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* Referenced in Literature/{{Discworld}}'s ''Literature/MakingMoney'', where in a discussion about killer golems, Moist replies "if you don't think of a fifty-foot-high killer golem first, someone else will".
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The series of events before the edit are out of order. The Alliance nuked Junius Seven before N-Jammers were created. In addition, it's not like the prejudice between Coordinators and Naturals started when Rau came into the picture and stopped when he was killed.
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* The warring sides of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' use this trope as justification for their deeds; both are led by extremists who aim for nothing less than the complete annihilation of the other side down to the last man, woman and child. Therefore, backing down and depending on MutuallyAssuredDestruction is equivalent to surrender. Things escalate when both sides acquire N-Jammer Canceller technology and a battle ensues where the Federation launches dozens of nukes at ZAFT's civilian population while ZAFT have a nuclear-powered WaveMotionGun pointed at Earth; had [[spoiler: The Three Ships Alliance]] failed to destroy these [=WMDs=], the result would've been a MutualKill. Fortunately, the extremists are killed during the battle, after which both sides have a HeelRealization and ''[[WarIsHell finally]]'' begin negotiations.
** One has to consider the additional fact that both the Federation and ZAFT were being manipulated by [[spoiler:Rau Le Creuset]] who believed the war can only be stopped for good by [[OmnicidalManiac having the two mutually annihilate each other, thus rendering humanity extinct]] and unable to war among themselves just for the sake of being different from each other. In other words, the spoiler character was invoking this trope.
** One has to consider the additional fact that both the Federation and ZAFT were being manipulated by [[spoiler:Rau Le Creuset]] who believed the war can only be stopped for good by [[OmnicidalManiac having the two mutually annihilate each other, thus rendering humanity extinct]] and unable to war among themselves just for the sake of being different from each other. In other words, the spoiler character was invoking this trope.
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* The warring sides of Earth Alliance from ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' use uses this trope as justification for their deeds; both are led by extremists who aim deeds. Seeing [[BioAugmentation Coordinators]] as sins against nature for nothing less than their partially artificial origins, the complete annihilation majority of them were driven from the other side down earth to live in space colonies. Seeing this as not enough, the last man, woman Earth Alliance destroys a civilian colony, with the casualties numbering in at least the hundreds of thousands. To prevent further nuking, ZAFT develops N-Jammers to [[ArtisticLicenseNuclearPhysics somehow stop nuclear reactions]] and child. Therefore, backing down and depending on MutuallyAssuredDestruction is equivalent to surrender. Things escalate when both sides acquire N-Jammer Canceller technology and a battle ensues where the Federation ZAFT launches dozens an invasion of nukes at ZAFT's civilian population while ZAFT have a nuclear-powered WaveMotionGun pointed at Earth; had [[spoiler: The Three Ships Alliance]] failed Earth to destroy these [=WMDs=], stop the result would've been a MutualKill. Fortunately, the extremists are killed during the battle, after which both sides have a HeelRealization and ''[[WarIsHell finally]]'' begin negotiations.
** One hasAlliance in part to consider the additional fact that both the Federation and ZAFT were being manipulated by [[spoiler:Rau Le Creuset]] who believed the war can only be stopped for good by [[OmnicidalManiac having the two mutually annihilate each other, thus rendering humanity extinct]] and unable to war among themselves just for the sake of being different keep them from each other. In other words, the spoiler character was invoking this trope. developing a countermeasure.
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** First two and only uses of Nuclear Bombs in warfare were deployed because of this trope. The United States knew that Japan would fight to the last man, woman, and child to defend the home islands and did not like the prospect of invasion that would have to be done to win the war. Casualties were expected to be some of the costliest in American History. (Fun Fact: About Half a million Purple Hearts, an award given to US military personnel for injuries sustained from enemy combat, were ordered in anticipation. As one historian put it, they were the best war surplus. The United States would not need to place another order for the decoration until 2000! Even then, the original WWII era medals are still given out... the country is just getting close to running out of them half a century later.). Needless to say, Truman recognized that there would be a lot of American troops killing Japanese civilians and vice versa and he had an advantage that could kill more of them before they killed his own.
** The entire reason the Soviet Union even sought a Nuclear Bomb was because the only people who had one at that time were people who were aggressively opposed to their political style. It didn't help that America had used Nukes in the past, and did threaten a first strike whereas the Soviet Union maintained Second-Strike Only policies (and meant them, not that the Americans knew that at the time).
* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to be nuked and they had to be nuked ''now'' before they got their hands on nukes capable of reaching the European republics of the USSR. Initially, cooler heads prevailed as it was hard to counter the incredibly obvious point that [[SelfFulfillingProphecy the quickest way to start a Total War with China was by nuking them]]. But as the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese nuclear program, and the border skirmishes all escalated the Soviets eventually agreed that they really were on a course to Total War and something had to be done. Accordingly, they merely threatened to nuke the PRC's research facilities if they refused to negotiate an end to the border skirmishes (while accepting the Chinese development of nuclear weapons in principle). Which they did, ushering in Sino-Soviet Détente.
* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
** "Anyone who has ever looked into the face of a Red commissar knows what the Bolsheviks are. There is no need here for theoretical reflections. It would be an insult to animals if one were to call the features of these, largely Jewish, tormentors of people beasts. They are the embodiment of the infernal, of the personified insane hatred of everything that is noble in humanity. In the shape of these commissars we witness the revolt of the subhuman against noble blood. The masses whom they are driving to their deaths with every means of icy terror and lunatic incitement would have brought about an end of all meaningful life, had the incursion not been prevented at the last moment" - German Army Information Pamphlet
** The entire reason the Soviet Union even sought a Nuclear Bomb was because the only people who had one at that time were people who were aggressively opposed to their political style. It didn't help that America had used Nukes in the past, and did threaten a first strike whereas the Soviet Union maintained Second-Strike Only policies (and meant them, not that the Americans knew that at the time).
* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to be nuked and they had to be nuked ''now'' before they got their hands on nukes capable of reaching the European republics of the USSR. Initially, cooler heads prevailed as it was hard to counter the incredibly obvious point that [[SelfFulfillingProphecy the quickest way to start a Total War with China was by nuking them]]. But as the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese nuclear program, and the border skirmishes all escalated the Soviets eventually agreed that they really were on a course to Total War and something had to be done. Accordingly, they merely threatened to nuke the PRC's research facilities if they refused to negotiate an end to the border skirmishes (while accepting the Chinese development of nuclear weapons in principle). Which they did, ushering in Sino-Soviet Détente.
* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
** "Anyone who has ever looked into the face of a Red commissar knows what the Bolsheviks are. There is no need here for theoretical reflections. It would be an insult to animals if one were to call the features of these, largely Jewish, tormentors of people beasts. They are the embodiment of the infernal, of the personified insane hatred of everything that is noble in humanity. In the shape of these commissars we witness the revolt of the subhuman against noble blood. The masses whom they are driving to their deaths with every means of icy terror and lunatic incitement would have brought about an end of all meaningful life, had the incursion not been prevented at the last moment" - German Army Information Pamphlet
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** First The first two and only uses of Nuclear Bombs nuclear bombs in warfare were deployed because of this trope. The United States knew that Japan would fight to the last man, woman, and child to defend the home islands and did not like the prospect of invasion that would have to be done to win the war. Casualties were expected to be some of the costliest in American History. history. (Fun Fact: fact: About Half a million Purple Hearts, an award given to US military personnel for injuries sustained from enemy combat, were ordered in anticipation. As one historian put it, they were the best war surplus. The United States would not need to place another order for the decoration until 2000! Even then, the original WWII era medals are still given out... the country is just getting close to running out of them half a century later.). Needless to say, Truman recognized that there would be a lot of American troops killing Japanese civilians and vice versa versa, and he had an advantage that could kill more of them before they killed his own.
** The entire reason the Soviet Union even sought aNuclear Bomb nuclear bomb was because that the only people who had one at that time were people who were aggressively opposed to their political style. It didn't help that America had used Nukes nukes in the past, and did threaten a first strike whereas the Soviet Union maintained Second-Strike Only policies (and meant them, not that the Americans knew that at the time).
* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to benuked nuked, and they had to be nuked ''now'' before they got their hands on nukes capable of reaching the European republics of the USSR. Initially, cooler heads prevailed prevailed, as it was hard to counter the incredibly obvious point that [[SelfFulfillingProphecy the quickest way to start a Total War with China was by nuking them]]. But as the Cultural Revolution, the Chinese nuclear program, and the border skirmishes all escalated escalated, the Soviets eventually agreed that they really were on a course to Total War and something had to be done. Accordingly, they merely threatened to nuke the PRC's research facilities if they refused to negotiate an end to the border skirmishes (while accepting the Chinese development of nuclear weapons in principle). Which they did, ushering in Sino-Soviet Détente.
* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. The Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
** "Anyone who has ever looked into the face of a Red commissar knows what the Bolsheviks are. There is no need here for theoretical reflections. It would be an [[InsultToRocks insult toanimals animals]] if one were to call the features of these, largely Jewish, tormentors of people beasts. They are the embodiment of the infernal, of the personified insane hatred of everything that is noble in humanity. In the shape of these commissars we witness the revolt of the subhuman against noble blood. The masses whom they are driving to their deaths with every means of icy terror and lunatic incitement would have brought about an end of all meaningful life, had the incursion not been prevented at the last moment" - German Army Information Pamphlet
** The entire reason the Soviet Union even sought a
* A serious debate in the Soviet 1970s was whether or not it was best to nuke the PRC's atomic and rocket research facilities, since many argued that an escalation of the Sino-Soviet border skirmishes into a Total War was basically inevitable: the Chinese were crazy, they said (with some justification, as the Cultural Revolution was ongoing), and would never again accept 'peaceful co-existence' because it constituted acceptance of the heretical doctrine of 'Soviet Revisionism' (i.e. administration of the country by bureaucrats and not 'the people' themselves) and thus an end to Mao's much-vaunted 'Perpetual Revolution'. Therefore, the Chinese had to be
* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. The Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
** "Anyone who has ever looked into the face of a Red commissar knows what the Bolsheviks are. There is no need here for theoretical reflections. It would be an [[InsultToRocks insult to
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** Interestingly, although German propaganda was fairly clear on the point that Judeo-Bolshevik overlordship would be replaced by German rule, no mention was made of the German authorities' genocidal plans for the region's non-Jewish population. [[note]] This is because the basic idea seems to have been to exterminate a quarter of the region's population (c. 30 million) in the short-term and enslave the rest, who would be sterilized and exterminated as needed to make room for settlement by ethnic Germans in the medium-term - the long-term goal of course being to replace the entire population with Aryan-German settlers (though some Fit elements of the more Aryan native ethnicities might not have been sterilized or exterminated) [[/note]] This allowed German military personnel to feel not just that they were waging a defensive war of liberation, but [[{{Irony}} that they were fighting to stop genocide]]:
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** Interestingly, although German propaganda was fairly clear on the point that Judeo-Bolshevik overlordship would be replaced by German rule, no mention was made of the German authorities' genocidal plans for the region's non-Jewish population. [[note]] This is because the basic idea seems to have been to exterminate a quarter of the region's population (c. 30 million) in the short-term and enslave the rest, who would be sterilized and exterminated as needed to make room for settlement by ethnic Germans in the medium-term - the long-term goal of course being to replace the entire population with Aryan-German settlers (though some Fit elements of the more Aryan native ethnicities might not have been sterilized or exterminated) exterminated). [[/note]] This allowed German military personnel to feel not just that they were waging a defensive war of liberation, but [[{{Irony}} that they were fighting to stop genocide]]:
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* Another interesting point relating to the Conspiracy Theory that papa Stalin was about to invade Germany: when UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust became popular knowledge in the 1960s some of those groups switched to a "Stalin-Bolshevik" model. The last popular scholar to advance the view that the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany was the Soviet defector Victor Suvorov, who in the 1970s used circumstantial evidence hinting at Soviet plans to counter-attack the Germans on the borders of the Soviet Union and drive them back into Germany when the war began as 'proof' that the Soviet Union was going to declare war on Germany. Direct examination of the actual plans in the 1990s revealed the true nature of the planned operation, a defensive counter-offensive. [[note]] The plan was very much a product of its time. It called for fighting the enemy on the Soviet-German border and driving them back into Germany, attacking the Germans at every turn rather than mounting what we (and the Red Army of earlier and later years) would consider a proper defense. At the time of the plan's creation, planning for fighting within Soviet territory and defensive actions in general were politically risky because of their association with military academics purged for 'defeatism'. In the aftermath of the purges ''nobody'' wanted to be the first person to find out if going against the anti-defensive trend was going to get them imprisoned (it wouldn't have, but they didn't know that) [[/note]]
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* Another interesting point relating to the Conspiracy Theory that papa Stalin was about to invade Germany: when UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust became popular knowledge in the 1960s 1960s, some of those groups switched to a "Stalin-Bolshevik" model. The last popular scholar to advance the view that the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany was the Soviet defector Victor Suvorov, who in the 1970s used circumstantial evidence hinting at Soviet plans to counter-attack the Germans on the borders of the Soviet Union and drive them back into Germany when the war began as 'proof' that the Soviet Union was going to declare war on Germany. Direct examination of the actual plans in the 1990s revealed the true nature of the planned operation, a defensive counter-offensive. [[note]] The plan was very much a product of its time. It called for fighting the enemy on the Soviet-German border and driving them back into Germany, attacking the Germans at every turn rather than mounting what we (and the Red Army of earlier and later years) would consider a proper defense. At the time of the plan's creation, planning for fighting within Soviet territory and defensive actions in general were politically risky because of their association with military academics purged for 'defeatism'. In the aftermath of the purges purges, ''nobody'' wanted to be the first person to find out if going against the anti-defensive trend was going to get them imprisoned (it wouldn't have, but they didn't know that) that). [[/note]]
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* This is a popular theory for why people allowed the commons in medieval England to be overgrazed. "If I cut back and give the fields time to recover then someone else will just come along and overgraze the field anyways. They'll have better fed cattle and I'll be cut off from a free resource." And that was a real [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons tragedy]].
* Second and Third UsefulNotes/PunicWars were largely the result of both Carthaginians and Romans fearing a future invasion from one another. The second one was started when it became clear to Carthage that Romans weren't going to tolerate their territorial expansions in Iberia for any longer. The third one on the other hand started when what little remained of Carthage after the devastation of the second war was getting back on its legs. Romans started to fear that they might become a threat once again and decided to [[FinalSolution annihilate the entire Carthaginian population]].
* Second and Third UsefulNotes/PunicWars were largely the result of both Carthaginians and Romans fearing a future invasion from one another. The second one was started when it became clear to Carthage that Romans weren't going to tolerate their territorial expansions in Iberia for any longer. The third one on the other hand started when what little remained of Carthage after the devastation of the second war was getting back on its legs. Romans started to fear that they might become a threat once again and decided to [[FinalSolution annihilate the entire Carthaginian population]].
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* This is a popular theory for why people allowed the commons in medieval England to be overgrazed. "If I cut back and give the fields time to recover recover, then someone else will just come along and overgraze the field anyways. They'll have better fed better-fed cattle and I'll be cut off from a free resource." And that was a real [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons tragedy]].
* The Second and Third UsefulNotes/PunicWars were largely the result of both Carthaginians and Romans fearing a future invasion from one another. The second one was started when it became clear to Carthage that Romans weren't going to tolerate their territorial expansions in Iberia for any longer. The thirdone one, on the other hand hand, started when what little remained of Carthage after the devastation of the second war was getting back on its legs. Romans started to fear that they might become a threat once again again, and decided to [[FinalSolution annihilate the entire Carthaginian population]].
* The Second and Third UsefulNotes/PunicWars were largely the result of both Carthaginians and Romans fearing a future invasion from one another. The second one was started when it became clear to Carthage that Romans weren't going to tolerate their territorial expansions in Iberia for any longer. The third
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*A Talmudic dictum (Sanhedrin 72:1) is: "If someone comes to kill you, get up early to kill him first", also translated "rise up and kill him first".
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*A Talmudic dictum (Sanhedrin 72:1) is: "If someone comes to kill you, get up early to kill him first", also translated "rise up and kill him first".
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* This was the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration's rationale for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, based on claims that the country had weapons of mass destruction before such claims could be fully verified. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice famously said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Bush and other administration officials repeatedly stressed links between Iraq and Al-Qaida, without evidence, in the months leading up to the conflict, when many Americans were still fearful of another terrorist attack.
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* This was the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration's rationale for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, based on claims that the country had weapons of mass destruction before such claims could be fully verified. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice famously said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud." Bush and other administration officials repeatedly stressed links between Iraq and Al-Qaida, without evidence, in the months leading up to the conflict, when many Americans were still fearful of another terrorist attack.attack after 9/11.
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* This was the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration's rationale for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, based on claims that the country had weapons of mass destruction before such claims could be fully verified. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice famously said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
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* This was the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration's rationale for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, based on claims that the country had weapons of mass destruction before such claims could be fully verified. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice famously said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."" Bush and other administration officials repeatedly stressed links between Iraq and Al-Qaida, without evidence, in the months leading up to the conflict, when many Americans were still fearful of another terrorist attack.
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* This was the UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush administration's rationale for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, based on claims that the country had weapons of mass destruction before such claims could be fully verified. Then-National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice famously said, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."
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* The [[SerialKiller Bloodliner Hunter]] in ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'' believes that Bloodliners will cause a war that will destroy the world in the future if left to their own devices, so he's trying to kill as many of them ([[WouldHurtAChild even children]]) before that they can do so.
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* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'': in "A Rickle In Time", Rick and his grand-kids are split into two timelines. He attempts to fix the issue by merging their timelines back together, but runs into a snag, and immediately assumes that this means the other Rick gave up on merging and have moved on to trying to kill the other, motivating both to kill the other before they are killed.
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* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'': in "A Rickle In Time", Rick and his grand-kids are split into two timelines. He attempts to fix the issue by merging their timelines back together, but runs into a snag, and immediately assumes that this means the other Rick gave up on merging and have has moved on to trying to try and kill the other, motivating both Ricks to actively try and kill the other before they themselves are killed.
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* PlayedForLaughs on ''Series/TheRedGreenShow'' when Mike Hamar (a career criminal) tries to pass this off as a biblical quote.
--> '''Red:''' I don't remember that in the King James Version. Maybe the ''Jesse'' James Version.
--> '''Red:''' I don't remember that in the King James Version. Maybe the ''Jesse'' James Version.
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* PlayedForLaughs on ''Series/TheRedGreenShow'' when in which Mike Hamar (a career criminal) tries to pass this off as a biblical quote.
quote, told to him by his (one of his) father(s).
--> '''Red:''' I don't remember that in the King JamesVersion. version. Maybe the ''Jesse'' James Version.version.\\
'''Mike:''' Well, all I know is that my father was a clergyman, because he was a drummer in a Music/JudasPriest tribute band.
--> '''Red:''' I don't remember that in the King James
'''Mike:''' Well, all I know is that my father was a clergyman, because he was a drummer in a Music/JudasPriest tribute band.
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* An episode of ''Series/{{NCIS}}'' has a crazed engineer convince a submarine crewman that the US needs to start a preemptive war with Russia before the latter becomes too dangerous. They fake attack orders for the submarine captain and make sure the orders couldn't be countermanded. Fortunately, NCIS agents manage to stop them before they launch torpedoes at Russian warships. Then again, Pentagon was about to sink the sub, just in case. Even then, the arrested crewmember keeps screaming that if "we don't attack, we'll all die".
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* PlayedForLaughs in a ''ComicStrip/BabyBlues'' strip, wherein Wanda catches Zoe putting salt in Hammie's milk. Zoe defends her actions saying that she is following the Golden Rule: "Do unto brothers before they do unto you." Wanda suggests they read the real Golden Rule again.
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* In an episode of ''Series/SevenDays'', a [[GeneralRipper rogue admiral]] wanted to start a war with China before "[[ChinaTakesOverTheWorld the red dragon awakens]]" and was willing to get himself and the crew of an American destroyer killed to do that. Fortunately, Parker manages to get the President on the line, who countermands the Admiral's orders.
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* In ''Literature/TheLostFleet'', this is pretty much the Bear-Cows' philosophy. While looking like cute teddy bears with some bovine features, they also prove that herbivore does not mean harmless. Their "herd first" mentality is taken to the extreme. They have exterminated every predator and potential rival species from their home planet and are determined to do the same in space. Even if someone is not a predator (whom they attack on sight), they are still a potential rival for resources, who may one day attack. Therefore, the Bear-Cows will wipe them out first.
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** This is explored in ''Literature/EndersShadow'', where Bean figures this out by attempting to postulate how Earth might prepare for the Third Invasion. Through a series of logical steps, he realizes that there ''is'' no way to adequately protect a planet in three-dimensional space, since all the Formics would have to do was get a single ship past the human blockade to lay waste to Earth. Therefore, an all-out attack is the only logical option.
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* ''Film/StarshipTroopers'': Both sides see the other as a hideous horde of insane vermin, who hate everything their very genes stand for (humans represent arrogance and infighting, bugs represent obedience and gluttony) and [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar will do anything they can to wipe the other side out]]. Fancy that.
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* ''Film/StarshipTroopers'': Both sides see the other as a hideous horde of insane vermin, who hate everything their very genes stand for (humans represent arrogance and infighting, bugs represent obedience and gluttony) and [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar will do anything they can to wipe the other side out]]. [[NotSoDifferent Fancy that.]]
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* The ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' series revolves around several DeadlyGame[=s=]. Naturally, even heroic participants are worried by the fact that their 'opponents' could easily betray them if left alive. Given that several murderers are also participating, there are actually times when killing someone ''is'' the right and sensible decision. Not shooting [[spoiler:Eric]] in ''[=ZTD=]'', for example, will lead to a bad ending where he fatally shoots the protagonist.
* The ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' series revolves around several DeadlyGame[=s=]. Naturally, even heroic participants are worried by the fact that their 'opponents' could easily betray them if left alive. Given that several murderers are also participating, there are actually times when killing someone ''is'' the right and sensible decision. Not shooting [[spoiler:Eric]] in ''[=ZTD=]'', for example, will lead to a bad ending where he fatally shoots the protagonist.
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* The ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' series revolves around several DeadlyGame[=s=]. Naturally, even heroic participants are worried by the fact that their 'opponents' could easily betray them if left alive. Given that several murderers are also participating, there are actually times when killing someone ''is'' the right and sensible decision. Not shooting [[spoiler:Eric]] in
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucate their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''[[TheExtremistWasRight did]]'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucate their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''[[TheExtremistWasRight did]]'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because "[[FeelingOppressedByTheirExistence because fuck you", you]]", and they are being good sports to the winners:
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* This is the tenor of "Dark Forest theory" in ''Literature/TheThreeBodyProblem'': with a finite amount of universe and little chance to develop trust, any species is a threat, and that means any species exposing its existence is a target.
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* This is the sort of reasoning that [[HobbesWasRight Thomas Hobbes]] feared would dominate people's actions in the absence of an all-powerful ruler whom none could overpower (making it downright suicidal to shoot first, last, or ever). He thought that even genuinely good-natured people would be motivated by worries that their neighbors might not be equally peaceable, leading them to kill lest they be killed (though it should be noted that Hobbes believed ''most'' humans [[HumansAreBastards didn't need this excuse]]). His [[InsaneTrollLogic conclusion]] was naturally to have a central authority, inherently ran by the humans he thought were all bastards, to horde all the power to "Do Unto Others," and leave them constantly paranoid regarding the proles.
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* This is the sort of reasoning that [[HobbesWasRight Thomas Hobbes]] feared would dominate people's actions in the absence of an all-powerful ruler whom none could overpower (making it downright suicidal to shoot first, last, or ever). He thought that even genuinely good-natured people would be motivated by worries that their neighbors might not be equally peaceable, leading them to kill lest they be killed (though it should be noted that Hobbes believed ''most'' humans [[HumansAreBastards didn't need this excuse]]). His [[InsaneTrollLogic conclusion]] was naturally to have a central authority, inherently ran by the humans he thought were all bastards, to horde all the power to "Do Unto Others," and leave them constantly paranoid regarding the proles.
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* This is the sort of reasoning that [[HobbesWasRight Thomas Hobbes]] feared would dominate people's actions in the absence of an all-powerful ruler whom none could overpower (making it downright suicidal to shoot first, last, or ever). He thought that even genuinely good-natured people would be motivated by worries that their neighbors might not be equally peaceable, leading them to kill lest they be killed (though it should be noted that Hobbes believed ''most'' humans [[HumansAreBastards didn't need this excuse]]).
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* This is the sort of reasoning that [[HobbesWasRight Thomas Hobbes]] feared would dominate people's actions in the absence of an all-powerful ruler whom none could overpower (making it downright suicidal to shoot first, last, or ever). He thought that even genuinely good-natured people would be motivated by worries that their neighbors might not be equally peaceable, leading them to kill lest they be killed (though it should be noted that Hobbes believed ''most'' humans [[HumansAreBastards didn't need this excuse]]). His [[InsaneTrollLogic conclusion]] was naturally to have a central authority, inherently ran by the humans he thought were all bastards, to horde all the power to "Do Unto Others," and leave them constantly paranoid regarding the proles.
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* The warring sides of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' use this trope as justification for their deeds; both are led by extremists who aim for nothing less than the complete annihilation of the other side down to the last man, woman and child. Therefore, backing down and depending on MutuallyAssuredDestruction is equivalent to surrender. Things escalate when both sides aquire N-Jammer Canceller technology and a battle ensues where the Federation launches dozens of nukes at ZAFT's civilian population while ZAFT have a nuclear-powered WaveMotionGun pointed at Earth; had [[spoiler: The Three Ships Alliance]] failed to destroy these [=WMDs=], the result would've been a MutualKill. Fortunately, the extremists are killed during the battle, after which both sides have a HeelRealization and ''[[WarIsHell finally]]'' begin negotiations.
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* The warring sides of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED'' use this trope as justification for their deeds; both are led by extremists who aim for nothing less than the complete annihilation of the other side down to the last man, woman and child. Therefore, backing down and depending on MutuallyAssuredDestruction is equivalent to surrender. Things escalate when both sides aquire acquire N-Jammer Canceller technology and a battle ensues where the Federation launches dozens of nukes at ZAFT's civilian population while ZAFT have a nuclear-powered WaveMotionGun pointed at Earth; had [[spoiler: The Three Ships Alliance]] failed to destroy these [=WMDs=], the result would've been a MutualKill. Fortunately, the extremists are killed during the battle, after which both sides have a HeelRealization and ''[[WarIsHell finally]]'' begin negotiations.
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* The third, unnamed Entian power in Creator/StanislawLem's ''Literature/ObservationOnTheSpot'' was attaked by ''both'' [[EnemyMine Lusanians and Kurdlandians]] for the fear of them getting hit by the DepopulationBomb they've got rumors of (or were developing themselves, it's somewhat unclear). Poor southerners never stood a chance, though the reader is left with the impression that they ''indeed'' planned [[NotSoDifferent to do the same]] to their northern counterparts. Interestingly, even the fact that the third power ''existed'' is suppressed in both countries.
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* The third, unnamed Entian power in Creator/StanislawLem's ''Literature/ObservationOnTheSpot'' was attaked attacked by ''both'' [[EnemyMine Lusanians and Kurdlandians]] for the fear of them getting hit by the DepopulationBomb they've got rumors of (or were developing themselves, it's somewhat unclear). Poor southerners never stood a chance, though the reader is left with the impression that they ''indeed'' planned [[NotSoDifferent to do the same]] to their northern counterparts. Interestingly, even the fact that the third power ''existed'' is suppressed in both countries.
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** "Now I know first hand what war really means. I also know however that we are forced into this struggle against the Soviet Union. For God have mercy on us, for if we had waited, or if these beasts had come to us. For them the most gruesome death is too beautiful. I am fortunate, therefore, that I should be here to put a stop to the handiwork of this genocidal system [völkervernichtenden]" - German Army private Frederich Fallnbigl, letter written July 1941 [[note]] printed in David Redles' ''Hitler's Millenial Reich: Apocalyptic Belief and the Search for Salvation'' p.175 [[/note]]
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** "Now I know first hand what war really means. I also know however that we are forced into this struggle against the Soviet Union. For God have mercy on us, for if we had waited, or if these beasts had come to us. For them the most gruesome death is too beautiful. I am fortunate, therefore, that I should be here to put a stop to the handiwork of this genocidal system [völkervernichtenden]" - -- German Army private Frederich Fallnbigl, letter written July 1941 [[note]] printed in David Redles' ''Hitler's Millenial Millennial Reich: Apocalyptic Belief and the Search for Salvation'' p.175 [[/note]]
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Stalin was not a nice guy and he would double-cross anyone if it fitted his purposes. So come on.
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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, fanboys and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
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* A*nother interesting point relating to the Conspiracy Theory that papa Stalin was about to invade Germany: when UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust became popular knowledge in the 1960s some of those groups switched to a "Stalin-Bolshevik" model. The last popular scholar to advance the view that the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany was the Soviet defector Victor Suvorov, who in the 1970s used circumstantial evidence hinting at Soviet plans to counter-attack the Germans on the borders of the Soviet Union and drive them back into Germany when the war began as 'proof' that the Soviet Union was going to declare war on Germany. Direct examination of the actual plans in the 1990s revealed the true nature of the planned operation, a defensive counter-offensive. [[note]] The plan was very much a product of its time. It called for fighting the enemy on the Soviet-German border and driving them back into Germany, attacking the Germans at every turn rather than mounting what we (and the Red Army of earlier and later years) would consider a proper defense. At the time of the plan's creation, planning for fighting within Soviet territory and defensive actions in general were politically risky because of their association with military academics purged for 'defeatism'. In the aftermath of the purges ''nobody'' wanted to be the first person to find out if going against the anti-defensive trend was going to get them imprisoned (it wouldn't have, but they didn't know that) [[/note]]
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* A*nother Another interesting point relating to the Conspiracy Theory that papa Stalin was about to invade Germany: when UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust became popular knowledge in the 1960s some of those groups switched to a "Stalin-Bolshevik" model. The last popular scholar to advance the view that the Soviet Union was about to attack Germany was the Soviet defector Victor Suvorov, who in the 1970s used circumstantial evidence hinting at Soviet plans to counter-attack the Germans on the borders of the Soviet Union and drive them back into Germany when the war began as 'proof' that the Soviet Union was going to declare war on Germany. Direct examination of the actual plans in the 1990s revealed the true nature of the planned operation, a defensive counter-offensive. [[note]] The plan was very much a product of its time. It called for fighting the enemy on the Soviet-German border and driving them back into Germany, attacking the Germans at every turn rather than mounting what we (and the Red Army of earlier and later years) would consider a proper defense. At the time of the plan's creation, planning for fighting within Soviet territory and defensive actions in general were politically risky because of their association with military academics purged for 'defeatism'. In the aftermath of the purges ''nobody'' wanted to be the first person to find out if going against the anti-defensive trend was going to get them imprisoned (it wouldn't have, but they didn't know that) [[/note]] [[/note]]
** Seeing that papa Stalin ''did'' break the alliance he had with the Reich at the first opportunity it became profitable...
** Seeing that papa Stalin ''did'' break the alliance he had with the Reich at the first opportunity it became profitable...
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"Poles". Riiight. Because we're the ones dumb enough to fall for that. Of course.
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* Minor premise: [[HumansAreBastards All humans are bastards.]]
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* Minor premise: [[HumansAreBastards All humans are bastards.prone to using weapons.]]
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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, Poles, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
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* It was [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler's]] favourite excuse for invading countries. Soviet Union also loved using this excuse. Some anti-communists, Poles, ''Wehrmacht'' fanboys, and German nationalists ''still, to this day,'' follow the official line of Nazi Germany: that the Jewish puppetmasters controlling the Soviet Union were going to make it invade Germany and then exterminate all European people (because the superior intellect and morality inherent to European races made them the only ones capable of resisting Jewish manipulation). DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs [[GuiltFreeExterminationWar was invoked to morally justify]] the war.
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', the ThievesGuild in general and Master Thief Gentleman Jim Stacey are normally violence averse. Despite their best efforts to bribe and/or blackmail their rivals in the [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], they are [[MurderIsTheBestSolution forced to kill]] members of other factions that are planning to kill Stacey or other members of the Guild.
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'', the ThievesGuild in general and especially Master Thief Gentleman Jim Stacey are normally violence averse. Despite their best efforts to bribe and/or blackmail their rivals in the [[TheSyndicate Camonna Tong]], they are [[MurderIsTheBestSolution forced to kill]] members of other factions that are planning to kill Stacey or other members of the Guild.
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Has nothing to do with familiarity with in-universe fiction.
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* ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'': When John Constantine was hired by a corrupt adviser to the Royal Family to discreetly resolve some demon business, his anarchist friend tried to warn him that they'll betray him [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness as soon as his work is done.]] John is [[GenreSavvy not unaware]] of the possibility, and reassures his friend that he will follow his usual strategy: "Screw them before they screw me."
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* ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'': When John Constantine was hired by a corrupt adviser to the Royal Family to discreetly resolve some demon business, his anarchist friend tried to warn him that they'll betray him [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness as soon as his work is done.]] John is [[GenreSavvy not unaware]] unaware of the possibility, and reassures his friend that he will follow his usual strategy: "Screw them before they screw me."
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* In Series/HillStreetBlues, Sgt. Yablonsky would dismiss the police day watch with the above phrase almost exactly. "Let's do it to them before they do it to us." If it wasn't for Captain Furillo riding herd on Lt. Hunter and keeping him from starting World War III at every chance, the entire police force would have become what Joyce Davenport sardonically referred to the police as: a Nazi occupation force.
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* In Series/HillStreetBlues, Sgt. Yablonsky would dismiss the police day watch with the above phrase almost exactly. "Let's do it to them before they do it to us." If it wasn't for Captain Furillo riding herd on Lt. Hunter and keeping him from starting World War III at every chance, his "destroy the village to save the village" tendencies in check, the entire police force would have become what Joyce Davenport sardonically referred to the police as: a Nazi occupation force.force.
** Apparently the showrunners realised the UnfortunateImplications, because Yablonski eventually got some dialogue making it clear that he didn't mean his catchphrase so literally as to justify PoliceBrutality.
** Apparently the showrunners realised the UnfortunateImplications, because Yablonski eventually got some dialogue making it clear that he didn't mean his catchphrase so literally as to justify PoliceBrutality.
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* Magneto's motive in some ''Film/XMen'' movies. In ''X2'' and ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' it's quite clearly "do unto them ''what they just tried to do to us'', so they don't get another shot at it". In X2 this involves a weaponized version of Cerebro; in ''First Class'' it involves a ton of missiles fired by US and Soviet fleets.
* In the 1950s ''StTrinians'' movies, the school song contains the lines:
* In the 1950s ''StTrinians'' movies, the school song contains the lines:
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* Magneto's motive in some ''Film/XMen'' ''[[Film/XMenFilmSeries X-Men]]'' movies. In ''X2'' ''Film/X2XMenUnited'' and ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' it's quite clearly "do unto them ''what they just tried to do to us'', so they don't get another shot at it". In X2 ''X2'' this involves a weaponized version of Cerebro; in ''First Class'' it involves a ton of missiles fired by US and Soviet fleets.
* In the 1950s''StTrinians'' ''Film/StTrinians'' movies, the school song contains the lines:
* In the 1950s
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''[[TheExtremistWasRight did]]'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
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* The Pluckans [[EarthShatteringKaboom trancklucating trancklucate their unnamed sister planet]] in ''Film/KinDzaDza'' "so that they don't do that to us". [[ThoseTwoGuys Wef and Bi]], who are from that exact planet, seem to be fine with that, because their people ''[[TheExtremistWasRight did]]'' plan to do the same for the sole reason of "because fuck you", and they are being good sports to the winners:
