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** This is taken UpToEleven by some of the older supernatural entities. You can expect vampires to dress in Middle Ages royal attire at formal functions and Elves to always be good guests even when not invited. Even demons speak in Old English styles. Old rules of hospitality and honor run deep inside of them and violating it is very poor form. That said, if the Good Old Ways do allow for ways to kill you, they will go for it.

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** This is taken UpToEleven Exaggerated by some of the older supernatural entities. You can expect vampires to dress in Middle Ages royal attire at formal functions and Elves to always be good guests even when not invited. Even demons speak in Old English styles. Old rules of hospitality and honor run deep inside of them and violating it is very poor form. That said, if the Good Old Ways do allow for ways to kill you, they will go for it.
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** In a less depressing example from the setting, this is the entire shtick of the [[ClanOfHats Snakebites clan]], who appear to be four parts tribalistic counterpart to the rest of the Orks, and one part expy of the WFB Orcs.

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** In a less depressing example from the setting, this is the entire shtick of the [[ClanOfHats [[GangOfHats Snakebites clan]], who appear to be four parts tribalistic counterpart to the rest of the Orks, and one part expy of the WFB Orcs.
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Contrast ManOfWealthAndTaste. Compare TheyChangedItNowItSucks; NostalgiaFilter; and all of their related tropes.

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Contrast ManOfWealthAndTaste. Also contrast EvilReactionary. Compare TheyChangedItNowItSucks; NostalgiaFilter; and all of their related tropes.
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* As noted in the page quote, [[BornInTheWrongCentury Lord Katsumoto]] from ''Film/TheLastSamurai'' is a {{Samurai}} traditonalist who [[DoesntLikeGuns views western firearms as dishonourable]] and [[HonorBeforeReason refuses to use them even though his enemies use them a lot]]. Not only would this make him foolish but also historically inaccurate - the samurai in real life were ''very'' impressed with Portuguese matchlocks when they first encountered them, and adopted them readily. However as he is defending his homeland from an invasive alien culture [[EvilColonialist that views Japanese traditions as barbaric]], the film's sympathies lie squarely with him.
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* The entire genre of FolkMusic is explicitly rooted in traditional forms and good old songs.
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* Kazuma Kiryu of the ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' series is a firm believer in the classical depiction of the yakuza lifestyle: that of being a protector of the community with a sense of honor and fair play, who doesn't exploit civilians and proudly wears his allegiance to the cause for all to see. Much of the conflict of the series is Kiryu's idealism running smack into the reality of running a 21st century criminal enterprise, where the new generations discard honor and tradition for pragmatism and profit.

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* Kazuma Kiryu of the ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' series is a firm believer in the classical depiction of the yakuza {{yakuza}} lifestyle: that of being a protector of the community with a sense of honor and fair play, who doesn't exploit civilians and proudly wears his allegiance to the cause for all to see. Much of the conflict of the series is Kiryu's idealism running smack into the reality of running a 21st century criminal enterprise, where the new generations discard honor and tradition for pragmatism and profit.



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* A villain version in ''WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot'', where [[BigBad Ruber]] expresses in his villain song his desire to return to the "good old bad days". Said "good old bad days" were from the time before KingArthur took Excalibur out of the stone, when the earth was ravaged by war and chaos.

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* A villain version in ''WesternAnimation/QuestForCamelot'', where [[BigBad Ruber]] expresses in his villain song his desire to return to the "good old bad days". Said "good old bad days" were from the time before KingArthur Myth/KingArthur took Excalibur out of the stone, when the earth was ravaged by war and chaos.
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->''"It's your father's lightsaber. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age."''
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->''"It's your father's lightsaber. This is ->'''Graham:''' Katsumoto no longer dishonors himself by using firearms, you see.\\
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the weapon of old ways, Katsumoto is a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon for a more... civilized age."''
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* Kazuma Kiryu of the ''VideoGame/{{Yakuza}}'' series is a firm believer in the classical depiction of the yakuza lifestyle: that of being a protector of the community with a sense of honor and fair play, who doesn't exploit civilians and proudly wears his allegiance to the cause for all to see. Much of the conflict of the series is Kiryu's idealism running smack into the reality of running a 21st century criminal enterprise, where the new generations discard honor and tradition for pragmatism and profit.
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This character [[OutdatedOutfit dresses in an old-fashioned manner]], uses old courtesies and practices things that have fallen by the wayside since YeGoodeOldeDays. Obviously a good man -- the writer is using his adherence to the Good Old Ways to signal it, as a convenient shorthand.

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This character [[OutdatedOutfit dresses in an old-fashioned manner]], uses old courtesies and practices things that have fallen by the wayside since YeGoodeOldeDays. Obviously a good man person -- the writer is using her or his adherence to the Good Old Ways to signal it, as a convenient shorthand.
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* In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', it seems that Britain, (or perhaps merely London), has apparently decided to keep their iconic [[PhoneBooth red telephone boxes]] well into the 22nd century, despite having numerous forms of interstellar communication technology on hand that render such devices obsolete. Of course, it's entirely possible this is merely the facade, while the internal workings are [[SchizoTech standard 2186 technology]].

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* In ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', it seems that Britain, (or perhaps merely London), has apparently decided to keep their iconic [[PhoneBooth red telephone boxes]] boxes well into the 22nd century, despite having numerous forms of interstellar communication technology on hand that render such devices obsolete. Of course, it's entirely possible this is merely the facade, while the internal workings are [[SchizoTech standard 2186 technology]].
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* Somewhat the point of the Purity philosophy in ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth''. The universe is a cold, dark place, and even though it has had to leave Earth, humanity needs to cling to it's past and it's identity. Maybe that's why their [[PoweredArmor Battlesuits]] are styled to look like Roman legionnaires.

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* Somewhat the point of the Purity philosophy in ''VideoGame/CivilizationBeyondEarth''. The universe is a cold, dark place, and even though it has had to leave Earth, humanity needs to cling to it's its past and it's its identity. Maybe that's why their [[PoweredArmor Battlesuits]] are styled to look like Roman legionnaires.
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** This is the hat of the Minbari. Quite well drawn though [[OurElvesAreBetter less mundane]] than similar human cultures actually are in practice. Both the virtues and the faults of traditionalist cultures are well shown. Minbari are often loyal, brave and honorable but they can also be bigoted and vicious. Still, when one sees Minbari act, one can actually believe in them and it is a tribute to the writer and perhaps the actors (Mira Furlan was a Croatian exile and might have had the advantage of being able to act what she knew to some extent).

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** This is the hat of the Minbari. Quite well drawn though [[OurElvesAreBetter [[SpaceElves less mundane]] than similar human cultures actually are in practice. Both the virtues and the faults of traditionalist cultures are well shown. Minbari are often loyal, brave and honorable but they can also be bigoted and vicious. Still, when one sees Minbari act, one can actually believe in them and it is a tribute to the writer and perhaps the actors (Mira Furlan was a Croatian exile and might have had the advantage of being able to act what she knew to some extent).

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* VideoGame/TheSims 3 expansion pack ''Supernatural'' adds the "proper" trait, allowing a Sim to "discuss matters of ettiquette" and the like.

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* VideoGame/TheSims 3 Given ''VideoGame/NamuAmidaButsuUtena'''s modern setting and ModernizedGod cast, Bishamonten stands out with his samurai-like AntiquatedLinguistics speech and sporting the Taishō era intellectual look for internal affairs.
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* A big part of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''. In a BadFuture dominated by evil robots and crazy advanced technology, the titular hero really stands out with his traditional gi, his hat, his sandals, his SamuraiPonytail and his magic katana. When he's shown to have abandoned these for heavy armor, guns, and a motorcycle in Season 5, it's a clear indicator that something has gone ''[[DespairEventHorizon very]]'' wrong in Jack's psyche.

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* A big part of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''. ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack'':
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In a BadFuture dominated by evil robots and crazy advanced technology, the titular hero Jack himself really stands out with his traditional gi, his hat, his sandals, his SamuraiPonytail and his magic katana. When he's shown to have abandoned these for heavy armor, guns, and a motorcycle in Season 5, it's a clear indicator that something has gone ''[[DespairEventHorizon very]]'' wrong in Jack's psyche.psyche.
** In the Season 2 episode "Jack's Sandals", Jack meets a Japanese family who runs the Tengu Jet repair shop. Despite being far in the future, the family practices as many traditional Japanese customs as possible (like making Jack some new wooden sandals by hand) as a way of rebelling against [[BigBad Aku]]. Jack, being from ancient Japan himself, greatly appreciates the reminders of home.
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* A big part of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''. In a BadFuture dominated by evil robots and crazy advanced technology, the titular hero really stands out with his traditional gi, his hat, his sandals, his SamuraiPonytail and his magic katana.

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* A big part of ''WesternAnimation/SamuraiJack''. In a BadFuture dominated by evil robots and crazy advanced technology, the titular hero really stands out with his traditional gi, his hat, his sandals, his SamuraiPonytail and his magic katana. When he's shown to have abandoned these for heavy armor, guns, and a motorcycle in Season 5, it's a clear indicator that something has gone ''[[DespairEventHorizon very]]'' wrong in Jack's psyche.
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* ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'': The stated goals of the Stormcloaks are as follows: expel the Empire and their Thalmor puppetmasters, crown Ulfric Stormcloak as High King, lift the ban on the worship of [[DeityOfHumanOrigin Talos]], reinstate traditional Nord laws and customs that have been gradually eroded by years of Imperial rule, and rebuild Skyrim's economy and military to prepare for a future war with the Dominion.
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** A darker example shows up at the beginning of the ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' Mirror Universe two-parter, when Reed and Phlox show off their new [[AgonyBeam "Agony Booth"]]. Captain Forrest comments "There's something to be said for a good old-fashioned [[CorporalPunishment flogging]]."
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* ''Literature/ThePlaceInsideTheStorm'': Tara, Loki, and Xel spend four days staying with a family of [[Creator/HenryDavidThoreau Thoreauvians]] who live mostly off the land, without modern conveniences like electricity. They're the happiest and among the kindest of the people the protagonists meet on their journey, and don't miss technology at all.
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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum'', [[OldRetainer Igor]] revives the old vampire to deal with the odious innovations of the younger generations. The witches and the mob agree that the old master had been better: he had played fair. In a twist by the time he shows up this regard is all that keeps the vampires from being wiped out; he held back and played fair because it encourages the humans to do the same.
** In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', Angua complains that barbaric as her father had been, he had played fair with such customs as the hunt; her brother had corrupted things.
** In ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'', the wizards are big on traditions, the changing of rules is justified by finding an ''old'' set of rules in the urn, and Glenda objects to mucking with the rules because football is not supposed to keep up with the times.
** In ''Discworld/{{Eric}}'', a demon grumbles about how the new King of Hell is ruining things; there was a time when the damned were not just numbers, but ''victims''.

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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's ''Discworld/CarpeJugulum'', ''Literature/CarpeJugulum'', [[OldRetainer Igor]] revives the old vampire to deal with the odious innovations of the younger generations. The witches and the mob agree that the old master had been better: he had played fair. In a twist by the time he shows up this regard is all that keeps the vampires from being wiped out; he held back and played fair because it encourages the humans to do the same.
** In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', ''Literature/TheFifthElephant'', Angua complains that barbaric as her father had been, he had played fair with such customs as the hunt; her brother had corrupted things.
** In ''Discworld/UnseenAcademicals'', ''Literature/UnseenAcademicals'', the wizards are big on traditions, the changing of rules is justified by finding an ''old'' set of rules in the urn, and Glenda objects to mucking with the rules because football is not supposed to keep up with the times.
** In ''Discworld/{{Eric}}'', ''Literature/{{Eric}}'', a demon grumbles about how the new King of Hell is ruining things; there was a time when the damned were not just numbers, but ''victims''.
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Not all Good Old Ways are entirely good; the characters may concede their faults but point out that only their virtues have been lost, as when a violent and courageous race loses its courage but not its taste for violence. EvenEvilHasStandards can be a form of Good Old Ways.

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Not all Good Old Ways are entirely good; the characters may concede their faults but point out that only their virtues have been lost, as when a violent and courageous race loses its courage but not its taste for violence. But it’s just as possible that a character confronted with this will either [[EvilReactionary try to defend the old ways’ “faults”]] or [[NoTrueScotsman attribute past social problems to people not following them all the way]]. EvenEvilHasStandards can be a form of Good Old Ways.



* Leonard [=McCoy=] from ''Series/{{Star Trek|TheOriginalSeries}}'' both enforces and subverts this trope. He's rabidly in favor of fighting the dehumanizing effects of too much technology (especially the transporter) in favor of enjoying "the simple things in life", and yet sees "primitive 20th-century medicine" as just above trepanation, leeches, and blood-letting in its barbarity, preferring the "high tech approach" to healing. In general, he embraces the positive, constructive aspects of technological progress rather than the destructive or dehumanizing ones. This gets a LampshadeHanging in the book ''[[Literature/StarTrekDepartmentOfTemporalInvestigations Forgotten History]]'', where a character is surprised to hear [=McCoy=] railing against the past because she thought he was suspicious of modernity, and he replies "I'm suspicious of all kinds of things."

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* Leonard [=McCoy=] from ''Series/{{Star Trek|TheOriginalSeries}}'' both enforces and subverts this trope. He's rabidly in favor of fighting the dehumanizing effects of too much technology (especially the transporter) in favor of enjoying "the simple things in life", and yet sees "primitive 20th-century medicine" as just above trepanation, leeches, and blood-letting in its barbarity, preferring the "high tech approach" to healing. TruthInTelevision, since this is how many conservative-minded people view scientific progress in real life. In general, he embraces the positive, constructive aspects of technological progress rather than the destructive or dehumanizing ones. This gets a LampshadeHanging in the book ''[[Literature/StarTrekDepartmentOfTemporalInvestigations Forgotten History]]'', where a character is surprised to hear [=McCoy=] railing against the past because she thought he was suspicious of modernity, and he replies "I'm suspicious of all kinds of things."
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* ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'': Subverted by the Dwarf High King, Thorgrim Grudgebearer. Thorgrim's active efforts to retake fallen dwarfholds and achieve restitution for the grudges listed in the Dammaz Kron make many hail him as a throwback to the great kings of the dwarf kingdom's golden age. However, in his actual policies, Thorgrim is about as radical as it is possible for a dwarf to be, pushing innovation in manufacturing techniques, weapons development, financial reform and social change in ways many other dwarfs consider to be wildly irresponsible.
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* Oddly enough for a brutish mercenary, Canderous Ordo of ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' admits that the Mandalorians cannot go on fighting the way they once did, and is often ''furious'' at the Mandalorian mercenaries and bandits seen in the game, which he sees as embarrassments to the armor. At the end of the first game, he expresses a desire to do more with his life and preserve the ways of his people so they'll be remembered. By the second game, he's taken the title and helm of Mandalore - ''Mandalore the Preserver'' (Te Taylir Mand'alor). [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic Three centuries on]], a splinter faction of Mando'ade, unhappy with the current Mandalore (an Imperial puppet) call themselves "Preservers" and follow ''his'' teachings as The Good Old Ways, only to be [[ShootTheShaggyDog unceremoniously crushed]] and their leader exiled to Taris.

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* Oddly enough for a brutish mercenary, Canderous Ordo of ''KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' ''VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic'' admits that the Mandalorians cannot go on fighting the way they once did, and is often ''furious'' at the Mandalorian mercenaries and bandits seen in the game, which he sees as embarrassments to the armor. At the end of the first game, he expresses a desire to do more with his life and preserve the ways of his people so they'll be remembered. By the second game, he's taken the title and helm of Mandalore - ''Mandalore the Preserver'' (Te Taylir Mand'alor). [[VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic Three centuries on]], a splinter faction of Mando'ade, unhappy with the current Mandalore (an Imperial puppet) call themselves "Preservers" and follow ''his'' teachings as The Good Old Ways, only to be [[ShootTheShaggyDog unceremoniously crushed]] and their leader exiled to Taris.
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* There is also Turner D. Century, a supervillain who is dedicated to forcing society to change back to what it was before UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. He was eventually killed off by the Scourge of the Underworld, a character created ''specifically'' for killing off minor and/or ill-conceived villains.

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* The virtues and faults of this attitude are a theme in ''Literature/AlienInASmallTown,'' a novel about what has become of [[UsefulNotes/{{Amish}} the Pennsylvania Dutch]] in TheFuture.
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* ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} and his partner/lover Hawkgirl[=/=]Hawkwoman ([[ContinuitySnarl It's complicated]]) frequently use maces, spears and other primitive weapons against criminals. Justified in that they are both reincarnations of ancient Egyptian lovers; furthermore, the weapons are made up of the mystical Nth metal which has anti-gravity and sometimes anti-magic properties. Subverted during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] when they were extra-terrestrials from a world that had developed FTL starships. Nowadays it varies though the reincarnation cycle started when they found a ship of a world with the same name and touched it.

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* ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} and his partner/lover Hawkgirl[=/=]Hawkwoman ([[ContinuitySnarl It's complicated]]) frequently use maces, spears and other primitive weapons against criminals. Justified in that they are both reincarnations of ancient Egyptian lovers; furthermore, the weapons are made up of the mystical Nth metal which has anti-gravity and sometimes anti-magic properties. Subverted during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] when they were extra-terrestrials from a world that had developed FTL starships.starships, but had come to Earth to study "primitive" ways of dealing with crime, because crimes [[ItAmusedMe born of boredom]] were increasing in Thanagar's post-scarcity society. Nowadays it varies though the reincarnation cycle started when they found a ship of a world with the same name and touched it.
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** In the [[Literature/TheGenesisFleet prequels]], Geary's ancestor has to struggle against the new ways of the Old Earth SpaceNavy that frowns upon initiative and demands strict adherence to established protocols. When put in command of what's left of the Glenlyon SpaceNavy, he puts officers capable of making their own decisions in charge. His predecessor is dead because he refused to go against the checklists and listen to his gut.
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* ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} and his partner/lover Hawkgirl[=/=]Hawkwoman ([[ContinuitySnarl It's complicated]]) frequently use maces, spears and other primitive weapons against criminals. Justified in that they're reincarnations of ancient Egyptian lovers; furthermore, the weapons are made up of the mystical Nth metal which has anti-gravity and sometimes anti-magic properties. Subverted during the Silver Age when they were extra-terrestrials from a world that had developed FTL starships. Nowadays it varies though the reincarnation cycle started when they found a ship of a world with the same name and touched it.

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* ComicBook/{{Hawkman}} and his partner/lover Hawkgirl[=/=]Hawkwoman ([[ContinuitySnarl It's complicated]]) frequently use maces, spears and other primitive weapons against criminals. Justified in that they're they are both reincarnations of ancient Egyptian lovers; furthermore, the weapons are made up of the mystical Nth metal which has anti-gravity and sometimes anti-magic properties. Subverted during the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age Age]] when they were extra-terrestrials from a world that had developed FTL starships. Nowadays it varies though the reincarnation cycle started when they found a ship of a world with the same name and touched it.

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