History Main / HateDumb

The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the Obsessed variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and ''then'' complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre [[AnthropicPrinciple what it is]]. (For instance, they might complain about kiss scenes in ''romance movies'', blood and swearing in ''Film/DieHard'', soft rock band America not being "heavy enough", or EarnYourHappyEnding in [[AWorldHalfFull dark idealistic stories.]]) They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety and changing the story to fit how they would view it as an improvement, (This is not considered constructive criticism in the creative writing field) then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. This brings out a subspecies called '''The Mad Editor'''.

* '''[[YokoOhNo Love Interest Haters]]''': These people may be big fans of a creator, but they absolutely ''despise'' the creator's love interest. She (it's usually a she) will often be blamed for negatively affecting the quality of his work [[MisBlamed even if she had nothing to do with it]]. She may also be hated for [[ShipSinking sinking]] the hater's favourite [[ActorShipping ship]], "stealing" the creator away from the hater, or disappointing people who [[GuyOnGuyIsHot really wanted him to be gay]] (and believe there are NoBisexuals...). Don't be surprised if these haters insist that the creator's relationship is unhappy even if there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. In severe cases, the haters will make more serious and equally baseless accusations against the love interest -- according to them, she may be unfaithful, destructive, [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and so on. Even if the haters are actually right about a creator's love interest being a bad influence, they ''still'' take their response too far -- as above, death threats may occur. Most of these people aren't full-blown haters of the work; they either actually like it despite their complaints, or they used to like it but now don't because they think it JumpedTheShark (which they'll often blame the love interest for).

* '''[[YokoOhNo Love Interest Haters]]''': These people may be big fans of a creator, but they absolutely ''despise'' the creator's love interest. She (it's usually a she) will often be blamed for negatively affecting the quality of his work [[MisBlamed even if she had nothing to do with it]]. She may also be hated for [[ShipSinking sinking]] the hater's favourite [[ActorShipping ship]], "stealing" the creator away from the hater, or disappointing the people who [[GuyOnGuyIsHot really wanted him to be gay]] by making it clear that he's not. Don't be surprised if these haters insist that the creator's relationship is unhappy even if there's plenty of evidence to the contrary. In severe cases, the haters will make more serious and equally baseless accusations against the love interest -- according to them, she may be unfaithful, destructive, [[DomesticAbuse abusive]], and so on. Even if the haters are actually right about a creator's love interest being a bad influence, they ''still'' take their response too far -- as above, death threats may occur. Most of these people aren't full-blown haters of the work; they either actually like it despite their complaints, or they used to like it but now don't because they think it JumpedTheShark (which they'll often blame the love interest for).

[[folder:'''Hipster Hater''']] An obsessed hater that insists that their obsession with the object of their hate is "ironic", or insist that any work which becomes mainstream has "sold out" and cannot be TrueArt: [[ItsPopularNowItSucks if it's popular, it sucks.]] They cannot be an acknowledged fan to a popular work, so they are this instead. This tends to overlap with business hatred, too. Many of these guys will buy alternate brand names or other such stuff to "Stick it to the man". Expect many of these people to complain about businesses trying to make a profit, such as saying it is "unforgivable" that businesses *gasp* have terms of service or ask ''money'' for their works. Corporate creators have no problems with this sort of Hate Dumb, either.

[[folder:'''Pop Culture Snob''']] The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[WidgetSeries Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be childish or {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AnimatedShockComedy something like]] ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'', ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', or ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark''). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere.

[[folder:'''Bandwagon Hater''']] Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTargets but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been ''fans'' of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to ''hate'' it. A very good way of spotting this if any CausticCritic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwards, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes ''word for word''. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in FanDumb, as well. This is what the page quote essentially describes; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it, but because the "cool kids" told them to.

[[folder:'''The Crusader''']] Hating something is SeriousBusiness to these people; it is practically their life's mission is to spread the message of {{Hatedom}} around. The Crusader is frequently launching [[FlameWar Holy wars]] against forums, sometimes even organizing spam-raids on forums, or frequently derailing threads to state why ''they'' think it sucks. These types have been the cause of more work pages being locked on this very wiki than a lot of us are proud of.

[[folder:'''The Demonizer''']] This is the Hate Dumb version of the [[FanDumb Fandom Moral Guardian]]. He will find anything violent/sexual/other in this work and say that it will cause anyone who watches it to do something horrible. If something bad happens (and especially if the work is involved), expect to hear this guy say that it was responsible and needs to be banned. Related to the '''Aesthetic Stalinist''' (mostly the left-wing type, but if they're parroting the latest HeteronormativeCrusader moral panic, it's safe to say they're right-wing), this is an early stage in becoming a MoralGuardian. Can also overlap with Genre Alien if they criticize a work for adults for having adult content. Can overlap with EveryoneIsSatanInHell if they read negative symbolism into a work that doesn't actually have it. They also tend to get into arguments over whether or not a work is OK for kids to take in.

[[folder:'''The Negative Nelly''']] These people are similar to the Edgelords on FanDumb, but they don't like the show. They're the ones who claim that the work is bad because it's too positive, often claiming it's [[SweetnessAversion too saccharine]] and/or "[[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids for babies]]". They might demand that the writers make it darker so that it's more "realistic", even though their ideas for "improving" it may amount to something like "make it oversexualized, add gratuitous violence and give it a blindly nihilistic tone". Can overlap with Genre Alien if they actively seek out idealistic works to complain about their lack of "maturity". They can also be Art Critics if they think a comedy is "mindless entertainment". If one character is very positive, they'll often be Hate Mongers, claiming that the character is "useless comic relief" and/or "overly happy". They might also claim the show is "cruel" because of {{Slapstick}}.

[[folder:'''NostalgiaFilter''']]
The idea that modern works are automatically inferior to the [[OlderIsBetter stuff from the past]]. This is so common that we have a trope for it. These haters will trash on the modern stuff and idealize the stuff they liked when they were younger, because it's skewed through the years that they only remember the ''good'' parts -- not the fact that there was a PeripheryHatedom for something that was marketed to them at age six, and not the fact that even adults were criticising it for the same reasons they criticize the modern stuff. For a more in-depth discussion, check the article, but this is an unfortunate type because it's ''so'' propagated and encouraged in fandom.

[[folder:'''StopHavingFunGuys''']]
The "Stop Having Fun" Guys will insist that everyone else is doing it wrong. They not only hate the other fans who enjoy it a specific way, but will also insult ''other haters''. These people are often known for having ''very'' specific single-issue criteria when they pick something new, which causes them to have ridiculously high standards. In the worst cases, they'll join a Hatedom because the work they tried to be a fan of was too...''different'' from what they normally like; instead of trying to adapt, they claim it to be crap and that [[FanHater everyone who likes it doesn't know what true fun is]]. Some of these people will go on tangents explaining ''one'' situation they had with a game and then insisting the entire game is like that. Many times; the hatred of new editions, updates, or sequels consist of these people who complain about how the developers are "punishing skill" amongst other things because they assessed widely exploited glitches and shortcomings. Read the article for some more specific examples.

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when they start releasing uncomfortable {{Author Tract}}s that are impossible to judge non-politically or shoehorning a homophobic, transphobic, racist, or ableist WordSaladPhilosophy in their game's patch notes. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though UsefulNotes/JosefStalin hobbled Soviet biology by falling for Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority, LGBT, and even disability representation improves, right-wing types are becoming more visible.\\\

These haters have never seen the show in question, but they still know they hate it. They will refuse to watch it at all. There isn't necessarily anything in the show itself that they would dislike, if only they would watch it — HypeAversion, or the [[NeverTrustATrailer trailer for the work]] has made them determined to avoid direct exposure.

[[folder:'''The Demonizer''']] This is the Hate Dumb version of the [[FanDumb Fandom Moral Guardian]]. He will find anything violent/sexual/other in this work and say that it will cause anyone who watches it to do something horrible. If something bad happens (and especially if the work is involved), expect to hear this guy say that it was responsible and needs to be banned. Related to the '''PC Crusader''', this is an early stage in becoming a MoralGuardian. Can also overlap with Genre Alien if they criticize a work for adults for having adult content. Can overlap with EveryoneIsSatanInHell if they read negative symbolism into a work that doesn't actually have it. They also tend to get into arguments over whether or not a work is OK for kids to take in.

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when they start releasing uncomfortable {{Author Tract}}s that are impossible to judge non-politically or shoehorning a transphobic WordSaladPhilosophy in their game's patch notes. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though UsefulNotes/JosefStalin hobbled Soviet biology by falling for Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority, LGBT, and even disability representation improves, right-wing types are becoming more visible.\\\

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when they start releasing uncomfortable {{Author Tract}}s that are impossible to judge non-politically. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though UsefulNotes/JosefStalin hobbled Soviet biology by falling for Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority, LGBT, and even disability representation improves, right-wing types are becoming more visible.\\\

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when they start releasing uncomfortable {{Author Tract}}s that are impossible to judge non-politically. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though Stalin hobbled Soviet biology with Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority representation improves, right-wing types are more visible.\\\
'''Left-wing:''' Most frequently, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist will be particularly sensitive to any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and condemn the work as hateful and bigoted, sometimes [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization]]. If the character is portrayed as [[HateSink unlikable]] or [[MoralEventHorizon explicitly evil and unsympathetic]], expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed UnfortunateImplications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted, even if [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn the creator themself]] or '''one of the heroes''' is a member of the relevant group. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist is partially responsible for the existence of the FlawlessToken trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger them. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities ''at all'' just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Alternatively, the more extreme version may accuse the creator of a work with positively-depicted minority characters of being a hypocritical or cowardly centrist or "shitlib" for seeking "diversity points" without making the work sufficiently explicit and aggressive in its attack on patriarchal white supremacist capitalism or call for a socialist or anarchist revolution.\\\

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly); neither is being aware of a creator's politics, especially when their work starts to turn into {{Author Tract}}s. The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though Stalin hobbled Soviet biology with Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority representation improves, right-wing types are more visible.\\\

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly). The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--to use science as an example, though Stalin hobbled Soviet biology with Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority representation improves, right-wing types are more visible.\\\

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly). The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology because it's not about specific ideology but an unwillingness to see beyond politics--though Stalin hobbled Soviet biology with Lysenkoism because Darwinian evolution was seen as bourgeois, ThoseWackyNazis ''also'' hobbled their science community with ''Deutsche Physik'' because UsefulNotes/AlbertEinstein, who developed the Theory of Relativity, was Jewish. For the purposes of this page, they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing ''at all''. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority representation improves, right-wing types are more visible.\\\

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly). The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Despite the name, this can apply to any political ideology; they will be divided into left-wing, who object to minority characters having flaws, and right-wing, who object to minority characters existing at all. Both types overlap with the Bandwagon Hater and the Review Troll, but as minority representation improves, right-wing types are more visible.\\\
'''Left-wing:''' Most frequently, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist will be particularly sensitive to any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and condemn the work as hateful and bigoted, sometimes [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization]]. If the character is portrayed as [[HateSink unlikable]] or [[MoralEventHorizon explicitly evil and unsympathetic]], expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed UnfortunateImplications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted, even if the creator themselves [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn is a member of the relevant group]]. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist is partially responsible for the existence of the FlawlessToken trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger them. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities ''at all'' just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Alternatively, the more extreme version may accuse the creator of a work with positively-depicted minority characters of being a hypocritical or cowardly centrist or "shitlib" for seeking "diversity points" without making the work sufficiently explicit and aggressive in its attack on patriarchal white supremacist capitalism or call for a socialist or anarchist revolution.\\\

** '''The Review Troll'''. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as Amazon.com or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom - an action known as "review bombing". They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll usually just post a one to three sentence "review", [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike saying that the work sucks without really describing why.]] In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in FanDumb as well. Both types of Aesthetic Stalinist are infamous for this, but '''especially''' right-wing ones, presumably hoping to manufacture evidence of a backlash against a work they see as SJW propaganda; this got so bad that Website/RottenTomatoes [[https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/making-some-changes/ was forced to disable pre-release user comments and make the "Want To See" metric absolute rather than a percentage]].

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly). The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Most frequently, the left-wing version (despite the term "Stalinist", this can apply to any political ideology) will be particularly sensitive to any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and condemn the work as hateful and bigoted, sometimes [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization]]. If the character is portrayed as [[HateSink unlikable]] or [[MoralEventHorizon explicitly evil and unsympathetic]], expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed UnfortunateImplications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted, even if the creator themselves [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn is a member of the relevant group]]. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist is partially responsible for the existence of the FlawlessToken trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger them. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities ''at all'' just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Alternatively, the more extreme version may accuse the creator of a work with positively-depicted minority characters of being a hypocritical or cowardly centrist or "shitlib" for seeking "diversity points" without making the work sufficiently explicit and aggressive in its attack on patriarchal white supremacist capitalism or call for a socialist or anarchist revolution. The right-wing Aesthetic Stalinist most often accuses any work with a minority protagonist or other sympathetic major character of pandering to leftists (having an especially rabid hatred for the AffirmativeActionLegacy), and accuses [[FanHater anyone who enjoys it]] of being a left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist who only pretends to like the work because of its "diversity". Even when a work can legitimately be criticized for pandering, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they'll usually direct their criticisms at the apparent fact that the work decided to include a minority character at all]]. The most extreme of these types will once again direct their hatred at the creator. They may be actual bigots dressing up their bigotry in weasel wording and flimsy excuses, or simply people who got tired of being accused of such for their legitimate criticisms and as a result act in a reactionary manner to what they perceive as pandering or tokenism. If you confront one of them in the wild, expect to have the word [=SJW=] thrown at you more than once. Often overlaps with "Complaining about works you didn't take in" as they will often refuse to touch a work with anything they perceive as "pandering", let alone examine it critically and figure out if their perception is true. Also often overlaps with "The Installment Hater", since they often claim to be fans of older installments they don't perceive as "woke" (even if the earlier versions of the work took an explicitly leftist or anti-bigotry stance for their time), and "The Review Troll", since they ''love'' to review-bomb and cite their own review-bombing as proof of the truth of their slogan "Get Woke, Go Broke". Despite them being a VocalMinority, their existence often antagonises left-wing Aesthetic Stalinists, who will [[AccentuateTheNegative exaggerate their presence and impact as if it's what the whole fandom believes]]. This then leads to a vicious cycle of each side blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). Sometimes things can get really ugly if, say, a work has a positively depicted black character but a less developed LGBT one, or vice-versa, in which case more selfish and unthinking individuals will start fighting among themselves about which group is more oppressed. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch from the sidelines]], though such debates can descend into extremely ugly or even outright dangerous territory depending on the people involved, as both parties tend to be inordinately fond of dragging it into real life and making it personal. Doxing incidents are common, as are campaigns of orchestrated harassment and attempts to get people fired from their jobs or cost them clients or professional contacts (if they are self-employed), and it can and sometimes does escalate into full-fledged attempts to cause physical harm.

** '''The Review Troll'''. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as Amazon.com or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom - an action known as "review bombing". They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll usually just post a one to three sentence "review", [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike saying that the work sucks without really describing why.]] In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in FanDumb as well. While PC Crusaders are no strangers to this, Un-PC Crusaders have become particularly known for this in recent years, presumably hoping to manufacture evidence of a backlash against a work they see as SJW propaganda; this got so bad that Website/RottenTomatoes [[https://editorial.rottentomatoes.com/article/making-some-changes/ was forced to disable pre-release user comments and make the "Want To See" metric absolute rather than a percentage]].

These people don't usually hate a serial work itself (although they might stop liking it if they take their hate far enough) but they do hate an installment of it, for instance a book in a series, an episode of a TV show, or a sequel (common because [[{{Sequelitis}} sequels have a bad reputation]]). While it's obviously fine to dislike an installment while liking the work as a whole, these people go next-level on it. They may spend more time complaining about this installment than they spend liking the rest of the work, even if it's the kind of work they can easily re-experience while skipping their hated installment (especially if it was later [[CanonDiscontinuity rendered non-canon]] because it sucked so much). They often make exaggerated claims that the installment "ruined" the work or a character. For instance, if a character [[OutOfCharacterMoment behaves out-of-character]], they might make [[EpilepticTrees theories]] about how their out-of-character personality is their real one and their normal personality is a lie, and if the out-of-character behaviour involves [[TheWorfEffect being defeated too easily]], they'll often cry BadassDecay. If the installment started an AudienceAlienatingEra or even [[FranchiseKiller killed the franchise]], that can justify hate -- but only to some degree. These haters may go on and on and on about how bad the Dork Age was long after it's over and it's clear that the creators have learned from their mistakes, or they may insist that the questionable quality of the last installment is solely responsible for the death of the franchise even when there were other factors at play. Like the Review Troll, this type often overlaps with the Un-PC Crusader because they see even token attempts to reflect changing societal attitudes as pandering to [=SJWs=], [[NostalgiaFilter even if the progressive values they're whining about date back to the "real" installments]].

Being aware of the political subtexts, or outright texts, of works you enjoy isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly). The issue with The Aesthetic Stalinist is that they judge artistic works chiefly, or entirely, according to their approval of what they see as their political texts or subtexts. Most frequently, the left-wing version (despite the term "Stalinist", this can apply to any political ideology) will be particularly sensitive to any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards and condemn the work as hateful and bigoted, sometimes [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization]]. If the character is portrayed as [[HateSink unlikable]] or [[MoralEventHorizon explicitly evil and unsympathetic]], expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed UnfortunateImplications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted, even if the creator themselves [[OffendingTheCreatorsOwn is a member of the relevant group]]. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist is partially responsible for the existence of the FlawlessToken trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger them. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities ''at all'' just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Alternatively, the more extreme version may accuse the creators of a work with positively-depicted minority characters of being a hypocritical or cowardly centrist or "shitlib" for seeking "diversity points" without making the work sufficiently explicit and aggressive in its attack on patriarchal white supremacist capitalism or call for a socialist or anarchist revolution. The right-wing Aesthetic Stalinist most often accuses any work with a minority protagonist or other sympathetic major character of pandering to leftists (having an especially rabid hatred for the AffirmativeActionLegacy), and accuses [[FanHater anyone who enjoys it]]) of being a left-wing Aesthetic Stalinist who only pretends to like the work because of its "diversity". Even when a work can legitimately be criticized for pandering, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they'll usually direct their criticisms at the apparent fact that the work decided to include a minority character at all]]. The most extreme of these types will once again direct their hatred at the creator. They may be actual bigots dressing up their bigotry in weasel wording and flimsy excuses, or simply people who got tired of being accused of such for their legitimate criticisms and as a result act in a reactionary manner to what they perceive as pandering or tokenism. If you confront one of them in the wild, expect to have the word [=SJW=] thrown at you more than once. Often overlaps with "Complaining about works you didn't take in" as they will often refuse to touch a work with anything they perceive as "pandering", let alone examine it critically and figure out if their perception is true. Also often overlaps with "The Installment Hater", since they often claim to be fans of older installments they don't perceive as "woke" (even if the earlier versions of the work took an explicitly leftist or anti-bigotry stance for their time), and "The Review Troll", since they ''love'' to review-bomb and cite their own review-bombing as proof of the truth of their slogan "Get Woke, Go Broke". Despite them being a VocalMinority, their existence often antagonises left-wing Aesthetic Stalinists, who will [[AccentuateTheNegative exaggerate their presence and impact as if it's what the whole fandom believes]]. This then leads to a vicious cycle of each side blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). Sometimes things can get really ugly if, say, a work has a positively depicted black character but a less developed LGBT one, or vice-versa, in which case more selfish and unthinking individuals will start fighting among themselves about which group is more oppressed. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch from the sidelines]], though such debates can descend into extremely ugly or even outright dangerous territory depending on the people involved, as both parties tend to be inordinately fond of dragging it into real life and making it personal. Doxing incidents are common, as are campaigns of orchestrated harassment and attempts to get people fired from their jobs or cost them clients or professional contacts (if they are self-employed), and it can and sometimes does escalate into full-fledged attempts to cause physical harm.

** '''Made The Wrong Turn''': Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' or Creator/StephenColbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Music/{{Queen}} or Music/XJapan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' or ''Literature/HarryPotter''. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, ''even if that's the point of the work''), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe. Will become an Installment Hater if they notice these aspects in newer installments.

[[folder:'''The PC Crusader''']]
Wanting more well-made female and minority characters in the media is generally a good thing. In the very least it isn't a ''bad'' thing (mostly). The issue with The PC Crusader is that they are [[UnpleasableFanbase almost never satisfied.]] Any depiction of a woman or minority that doesn't meet their impossibly high standards will inevitably lead them to criticize the work as sexist or bigoted, usually [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even taking the time to look into the work and see their full characterization]]. If the character is portrayed as [[HateSink unlikable]] or [[MoralEventHorizon explicitly evil and unsympathetic]], expect people like this to jump to wild conclusions about the supposed UnfortunateImplications that often don't exist, and condemn the creator of the work themselves while citing their perceptions as proof said creator is bigoted. As an unintended consequence of this behavior, the PC Crusader is partially responsible for the existence of the FlawlessToken trope; creators wary of these folks may resort to writing women/minorities as flat, boring characters with no flaws whatsoever (or at least none that might make them be perceived in any negative way), as it is the type of portrayal least likely to anger PC Crusaders. At the most extreme, the creator may not bother to include any minorities ''at all'' just to play it safe. On the rare occasion one of these people finds a character which meets their standards, they will protect that character like their only child. Any criticism of said character will lead to the critic being dismissed as a bigot, even if their criticisms had nothing to do with the character's minority status. Their existence gave rise to The Un-PC Crusader, an equally obnoxious group who believe that pretty much any work with a female/minority character is an attempt at pandering to this crowd.
** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': Much like the PC Crusader, the Un-PC Crusader might not always be ''wrong'' in their criticisms; minority characters and works made solely for pandering do exist (and there are a lot of instances of this surprisingly), and a legitimate FlawlessToken is something that should be called out. Many of these critics are minorities themselves, who legitimately want more complex and varied characters representing them. The issue lies, again like the PC Crusader, in ''taking it too far''. Whether or not a character is written just to be a token, or a work is legitimately pandering to make up for its lack of depth, they will still tear it down (along with [[FanHater anyone who enjoys it]]). Even when a work can legitimately be criticized for pandering, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they'll usually direct their criticisms at the apparent fact that the work decided to include a minority character at all]]. The most extreme of these types will even direct their hatred at the creator in a similar vein as the PC Crusader. They may be actual bigots dressing up their bigotry in weasel wording and flimsy excuses, or simply people who got tired of being accused of such for their legitimate criticisms and as a result act in a reactionary manner to what they perceive as pandering or tokenism. If you confront one of them in the wild, expect to be lumped in with the PC Crusader or have the word [=SJW=] thrown at you more than once. Often overlaps with "Complaining about works you didn't take in" as they will often refuse to touch a work with anything they perceive as "pandering", let alone examine it critically and figure out if their perception is true. Also often overlaps with "The Installment Hater", since they often proclaim to be fans of older installments they don't perceive as "woke", and "The Review Troll", since they ''love'' to review bomb and cite their own review-bombing as proof that "Go Woke, Go Broke" is a thing. Despite them being a VocalMinority, their existence often galvanizes The PC Crusader, who will [[AccentuateTheNegative exaggerate their presence and impact as if it's what the broader public believes]].
** More often than not, the above two members of Hate Dumb will fight, for obvious reasons, and cause a vicious cycle of blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). And more often than not, the PC Crusader will fight with other Crusaders over what minority is more oppressed, if a minority should be treated as a sacred cow or like anyone else, etc. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch from the sidelines]], though such debates can descend into extremely ugly or even outright dangerous territory depending on the people involved, as both parties tend to be inordinately fond of dragging it into real life and making it personal. Doxing incidents are common, as are campaigns of orchestrated harassment and attempts to get people fired from their jobs or cost them clients or professional contacts (if they are self-employed), and it can and sometimes does escalate into full-fledged attempts to cause physical harm.

** '''The Mad Homophobe''': A type of Hate Monger who frequently throws around accusations of homosexuality, mostly [[YouKeepUsingThatWord Gay]]. Typically, this is the first thing they say about a character, that they are gay with little justification. Someone is best friends with a member of the same sex? They're gay lovers. Someone isn't interested in romance? They're gay. Someone is asexual? They're gay. Someone is masculine? They're gay. Guy is {{Bishounen}}? He's gay. Anyone was portrayed as gay by fans? They're canonically gay. Often bizarre versions of Love Makes You Hateful — they'll be fine with any romance ''as long as it's not gay''. If it is — oops, not for kids, or HOLY FUCK NOT CANON!!

** '''Made The Wrong Turn''': Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' or Creator/StephenColbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Music/{{Queen}} or Music/XJapan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' or ''Literature/HarryPotter''. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, ''even if that's the point of the work''), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe.

** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': Much like the PC Crusader, the Un-PC Crusader might not always be ''wrong'' in their criticisms; minority characters and works made solely for pandering do exist (and there are a lot of instances of this surprisingly), and a legitimate FlawlessToken is something that should be called out. Many of these critics are minorities themselves, who legitimately want more complex and varied characters representing them. The issue lies, again like the PC Crusader, in ''taking it too far''. Whether or not a character is written just to be a token, or a work is legitimately pandering to make up for its lack of depth, they will still tear it down (along with [[FanHater anyone who enjoys it]]). Even when a work can legitimately be criticized for pandering, [[RightForTheWrongReasons they'll usually direct their criticisms at the apparent fact that the work decided to include a minority character at all]]. The most extreme of these types will even direct their hatred at the creator in a similar vein as the PC Crusader. They may be actual bigots dressing up their bigotry in weasel wording and flimsy excuses, or simply people who got tired of being accused of such for their legitimate criticisms and as a result act in a reactionary manner to what they perceive as pandering or tokenism. If you confront one of them in the wild, expect to be lumped in with the PC Crusader or have the word [=SJW=] thrown at you more than once. Often overlaps with "Complaining about works you didn't take in" as they will often refuse to touch a work with anything they perceive as "pandering", let alone examine it critically and figure out if their perception is true. Their existence often galvanizes The PC Crusader, who will [[AccentuateTheNegative exaggerate their presence and impact as if it's what the broader public believes.]]

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[[folder: '''Author Haters''']]

[[folder: '''The Obsessed Hater''']]

[[folder: '''Hipster Hater''']] An obsessed hater that insists that their obsession with the object of their hate is "ironic", or insist that any work which becomes mainstream has "sold out" and cannot be TrueArt: [[ItsPopularNowItSucks if it's popular, it sucks.]] They cannot be an acknowledged fan to a popular work, so they are this instead. This tends to overlap with business hatred, too. Many of these guys will buy alternate brand names or other such stuff to "Stick it to the man". Expect many of these people to complain about businesses trying to make a profit, such as saying it is "unforgivable" that businesses *gasp* have terms of service or ask ''money'' for their works. Corporate creators have no problems with this sort of Hate Dumb, either.

[[folder: '''Bandwagon Hater''']] Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTargets but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been ''fans'' of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to ''hate'' it. A very good way of spotting this if any CausticCritic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwards, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes ''word for word''. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in FanDumb, as well. This is what the page quote essentially describes; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it, but because the "cool kids" told them to.

[[folder: '''He Panned It Now It Sucks''']]

[[folder: '''StopHavingFunGuys''']]

[[folder: '''NostalgiaFilter''']]

[[folder: '''The Crusader''']] Hating something is SeriousBusiness to these people; it is practically their life's mission is to spread the message of {{Hatedom}} around. The Crusader is frequently launching [[FlameWar Holy wars]] against forums, sometimes even organizing spam-raids on forums, or frequently derailing threads to state why ''they'' think it sucks. These types have been the cause of more work pages being locked on this very wiki than a lot of us are proud of.

[[folder: '''The Purist''']]

[[folder: '''Undercover Fans''']]

[[folder: '''The Science Snob/Armchair Historian''']]

[[folder: '''The Downvoter''']]

[[folder: '''The Negative Nelly''']] These people are similar to the Edgelords on FanDumb, but they don't like the show. They're the ones who claim that the work is bad because it's too positive, often claiming it's [[SweetnessAversion too saccharine]] and/or "[[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids for babies]]". They might demand that the writers make it darker so that it's more "realistic", even though their ideas for "improving" it may amount to something like "make it oversexualized, add gratuitous violence and give it a blindly nihilistic tone". Can overlap with Genre Alien if they actively seek out idealistic works to complain about their lack of "maturity". They can also be Art Critics if they think a comedy is "mindless entertainment". If one character is very positive, they'll often be Hate Mongers, claiming that the character is "useless comic relief" and/or "overly happy". They might also claim the show is "cruel" because of {{Slapstick}}.

These people may not hate the fans, ''per se,'' but they certainly hate the author of the work. While it's natural to be annoyed with someone who has brought a bad show into existence, these people take it so far that it seems to be a personal RoaringRampageOfRevenge. In extreme cases, death threats may ensue. RunningTheAsylum can justify some author hate, but [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope only to a point.]] Author hate can also be justified to an extent, if said author has an [[SmallNameBigEgo inflated ego]], mistreats the fans of their work, or [[UnderminedByReality behaves in ways that directly contradict their own work's themes]], which usually results in their own fans turning against them on top of already-existing author hate. Of course, [[{{Misblamed}} whether the author is truly responsible]] for the contents of the work or changes in the adaptation, or was even truly the creator of the work, doesn't matter: Author haters will blame the head editor for stuff they couldn't have done, or a creator lower on the food chain for events caused by ExecutiveMeddling.

[[folder: '''The Negative Nelly''']] These people are similar to the Edgelords on FanDumb, but they don't like the show. They're the ones who claim that the work is bad because it's too positive, often claiming it's [[TastesLikeDiabetes too saccharine]] and/or "[[SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids for babies]]". They might demand that the writers make it darker so that it's more "realistic", even though their ideas for "improving" it may amount to something like "make it oversexualized, add gratuitous violence and give it a blindly nihilistic tone". Can overlap with Genre Alien if they actively seek out idealistic works to complain about their lack of "maturity". They can also be Art Critics if they think a comedy is "mindless entertainment". If one character is very positive, they'll often be Hate Mongers, claiming that the character is "useless comic relief" and/or "overly happy". They might also claim the show is "cruel" because of {{Slapstick}}.

In a review site, giving a certain media an unfavorable score isn't inherently a bad thing as long as the reasoning is legitimate. Unfortunately, some of them can best be described as a cross between that of a rival fan and somebody complaining about shows they don't watch or like. As the name implies their main form of interest is to go on a review site and give any work on the same 'best' list that somehow got a higher score than the work they are a fan of a score of 0 or 1 out of 10. It does not matter to them whether or not the work is good, or even if they have seen it, the sheer fact that it scores higher on the same list is for them enough justification to give it a score that is that low. These type of haters (together with the FanDumb they may outbalance) can reduce the quality of a review site a lot and lots of review sites have taken measures to prevent this hatedom from doing what it does. (Lemon64 for instance, publishes below its own top 100 games list a list with the most controversial voters, which are people that gave a 1 or 2 out of 10 on the best list or 9 or 10 out of 10 on the 'worst list' in order to make it easier to see to who you should listen and to who not).

[[folder: '''Bandwagon Hater''']] Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTargets but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been ''fans'' of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to ''hate'' it. A very good way of spotting this if any CausticCritic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwords, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes ''word for word''. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in FanDumb, as well. This is what the page quote essentially describes; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it, but because the "cool kids" told them to.

They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of "Complaining about works one didn't take in". Being informed about the work so one isn't blindly complaining [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools is a good thing,]] but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do in liking it. Expect some of these haters to use the InsaneTrollLogic that somehow, ''because'' this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that ''they'' like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom — it's more profitable, and [[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity gives them free advertisement]]. They spread the show word of mouth, people actually see it to see how bad it really is... and they stick around. Plus, buying all of a show's toys just to destroy them isn't the diss than an Obsessed Hater thinks it is -- the Hater still has to pay money to get those toys, which means he's turning a profit for the object of his ire. Don't, under any circumstances, pull the DontLikeDontRead card on them-- while this is a rare instance where that line actually has merit, saying it to an obsessed hater will probably get you an "[[NoYou Oh, but if you don't like my obsessing over this show I hate, then you can just ignore it]]!". In a nutshell, this is the kind of person who claims to have been lost as a customer, yet they keep buying from you again and again. Sometimes they even bring in ''new'' customers who try out of BileFascination and discover CriticalBacklash instead.

[[folder: '''[[StopHavingFunGuys Fandom Reichsbanner]]''']]
The Fandom Reichsbanner will insist that everyone else is doing it wrong. They not only hate the other fans who enjoy it a specific way, but will also insult ''other haters''. These people are often known for having ''very'' specific single-issue criteria when they pick something new, which causes them to have ridiculously high standards. In the worst cases, they'll join a Hatedom because the work they tried to be a fan of was too...''different'' from what they normally like; instead of trying to adapt, they claim it to be crap and that [[FanHater everyone who likes it doesn't know what true fun is]]. Some of these people will go on tangents explaining ''one'' situation they had with a game and then insisting the entire game is like that. Many times; the hatred of new editions, updates, or sequels consist of these people who complain about how the developers are "punishing skill" amongst other things because they assessed widely exploited glitches and shortcomings. Read the article for some more specific examples.