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* ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' features "Salamando" as the elemental spirit of fire who grants you fire magic.
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* In ''VideoGame/ChronoCross'', Salamander is the stronger of the two red elemental summons. He's apparently the Red Dragon's pet.
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* In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards called Dodongo.
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* In ''LightNovel/TheFamiliarOfZero'', Kirche's familiar is Flame, a fire-breathing salamander the size of a large dog.
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* ''{{Heartcore}}'' features Carval Jarvoc and his predecessor Volaster, both Salamander [[OurDemonsAreDifferent demons]]. They specialize in a unique form of BloodMagic: their dark flammable blood can be used to create powerful explosives, ranging from bombs as powerful as dynamite to [[FantasticNuke Fantastic Nukes]].
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* ''Literature/AFantasyAttraction'' has a small salamander being tossed around by a wyvern flock.
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In fiction, it's not uncommon to see reptiles being associated with fire. After all, Dragons are often portrayed as reptilian, and it's common knowledge that they breath fire. Plus, dinosaurs have often been associated with volcanoes and lava. Being cold-blooded, reptiles are more comfortable with warm climates, especially lizards, who like to rest under the sun, which is pretty much symbolic to fire. And let's face it, [[RuleOfCool the concept of a giant lizard breathing fire, swimming in lava and living in volcanos is just plain awesome]].
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* In ''AdventureQuest'', the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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* In ''AdventureQuest'', ''VideoGame/AdventureQuest'', the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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* In the NES game ''TheBattleOfOlympus'', the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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* In ''VideoGame/LaMulana'', the Tower of Ruin has salamanders that can float around as flames.
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': Roy Mustang, [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him to]] PlayWithFire.
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': Roy Mustang, [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him to]] PlayWithFire.[[PlayingWithFire Play With Fire]].
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* In the ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
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* The ''Pinball/{{KISS}}'' pinball table shows two snakes (with tiny green wings) leaping out of a mushroom cloud while breathing fire.
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* In {{Farenheit 451}}, the fireman are emblemized by a salamander, to go with their purpose of ''starting'' fires.
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* ''VideoGame/SkiesOfArcadia'': Salamanders are common in the Temple of Pyrnn.
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* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfDragoon'''s RandomEncounters in Volcano Villude contain a four-legged, fire-breathing monster simple called Salamander, but it looks more like a bull dog than anything else.
* ''VideoGame/KirbysEpicYarn'' has a common Salamander enemy appearing in Dino Jungle that can turn into a ball of fire.
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* In the ''Narnia'' book ''Literature/TheSilverChair'', the freed gnomes tell the protagonists about their underground homeland Bism, which features friendly and talkative fire lizards that live in the lava rivers. As the gnomes leap down into the abyss leading to Bism, the heroes hear a voice urging the gnomes to hurry, which they wonder if it was a fire lizard.
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* In TheObsidianTrilogy, these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
* Some books in the Literature/{{Redwall}} series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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* In TheObsidianTrilogy, ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'', these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
*Some books A prominent location in the Literature/{{Redwall}} ''Literature/{{Redwall}}'' series feature features the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.Salamandastron. There are actually neither dragons nor salamanders there, but the Badger Lords of the mountain encourage the myth.
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* Some salamanders show up in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
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* Some salamanders show up in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', enjoying the roaring blaze they're in. The tie-in book ''Literature/FantasticBeastsAndWhereToFindThem'' explains that they can survive out of fire for six hours if regularly fed pepper.
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fire. And let's face it, [[RuleOfCool the concept of a giant lizard breathing fire and living in vulcanos is just plain awesome]].
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sun, which is pretty much symbolic to fire.
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* Similar to Natsu above, the title character of the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series also bears "Salamander" as an InUniverseNickname. In her case the name comes from her always being in the most destructive, plot-relevant battles; or rather for "always being where the fires burn hottest."
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* Similar to Natsu above, the The title character of the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' series also bears "Salamander" as an InUniverseNickname. In her case the name comes from her always being in the most destructive, plot-relevant battles; or rather for "always being where the fires burn hottest."
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* In the first ''{{Xanth}}'' book, Bink is transformed into a flame-throwing salamander so he can completely incinerate a swarm of teleporting wiggles, worms that create holes by teleporting short distances and telefragging everything they contact with.
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In fiction, it's not uncommon to see reptiles being associated with fire. After all, Dragons are often portrayed as reptilian, and it's common knowledge that they breath fire. Plus, Dinosaurs have often been associated with vulcanos and lava, and, being cold-blooded, reptiles are more confortable with warm climates, especially lizards, who like to rest under the sun.
The trope is named after the Salamander, a mythological animal despicted as a fire-breathing lizard or a wingless dragon. Nowaday, the name is given to a real animal who actually isn't a real reptile, but a small amphibian with a lizard-like shape. However, Alchemists would often attribute them mystical proprerties, such as the ability to survive fire, or even extinguish it by the mere coldness or their blood. As a result, the legendary counterpart of the salamander stayed in the memory, and has been raised to the rank of ElementalEmbodiment of Fire.
The trope is named after the Salamander, a mythological animal despicted as a fire-breathing lizard or a wingless dragon. Nowaday, the name is given to a real animal who actually isn't a real reptile, but a small amphibian with a lizard-like shape. However, Alchemists would often attribute them mystical proprerties, such as the ability to survive fire, or even extinguish it by the mere coldness or their blood. As a result, the legendary counterpart of the salamander stayed in the memory, and has been raised to the rank of ElementalEmbodiment of Fire.
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In fiction, it's not uncommon to see reptiles being associated with fire. After all, Dragons are often portrayed as reptilian, and it's common knowledge that they breath fire. Plus, Dinosaurs dinosaurs have often been associated with vulcanos volcanoes and lava, and, being lava. Being cold-blooded, reptiles are more confortable comfortable with warm climates, especially lizards, who like to rest under the sun.
The trope is named after theSalamander, salamander, a mythological animal despicted depicted as a fire-breathing lizard or a wingless dragon. Nowaday, the name is given to a real animal who actually isn't a real reptile, but a small amphibian with a lizard-like shape. However, Alchemists alchemists would often attribute them mystical proprerties, properties, such as the ability to survive fire, or even extinguish it by the mere coldness or their blood. As a result, the legendary counterpart of the salamander stayed in the memory, and has been raised to the rank of ElementalEmbodiment of Fire.Fire.
The trope is named after the
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Since ReptilesAreAbhorrent, expect a frequent assocation to [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Demons]], HellFire and FireAndBrimstoneHell. Exceptions do exist, however: a dragon or dinosaur-themed protagonist can sometimes be associated with fire as a way to reinforce his [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy hot-blooded temper and bravery]] rather than his evil nature. Those exceptions seem to be especially popular in japanese culture, where the connection of reptiles and dragons with evil isn't as strong as it is in occident.
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Since ReptilesAreAbhorrent, expect a frequent assocation association to [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Demons]], HellFire and FireAndBrimstoneHell. Exceptions do exist, however: a dragon or dinosaur-themed protagonist can sometimes be associated with fire as a way to reinforce his [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy hot-blooded temper and bravery]] rather than his evil nature. Those exceptions seem to be especially popular in japanese culture, where the connection of reptiles and dragons with evil isn't as strong as it is in occident.
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* ''VideoGame/SecretOfMana'' features "Salamando" as the elemental spirit of fire who grants you fire magic.
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** the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
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* ''Shadowrun'' has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
* MagicTheGathering has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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* ''Shadowrun'' ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'' has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
*MagicTheGathering ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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* ''[[VideoGame/{{Fallout3}} Fallout 3]]'' has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
* ''[[DungeonKeeper Dungeon Keeper 2]]'' has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
* In AdventureQuest, the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in VideoGame/TheWitcher is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
* In the NES game TheBattleOfOlympus, the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
* In AdventureQuest, the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in VideoGame/TheWitcher is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
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* French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem. The creature was portrayed as a wingless dragon breathing fire.
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We could use a better title if only to make clear this isn't a reptilian version of YouSexyBeast. FieryLizard?
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That could work. I also thought about things like Flaming Lizard, but that sounds better.
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This may have to do with salamanders and their reputed ability to withstand fire. Paracelsus even listed salamanders as pure fire elementals.
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True. I'll add this to the list.
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I'd like to see some elaboration about the salamander, since I think that's the source of this trope.
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In ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards.
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We already got quite a lot of examples of fiery salamanders in AlchemicElementals, you know.
EDIT: @[=Theokal3=] below. We got some information of our own on the page I linked above (it's under [[AC:Myths and Folklore]]).
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I'd love to elaborate this point, but I have so far failed to find a reliable source of detailed informations about the Salamander. Any piece of information is welcome.
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This could be a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent.
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Paradisesnake: I have visited the page and use the piece of informations in it; thank you.
Dragonquestz: Thanks, I have already added this to the page.
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Might I suggest FlamingSalamander, considering the traditional elemental association?
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I thought about it or Fiery Salamander, but since Salamanders aren't really reptiles, I am hesitating. Maybe I should modify the the laconic description to specify both reptiles and salamanders are subjects to this trope ?
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^ I looked up the etymology of the word, and from [[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=salamander here]] and [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salamander here]], it seems the word used to be about a fire breathing lizard, not the amphibian we know now.
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that might be a problem... should we rewrite the page according to this ?
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^ Just to note that "salamander" was originally about a reptile, so still counts as this.
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Okay, I did what I could. Hope it's good.
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The TwilightPrincess Death Mountain lizards are called Dodongos.
* {{Berserk}}: the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders.
* WarcraftIII: Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* GoldenSun: The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* Warhammer40K: Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the Salamanders Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Some salamanders show up in HarryPotter, enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* The French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem.
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^ To add on that ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' example, the fire spirits are not only shaped like salamanders, but they are actually ''called'' salamanders in-universe. Also, the name of Isidro's weapon is ''Salamander Dagger''.
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You know Salamanders were real reptiles that are now extinct? They were pretty large small crocodile-snake hybrid lizards.
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I added those to the exemples. Thanks a lot for taking part in completing this page.
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lakingsif: I never heard of this. Do you have reliable sources ?
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I dunno, google it? There was just a bit of a disagreement further up the comments. Yeah, sorry they were amphibians, not reptiles. Just type 'salamanders' into google.
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They ''are'' amphibians and still exist.
mythologcical fiery salamanders have existed in folklore and fiction probably stemming back to a real salamanders tendency to be caught running out of burning logs and firewood.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* In older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
[[AC:VideoGames]]
* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'' it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
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Should probably link to AlchemicElementals as that talks about Salamanders in the myth section.
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[[AC:WebComics]]
* In ''GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire [[spoiler:that killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
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Would HonorHarrington count here? Her nickname *is* 'The Salamander' after all.
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^ Did you even see the laconic? You shouldn't reply based on the name alone (no, I'm not denying I ever did something that dumb).
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[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': [[ColonelBadass Roy Mustang]], [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him]] to [[PlayingWithFire Play with Fire.]]
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* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
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Italicized and {{Name Space}}d the examples plus did some formatting.
EDIT: By the way, the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' example [[ZeroContextExample needs context.]]
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Fallout 3 has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
Dungeon Keeper 2 has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
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Thanks; I added those exemples and add context for Agumon.
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Tabletop Games
Shadowrun has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Natsu Dragneel's InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
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Moved ''Pokemon'' to the video game section. The video games were first after all, not the anime.
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Any good pictures for the trope?
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Maybe one of [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Salamanders_in_art these]]?
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^ Don't see any with fire. I'll look up a few.
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Trying to find a picture of Charmander from ''Pokemon'' breathing fire. No such luck yet.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
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[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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^ I think the last two could make a good page image, if we can find larger versions.
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^ Something like [[http://www.donatoart.com/magic/lavarunner.jpg this?]]
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^ Hell yeah. Anyone else think so?
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^Love it.
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* In ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'' these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
Video Games:
* In ''VideoGame/AdventureQuest'' the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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The Eragon Cycle-one of the main charecters is Saphira, a blue dragon. There are more examples, but I can't remember their names...give me a minute
-Galbotorix,the evil immortal tyrant,has a black dragon named Shruikan
-Brom is a former dragon rider, his dragon is Saphira's namesake
-Murtagh has a red dragon named Thorn
-Oromis has a gold dragon named Glaedr
...more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Inheritance_Cycle_characters
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Some books in the ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'' series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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Wait...is this trope about Salamanders or reptiles in general? Many examples are "this thing is called Salamander and is associated with fire" rather than "this thing is reptilian and associated with fire".
I suggest excluding salamander out of the title, but keep the part in the description
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I suggest keeping the salamander instead. ^
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This trope is about reptiles being associated with fire, but, since the mystical Salamander is the source of this trope and the most iconic exemple, it was used as the trope-namer.
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I'm kinda afraid this trope would turn to "This thing is fiery and called salamander" without touching the reptillian part. Like the Shadowrun, Discworld, and Fairy Tail example.
Because, seriously, salamander being associated with fire sounds like PeopleSitOnChair to me.
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I don't know. Previously considered named included Reptiles Are Burning Hot and Fiery Lizard. I thought Salamander was a more appropriated figure...
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I think the name still is fitting. The best solution would be to specify clearly in the definition that it's about reptiles as a whole rather than Salamander only.
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^and now somebody have to point out that salamanders aren't lizards... :P
But you are right, whatever name this end up with the description have to make it clear that it covers anything lizard-like.
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[[AC:TabletopGame]]
* Older versions of ''DungeonsAndDragons''.
** <salamander example>
** The Fire Lizard was a large (30 feet long) lizard that was immune to fire and could breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts were reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that could breathe fire up to five feet away.
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* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
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So is this about reptilians, or salamanders?
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Reptilians. The Salamander referenced here is the mystical animal, who IS a reptiles (or at least looks like one)
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I think it's best we keep the word "salamander" in the title. After all, it's the picture of the mythological creature many of these examples try to invoke. Just add a note to the description that this covers not only reptiles but also amphibians.
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^^^^Looks like it's both and neither. Our current knowledge about the difference between lizards/salamanders/[[DinosaursAreDragons Dinosaurs and Dragons]] isn't in play.
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I updated the examples and put the two pictures that were suggested for this page. I leave to you guys the decision about which picture we should keep.
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I think the Fallout example is from New Vegas, not Fallout 3.
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We would need confirmation for this. I am sadly not familiar with the game.
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Comic Books
* The 1970s ''SuperFriends'' tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
Video Games
* In the NES game ''TheBattleOfOlympus'', the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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Fixed a RedLink.
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Good. The only thing that remains to do is to chose the picture to use, and I think it'll be ready to launch
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The first image is better, as it's actually from a work.
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Actually the second is as well; it's from Magic The Gathering.
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^oh, I still prefer the first one, though.
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JustLaunchItAlready.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* Older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''...
** Role Aids supplement ''Monsters of Myth and Legend III''. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 HitPoints of damage.
** ''Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia'' Egyptian mythos.
*** The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
*** The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.
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We could use a better title if only to make clear this isn't a reptilian version of YouSexyBeast. FieryLizard?
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That could work. I also thought about things like Flaming Lizard, but that sounds better.
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This may have to do with salamanders and their reputed ability to withstand fire. Paracelsus even listed salamanders as pure fire elementals.
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True. I'll add this to the list.
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I'd like to see some elaboration about the salamander, since I think that's the source of this trope.
Example: videogames:
In ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards.
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We already got quite a lot of examples of fiery salamanders in AlchemicElementals, you know.
EDIT: @[=Theokal3=] below. We got some information of our own on the page I linked above (it's under [[AC:Myths and Folklore]]).
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I'd love to elaborate this point, but I have so far failed to find a reliable source of detailed informations about the Salamander. Any piece of information is welcome.
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This could be a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent.
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Paradisesnake: I have visited the page and use the piece of informations in it; thank you.
Dragonquestz: Thanks, I have already added this to the page.
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Might I suggest FlamingSalamander, considering the traditional elemental association?
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I thought about it or Fiery Salamander, but since Salamanders aren't really reptiles, I am hesitating. Maybe I should modify the the laconic description to specify both reptiles and salamanders are subjects to this trope ?
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^ I looked up the etymology of the word, and from [[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=salamander here]] and [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salamander here]], it seems the word used to be about a fire breathing lizard, not the amphibian we know now.
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that might be a problem... should we rewrite the page according to this ?
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^ Just to note that "salamander" was originally about a reptile, so still counts as this.
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Okay, I did what I could. Hope it's good.
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The TwilightPrincess Death Mountain lizards are called Dodongos.
* {{Berserk}}: the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders.
* WarcraftIII: Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* GoldenSun: The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* Warhammer40K: Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the Salamanders Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Some salamanders show up in HarryPotter, enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* The French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem.
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^ To add on that ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' example, the fire spirits are not only shaped like salamanders, but they are actually ''called'' salamanders in-universe. Also, the name of Isidro's weapon is ''Salamander Dagger''.
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You know Salamanders were real reptiles that are now extinct? They were pretty large small crocodile-snake hybrid lizards.
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I added those to the exemples. Thanks a lot for taking part in completing this page.
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lakingsif: I never heard of this. Do you have reliable sources ?
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I dunno, google it? There was just a bit of a disagreement further up the comments. Yeah, sorry they were amphibians, not reptiles. Just type 'salamanders' into google.
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They ''are'' amphibians and still exist.
mythologcical fiery salamanders have existed in folklore and fiction probably stemming back to a real salamanders tendency to be caught running out of burning logs and firewood.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* In older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
[[AC:VideoGames]]
* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'' it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
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Should probably link to AlchemicElementals as that talks about Salamanders in the myth section.
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[[AC:WebComics]]
* In ''GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire [[spoiler:that killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
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Would HonorHarrington count here? Her nickname *is* 'The Salamander' after all.
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^ Did you even see the laconic? You shouldn't reply based on the name alone (no, I'm not denying I ever did something that dumb).
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[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': [[ColonelBadass Roy Mustang]], [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him]] to [[PlayingWithFire Play with Fire.]]
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* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
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Italicized and {{Name Space}}d the examples plus did some formatting.
EDIT: By the way, the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' example [[ZeroContextExample needs context.]]
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Fallout 3 has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
Dungeon Keeper 2 has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
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Thanks; I added those exemples and add context for Agumon.
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Tabletop Games
Shadowrun has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Natsu Dragneel's InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
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Moved ''Pokemon'' to the video game section. The video games were first after all, not the anime.
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Any good pictures for the trope?
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Maybe one of [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Salamanders_in_art these]]?
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^ Don't see any with fire. I'll look up a few.
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Trying to find a picture of Charmander from ''Pokemon'' breathing fire. No such luck yet.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
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[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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^ I think the last two could make a good page image, if we can find larger versions.
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^ Something like [[http://www.donatoart.com/magic/lavarunner.jpg this?]]
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^ Hell yeah. Anyone else think so?
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^Love it.
Literature:
* In ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'' these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
Video Games:
* In ''VideoGame/AdventureQuest'' the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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The Eragon Cycle-one of the main charecters is Saphira, a blue dragon. There are more examples, but I can't remember their names...give me a minute
-Galbotorix,the evil immortal tyrant,has a black dragon named Shruikan
-Brom is a former dragon rider, his dragon is Saphira's namesake
-Murtagh has a red dragon named Thorn
-Oromis has a gold dragon named Glaedr
...more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Inheritance_Cycle_characters
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Some books in the ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'' series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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Wait...is this trope about Salamanders or reptiles in general? Many examples are "this thing is called Salamander and is associated with fire" rather than "this thing is reptilian and associated with fire".
I suggest excluding salamander out of the title, but keep the part in the description
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I suggest keeping the salamander instead. ^
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This trope is about reptiles being associated with fire, but, since the mystical Salamander is the source of this trope and the most iconic exemple, it was used as the trope-namer.
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I'm kinda afraid this trope would turn to "This thing is fiery and called salamander" without touching the reptillian part. Like the Shadowrun, Discworld, and Fairy Tail example.
Because, seriously, salamander being associated with fire sounds like PeopleSitOnChair to me.
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I don't know. Previously considered named included Reptiles Are Burning Hot and Fiery Lizard. I thought Salamander was a more appropriated figure...
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I think the name still is fitting. The best solution would be to specify clearly in the definition that it's about reptiles as a whole rather than Salamander only.
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^and now somebody have to point out that salamanders aren't lizards... :P
But you are right, whatever name this end up with the description have to make it clear that it covers anything lizard-like.
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[[AC:TabletopGame]]
* Older versions of ''DungeonsAndDragons''.
** <salamander example>
** The Fire Lizard was a large (30 feet long) lizard that was immune to fire and could breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts were reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that could breathe fire up to five feet away.
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* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
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So is this about reptilians, or salamanders?
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Reptilians. The Salamander referenced here is the mystical animal, who IS a reptiles (or at least looks like one)
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I think it's best we keep the word "salamander" in the title. After all, it's the picture of the mythological creature many of these examples try to invoke. Just add a note to the description that this covers not only reptiles but also amphibians.
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^^^^Looks like it's both and neither. Our current knowledge about the difference between lizards/salamanders/[[DinosaursAreDragons Dinosaurs and Dragons]] isn't in play.
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I updated the examples and put the two pictures that were suggested for this page. I leave to you guys the decision about which picture we should keep.
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I think the Fallout example is from New Vegas, not Fallout 3.
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We would need confirmation for this. I am sadly not familiar with the game.
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Comic Books
* The 1970s ''SuperFriends'' tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
Video Games
* In the NES game ''TheBattleOfOlympus'', the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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Fixed a RedLink.
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Good. The only thing that remains to do is to chose the picture to use, and I think it'll be ready to launch
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The first image is better, as it's actually from a work.
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Actually the second is as well; it's from Magic The Gathering.
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^oh, I still prefer the first one, though.
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JustLaunchItAlready.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* Older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''...
** Role Aids supplement ''Monsters of Myth and Legend III''. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 HitPoints of damage.
** ''Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia'' Egyptian mythos.
*** The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
*** The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.
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* French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem. The creature was portrayed as a wingless dragon breathing fire.
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We could use a better title if only to make clear this isn't a reptilian version of YouSexyBeast. FieryLizard?
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That could work. I also thought about things like Flaming Lizard, but that sounds better.
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This may have to do with salamanders and their reputed ability to withstand fire. Paracelsus even listed salamanders as pure fire elementals.
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True. I'll add this to the list.
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I'd like to see some elaboration about the salamander, since I think that's the source of this trope.
Example: videogames:
In ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards.
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We already got quite a lot of examples of fiery salamanders in AlchemicElementals, you know.
EDIT: @[=Theokal3=] below. We got some information of our own on the page I linked above (it's under [[AC:Myths and Folklore]]).
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I'd love to elaborate this point, but I have so far failed to find a reliable source of detailed informations about the Salamander. Any piece of information is welcome.
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This could be a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent.
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Paradisesnake: I have visited the page and use the piece of informations in it; thank you.
Dragonquestz: Thanks, I have already added this to the page.
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Might I suggest FlamingSalamander, considering the traditional elemental association?
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I thought about it or Fiery Salamander, but since Salamanders aren't really reptiles, I am hesitating. Maybe I should modify the the laconic description to specify both reptiles and salamanders are subjects to this trope ?
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^ I looked up the etymology of the word, and from [[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=salamander here]] and [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salamander here]], it seems the word used to be about a fire breathing lizard, not the amphibian we know now.
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that might be a problem... should we rewrite the page according to this ?
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^ Just to note that "salamander" was originally about a reptile, so still counts as this.
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Okay, I did what I could. Hope it's good.
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The TwilightPrincess Death Mountain lizards are called Dodongos.
* {{Berserk}}: the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders.
* WarcraftIII: Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* GoldenSun: The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* Warhammer40K: Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the Salamanders Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Some salamanders show up in HarryPotter, enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* The French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem.
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^ To add on that ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' example, the fire spirits are not only shaped like salamanders, but they are actually ''called'' salamanders in-universe. Also, the name of Isidro's weapon is ''Salamander Dagger''.
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You know Salamanders were real reptiles that are now extinct? They were pretty large small crocodile-snake hybrid lizards.
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I added those to the exemples. Thanks a lot for taking part in completing this page.
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lakingsif: I never heard of this. Do you have reliable sources ?
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I dunno, google it? There was just a bit of a disagreement further up the comments. Yeah, sorry they were amphibians, not reptiles. Just type 'salamanders' into google.
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They ''are'' amphibians and still exist.
mythologcical fiery salamanders have existed in folklore and fiction probably stemming back to a real salamanders tendency to be caught running out of burning logs and firewood.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* In older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
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* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'' it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
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Should probably link to AlchemicElementals as that talks about Salamanders in the myth section.
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[[AC:WebComics]]
* In ''GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire [[spoiler:that killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
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Would HonorHarrington count here? Her nickname *is* 'The Salamander' after all.
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^ Did you even see the laconic? You shouldn't reply based on the name alone (no, I'm not denying I ever did something that dumb).
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[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': [[ColonelBadass Roy Mustang]], [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him]] to [[PlayingWithFire Play with Fire.]]
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* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
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Italicized and {{Name Space}}d the examples plus did some formatting.
EDIT: By the way, the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' example [[ZeroContextExample needs context.]]
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Fallout 3 has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
Dungeon Keeper 2 has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
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Thanks; I added those exemples and add context for Agumon.
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Tabletop Games
Shadowrun has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Natsu Dragneel's InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
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Moved ''Pokemon'' to the video game section. The video games were first after all, not the anime.
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Any good pictures for the trope?
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Maybe one of [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Salamanders_in_art these]]?
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^ Don't see any with fire. I'll look up a few.
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Trying to find a picture of Charmander from ''Pokemon'' breathing fire. No such luck yet.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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^ I think the last two could make a good page image, if we can find larger versions.
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^ Something like [[http://www.donatoart.com/magic/lavarunner.jpg this?]]
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^ Hell yeah. Anyone else think so?
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^Love it.
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* In ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'' these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
Video Games:
* In ''VideoGame/AdventureQuest'' the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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The Eragon Cycle-one of the main charecters is Saphira, a blue dragon. There are more examples, but I can't remember their names...give me a minute
-Galbotorix,the evil immortal tyrant,has a black dragon named Shruikan
-Brom is a former dragon rider, his dragon is Saphira's namesake
-Murtagh has a red dragon named Thorn
-Oromis has a gold dragon named Glaedr
...more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Inheritance_Cycle_characters
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Some books in the ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'' series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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Wait...is this trope about Salamanders or reptiles in general? Many examples are "this thing is called Salamander and is associated with fire" rather than "this thing is reptilian and associated with fire".
I suggest excluding salamander out of the title, but keep the part in the description
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I suggest keeping the salamander instead. ^
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This trope is about reptiles being associated with fire, but, since the mystical Salamander is the source of this trope and the most iconic exemple, it was used as the trope-namer.
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I'm kinda afraid this trope would turn to "This thing is fiery and called salamander" without touching the reptillian part. Like the Shadowrun, Discworld, and Fairy Tail example.
Because, seriously, salamander being associated with fire sounds like PeopleSitOnChair to me.
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I don't know. Previously considered named included Reptiles Are Burning Hot and Fiery Lizard. I thought Salamander was a more appropriated figure...
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I think the name still is fitting. The best solution would be to specify clearly in the definition that it's about reptiles as a whole rather than Salamander only.
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^and now somebody have to point out that salamanders aren't lizards... :P
But you are right, whatever name this end up with the description have to make it clear that it covers anything lizard-like.
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[[AC:TabletopGame]]
* Older versions of ''DungeonsAndDragons''.
** <salamander example>
** The Fire Lizard was a large (30 feet long) lizard that was immune to fire and could breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts were reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that could breathe fire up to five feet away.
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* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
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So is this about reptilians, or salamanders?
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Reptilians. The Salamander referenced here is the mystical animal, who IS a reptiles (or at least looks like one)
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I think it's best we keep the word "salamander" in the title. After all, it's the picture of the mythological creature many of these examples try to invoke. Just add a note to the description that this covers not only reptiles but also amphibians.
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^^^^Looks like it's both and neither. Our current knowledge about the difference between lizards/salamanders/[[DinosaursAreDragons Dinosaurs and Dragons]] isn't in play.
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I updated the examples and put the two pictures that were suggested for this page. I leave to you guys the decision about which picture we should keep.
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I think the Fallout example is from New Vegas, not Fallout 3.
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We would need confirmation for this. I am sadly not familiar with the game.
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Comic Books
* The 1970s ''SuperFriends'' tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
Video Games
* In the NES game ''TheBattleOfOlympus'', the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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Fixed a RedLink.
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Good. The only thing that remains to do is to chose the picture to use, and I think it'll be ready to launch
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The first image is better, as it's actually from a work.
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Actually the second is as well; it's from Magic The Gathering.
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^oh, I still prefer the first one, though.
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JustLaunchItAlready.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* Older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''...
** Role Aids supplement ''Monsters of Myth and Legend III''. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 HitPoints of damage.
** ''Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia'' Egyptian mythos.
*** The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
*** The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.fire.
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We could use a better title if only to make clear this isn't a reptilian version of YouSexyBeast. FieryLizard?
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That could work. I also thought about things like Flaming Lizard, but that sounds better.
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This may have to do with salamanders and their reputed ability to withstand fire. Paracelsus even listed salamanders as pure fire elementals.
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True. I'll add this to the list.
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I'd like to see some elaboration about the salamander, since I think that's the source of this trope.
Example: videogames:
In ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards.
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We already got quite a lot of examples of fiery salamanders in AlchemicElementals, you know.
EDIT: @[=Theokal3=] below. We got some information of our own on the page I linked above (it's under [[AC:Myths and Folklore]]).
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I'd love to elaborate this point, but I have so far failed to find a reliable source of detailed informations about the Salamander. Any piece of information is welcome.
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This could be a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent.
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Paradisesnake: I have visited the page and use the piece of informations in it; thank you.
Dragonquestz: Thanks, I have already added this to the page.
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Might I suggest FlamingSalamander, considering the traditional elemental association?
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I thought about it or Fiery Salamander, but since Salamanders aren't really reptiles, I am hesitating. Maybe I should modify the the laconic description to specify both reptiles and salamanders are subjects to this trope ?
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^ I looked up the etymology of the word, and from [[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=salamander here]] and [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salamander here]], it seems the word used to be about a fire breathing lizard, not the amphibian we know now.
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that might be a problem... should we rewrite the page according to this ?
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^ Just to note that "salamander" was originally about a reptile, so still counts as this.
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Okay, I did what I could. Hope it's good.
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The TwilightPrincess Death Mountain lizards are called Dodongos.
* {{Berserk}}: the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders.
* WarcraftIII: Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* GoldenSun: The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* Warhammer40K: Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the Salamanders Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Some salamanders show up in HarryPotter, enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* The French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem.
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^ To add on that ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' example, the fire spirits are not only shaped like salamanders, but they are actually ''called'' salamanders in-universe. Also, the name of Isidro's weapon is ''Salamander Dagger''.
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You know Salamanders were real reptiles that are now extinct? They were pretty large small crocodile-snake hybrid lizards.
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I added those to the exemples. Thanks a lot for taking part in completing this page.
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lakingsif: I never heard of this. Do you have reliable sources ?
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I dunno, google it? There was just a bit of a disagreement further up the comments. Yeah, sorry they were amphibians, not reptiles. Just type 'salamanders' into google.
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They ''are'' amphibians and still exist.
mythologcical fiery salamanders have existed in folklore and fiction probably stemming back to a real salamanders tendency to be caught running out of burning logs and firewood.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* In older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
[[AC:VideoGames]]
* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'' it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
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Should probably link to AlchemicElementals as that talks about Salamanders in the myth section.
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[[AC:WebComics]]
* In ''GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire [[spoiler:that killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
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Would HonorHarrington count here? Her nickname *is* 'The Salamander' after all.
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^ Did you even see the laconic? You shouldn't reply based on the name alone (no, I'm not denying I ever did something that dumb).
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[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': [[ColonelBadass Roy Mustang]], [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him]] to [[PlayingWithFire Play with Fire.]]
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* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
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Italicized and {{Name Space}}d the examples plus did some formatting.
EDIT: By the way, the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' example [[ZeroContextExample needs context.]]
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Fallout 3 has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
Dungeon Keeper 2 has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
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Thanks; I added those exemples and add context for Agumon.
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Tabletop Games
Shadowrun has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Natsu Dragneel's InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
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Moved ''Pokemon'' to the video game section. The video games were first after all, not the anime.
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Any good pictures for the trope?
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Maybe one of [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Salamanders_in_art these]]?
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^ Don't see any with fire. I'll look up a few.
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Trying to find a picture of Charmander from ''Pokemon'' breathing fire. No such luck yet.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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^ I think the last two could make a good page image, if we can find larger versions.
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^ Something like [[http://www.donatoart.com/magic/lavarunner.jpg this?]]
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^ Hell yeah. Anyone else think so?
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^Love it.
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* In ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'' these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
Video Games:
* In ''VideoGame/AdventureQuest'' the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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The Eragon Cycle-one of the main charecters is Saphira, a blue dragon. There are more examples, but I can't remember their names...give me a minute
-Galbotorix,the evil immortal tyrant,has a black dragon named Shruikan
-Brom is a former dragon rider, his dragon is Saphira's namesake
-Murtagh has a red dragon named Thorn
-Oromis has a gold dragon named Glaedr
...more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Inheritance_Cycle_characters
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Some books in the ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'' series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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Wait...is this trope about Salamanders or reptiles in general? Many examples are "this thing is called Salamander and is associated with fire" rather than "this thing is reptilian and associated with fire".
I suggest excluding salamander out of the title, but keep the part in the description
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I suggest keeping the salamander instead. ^
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This trope is about reptiles being associated with fire, but, since the mystical Salamander is the source of this trope and the most iconic exemple, it was used as the trope-namer.
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I'm kinda afraid this trope would turn to "This thing is fiery and called salamander" without touching the reptillian part. Like the Shadowrun, Discworld, and Fairy Tail example.
Because, seriously, salamander being associated with fire sounds like PeopleSitOnChair to me.
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I don't know. Previously considered named included Reptiles Are Burning Hot and Fiery Lizard. I thought Salamander was a more appropriated figure...
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I think the name still is fitting. The best solution would be to specify clearly in the definition that it's about reptiles as a whole rather than Salamander only.
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^and now somebody have to point out that salamanders aren't lizards... :P
But you are right, whatever name this end up with the description have to make it clear that it covers anything lizard-like.
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* Older versions of ''DungeonsAndDragons''.
** <salamander example>
** The Fire Lizard was a large (30 feet long) lizard that was immune to fire and could breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts were reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that could breathe fire up to five feet away.
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* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
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So is this about reptilians, or salamanders?
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Reptilians. The Salamander referenced here is the mystical animal, who IS a reptiles (or at least looks like one)
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I think it's best we keep the word "salamander" in the title. After all, it's the picture of the mythological creature many of these examples try to invoke. Just add a note to the description that this covers not only reptiles but also amphibians.
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^^^^Looks like it's both and neither. Our current knowledge about the difference between lizards/salamanders/[[DinosaursAreDragons Dinosaurs and Dragons]] isn't in play.
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I updated the examples and put the two pictures that were suggested for this page. I leave to you guys the decision about which picture we should keep.
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I think the Fallout example is from New Vegas, not Fallout 3.
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We would need confirmation for this. I am sadly not familiar with the game.
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Comic Books
* The 1970s ''SuperFriends'' tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
Video Games
* In the NES game ''TheBattleOfOlympus'', the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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Fixed a RedLink.
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Good. The only thing that remains to do is to chose the picture to use, and I think it'll be ready to launch
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The first image is better, as it's actually from a work.
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Actually the second is as well; it's from Magic The Gathering.
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^oh, I still prefer the first one, though.
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JustLaunchItAlready.
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** Role Aids supplement ''Monsters of Myth and Legend III''. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 HitPoints of damage.
** ''Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia'' Egyptian mythos.
*** The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
*** The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.
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In fiction, it's not uncommon to see reptiles being associated with fire. After all, Dragons are often portrayed as reptilian, and it's common knowledge that they breath fire. Plus, Dinosaurs have often been associated with vulcanos and lava, and, being cold-blooded, reptiles are more confortable with warm climates, especially lizards, who like to rest under the sun.
The trope is named after the Salamander, a mythological animal despicted as a fire-breathing lizard or a wingless dragon. Nowaday, the name is given to a real animal who actually isn't a real reptile, but a small amphibian with a lizard-like shape. However, Alchemists would often attribute them mystical proprerties, such as the ability to survive fire, or even extinguish it by the mere coldness or their blood. As a result, the legendary counterpart of the salamander stayed in the memory, and has been raised to the rank of ElementalEmbodiment of Fire.
The exact reason for all these stories and the length of times through which they survived is often theorized to be due to a behavior of Real Life Salamanders. Being amphibians, they seek lair in humid locals, like stacks of wood kept outdoors. People would then use that wood to make fires, which would wake the Salamanders and cause them to flee for their lives, leaving people convinced the creatures had been "birthed" by the flames through abiogenesis. As wood remained a primary source of heating for humans till the industrial revolutions, such events, though rare, would keep reoccurring, ensuring that the myths of the fiery Salamander would live on.
Since ReptilesAreAbhorrent, expect a frequent assocation to [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Demons]], HellFire and FireAndBrimstoneHell. Exceptions do exist, however: a dragon or dinosaur-themed protagonist can sometimes be associated with fire as a way to reinforce his [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy hot-blooded temper and bravery]] rather than his evil nature. Those exceptions seem to be especially popular in japanese culture, where the connection of reptiles and dragons with evil isn't as strong as it is in occident.
Note: FierySalamander is not to be confused with real life Salamanders which are actually amphibians that live in and around water. Also, this trope applies to reptiles and reptile-like beings as a whole, not just Salamanders.
Can be considered a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent and a subtrope of AlchemicElementals. Arguably related to DinosaursAreDragons.
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!!Examples:
[[AC:Anime and Manga]]
* Agumon and his digivolutions from ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'', who are all dinosaur-like, orange-coloured, fire-breathing digimons who tend to become more dragons-like in later forms.
** Agunimon, [[{{Expy}} who was vaguely a humoinoid Agumon warrior from the fourth]] season's, attack was even called Burning Salamander in the original version. Almost all Digimon related to the Agu/Greymon lines are this trope.
* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders. They are actually even referred as such, and the weapon itself is called "Salamander Dagger".
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': Roy Mustang, [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him to]] PlayWithFire.
* ''Manga/FairyTail'': [[TheHero Natsu Dragneel]]'s InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
[[AC:Comic Book]]
* The 1970s SuperFriends tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
[[AC:Literature]]
* Some salamanders show up in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
* In TheObsidianTrilogy, these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
* Some books in the Literature/{{Redwall}} series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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* {{Satan}} sometimes is portrayed as a Snake or a Dragon. Since [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Fire often is associated with Hell]]...
* The ''[[OurAngelsAreDifferent Seraphim]]'', of all people. Some abrahamic despictions of the Angels distinctly despict them as dragon/serpent-like (their name is a corruption of "sarap", "fiery", more often than not connected with the word "nahash", "serpent") and associated with Fire.
[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
* ''Warhammer40K'': Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the [[AnimalMotif Salamanders]] Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' have several exemples:
** the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
** The Fire Lizard is a large (30 feet long) lizard that is immune to fire and can breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts are reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that can breathe fire up to five feet away.
** Role Aids supplement Monsters of Myth and Legend III. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 Hit Points of damage.
** Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia Egyptian mythos.
***The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
***The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.
* ''Shadowrun'' has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
* MagicTheGathering has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
[[AC:Video Games]]
* Charmander and his evolutions from ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' are clearly reptiles, based on the mythological Salamander for the first two states and a dragon for the final state.
* In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards called Dodongo.
* In ''VideoGame/WarCraftIII'', Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'': The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'', it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
* ''[[VideoGame/{{Fallout3}} Fallout 3]]'' has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
* ''[[DungeonKeeper Dungeon Keeper 2]]'' has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
* In AdventureQuest, the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in VideoGame/TheWitcher is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
* In the NES game TheBattleOfOlympus, the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
[[AC:Web Comics]]
* In ''WebComic/GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire that [[spoiler:killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
[[AC:Western Animation]]
* ''WesternAnimation/KaijudoRiseOfTheDuelMasters'': most Fire Civilisation Creatures are portrayed as reptilians, including protagonist Tatsurion, who is a half-dragon, and [[EvilOverlord Lord Skycrusher]], who is a [[LizardFolk lizard-man]].
[[AC:Real Life]]
* French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem. The creature was portrayed as a wingless dragon breathing fire.
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We could use a better title if only to make clear this isn't a reptilian version of YouSexyBeast. FieryLizard?
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That could work. I also thought about things like Flaming Lizard, but that sounds better.
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This may have to do with salamanders and their reputed ability to withstand fire. Paracelsus even listed salamanders as pure fire elementals.
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True. I'll add this to the list.
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I'd like to see some elaboration about the salamander, since I think that's the source of this trope.
Example: videogames:
In ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards.
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We already got quite a lot of examples of fiery salamanders in AlchemicElementals, you know.
EDIT: @[=Theokal3=] below. We got some information of our own on the page I linked above (it's under [[AC:Myths and Folklore]]).
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I'd love to elaborate this point, but I have so far failed to find a reliable source of detailed informations about the Salamander. Any piece of information is welcome.
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This could be a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent.
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Paradisesnake: I have visited the page and use the piece of informations in it; thank you.
Dragonquestz: Thanks, I have already added this to the page.
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Might I suggest FlamingSalamander, considering the traditional elemental association?
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I thought about it or Fiery Salamander, but since Salamanders aren't really reptiles, I am hesitating. Maybe I should modify the the laconic description to specify both reptiles and salamanders are subjects to this trope ?
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^ I looked up the etymology of the word, and from [[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=salamander here]] and [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salamander here]], it seems the word used to be about a fire breathing lizard, not the amphibian we know now.
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that might be a problem... should we rewrite the page according to this ?
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^ Just to note that "salamander" was originally about a reptile, so still counts as this.
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Okay, I did what I could. Hope it's good.
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The TwilightPrincess Death Mountain lizards are called Dodongos.
* {{Berserk}}: the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders.
* WarcraftIII: Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* GoldenSun: The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* Warhammer40K: Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the Salamanders Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Some salamanders show up in HarryPotter, enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* The French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem.
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^ To add on that ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' example, the fire spirits are not only shaped like salamanders, but they are actually ''called'' salamanders in-universe. Also, the name of Isidro's weapon is ''Salamander Dagger''.
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You know Salamanders were real reptiles that are now extinct? They were pretty large small crocodile-snake hybrid lizards.
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I added those to the exemples. Thanks a lot for taking part in completing this page.
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lakingsif: I never heard of this. Do you have reliable sources ?
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I dunno, google it? There was just a bit of a disagreement further up the comments. Yeah, sorry they were amphibians, not reptiles. Just type 'salamanders' into google.
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They ''are'' amphibians and still exist.
mythologcical fiery salamanders have existed in folklore and fiction probably stemming back to a real salamanders tendency to be caught running out of burning logs and firewood.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* In older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
[[AC:VideoGames]]
* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'' it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
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Should probably link to AlchemicElementals as that talks about Salamanders in the myth section.
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[[AC:WebComics]]
* In ''GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire [[spoiler:that killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
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Would HonorHarrington count here? Her nickname *is* 'The Salamander' after all.
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^ Did you even see the laconic? You shouldn't reply based on the name alone (no, I'm not denying I ever did something that dumb).
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[[AC:AnimeAndManga]]
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': [[ColonelBadass Roy Mustang]], [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him]] to [[PlayingWithFire Play with Fire.]]
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* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
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Italicized and {{Name Space}}d the examples plus did some formatting.
EDIT: By the way, the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' example [[ZeroContextExample needs context.]]
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Fallout 3 has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
Dungeon Keeper 2 has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
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Thanks; I added those exemples and add context for Agumon.
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Tabletop Games
Shadowrun has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Natsu Dragneel's InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
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Moved ''Pokemon'' to the video game section. The video games were first after all, not the anime.
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Any good pictures for the trope?
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Maybe one of [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Salamanders_in_art these]]?
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^ Don't see any with fire. I'll look up a few.
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Trying to find a picture of Charmander from ''Pokemon'' breathing fire. No such luck yet.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
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[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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^ I think the last two could make a good page image, if we can find larger versions.
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^ Something like [[http://www.donatoart.com/magic/lavarunner.jpg this?]]
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^ Hell yeah. Anyone else think so?
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^Love it.
Literature:
* In ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'' these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
Video Games:
* In ''VideoGame/AdventureQuest'' the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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The Eragon Cycle-one of the main charecters is Saphira, a blue dragon. There are more examples, but I can't remember their names...give me a minute
-Galbotorix,the evil immortal tyrant,has a black dragon named Shruikan
-Brom is a former dragon rider, his dragon is Saphira's namesake
-Murtagh has a red dragon named Thorn
-Oromis has a gold dragon named Glaedr
...more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Inheritance_Cycle_characters
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Some books in the ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'' series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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Wait...is this trope about Salamanders or reptiles in general? Many examples are "this thing is called Salamander and is associated with fire" rather than "this thing is reptilian and associated with fire".
I suggest excluding salamander out of the title, but keep the part in the description
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I suggest keeping the salamander instead. ^
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This trope is about reptiles being associated with fire, but, since the mystical Salamander is the source of this trope and the most iconic exemple, it was used as the trope-namer.
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I'm kinda afraid this trope would turn to "This thing is fiery and called salamander" without touching the reptillian part. Like the Shadowrun, Discworld, and Fairy Tail example.
Because, seriously, salamander being associated with fire sounds like PeopleSitOnChair to me.
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I don't know. Previously considered named included Reptiles Are Burning Hot and Fiery Lizard. I thought Salamander was a more appropriated figure...
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I think the name still is fitting. The best solution would be to specify clearly in the definition that it's about reptiles as a whole rather than Salamander only.
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^and now somebody have to point out that salamanders aren't lizards... :P
But you are right, whatever name this end up with the description have to make it clear that it covers anything lizard-like.
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[[AC:TabletopGame]]
* Older versions of ''DungeonsAndDragons''.
** <salamander example>
** The Fire Lizard was a large (30 feet long) lizard that was immune to fire and could breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts were reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that could breathe fire up to five feet away.
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* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
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So is this about reptilians, or salamanders?
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Reptilians. The Salamander referenced here is the mystical animal, who IS a reptiles (or at least looks like one)
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I think it's best we keep the word "salamander" in the title. After all, it's the picture of the mythological creature many of these examples try to invoke. Just add a note to the description that this covers not only reptiles but also amphibians.
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^^^^Looks like it's both and neither. Our current knowledge about the difference between lizards/salamanders/[[DinosaursAreDragons Dinosaurs and Dragons]] isn't in play.
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I updated the examples and put the two pictures that were suggested for this page. I leave to you guys the decision about which picture we should keep.
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I think the Fallout example is from New Vegas, not Fallout 3.
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We would need confirmation for this. I am sadly not familiar with the game.
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Comic Books
* The 1970s ''SuperFriends'' tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
Video Games
* In the NES game ''TheBattleOfOlympus'', the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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Fixed a RedLink.
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Good. The only thing that remains to do is to chose the picture to use, and I think it'll be ready to launch
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The first image is better, as it's actually from a work.
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Actually the second is as well; it's from Magic The Gathering.
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^oh, I still prefer the first one, though.
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JustLaunchItAlready.
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[[AC:TabletopGames]]
* Older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''...
** Role Aids supplement ''Monsters of Myth and Legend III''. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 HitPoints of damage.
** ''Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia'' Egyptian mythos.
*** The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
*** The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.
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In fiction, it's not uncommon to see reptiles being associated with fire. After all, Dragons are often portrayed as reptilian, and it's common knowledge that they breath fire. Plus, Dinosaurs have often been associated with vulcanos and lava, and, being cold-blooded, reptiles are more confortable with warm climates, especially lizards, who like to rest under the sun.
The trope is named after the Salamander, a mythological animal despicted as a fire-breathing lizard or a wingless dragon. Nowaday, the name is given to a real animal who actually isn't a real reptile, but a small amphibian with a lizard-like shape. However, Alchemists would often attribute them mystical proprerties, such as the ability to survive fire, or even extinguish it by the mere coldness or their blood. As a result, the legendary counterpart of the salamander stayed in the memory, and has been raised to the rank of ElementalEmbodiment of Fire.
The exact reason for all these stories and the length of times through which they survived is often theorized to be due to a behavior of Real Life Salamanders. Being amphibians, they seek lair in humid locals, like stacks of wood kept outdoors. People would then use that wood to make fires, which would wake the Salamanders and cause them to flee for their lives, leaving people convinced the creatures had been "birthed" by the flames through abiogenesis. As wood remained a primary source of heating for humans till the industrial revolutions, such events, though rare, would keep reoccurring, ensuring that the myths of the fiery Salamander would live on.
Since ReptilesAreAbhorrent, expect a frequent assocation to [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Demons]], HellFire and FireAndBrimstoneHell. Exceptions do exist, however: a dragon or dinosaur-themed protagonist can sometimes be associated with fire as a way to reinforce his [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy hot-blooded temper and bravery]] rather than his evil nature. Those exceptions seem to be especially popular in japanese culture, where the connection of reptiles and dragons with evil isn't as strong as it is in occident.
Note: FierySalamander is not to be confused with real life Salamanders which are actually amphibians that live in and around water. Also, this trope applies to reptiles and reptile-like beings as a whole, not just Salamanders.
Can be considered a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent and a subtrope of AlchemicElementals. Arguably related to DinosaursAreDragons.
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!!Examples:
[[AC:Anime and Manga]]
* Agumon and his digivolutions from ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'', who are all dinosaur-like, orange-coloured, fire-breathing digimons who tend to become more dragons-like in later forms.
** Agunimon, [[{{Expy}} who was vaguely a humoinoid Agumon warrior from the fourth]] season's, attack was even called Burning Salamander in the original version. Almost all Digimon related to the Agu/Greymon lines are this trope.
* ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'': the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders. They are actually even referred as such, and the weapon itself is called "Salamander Dagger".
* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': Roy Mustang, [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him to]] PlayWithFire.
* ''Manga/FairyTail'': [[TheHero Natsu Dragneel]]'s InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
[[AC:Comic Book]]
* The 1970s SuperFriends tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
[[AC:Literature]]
* Some salamanders show up in ''Literature/HarryPotter'', enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
* In TheObsidianTrilogy, these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
* Some books in the Literature/{{Redwall}} series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
[[AC:Mythology and Religion]]
* {{Satan}} sometimes is portrayed as a Snake or a Dragon. Since [[FireAndBrimstoneHell Fire often is associated with Hell]]...
* The ''[[OurAngelsAreDifferent Seraphim]]'', of all people. Some abrahamic despictions of the Angels distinctly despict them as dragon/serpent-like (their name is a corruption of "sarap", "fiery", more often than not connected with the word "nahash", "serpent") and associated with Fire.
[[AC:Tabletop Games]]
* ''Warhammer40K'': Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the [[AnimalMotif Salamanders]] Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' have several exemples:
** the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
** The Fire Lizard is a large (30 feet long) lizard that is immune to fire and can breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts are reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that can breathe fire up to five feet away.
** Role Aids supplement Monsters of Myth and Legend III. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 Hit Points of damage.
** Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia Egyptian mythos.
***The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
***The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.
* ''Shadowrun'' has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
* MagicTheGathering has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
[[AC:Video Games]]
* Charmander and his evolutions from ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' are clearly reptiles, based on the mythological Salamander for the first two states and a dragon for the final state.
* In ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards called Dodongo.
* In ''VideoGame/WarCraftIII'', Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* ''VideoGame/GoldenSun'': The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'', it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
* ''[[VideoGame/{{Fallout3}} Fallout 3]]'' has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
* ''[[DungeonKeeper Dungeon Keeper 2]]'' has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
* In AdventureQuest, the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in VideoGame/TheWitcher is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
* In the NES game TheBattleOfOlympus, the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
[[AC:Web Comics]]
* In ''WebComic/GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire that [[spoiler:killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
[[AC:Western Animation]]
* ''WesternAnimation/KaijudoRiseOfTheDuelMasters'': most Fire Civilisation Creatures are portrayed as reptilians, including protagonist Tatsurion, who is a half-dragon, and [[EvilOverlord Lord Skycrusher]], who is a [[LizardFolk lizard-man]].
[[AC:Real Life]]
* French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem. The creature was portrayed as a wingless dragon breathing fire.
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We could use a better title if only to make clear this isn't a reptilian version of YouSexyBeast. FieryLizard?
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That could work. I also thought about things like Flaming Lizard, but that sounds better.
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This may have to do with salamanders and their reputed ability to withstand fire. Paracelsus even listed salamanders as pure fire elementals.
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True. I'll add this to the list.
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I'd like to see some elaboration about the salamander, since I think that's the source of this trope.
Example: videogames:
In ''The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess'', Gerudo Mountain is filled with fire-resistant, fire-breathing lizards.
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We already got quite a lot of examples of fiery salamanders in AlchemicElementals, you know.
EDIT: @[=Theokal3=] below. We got some information of our own on the page I linked above (it's under [[AC:Myths and Folklore]]).
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I'd love to elaborate this point, but I have so far failed to find a reliable source of detailed informations about the Salamander. Any piece of information is welcome.
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This could be a SuperTrope to OurDragonsAreDifferent.
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Paradisesnake: I have visited the page and use the piece of informations in it; thank you.
Dragonquestz: Thanks, I have already added this to the page.
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Might I suggest FlamingSalamander, considering the traditional elemental association?
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I thought about it or Fiery Salamander, but since Salamanders aren't really reptiles, I am hesitating. Maybe I should modify the the laconic description to specify both reptiles and salamanders are subjects to this trope ?
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^ I looked up the etymology of the word, and from [[http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=salamander here]] and [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/salamander here]], it seems the word used to be about a fire breathing lizard, not the amphibian we know now.
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that might be a problem... should we rewrite the page according to this ?
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^ Just to note that "salamander" was originally about a reptile, so still counts as this.
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Okay, I did what I could. Hope it's good.
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The TwilightPrincess Death Mountain lizards are called Dodongos.
* {{Berserk}}: the elemental fire spirits on Isidro's blade are shaped like salamanders.
* WarcraftIII: Salamanders are gigantic, fire-breathing, stegosaur-like lizards that live underground.
* GoldenSun: The first game's salamanders are small, dragonlike lizards. The sequel adds the Avimander boss and the PaletteSwap enemies Macetail and Bombmander, which are bigger, stockier, and have a morningstar-like tail.
* Warhammer40K: Salamanders feature heavily in the mythology of the Salamanders Chapter of SpaceMarines, which has a big fire/forging image. They are large lizards, some of which can breathe fire, and aspiring recruits must defeat themin combat.
* Some salamanders show up in HarryPotter, enjoying the roaring blaze they're in.
* The French king Francis I had salamanders as his personal emblem.
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^ To add on that ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'' example, the fire spirits are not only shaped like salamanders, but they are actually ''called'' salamanders in-universe. Also, the name of Isidro's weapon is ''Salamander Dagger''.
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You know Salamanders were real reptiles that are now extinct? They were pretty large small crocodile-snake hybrid lizards.
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I added those to the exemples. Thanks a lot for taking part in completing this page.
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lakingsif: I never heard of this. Do you have reliable sources ?
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I dunno, google it? There was just a bit of a disagreement further up the comments. Yeah, sorry they were amphibians, not reptiles. Just type 'salamanders' into google.
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They ''are'' amphibians and still exist.
mythologcical fiery salamanders have existed in folklore and fiction probably stemming back to a real salamanders tendency to be caught running out of burning logs and firewood.
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* In older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' the salamander is a lizard-like humanoid from the Elemental Plane of Fire that prefers to live in temperatures of 500 degrees or more.
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* In the old game ''Empire of the Overmind'' it was possible to summon a small fiery salamander to provide light with the command "Call Pyro".
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Should probably link to AlchemicElementals as that talks about Salamanders in the myth section.
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* In ''GunnerkriggCourt'', when Antimony helps a boy in Good Hope Hospital [[spoiler:pass on]], the fire [[spoiler:that killed him and his family]] is represented by a salamander until Antimony realises what happened.
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Would HonorHarrington count here? Her nickname *is* 'The Salamander' after all.
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^ Did you even see the laconic? You shouldn't reply based on the name alone (no, I'm not denying I ever did something that dumb).
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* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': [[ColonelBadass Roy Mustang]], [[RedBaron aka]] "the Flame Alchemist", has a small salamander depicted on the back of his glove. It's part of the [[GeometricMagic alchemical formula]] [[AlchemyIsMagic that allows him]] to [[PlayingWithFire Play with Fire.]]
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* On the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'', Salamanders are creatures that absorb sunlight and store it in a special organ, then release it in a bright burst to scare predators. They've thus been adopted for use as flashbulbs in photography.
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Italicized and {{Name Space}}d the examples plus did some formatting.
EDIT: By the way, the ''Franchise/{{Digimon}}'' example [[ZeroContextExample needs context.]]
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Fallout 3 has Fire Geckos, giant Geckos that breathe fire.
Dungeon Keeper 2 has Salamanders who can breath fire and walk over lava without taking damage.
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Thanks; I added those exemples and add context for Agumon.
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Tabletop Games
Shadowrun has Salamanders, magical beings who look like a ball of fire with flames dancing around it. No one is sure what their motivations are or if they even are sapient, but rumor has it that some humans can seal a pact with them.
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* ''Manga/FairyTail'': Natsu Dragneel's InUniverseNickname is "Salamander" for his fire powers.
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Moved ''Pokemon'' to the video game section. The video games were first after all, not the anime.
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Any good pictures for the trope?
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Maybe one of [[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Salamanders_in_art these]]?
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^ Don't see any with fire. I'll look up a few.
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Trying to find a picture of Charmander from ''Pokemon'' breathing fire. No such luck yet.
* In the ''{{Castlevania}}'' games, a flaming salamander is a boss in a few games, and in ''CastlevaniaCircleOfTheMoon'', it's the fire elemental card in the "DSS" system.
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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' has a couple of creature cards that share the type of salamander, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=6117 Scalding Salamander]], [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=3458 Pyric Salamander]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4817 Flowstone Salamander]]. They all belong to the red color type most strongly connected to fire and have rather similar offensive abilities. There are also other fiery lizard type creatures, like [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=19845 Lava Runner]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=289214 Bellows Lizard]].
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^ I think the last two could make a good page image, if we can find larger versions.
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^ Something like [[http://www.donatoart.com/magic/lavarunner.jpg this?]]
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^ Hell yeah. Anyone else think so?
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^Love it.
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* In ''Literature/TheObsidianTrilogy'' these and other elemental creatures sometimes make brief appearances when casting spells with High Magick. The High Mages teach that they're illusory, but an exiled High Mage discovers they're real, and can be negotiated with.
Video Games:
* In ''VideoGame/AdventureQuest'' the [[http://adventurequest.wikia.com/wiki/Salamander salamander]] is a [[BreathWeapon fire-breathing]] creature the size of a horse.
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The Eragon Cycle-one of the main charecters is Saphira, a blue dragon. There are more examples, but I can't remember their names...give me a minute
-Galbotorix,the evil immortal tyrant,has a black dragon named Shruikan
-Brom is a former dragon rider, his dragon is Saphira's namesake
-Murtagh has a red dragon named Thorn
-Oromis has a gold dragon named Glaedr
...more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Inheritance_Cycle_characters
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Some books in the ''{{Literature/Redwall}}'' series feature the Mountain of Fire Lizards named Salamandastron.
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Wait...is this trope about Salamanders or reptiles in general? Many examples are "this thing is called Salamander and is associated with fire" rather than "this thing is reptilian and associated with fire".
I suggest excluding salamander out of the title, but keep the part in the description
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I suggest keeping the salamander instead. ^
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This trope is about reptiles being associated with fire, but, since the mystical Salamander is the source of this trope and the most iconic exemple, it was used as the trope-namer.
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I'm kinda afraid this trope would turn to "This thing is fiery and called salamander" without touching the reptillian part. Like the Shadowrun, Discworld, and Fairy Tail example.
Because, seriously, salamander being associated with fire sounds like PeopleSitOnChair to me.
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I don't know. Previously considered named included Reptiles Are Burning Hot and Fiery Lizard. I thought Salamander was a more appropriated figure...
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I think the name still is fitting. The best solution would be to specify clearly in the definition that it's about reptiles as a whole rather than Salamander only.
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^and now somebody have to point out that salamanders aren't lizards... :P
But you are right, whatever name this end up with the description have to make it clear that it covers anything lizard-like.
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* Older versions of ''DungeonsAndDragons''.
** <salamander example>
** The Fire Lizard was a large (30 feet long) lizard that was immune to fire and could breathe out a large (15 feet long) puff of fire from its mouth.
** Fire Newts were reptilian humanoids (similar to Lizard Men) that could breathe fire up to five feet away.
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* The NebulousCriminalConspiracy calling themselves "Salamandra" in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher'' is led by a mage specializing in fire magic, and many of their other mages specialize in fiery magic, too, probably giving the organization its name.
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So is this about reptilians, or salamanders?
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Reptilians. The Salamander referenced here is the mystical animal, who IS a reptiles (or at least looks like one)
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I think it's best we keep the word "salamander" in the title. After all, it's the picture of the mythological creature many of these examples try to invoke. Just add a note to the description that this covers not only reptiles but also amphibians.
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^^^^Looks like it's both and neither. Our current knowledge about the difference between lizards/salamanders/[[DinosaursAreDragons Dinosaurs and Dragons]] isn't in play.
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I updated the examples and put the two pictures that were suggested for this page. I leave to you guys the decision about which picture we should keep.
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I think the Fallout example is from New Vegas, not Fallout 3.
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We would need confirmation for this. I am sadly not familiar with the game.
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Comic Books
* The 1970s ''SuperFriends'' tie-in comic book featured a team of four elemental superheroes; the fire-powered member was called Salamander, and got his powers because he was possessed by a mythological salamander.
Video Games
* In the NES game ''TheBattleOfOlympus'', the player gains protection from enemies' fireballs by collecting salamander skins and paying a weaponsmith to wrap his wooden shield in them.
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Fixed a RedLink.
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Good. The only thing that remains to do is to chose the picture to use, and I think it'll be ready to launch
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The first image is better, as it's actually from a work.
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Actually the second is as well; it's from Magic The Gathering.
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^oh, I still prefer the first one, though.
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JustLaunchItAlready.
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* Older versions of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''...
** Role Aids supplement ''Monsters of Myth and Legend III''. The Egyptian deity Apophis could take the form of either a giant snake with a human head or a huge crocodile. Twenty times per day he could breath out a 120 degree wide 75 foot long cone of fire that did 10-60 HitPoints of damage.
** ''Deities and Demigods Cyclopedia'' Egyptian mythos.
*** The deity Apep has the form of a giant snake. Once every two minutes he could breathe out a 100 foot long by 40 foot wide cone of flame that does 6-60 HitPoints of damage.
*** The Flame Snake appeared to be a small harmless grass snake, but five times per day it could breathe out a burst of fire 30 feet long that inflicted 15 HitPoints of damage.
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