Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Main / EverybodyHatesHades

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** The movie seems to say that the villain was just Luke being angsty - which isn't explained very well - and that makes no sense in terms of the series. [[spoiler:plus it appears that Luke dies at the end anyway.]] Having eliminated all possible villains from the book they have no material for the sequels.


Added DiffLines:

** [[spoiler:Not exactly to return it. He says it will make a good bargaining tool, so presumably he does have his own plans for using the bolt (but not, as was suspected, for mass destruction and death). He does plan to use it to get what he wants, but it's probably something like permission to leave the underworld more than once a year, or not being treated like scum by every immortal being in the world ... which frankly the poor guy deserves.]]
** The series does, however, villify other figures from Classical mythology: [[spoiler:the Titans]], who were frankly no less depraved than the gods, end up as the main antagonists - even those who are supposed to never take sides (though this is kind of weakly explained by saying that they must be absolutely certain which side will win).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* GunnerkriggCourt gives us a few different soul collectors and versions of "death" that correspond to various religions and myths. All of them seem quite nice and even enjoy conversation with mortals who can see them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Averted in the Dark Hunter book "Acheron". Hades seems to be one of the few gods who pities Acheron and leaves him be when Acheron dies and appears in the Underworld.

to:

* Averted in the Dark Hunter book "Acheron". Hades seems to be one of the few gods who pities Acheron and leaves him be when Acheron [[spoiler: dies and appears in the Underworld.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Techincally though, the Anubis of the movie was an ancient Egyptian EvilSorcerer who called himself "Anubis, lord of the dead" rather than the actual god Anubis. Perhaps he should've chosen a better name...

to:

** Techincally Technically though, the Anubis of the movie was an ancient Egyptian EvilSorcerer who called himself "Anubis, lord of the dead" rather than the actual god Anubis. Perhaps he should've chosen a better name...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Anubis got this treatment in the ''YuGiOh'' movie. Of course, the film was written by the 4KidsEntertainment adapters; knowing them, they probably missed how in the original material, Shadi's fealty was to Anubis. Granted that Shadi can easily signify GoodIsNotNice, but he's still not a creature of malice, so his divine liege probably isn't either. Instead, the writers should have considered Set (the closest thing the Kemetians had to an evil god, at least after the Hykso invasion).

to:

* Anubis got this treatment in the ''YuGiOh'' ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}!'' movie. Of course, the film was written by the 4KidsEntertainment adapters; knowing them, they probably missed how in the original material, Shadi's fealty was to Anubis. Granted that Shadi can easily signify GoodIsNotNice, but he's still not a creature of malice, so his divine liege probably isn't either. Instead, the writers should have considered Set (the closest thing the Kemetians had to an evil god, at least after the Hykso invasion).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** No, he explains it. WonderWoman was formed out of clay, and he helped with the molding.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** That abuse of authority? Mainly used to kill people...So, Yama's main deal is that he advocates killing murderers. StrawmanHasAPoint?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Meanwhile, {{Persona 3}} has a rather interesting take on the trope. [[spoiler:While Death is responsible for causing TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt, it's not actually a ''malevolent'' being, as seen with Pharos and Ryoji. Nyx will only initiate the Fall as long as people keep wishing for death.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Inverted by PiersAnthony in ''On A Pale Horse'', in which Death/Thanatos is not only a human being tapped to fulfill a necessary duty, but is actually the protagonist, and one of the nicest characters in the Incarnations series.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** The Angel of Death on the other hand, is portrayed more or less sympathetically, especially during his first appearance.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** But on Saint Seiya's behalf; every deity that aint Athena is a villian there because they have their own plans for humanity and the world and Athena wants to protect humanity from divine intervention...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

*Averted with Death in "The Book Thief" by Marcus Zusak. His introduction in the book specifically addresses the common "misconceptions" about death, how he feels about his job, and what he might or might not look like. [[spoiler: By the time the main character has died of old age, Death has grown so attached to her that he puts his job on hold for a while to take her spirit to the place she used to live, and return a book of hers, before taking her where all souls eventually go.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Like Hades, most other death gods from various mythologies again [[DarkIsNotEvil aren't usually evil]].Nothat Hades was a god of Death, see above. Neither [[EgyptianMythology Anubis, Osiris]], [[CelticMythology Arawn]], [[FinnishMythology Tuoni]] (basically a finnish Hades) et cetera were malevolent. There are some exceptions like [[NorseMythology Hel]] (and even so she isn't like Satan or anything, not opposing the good guys; she was, in fact, good prior to the myths being HijackedByJesus), but the general idea was that death was neutral.

to:

* Like Hades, most other death gods from various mythologies again [[DarkIsNotEvil aren't usually evil]].Nothat Not that Hades was '''was''' a god God of Death, see above. Neither [[EgyptianMythology Anubis, Osiris]], [[CelticMythology Arawn]], [[FinnishMythology Tuoni]] (basically a finnish Hades) et cetera were malevolent. There are some exceptions like [[NorseMythology Hel]] (and even so she isn't like Satan or anything, not opposing the good guys; she was, in fact, good prior to the myths being HijackedByJesus), but the general idea was that death was neutral.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Thanatos is Death, NOT Hades OR Hermes.


** Also, Hades was not strictly a god of death. He was the god of the underworld in every sense of the word. Meaning that he also was the god of things that came from the underground: stones and gems as well as wealth. (although the wealthy can be evil, that is not always the case.)
*** To elaborate on that Hermes was the god who took people to the underworld

to:

** Also, Hades was not strictly a god of death.death[See right below]. He was the god of the underworld in every sense of the word. Meaning that he also was the god of things that came from the underground: stones and gems as well as wealth. (although the wealthy can be evil, that is not always the case.)
*** To elaborate on that Hermes ''Thanatos'' AKA Death, brother to Somnus AKA Sleep, was the god who took people to the underworldunderworld.



* Like Hades, most other death gods from various mythologies again [[DarkIsNotEvil aren't usually evil]]. Neither [[EgyptianMythology Anubis, Osiris]], [[CelticMythology Arawn]], [[FinnishMythology Tuoni]] (basically a finnish Hades) et cetera were malevolent. There are some exceptions like [[NorseMythology Hel]] (and even so she isn't like Satan or anything, not opposing the good guys; she was, in fact, good prior to the myths being HijackedByJesus), but the general idea was that death was neutral.

to:

* Like Hades, most other death gods from various mythologies again [[DarkIsNotEvil aren't usually evil]].Nothat Hades was a god of Death, see above. Neither [[EgyptianMythology Anubis, Osiris]], [[CelticMythology Arawn]], [[FinnishMythology Tuoni]] (basically a finnish Hades) et cetera were malevolent. There are some exceptions like [[NorseMythology Hel]] (and even so she isn't like Satan or anything, not opposing the good guys; she was, in fact, good prior to the myths being HijackedByJesus), but the general idea was that death was neutral.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''{{Charmed}}'' never used Hades, but Hecate, another underworld god, came off particularly badly, being [[http://charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Hecate turned into a demon]]. (Way to go, [[DidNotDoTheResearch have witches fight the patron of witches]].) Yama also got this treatment, becoming the totally amoral gatekeeper of Chinese hell who tried to snatch whatever spirits were not "properly buried" and drag them to hell, regardless of whether they were good or evil.

to:

* ''{{Charmed}}'' never used Hades, Hades (except for a rather dishonorable mention as the father of the demon Nikos in the novel), but Hecate, another underworld god, came off particularly badly, being [[http://charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Hecate turned into a demon]]. (Way to go, [[DidNotDoTheResearch have witches fight the patron of witches]].) Yama also got this treatment, becoming the totally amoral gatekeeper of Chinese hell who tried to snatch whatever spirits were not "properly buried" and drag them to hell, regardless of whether they were good or evil.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Charmed}} never used Hades, but Hecate, another underworld god, came off particularly badly, being turned into a demon. Way to go, [[DidNotDoTheResearch have witches fight the patron of witches]].

to:

* {{Charmed}} ''{{Charmed}}'' never used Hades, but Hecate, another underworld god, came off particularly badly, being [[http://charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Hecate turned into a demon. Way demon]]. (Way to go, [[DidNotDoTheResearch have witches fight the patron of witches]].) Yama also got this treatment, becoming the totally amoral gatekeeper of Chinese hell who tried to snatch whatever spirits were not "properly buried" and drag them to hell, regardless of whether they were good or evil.

Added: 272

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* ''Kali'' can easily be mistaken for a demon and can be seen as quite scary with black skin, weapons in her four arms, a necklace of human heads, a skirt of severed arms, and blood staining her lips. But for her followers, she's mostly a caring and even loving protector, who destroys all evils.

to:

* ''Kali'' can easily be mistaken for a demon and can be seen as quite scary with black skin, weapons in her four arms, a necklace of human heads, a skirt of severed arms, and blood staining her lips. But for her followers, she's mostly a caring and even loving protector, who destroys all evils.
** Mind you, when she gets her bloodlust worked up against the rightfully deserving targets, she has serious trouble at stopping once she's through with them. Typically only her husband can calm her down. She is an aspect of Durga, and normally kept suppressed within her.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** It should be noted that that's largely a Wiccan thing, and the show is fairly favorable to Wiccans. Hecate was indeed a goddess of magic, but Hermes was a god of magic too, and neither one particularly favored 'witches' until, what, the 19th or 20th century when witches started using her?

to:

*** It should be noted that that's largely a Wiccan thing, and the show is fairly favorable to Wiccans. Hecate was indeed a goddess of magic, but Hermes was a god of magic too, and neither one particularly favored 'witches' until, what, the 19th or 20th century when witches started using her?
her?
**** Hecate gets evoked by witches even in ''{{Macbeth}}'' (written in 1606), so she's been associated with witchcraft for a good while now. Likewise, Hermes was the god of magicians from the get-go, and lots of Medieval alchemist and mystic types used his name in various contexts, most notably Hermes Trismegistus, a claimed wizard and alchemist, supposedly a contemporary of Moses, but actually the writings attributed to him aren't even 2000 years old. [[OlderThanYouThink Still, much older than 19th or 20th century.]] The more you know...

Added: 111

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** The point of the scene was to play with this trope, namely by Mina suggesting that by worshiping a goddess of destruction (or, incorrectly, of death), Nemo is untrustworthy and possibly evil or dangerous, rather than her knowing that to Nemo, Kali is not evil. It seemed to serve to show how the members of the league distrusted each other.

to:

** The point of the scene was to play with this trope, namely by Mina suggesting that by worshiping a goddess of destruction (or, incorrectly, of death), Nemo is untrustworthy and possibly evil or dangerous, rather than her knowing that to Nemo, Kali is not evil. It seemed to serve to show how the members of the league distrusted each other.
*** Mina also happens to have a Victorian education that wasn't all that accurate with non-Christian religions.

Added: 374

Changed: 1

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** If I learned the story right, Persephone's mother controls the seasons. When Demeter is depressed because her daughter is in the underworld with Hades, the plants fade and fall and winter come. When Persephone returns, Demeter brings back the plant life, and we get spring and summer. So Persephone spending more time with Demeter means a longer summer.

to:

** If I learned the story right, Persephone's mother controls the seasons. When Demeter is depressed because her daughter is in the underworld with Hades, the plants fade and fall and winter come. When Persephone returns, Demeter brings back the plant life, and we get spring and summer. So Persephone spending more time with Demeter means a longer summer.
*** Except that it's the scorching summer months that Persephone spends with Hades, and the cooler part of the year with her mother. There is no cold winter in the Mediterranian area, and the blazing, destructive heat of the midsummer is a much more significant issue there. The myth got inverted as it travelled to north, where winters are a problem and summers a blessing.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Actually Satan even cannot be evil because, being an angel, he is beyond good and evil. He tempts people to commit evil deeds only to prove to God that some people are not worthy to enter the Heaven. And by no means he is an enemy of God. Such interpretation is actually Manicheian, not Christian.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Kid Icarus has Pluton, an invincible and incredibly annoying ogre thief, whose name is presumably a mistranslation of Pluto. The Grim Reaper(shortened to Reaper) and the God of Revenge are also enemies.
* ''ShinMegamiTensei DevilSurvivor'' has Yama, buddhist judge of the underworld, making a contract with one of the people inside the Tokyo Lockdown. He reveals himself to be a HangingJudge to whom AllCrimesAreEqual (and death being the only sentence). To be fair, though, we only see him interact with people guilty of crimes like murder, abuse of authority and similar -- he ignores the party, who are not guilty of anything, until you attack him.

to:

* Kid Icarus ''KidIcarus'' has Pluton, an invincible and incredibly annoying ogre thief, whose name is presumably a mistranslation of Pluto. The Grim Reaper(shortened to Reaper) and the God of Revenge are also enemies.
** The first ''may'' come from Pluto's other portfolio, being the god of wealth. This doesn't make the game's [[TheyJustDidntCare butchering of the rest of Greek mythology]] any more sensible, though.
* ''ShinMegamiTensei DevilSurvivor'' has Yama, buddhist Buddhist judge of the underworld, making a contract with one of the people inside the Tokyo Lockdown. He reveals himself to be a HangingJudge to whom AllCrimesAreEqual (and death being the only sentence). To be fair, though, we only see him interact with people guilty of crimes like murder, abuse of authority and similar -- he ignores the party, who are not guilty of anything, until you attack him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Death and Hades are thrown in the lake of fire. This is symbolic of God's intent to end death for humans, permanently. Compare 1st Corinthians 15:54-57.

to:

** Death and Hades are thrown in the lake of fire. This is symbolic of God's intent to end death for humans, permanently. Compare 1st Corinthians 15:54-57.
15:54-57. This plays the trope relatively straight, except here Hades is just referring to the common grave of all mankind, not some AnthropomorphicPersonification
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** Death and Hades are thrown in the lake of fire. This is symbolic of God's intent to end death for humans, permanently. Compare 1st Corinthians 15:54-57.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Also, unlike in ''Charmed'' Hecate is [[ShownTheirWork portrayed favorably in this show as the patron deity of witches]].

to:

** Also, unlike in ''Charmed'' Hecate is [[ShownTheirWork portrayed favorably in this show as the patron deity of witches]].
witches]].
*** It should be noted that that's largely a Wiccan thing, and the show is fairly favorable to Wiccans. Hecate was indeed a goddess of magic, but Hermes was a god of magic too, and neither one particularly favored 'witches' until, what, the 19th or 20th century when witches started using her?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Fanboys plays with this, averts it, inverts it, and subverts it. [[http://fanboys-online.com/index.php?comic=178 Death]] in this comic is actually a really nice guy, but finds mortality to be hilarious, especially once it's gone.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Izanami has invert trope for ShinMegamiTensei. She's actually pretty malice, being one who cursed humanity with death (albeit she was so furious at her husband back then). Yet she doesn't appear as villain until {{Persona 4}} ([[spoiler:and even then she is just giving humans what she thinks [[WorldOfSilence they want]]]]). In fact, the first two games have her incarnation as the heroine.

to:

* Izanami has invert trope for ShinMegamiTensei. She's actually pretty malice, being one who cursed humanity with death (albeit she was so furious at her husband back then). Yet she doesn't appear as [[spoiler:Izanami]] is revealed to be a villain until {{Persona 4}} ([[spoiler:and even then she is just giving humans what she thinks [[WorldOfSilence they want]]]]). In fact, the first two games have her incarnation as the heroine.in ''{{Persona 4}}''.




to:

* ''ShinMegamiTensei DevilSurvivor'' has Yama, buddhist judge of the underworld, making a contract with one of the people inside the Tokyo Lockdown. He reveals himself to be a HangingJudge to whom AllCrimesAreEqual (and death being the only sentence). To be fair, though, we only see him interact with people guilty of crimes like murder, abuse of authority and similar -- he ignores the party, who are not guilty of anything, until you attack him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Well, not good natured, as such. His enthusiasm for [[DropTheHammer breaking heads]] is such that even his sisters have no doubt that he'll do to Shadow exactly what he promised, regardless of what they go through...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Hey, every one to meet her [[LogicBomb and live to tell about it]] [[DontFearTheReaper say that she is pretty cool.]]

to:

** Hey, every one everyone who manages to meet her [[LogicBomb and live to tell about it]] [[DontFearTheReaper say says that she is pretty cool.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Additional example

Added DiffLines:

** Also subverted in the original ''Twilight Zone'' in "Nothing in the Dark." Not only is Death portrayed as kind and gentle, he's played by Robert Redford. . . seriously, look it up.

Top