people [[DoubleMeaning "see how rotten"]] the Puritan judges were. Compare that to the Puritans' act of killing [[spoiler:a child]] and Agatha seems like the lesser of two evils. While getting revenge on someone is wrong, ''here'', is understandable why Agatha wants it on the Puritans.

* ''WesternAnimation/TurningRed'': Ming is portrayed as wrong for making her daughter Mei seal [[InvoluntaryShapeshifting her panda spirit]] away with a ritual at the first red moon after it manifests. However, not only does Ming have understandable reasons for wanting to seal it up ([[spoiler:she injured her own mother with it]]), but [[spoiler:Mei ''herself'' attacked and terrified Tyler at his party with her panda form after losing her temper.]] What's more, the decision to not seal the panda during the first subsequent red moon is ''explicitly'' [[ItOnlyWorksOnce stated to be a permanent one]], while the inverse is ''not'', because [[spoiler:Mei's aunts and grandma release theirs]]. But all of Mei's family, including her mother, ultimately accepts her autonomous decision without even a discussion. On the other hand, it is understandable why the film wants us to think what Ming is doing to Mei is wrong since she could have understood her and taught her how to control her panda form instead of assuming she can figure it out on her own.

** ''InformedWrongness/AmericanDad''

* ''WesternAnimation/ParaNorman'': Agatha's treatment of the Puritans. While Norman was telling her that she was [[HeWhoFightsMonsters becoming just as bad as them]], that message somewhat falls flat as Agatha's curse wasn't as severe as what the Puritans did to her. They had ''murdered'' [[spoiler:an innocent 11-year-old child]] and had gotten away with such a heinous action. Agatha only cursed them to rise from their graves (it's ambiguous as to whether or not her curse had actually killed them, since neither she nor her descendant Norman showed such an ability in life, so it's possible she gained that power after her death) so they could be ridiculed and tormented by the townspeople. While the townspeople would accuse Norman of being behind the zombies and try to lynch him, that was not part of Agatha's plan. She only wanted to make the people [[DoubleMeaning "see how rotten"]] the Puritan judges were. Compare that to the Puritans' act of killing [[spoiler:a child]] and Agatha seems like the lesser of two evils.

* ''WesternAnimation/TurningRed'': Ming is portrayed as wrong for making her daughter Mei seal [[InvoluntaryShapeshifting her panda spirit]] away with a ritual at the first red moon after it manifests. However, not only does Ming have understandable reasons for wanting to seal it up ([[spoiler:she injured her own mother with it]]), but [[spoiler:Mei ''herself'' attacked and terrified Tyler at his party with her panda form after losing her temper.]] What's more, the decision to not seal the panda during the first subsequent red moon is ''explicitly'' [[ItOnlyWorksOnce stated to be a permanent one]], while the inverse is ''not'', because [[spoiler:Mei's aunts and grandma release theirs]]. But all of Mei's family, including her mother, ultimately accepts her autonomous decision without even a discussion.

* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'': Early editions of the game have several spells which are designated "Evil", with players informed that using these forces is considered immoral in and of itself. No explanation is given as to why animating the undead or draining someone's lifeforce is any different from, say, stabbing someone with a sword or whacking them with a mace. But the chief example of how arbitrary this can be is the Deathwatch spell. It's described as using "the foul sight granted by the powers of unlife", yet all it does is check the current health of people in the area. Not only is this spell completely harmless, but the most obvious utility it has is to check who's most in need of healing, which would be classified as a Good action. Later editions almost entirely remove the CharacterAlignment aspect of magic spells, with the only exception being certain rituals that require evil acts, such as a lich's transformation. In other settings, these spells have lore explaining why they're bad, such as being linked to TheCorruption, making the user a WalkingWasteland, or being [[AgonyBeam excessively cruel to the victims]].

* In ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'', Goh is known to be very insensitive and has horrible social skills, but he makes a good point that Chloe can't blame Ash for everything since Chloe herself never accepted any offer to join him and Goh, constantly denying every single chance she got to actually hang out with them. In fact, a lot of the general complaints Ash is given by the narrative can be boiled down to him not knowing things people were not telling him or him being expected to know things to ask about someone who refuses to open up to ''anyone'', much less a person who only recently arrived.
* ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainVoyageOfWisteria'': In theory, Goh and Lexi's argument is about seeing that BothSidesHaveAPoint and are equally at fault. In practice, however, it's almost impossible ''not'' to take Goh's side because:
** 1) The reveal that he was going through depression makes everything he went through ''even worse'', and makes him a lot more sympathetic as a result.
** 2) A lot of Lexi's points get severely weakened by the above revelation, since they can easily be explained by both that they would worsen Goh's depression and PoorCommunicationKills.
** 3) Every time Goh makes a legitimate counterargument to Lexi's points, the paper Denizen changes the subject, not only weakening his stance but making him come across as desperate to find something, ''anything'', to join the call out party against Goh.
** And finally, 4) Lexi's stance is highly biased and hypocritical, since he lambasts Goh as not caring about Chloe and not caring about how his actions hurt others, when ''Lexi himself'' nearly mauled someone over a ''misconception'' about Chloe, and has done nothing but be hurtful to Goh, ''the person he promised Chloe he would help''.

* ''WesternAnimation/RayaAndTheLastDragon'' [[BrokenAesop breaks its Aesop]] of "trust and forgiveness" over protagonist Raya's head. She's repeatedly told that she needs to be more trusting, which blatantly ignores that trusting someone she barely knew helped send the world into it's current state in the first place.[[note]]The titular last dragon, Sisu, is the most insistent at this. But she comes from a culture of openness and trust and shows she doesn't really understand humans. Raya learns to trust Boun, Noi, and Tong... But this is after they ALL tried to steal her Dragon Gem at least once[[/note]]. After Raya's party confronts [[AntiVillain Namaari]], after she pulls a crossbow on them and demands Sisu and the gem fragments (betraying Raya's trust ''again''), Raya is called out for not trusting Sisu to handle the situation after [[spoiler: Namaari shoots and kills Sisu.]] But Raya (and the audience) can see Namaari's finger tightening on the trigger. It was perfectly reasonable for Raya to see this and react - ESPECIALLY given Namaari's previous actions.

* Not surprisingly, this trope tends to find a lot of use in fanfiction, especially when people invoke DracoInLeatherPants and RonTheDeathEater to change the social dynamics of a story's cast to fit their own story. This is JustForFun/{{egregious}} when done in a series with a lot of ComedicSociopathy (such as ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'') where the entire cast is playing a gigantic game of catch with a multitude of {{Idiot Ball}}s, {{Distress Ball}}s, {{Hero Ball}}s, and {{Villain Ball}}s. In such stories, it doesn't matter how much attempted murder and bastardry have happened in the past, the NEW instance is suddenly the breaking point.

* In ''Fanfic/DumbledoresArmyAndTheYearOfDarkness'', Zacharias Smith is portrayed as wrong for wanting to leave the DA, even though he's completely correct that it's turned into a martyrdom cult instead of the resistance group he signed up for. The others agree with his reasoning, but they don't see why changing the focus from defeating Voldemort to dying heroically is a problem. Instead of presenting this sudden change of priorities as an issue, the narrative acts like this martyrdom obsession is completely justified, and Zacharias is selfish for not being on board. Keep in mind all of these characters are teenagers.