History Main / HateDumb

** '''The Homophobic Hate Monger''': Feel threatened that an attractive (usually) male character or celebrity has lots of fangirls? He's gay. Every fight with ThatOneBoss results getting [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]]? He's gay. The character or celebrity is too popular? He's gay. Just hate the character or celebrity in general? He's ''SO'' gay. For the Homophobic Hate Monger, a disliked character or celebrity defaults to gay, and his level of extreme gayness increases proportionately with the level of hatred the homophobe feels for him. To [[TooDumbToLive this person]], being gay is the worst thing that can happen to a man. The Homophobic Hate Monger's goal is to emasculate the hated character or celebrity to make him less of a threat and in their minds, being homosexual is just the thing that will do it. Expect a lot of insults to also refer to the hated character or celebrity "looking like a woman," because in this hater's mind, the only thing worse than a man being gay is a man having any sort of feminine qualities.

** '''The [[StrawCritic Art Critic]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it!!!1one Some decry video games for "instant gratification" (because God help us if games can't be fun) or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, these guys are even ''more'' harsh on works that are [[LookingAGiftHorseInTheMouth distributed for free]] or something they pirated like video games or movies.

** This sort of idiot is also extraordinarily common in AccentuateTheNegative sites, such as ZeroPunctuation.
* '''The Willfully Blind''': Yes, these exist in HateDumb too. Similar to the willfully blind in FanDumb, the HateDumb variety will refuse to acknowledge any potential strengths or possibly even anything that was done correctly. Even if they are staring it in the face. The willfully blind may also try and convince everyone else to HandWave the strengths because they ''do not exist''. They are prone to AccentuateTheNegative arguments or reviews. Sometimes, they may have a single issue about the work and hate it solely because of that -- usually because they stopped watching afterwards. Expect even in-depth reviews written by this hater to discuss ''only the parts they know and can't stand''. Even if the production staff ran every decision by them, they would complain about how they "weren't asked enough". No matter what, the willfully blind will fixate on a single flaw or ''any'' weaknesses.

* '''[[ItsTheSameNowItSucks Everything is the same]]''': These haters are commonly known for having a minimalistic view of fandoms they don't belong to. Sometimes, entire franchises or genres will attract these types of haters. They will pull the "It's the exact same as this"-card, sometimes [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch without even seeing it]]. They have no moderate or casual likes; they view ''everything'' they aren't an outright fan of narrowly. For instance, somebody who does ''not'' like High-School dramas might view every show set in high school as being like ''Degrassi''. Note that, in such a case, it is possible that they ''like'' ''Degrassi'' and just think all the others are redundant (since they're the same) and thus pointless -- in which case, they're likely a ''''Rival Fan'''.

* '''The Genre Alien''': The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the FoeYay variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and ''then'' complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre [[AnthropicPrinciple what it is]]. (For instance, they might complain about kiss scenes in ''romance movies'' or blood and swearing in ''DieHard'') They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety and changing the story to fit how they would view it as an improvement, (This is not considered constructive criticism in the creative writing field) then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. This brings out a subspecies called '''The Mad Editor''', who frequently suggests a complete rewrite of the work, but they view it as improving it, even if it involves Fanderizing or Bowlderizing the work, [[CharacterDerailment completely derailing the characters]], or [[InNameOnly complete genre-shifts and abandoning the work in its entirety]]. These people often break out in vicious flamewars with types of FanDumb, making it [[GrayAndGrayMorality hard to discern who is who.]] Remember; constructive criticism is an attempt to tell the creator how they can do it better the way ''they'' want to, not how ''you'' want to.

* '''The Genre Alien''': The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the FoeYay variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and ''then'' complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre [[AnthropicPrinciple what it is]]. (For instance, they will complain about kiss scenes in ''romance movies'' or blood and swearing in ''DieHard'') They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety, (This is not considered constructive criticism in the creative writing field) then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. These people often break out in vicious flamewars with types of FanDumb, making it [[GrayAndGrayMorality hard to discern who is who.]]

'''Warning to Tropers''': Please note that if you do plan to add this on a work's page; and you might be right; due to heated [[OpinionMyopia opinions]] related to this, please do follow the RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment before deciding to do so and we strongly recommend putting it in a page's YMMW section if so. Also, do not put this in a page [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow just because someone doesn't like the show]]. At least give a legitimate reason instead of just putting "they just do" or such. And if you're using HateDumb to mean "someone who makes a complaint", you seriously might want to reconsider.

'''Warning to Tropers''': Please note that if you do plan to add this on a work's page; and you might be right; due to heated [[OpinionMyopia opinions]] related to this, please do follow the RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment before deciding to do so and we do recommend putting it in a page's YMMW section if so. Also, do not put this in a page [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow just because someone doesn't like the show]]. At least give a legitimate reason instead of just putting "they just do" or such. And if you're using HateDumb to mean "someone who makes a complaint", you seriously might want to reconsider.

''Warning to Tropers'': Please note that if you do plan to add this on a work's page; and you might be right; due to heated [[OpinionMyopia opinions]] related to this, please do follow the RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment before deciding to do so and we do recommend putting it in a page's YMMW section if so. Also, do not put this in a page [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow just because someone doesn't like the show]]. At least give a legitimate reason instead of just putting "they just do" or such. And if you're using HateDumb to mean "someone who makes a complaint", you seriously might want to reconsider.

Warning: to many a devoted fan, nearly every Hatedom for their fandom is a HateDumb. There is often a broad overlap between people who accuse others of being in a HateDumb and people who enjoy ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Similar to many a devoted hater, nearly every Fandom for their hatedom is FanDumb. This goes to show the polar opposites of it.

** '''The [[StrawCritic Art Critic]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it!!!1one Some decry video games for "instant gratification" (because God help us if games can't be fun) or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types.

* '''The Genre Alien''': The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the FoeYay variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and ''then'' complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre [[AnthropicPrinciple what it is]]. (For instance, they will complain about kiss scenes in ''romance movies'' or blood and swearing in ''DieHard'') These people often break out in vicious flamewars with types of FanDumb, making it [[GrayAndGrayMorality hard to discern who is who.]]

** '''The Homophobic Hate Monger''': Feel threatened that an attractive (usually) male character or celebrity has lots of fangirls? He's gay. Every fight with ThatOneBoss results getting [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]]? He's gay. The character or celebrity is too popular? He's gay. Just hate the character or celebrity in general? He's ''SO'' gay. For the Homophobic Hate Monger, a disliked character or celebrity defaults to gay, and his level of extreme gayness increases proportionately with the level of hatred the homophobe feels for him. To [[TooDumbToLive this person]], being gay is the worst thing that can happen to a man. The Homophobic Hate Monger's goal is to emasculate the hated character or celebrity and in their minds, being homosexual is just the thing that will do it. Expect a lot of insults to also refer to the hated character or celebrity "looking like a woman," because in this hater's mind, the only thing worse than a man being gay is a man having any sort of feminine qualities.

* '''{{Fan Hater}}s''': These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to BlindBashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. ([[{{Twilight}} You know what I mean]]) Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself is somehow affecting one's enjoyment of the series, or affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[hottip:*: Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction but hate others are more rival fans and Fandumb]] Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

** '''The Homophobic Hate Monger''': Feel threatened that an attractive (usually) male character or celebrity has lots of fangirls? He's gay. Every fight with ThatOneBoss results getting [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomped]]? He's gay. The character or celebrity is too popular? He's gay. Just hate the character or celebrity in general? He's ''SO'' gay. For the Homophobic Hate Monger, a disliked character or celebrity defaults to gay, and his level of extreme gayness increases proportionately with the level of hatred the homophobe feels for him. To [[TooDumbToLive this person]], being gay is the worst thing that can happen to a man. The Homophobic Hate Monger's goal is to emasculate the hated character or celebrity, because to them, that cuts them down the most.

* '''{{Fan Hater}}s''': These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to BlindBashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. ([[{{Twilight}} You know what I mean]]) Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself is somehow affecting one's enjoyment of the series, or affects the actual quality of what the authors writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

* '''Bandwagon Hater''': Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTarget but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been ''fans'' of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to ''hate'' it. A very good way of spotting this if any [[AngryVideoGameNerd popular]] [[ZeroPunctuation critic]] (or even the other members of their forum, particularly the admins or moderators) admit their hate to something, and afterwords, start carbon-copying their opinions. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in FanDumb, as well.

* '''The Purist''': One of the most wide encompassing forms of HateDumb, and arguably, an unholy abomination of ''multiple'' kinds of Haters rolled into one entitled person. Purists have an ideal vision on how a franchise can go, but sometimes, Purists can go ''several'' steps beyond just having an ideal view of a franchise. '''The Purist''' can ''also'' have an idealized view of ''the fandom'' of a particular franchise, and even in worst cases, the ''entire market''. Naturally, many of these guys [[FanHaters tend to hate franchises based solely off of the fans themselves]], often citing the fandom as one of the reasons they dislike a franchise, sometimes not even giving it a chance. The Purist also does not stop at just hating fans, but also, they believe that they are the centre (And largest contributer) of the entire market, thus, any and all executive decisions should not be made without consulting them first. Any new demographic being brought into the market, or a simple shift in demographic will not only get the FanDumb crying, but also the haters, because they will ''hate'' these newcomers to the market with almost every passion of their being. Because The Purist has a ''very'' idealised vision of their own fandom; naturally, they are often the type to declare new fans to "not be true fans" of the series, any new entries to "Not be true entries". ''VERY'' prone to TheyChangedItNowItSucks-type arguments. There are also versions of the Purist who will simply point out any shift/expansion in demographic to be a reason ''why'' it sucks. One of the most baffling puzzles about this type of hater is that, for some reason, they endlessly [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike carry on about series/genres they don't like that are STILL on]] for simply existing; the option of ignoring these has not crossed their minds at all, because in their mind, the fact that a show they don't like is ''still'' on the air and making money is ''somehow'' affecting the quality of their other show. Amongst long essays about how new Johnny-Come-Latelys have ruined the market/fandom/show forever, as well as how it was better when it wasn't popular, also expect Slippery Slope type arguments about ''why'' it is bad, and how they expect FollowTheLeader to come against them. (Once more, mentioning a ''similar'' argument about any FollowTheLeader type stuff against ''your'' interests will not be responded to, at best, or countered with an essay on how wrong you are and how you have no taste.)

* '''Anne (or [[DistaffCounterpart Andy]]) Titlement''': Anne Titlement is a type of hater who claims that nobody makes the kinds of work ''they'' enjoy anymore, or that there isn't enough of it. Any examples of that work or related works (by genre or by creator sometimes) have already been enjoyed and Anne Titlement wants more. Well, that's valid, right? Not when it means you begin viciously attacking ''everything'' else. This type of hater is shocked, ''[[{{Casablanca}} shocked]]'' that something was made without ''them'' in mind. And if you are a fan of such a work, then [[FanHater it's your fault that nothing "good" is made anymore]]. Anne Titlement often views things through a sharp NostalgiaFilter. In their mind, hating something is never ''their'' fault. Unfortunately, this type of entitlement is practically ''encouraged'' in {{Film}} and VideoGames.

Warning: to many a devoted fan, nearly every Hatedom for their fandom is a HateDumb. There is often a broad overlap between people who accuse others of being in a HateDumb and people who enjoy ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Similar to many a devoted hater, nearly every Fandom for their hatedom is FanDumb. This goes to show the polar opposites of it.

HateDumb is the polar opposite of FanDumb, it always exists, and where there is FanDumb, there is HateDumb.

Warning: to many a devoted fan, nearly every Hatedom for their fandom is a HateDumb. There is often a broad overlap between people who accuse others of being in a HateDumb and people who enjoy ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow.

* '''The Judge''': The Judge is found in both FanDumb and HateDumb. They are a SingleIssueWonk. They are prone to statements such as "I judge people based on whether or not they have seen..."

* '''{{Fan Hater}}s''': These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to BlindBashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. ([[{{Twilight}} You know what I mean]]) Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

** A subset of the above, '''[[PeripheryHatedom The Barney Execution Squad]]''': They hate something that ''clearly'' was ''not'' made with ''them'' in mind. Rather than ignore it, they hate it with every fiber of their being, as if it were forcefully downloading itself onto their computer and forcing them to watch. Often these people will make "parodies" of it on sites like Newgrounds (which often involve sexual innuendo, murder, or drug-use) or splice footage of them into YouTubePoop videos where they make them say "I want to f*** you!". See '''PeripheryHatedom''' for more explanation.
*** '''The Barney Execution Squad''' can be explained very easily. Parents are forced to watch what their children watch. They will hate it, as it was not made for them. They will vent their hatred wherever socially acceptable. Gradually, the stance of hatred becomes associated memetically with adulthood and maturity - thus explaining its spreading to adolescents and other people who just don't have to watch the show.

* '''{{Fan Hater}}s''': These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to BlindBashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. ([[{{Twilight}} You know what I mean]]). Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

* '''{{Fan Hater}}s''': These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to BlindBashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheshow ([[{{Twilight}} You know what I mean]]) Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

* '''{{Fan Hater}}s''': These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to BlindBashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.

** A subset of the above, '''[[PeripheryHatedom The Barney Execution Squad]]''': They hate something that ''clearly'' was ''not'' made with ''them'' in mind. Rather than ignore it, they hate it with every fiber of their being, as if it were forcefully downloading itself onto their computer and forcing them to watch. Often these people will make "parodies" of it on sites like Newgrounds (which often involve sexual innuendo, murder, or drug-use) or splice footage of them into YouTubePoop videos where they make them say "I want to f*** you!". See '''TheBarney''' for more explanation.
*** '''TheBarney Execution Squad''' can be explained very easily. Parents are forced to watch what their children watch. They will hate it, as it was not made for them. They will vent their hatred wherever socially acceptable. Gradually, the stance of hatred becomes associated memetically with adulthood and maturity - thus explaining its spreading to adolescents and other people who just don't have to watch the show.

** A subset of the above, '''TheBarney Execution Squad''': They hate something that ''clearly'' was ''not'' made with ''them'' in mind. Rather than ignore it, they hate it with every fiber of their being, as if it were forcefully downloading itself onto their computer and forcing them to watch. Often these people will make "parodies" of it on sites like Newgrounds (which often involve sexual innuendo, murder, or drug-use) or splice footage of them into YouTubePoop videos where they make them say "I want to f*** you!". See '''TheBarney''' for more explanation.

* '''Bandwagon Hater''': Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTarget but deny having anything but hate towards it. A very good way of spotting this if any [[AngryVideoGameNerd popular]] [[ZeroPunctuation critic]] (or even the other members of their forum, particularly the admins or moderators) admit their hate to something, and afterwords, start carbon-copying their opinions. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own.

** ''IWasJustPassingThrough:'' FoeYay fans who claim, not just that they hate the show, but that they've found something better. Yet, no matter what, they are true to their original HateDumb despite the new show. Their perverse attachement to the old hated work is often stronger than that to the show they claim to be a fan of -- assuming they aren't Gushing About Shows They Don't Watch.

*'''{{Fan Hater}}s''': These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. {{Fan Hater}}s are prone to BlindBashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this sterotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman/ In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.