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* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'', Sousuke, Kaname, and Kurz find themselves in a BolivianArmyEnding-type scenario, Kaname and Kurz briefly discuss the [[Film/ButchCassidyAndTheSundanceKid trope-naming movie]] (without naming names) and compare it to their situation. When Sousuke asks how it ended, Kaname says that [[LeftHanging you never find out]] and remarks that she always preferred movies with {{Happy Ending}}s.
* ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'': Since the eponymous character is [[spoiler:a GenreSavvy RealityWarper]] without her knowledge, ThisIsReality [[SkepticismFailure never occurs.]] She also discusses tropes while deliberately invoking them, for example while selecting personalities for SOS Brigade, or giving Mikuru a Moe makeover.

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* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'', ''Literature/FullMetalPanic'', Sousuke, Kaname, and Kurz find themselves in a BolivianArmyEnding-type scenario, Kaname and Kurz briefly discuss the [[Film/ButchCassidyAndTheSundanceKid trope-naming movie]] (without naming names) and compare it to their situation. When Sousuke asks how it ended, Kaname says that [[LeftHanging you never find out]] and remarks that she always preferred movies with {{Happy Ending}}s.
* ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'': ''Literature/HaruhiSuzumiya'': Since the eponymous character is [[spoiler:a GenreSavvy RealityWarper]] without her knowledge, ThisIsReality [[SkepticismFailure never occurs.]] She also discusses tropes while deliberately invoking them, for example while selecting personalities for SOS Brigade, or giving Mikuru a Moe makeover.



* ''LightNovel/{{Shimoneta}}'': During episode 5, Tanukichi and Ayame briefly discuss the matter of QuestionableConsent, in regard to Anna's lust for him. Ayame says [[AManIsAlwaysEager he should be happy]] now that he knows Anna wants to have sex with him, but Tanukichi refutes the idea because Anna's [[ShelteredAristocrat sheltered upbringing]] has left her incapable of properly distinguishing love from lust. Then adds that even if he only wanted Anna for her body, he couldn't enjoy it anyway since she doesn't know anything about how sex works. Her parents never explained it to her and they've passed legislation that [[MoralGuardians forbids even]] ''basic'' [[TheTalk Sex Ed]] from being taught at schools.

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* ''LightNovel/{{Shimoneta}}'': ''Literature/{{Shimoneta}}'': During episode 5, Tanukichi and Ayame briefly discuss the matter of QuestionableConsent, in regard to Anna's lust for him. Ayame says [[AManIsAlwaysEager he should be happy]] now that he knows Anna wants to have sex with him, but Tanukichi refutes the idea because Anna's [[ShelteredAristocrat sheltered upbringing]] has left her incapable of properly distinguishing love from lust. Then adds that even if he only wanted Anna for her body, he couldn't enjoy it anyway since she doesn't know anything about how sex works. Her parents never explained it to her and they've passed legislation that [[MoralGuardians forbids even]] ''basic'' [[TheTalk Sex Ed]] from being taught at schools.

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* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Colonel Mustang points out to Lt. Hughes that if he was in a war story, talking so much about how much he misses his family, while on the battlefield, would be a [[RetIrony surefire way to get killed]]. Especially ironic because [[spoiler:Lt. Hughes falls victim to that very same trope. Apparently it's not just on the battlefield]].
* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'', Sousuke, Kaname, and Kurz find themselves in a BolivianArmyEnding-type scenario, Kaname and Kurz briefly discuss the [[Film/ButchCassidyAndTheSundanceKid trope-naming movie]] (without naming names) and compare it to their situation. When Sousuke asks how it ended, Kaname says that [[LeftHanging you never find out]] and remarks that she always preferred movies with {{Happy Ending}}s.
* ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya'': Since the eponymous character is [[spoiler:a GenreSavvy RealityWarper]] without her knowledge, ThisIsReality [[SkepticismFailure never occurs.]] She also discusses tropes while deliberately invoking them, for example while selecting personalities for SOS Brigade, or giving Mikuru a Moe makeover.
* ''Manga/KaguyaSamaLoveIsWar'':
** In Chapter 181, Ishigami and Iino bring up OutdoorBathPeeping, and remark that besides it being creepy and immoral, it's also illegal and never done in real life without consequence. [[spoiler:This sets up that Shirogane and his friends were not planning on peeping on their female classmates while bathing, but catch them leaving the changing area with their hair still wet]].
** {{Shipping}} is extensively discussed when the school starts catching on Ishigami's LoveTriangle with Tsubame and Iino. The student body even come up with [[invoked]]PortmanteauCoupleName for each pairs, and get into an in-universe ShipToShipCombat over who's the better pair.
* Tropes are often discussed in ''Manga/LuckyStar''. This is understandable since one of the main characters is an OtakuSurrogate.



* Tropes are often discussed in ''Manga/LuckyStar''. This is understandable since one of the main characters is an OtakuSurrogate.
* ''LightNovel/HaruhiSuzumiya''. Since the eponymous character is [[spoiler:a GenreSavvy RealityWarper]] without her knowledge, ThisIsReality [[SkepticismFailure never occurs.]] She also discusses tropes while deliberately invoking them, for example while selecting personalities for SOS Brigade, or giving Mikuru a Moe makeover.
* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Colonel Mustang points out to Lt. Hughes that if he was in a war story, talking so much about how much he misses his family, while on the battlefield, would be a [[RetIrony surefire way to get killed]]. Especially ironic because [[spoiler:Lt. Hughes falls victim to that very same trope. Apparently it's not just on the battlefield.]]
* DefiledForever is discussed in ''Manga/WolfGuyWolfenCrest'', as a consequence of [[spoiler: Aoshika (a woman who had ''already'' been sexually abused in her past) being kidnapped and gangraped by Haguro and his goons.]]



* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'', Sousuke, Kaname, and Kurz find themselves in a BolivianArmyEnding-type scenario, Kaname and Kurz briefly discuss the [[Film/ButchCassidyAndTheSundanceKid trope-naming movie]] (without naming names) and compare it to their situation. When Sousuke asks how it ended, Kaname says that [[LeftHanging you never find out]] and remarks that she always preferred movies with {{Happy Ending}}s.



* ''Manga/KaguyaSamaLoveIsWar''
** In Chapter 181, Ishigami and Iino bring up OutdoorBathPeeping, and remark that besides it being creepy and immoral, it's also illegal and never done in real life without consequence. [[spoiler:This sets up that Shirogane and his friends were not planning on peeping on their female classmates while bathing, but catch them leaving the changing area with their hair still wet]].
** {{Shipping}} is extensively discussed when the school starts catching on Ishigami's LoveTriangle with Tsubame and Iino. The student body even come up with [[invoked]]PortmanteauCoupleName for each pairs, and get into an in-universe ShipToShipCombat over who's the better pair.

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* ''Manga/KaguyaSamaLoveIsWar''
** In Chapter 181, Ishigami and Iino bring up OutdoorBathPeeping, and remark that besides it being creepy and immoral, it's also illegal and never done in real life without consequence. [[spoiler:This sets up that Shirogane and his friends were not planning on peeping on their female classmates while bathing, but catch them leaving the changing area with their hair still wet]].
** {{Shipping}}
DefiledForever is extensively discussed when the school starts catching on Ishigami's LoveTriangle with Tsubame in ''Manga/WolfGuyWolfenCrest'', as a consequence of [[spoiler:Aoshika (a woman who had ''already'' been sexually abused in her past) being kidnapped and Iino. The student body even come up with [[invoked]]PortmanteauCoupleName for each pairs, gangraped by Haguro and get into an in-universe ShipToShipCombat over who's the better pair.his goons]].



* ''ComicBook/BerrybrookMiddleSchool'' discuss WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack. [[spoiler:Garrett after he frames Jorge by accident for being an Internet troll]]. He was already a bad friend before, blowing off homework and not helping his friends to impress James, the golden football child. Liv is understandably furious and treats [[spoiler:Garrett]] as an UnPerson even after he confesses. She says the fact that he was peer-pressured into it is no excuse for letting [[spoiler:Jorge take the fall]] and he shouldn't have said those mean things about her and her friends in the first place since [[spoiler:Garrett]] knows how important drama club is to Liv. Jorge notes that by all means he has every right to never talk to [[spoiler:Garrett]] again but can't hate him. After thinking about it for two weeks, [[spoiler:Liv says she'll give Garrett a second chance, but ''only'' if he fulfills all the conditions that he sets for her; they include no more lying to her and Jorge, doing his own homework on time, and apologizing to everyone he hurt. Garrett fulfills all of them showing he is really sorry, and Liv is able to forgive him]].

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* ''ComicBook/BerrybrookMiddleSchool'' discuss WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack. WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack in regards to [[spoiler:Garrett after he frames Jorge by accident for being an Internet troll]]. He was already a bad friend before, blowing off homework and not helping his friends to impress James, the golden football child. Liv is understandably furious and treats [[spoiler:Garrett]] as an UnPerson even after he confesses. She says the fact that he was peer-pressured into it is no excuse for letting [[spoiler:Jorge take the fall]] and he shouldn't have said those mean things about her and her friends in the first place since [[spoiler:Garrett]] knows how important drama club is to Liv. Jorge notes that by all means he has every right to never talk to [[spoiler:Garrett]] again but can't hate him. After thinking about it for two weeks, [[spoiler:Liv says she'll give Garrett a second chance, but ''only'' if he fulfills all the conditions that he sets for her; they include no more lying to her and Jorge, doing his own homework on time, and apologizing to everyone he hurt. Garrett fulfills all of them showing he is really sorry, and Liv is able to forgive him]].



* In Episode 48 of ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'', Semi-Perfect Cell approaches the collapsed Tien, who had just [[HeroicRRoD used up all his energy]] [[YouShallNotPass preventing him from getting Androids 18 and 16]], and lampshades what he believes will be Tien's last words. A barely-conscious Tien immediately cracks back with a different set:
-->'''Cell:''' You know, if you want my personal opinion, "Kikōhō" is a pretty sad choice of last words. But to be fair, [[ImpliedDeathThreat it's far from the worst decision you've made today]]!\\
'''Tien:''' [[DefiantToTheEnd Kikō-f*ck yourself]]…!\\
'''Cell:''' Aw, see? That's the spirit.
** All associated tropes would then be averted when Goku teleports in and extracts Tien and Piccolo.
* As a Haruhi/Tvtropes fanfic, this is a mainstay of ''Fanfic/KyonBigDamnHero''. One notable example is when Kyon discusses ThoseTwoGuys with [[ThoseTwoGuys Taniguchi and Kunikuda.]] Later, Haruhi, Mikuru, and Koizumi discuss ObliviousToLove in front of Kyon. He ''still'' doesn't get it.
* ''[[Fanfic/GameTheoryLyricalNanoha Power Games]]'' has Hayate and Chikaze discussing the ZombieApocalypse and most of its associated tropes.
-->'''Hayate:''' First off, the most important thing is to ''notice that there are zombies''. That's really crucial. Underline that.
* Prince Vince and Donny Juice discuss {{Love Triangle}}s in ''[[Fanfic/{{Cinderjuice}} Sleeping Beetle]]''. Notably, Vince explains the latter to Donny as being something he learned about while browsing This Very Wiki, although he doesn't reference it by name; he describes it as being "where all manner of storytelling devices are explored and explained."
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12590405/5/Per-Volar-Su-Nata Per Volar Su Nata]]'':
-->'''Hermione:''' We're not going to have one of those misunderstandings? You know, when you guys [[LetsYouAndHimFight fight each other to the death]] believing the other guy's a villain or something?\\
'''Robin:''' No.\\
'''Rachel:''' She has a point, Robin. How many times have members of the League, or of the Titans for that matter, clashed over a misunderstanding when they first met?\\
'''Robin:''' If that really was the case, Rachel, by that logic I should have been fighting with Harry the moment we walked in the door like a jealous psycho ex-boyfriend.

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* In Episode 48 of ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'', Semi-Perfect Cell approaches the collapsed Tien, who had just [[HeroicRRoD used up all his energy]] [[YouShallNotPass preventing him from getting Androids 18 and 16]], and lampshades what he believes will be Tien's last words. A barely-conscious Tien immediately cracks back with a different set:
-->'''Cell:''' You know, if you want my personal opinion, "Kikōhō" is a pretty sad choice of last words. But to be fair, [[ImpliedDeathThreat it's far from the worst decision you've made today]]!\\
'''Tien:''' [[DefiantToTheEnd Kikō-f*ck yourself]]…!\\
'''Cell:''' Aw, see? That's the spirit.
** All associated tropes would then be averted when Goku teleports in and extracts Tien and Piccolo.
* As a Haruhi/Tvtropes fanfic, this is a mainstay of ''Fanfic/KyonBigDamnHero''. One notable example is when Kyon discusses ThoseTwoGuys with [[ThoseTwoGuys Taniguchi and Kunikuda.]] Later, Haruhi, Mikuru, and Koizumi discuss ObliviousToLove in front of Kyon. He ''still'' doesn't get it.
* ''[[Fanfic/GameTheoryLyricalNanoha Power Games]]'' has Hayate and Chikaze discussing the ZombieApocalypse and most of its associated tropes.
-->'''Hayate:''' First off, the most important thing is to ''notice that there are zombies''. That's really crucial. Underline that.
* Prince Vince and Donny Juice discuss {{Love Triangle}}s in ''[[Fanfic/{{Cinderjuice}} Sleeping Beetle]]''. Notably, Vince explains the latter to Donny as being something he learned about while browsing This Very Wiki, although he doesn't reference it by name; he describes it as being "where all manner of storytelling devices are explored and explained."
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12590405/5/Per-Volar-Su-Nata Per Volar Su Nata]]'':
net/s/11990559/29/An-Abnormal-Godfather An Abnormal Godfather]]'':
-->'''Hermione:''' We're not going I'm so excited to have one of those misunderstandings? You know, when you guys [[LetsYouAndHimFight fight each other see if my rune carvings are sufficient to keep my block afloat!\\
'''Harry:''' I thought about naming my boat
the death]] believing the other guy's a villain or something?\\
'''Robin:''' No.\\
'''Rachel:''' She has a point, Robin. How many times have members of the League, or of the Titans for
Titanic, but I decided that matter, clashed over a misunderstanding when they first met?\\
'''Robin:''' If that really was the case, Rachel, by that logic I should have been fighting with Harry the moment we walked in the door like a jealous psycho ex-boyfriend.
might be [[WhatDidYouExpectWhenYouNamedIt asking for trouble]].



* In the ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'' fanfic ''Fanfic/LunchDateWithAGothAnIndieChickAndAWideEyedBubbleBoy,'' SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan is discussed. Gwen and Zoey tell Cameron that any girl dating him will be lucky, as he's a smart, nice, and overall decent guy.
* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12048619/44/The-Ilvermorny-Champion The Ilvermorny Champion]]'' Snape sneezes and promptly states that someone somewhere is [[SneezeCut talking about him]]. When he sneezes again he proclaims that whoever it is must be saying ''bad things''. The rest of the Hogwarts staff laugh it off.
* ''Fanfic/CatRa'' DirtyCoward is discussed. Adora eventually comes to this conclusion about Catra in her own version of the iconic scene from "Promise," believing Catra was never a true friend and always ran when they got in trouble, leaving her to take the rap.

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* In the ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'' fanfic ''Fanfic/LunchDateWithAGothAnIndieChickAndAWideEyedBubbleBoy,'' SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan is discussed. Gwen and Zoey tell Cameron that any girl dating him will be lucky, as he's a smart, nice, and overall decent guy.
* In
''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12048619/44/The-Ilvermorny-Champion The Ilvermorny Champion]]'' Snape sneezes and promptly states that someone somewhere is [[SneezeCut talking net/s/2638331/3/Bond Bond]]'':
-->'''Slyther:''' ''First off, you should find something to eat before you start hallucinating
about him]]. When he sneezes again he proclaims food.''\\
'''Harry:''' Hallucinating? What do you mean?\\
'''Slyther:''' ''Do you ever watch the television? Well, I was watching a show earlier today. Somebody didn't eat a single thing for days, and they started to hallucinate about [[MeatOVision a ball being a cheeseburger]].''\\
'''Harry:''' What exactly are you saying?\\
'''Slyther:''' ''You might start hallucinating
that whoever it is must be saying ''bad things''. The rest of the Hogwarts staff laugh it off.
I'm a French fry. You could eat me.''
* ''Fanfic/CatRa'' ''Fanfic/CatRa'': DirtyCoward is discussed. Adora eventually comes to this conclusion about Catra in her own version of the iconic scene from "Promise," believing Catra was never a true friend and always ran when they got in trouble, leaving her to take the rap.



* ''Fanfic/HeNeverToldYou'' InSpiteOfANail is discussed. Grace wonders if Simon would still be alive if he hadn't gotten on the train. The Cat points out that if Simon hadn't gotten on the train, there's no guarantee he'd have been any better off, due to how stubborn he was.
* ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'': When Chloe decides to run away, she brings up the FreeRangeChildren trope because 10-year-old kids in the Pokémon world essentially leave home so why shouldn't she?
** Talia brings up the BumblingDad trope when it comes to how her husband is, while not that bad of a parent, is probably not "going to get a 'World's Best Dad' mug from Chloe on Father's Day. This comes from the author thinking that Professor Cerise was oblivious to his daughter's insecurities.
** EasilyForgiven (specifically the aversion of it) is also brought up regarding Chloe's problem with both her father and Goh. Atticus tells her that forgiveness can be like a precious gem, and it shouldn't be handed out easily without assurance that you can trust the person. This allows Chloe to firmly tell Goh that she has no desire to forgive him for leaving her behind in his pursuit for Mew.



* In Episode 48 of ''WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged'', Semi-Perfect Cell approaches the collapsed Tien, who had just [[HeroicRRoD used up all his energy]] [[YouShallNotPass preventing him from getting Androids 18 and 16]], and lampshades what he believes will be Tien's last words. A barely-conscious Tien immediately cracks back with a different set:
-->'''Cell:''' You know, if you want my personal opinion, "Kikōhō" is a pretty sad choice of last words. But to be fair, [[ImpliedDeathThreat it's far from the worst decision you've made today]]!\\
'''Tien:''' [[DefiantToTheEnd Kikō-f*ck yourself]]...!\\
'''Cell:''' Aw, see? That's the spirit.
** All associated tropes would then be averted when Goku teleports in and extracts Tien and Piccolo.
* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14043306/44/The-Guile-of-the-Traveller The Guile of the Traveller]]'' Tom jokes about retrieving Harry from a hypothetical kidnapping situation.
-->'''Harry:''' I would be the [[PityTheKidnapper prisoner from hell]], though. I would pull a Julius Caesar on my captors.\\
'''Tom:''' What? Pretend to be insulted by the ransom proposed, forcing your captors to listen to your new compositions and yelling at them when you want to sleep and they are making too much noise?\\
'''Harry:''' That, and several other things.
* ''Fanfic/HeNeverToldYou'' InSpiteOfANail is discussed. Grace wonders if Simon would still be alive if he hadn't gotten on the train. The Cat points out that if Simon hadn't gotten on the train, there's no guarantee he'd have been any better off, due to how stubborn he was.
* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12048619/44/The-Ilvermorny-Champion The Ilvermorny Champion]]'', Snape sneezes and promptly states that someone somewhere is [[SneezeCut talking about him]]. When he sneezes again he proclaims that whoever it is must be saying ''bad things''. The rest of the Hogwarts staff laugh it off.
* ''Fanfic/InfinityTrainBlossomingTrail'':
** When Chloe decides to run away, she brings up the FreeRangeChildren trope because 10-year-old kids in the Pokémon world essentially leave home so why shouldn't she?
** Talia brings up the BumblingDad trope when it comes to how her husband is, while not that bad of a parent, is probably not "going to get a 'World's Best Dad' mug from Chloe on Father's Day. This comes from the author thinking that Professor Cerise was oblivious to his daughter's insecurities.
** EasilyForgiven (specifically the aversion of it) is also brought up regarding Chloe's problem with both her father and Goh. Atticus tells her that forgiveness can be like a precious gem, and it shouldn't be handed out easily without assurance that you can trust the person. This allows Chloe to firmly tell Goh that she has no desire to forgive him for leaving her behind in his pursuit for Mew.
* As a Haruhi/Tvtropes fanfic, this is a mainstay of ''Fanfic/KyonBigDamnHero''. One notable example is when Kyon discusses ThoseTwoGuys with [[ThoseTwoGuys Taniguchi and Kunikuda.]] Later, Haruhi, Mikuru, and Koizumi discuss ObliviousToLove in front of Kyon. He ''still'' doesn't get it.
* In the ''WesternAnimation/TotalDrama'' fanfic ''Fanfic/LunchDateWithAGothAnIndieChickAndAWideEyedBubbleBoy,'' SingleWomanSeeksGoodMan is discussed. Gwen and Zoey tell Cameron that any girl dating him will be lucky, as he's a smart, nice, and overall decent guy.



* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2638331/3/Bond Bond]]'':
-->'''Slyther:''' ''First off, you should find something to eat before you start hallucinating about food.''\\
'''Harry:''' Hallucinating? What do you mean?\\
'''Slyther:''' ''Do you ever watch the television? Well, I was watching a show earlier today. Somebody didn't eat a single thing for days, and they started to hallucinate about [[MeatOVision a ball being a cheeseburger]].''\\
'''Harry:''' What exactly are you saying?\\
'''Slyther:''' ''You might start hallucinating that I'm a French fry. You could eat me.''
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11990559/29/An-Abnormal-Godfather An Abnormal Godfather]]'':
-->'''Hermione:''' I'm so excited to see if my rune carvings are sufficient to keep my block afloat!\\
'''Harry:''' I thought about naming my boat the Titanic, but I decided that might be [[WhatDidYouExpectWhenYouNamedIt asking for trouble]].

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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/2638331/3/Bond Bond]]'':
-->'''Slyther:''' ''First off, you should find something to eat before you start hallucinating about food.''\\
'''Harry:''' Hallucinating? What do you mean?\\
'''Slyther:''' ''Do you ever watch the television? Well, I was watching a show earlier today. Somebody didn't eat a single thing for days, and they started to hallucinate about [[MeatOVision a ball being a cheeseburger]].''\\
'''Harry:''' What exactly are you saying?\\
'''Slyther:''' ''You might start hallucinating that I'm a French fry. You could eat me.''
* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11990559/29/An-Abnormal-Godfather An Abnormal Godfather]]'':
net/s/12590405/5/Per-Volar-Su-Nata Per Volar Su Nata]]'':
-->'''Hermione:''' I'm so excited We're not going to see if my rune carvings have one of those misunderstandings? You know, when you guys [[LetsYouAndHimFight fight each other to the death]] believing the other guy's a villain or something?\\
'''Robin:''' No.\\
'''Rachel:''' She has a point, Robin. How many times have members of the League, or of the Titans for that matter, clashed over a misunderstanding when they first met?\\
'''Robin:''' If that really was the case, Rachel, by that logic I should have been fighting with Harry the moment we walked in the door like a jealous psycho ex-boyfriend.
* ''[[Fanfic/GameTheoryLyricalNanoha Power Games]]'' has Hayate and Chikaze discussing the ZombieApocalypse and most of its associated tropes.
-->'''Hayate:''' First off, the most important thing is to ''notice that there
are sufficient zombies''. That's really crucial. Underline that.
* Prince Vince and Donny Juice discuss {{Love Triangle}}s in ''[[Fanfic/{{Cinderjuice}} Sleeping Beetle]]''. Notably, Vince explains the latter
to keep my block afloat!\\
'''Harry:''' I thought
Donny as being something he learned about naming my boat the Titanic, but I decided that might be [[WhatDidYouExpectWhenYouNamedIt asking for trouble]].while browsing This Very Wiki, although he doesn't reference it by name; he describes it as being "where all manner of storytelling devices are explored and explained."



* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14043306/44/The-Guile-of-the-Traveller The Guile of the Traveller]]'' Tom jokes about retrieving Harry from a hypothetical kidnapping situation.
-->'''Harry:''' I would be the [[PityTheKidnapper prisoner from hell]], though. I would pull a Julius Caesar on my captors.\\
'''Tom:''' What? Pretend to be insulted by the ransom proposed, forcing your captors to listen to your new compositions and yelling at them when you want to sleep and they are making too much noise?\\
'''Harry:''' That, and several other things.

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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14043306/44/The-Guile-of-the-Traveller The Guile of ''Fanfic/WeightOffYourShoulder'': After the Traveller]]'' Tom jokes about retrieving Harry from a hypothetical kidnapping situation.
-->'''Harry:''' I would be
new Ladybug deals with Hawk/Shadow Moth, Chloe and Lila, Alya asks Marinette and the [[PityTheKidnapper prisoner from hell]], though. I would pull a Julius Caesar on my captors.\\
'''Tom:''' What? Pretend to be insulted by the ransom proposed, forcing your captors to listen to your new compositions and yelling at them when you want to sleep and
rest of her friends if they think things are making too much noise?\\
'''Harry:''' That, and several other things.
TooGoodToBeTrue, suggesting they might have been better off with [[BetterTheDevilYouKnow the villains they already knew about]] rather than a potential EvilPowerVacuum. Her friends largely reject the notion, with Marinette [[ArmorPiercingQuestion pointing out]] that by ''that'' logic, superheroes should ''never'' arrest villains out of fear of what might follow.



* ''Film/GalaxyQuest'' does this frequently, mainly using the character of Guy, an actor who never quite got over how he played a RedShirt in the series:
-->"I'm not even supposed to be here; I'm just '[[NominalImportance Crewman Number Six]].' I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is!"



* ''Film/GalaxyQuest'' does this frequently, mainly using the character of Guy, an actor who never quite got over how he played a RedShirt in the series:
-->"I'm not even supposed to be here; I'm just '[[NominalImportance Crewman Number Six]].' I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is!"



* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' used these more than average. Especially common are references to the tropes of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' -- things like RubberForeheadAliens (not used in Animorphs), or [[SlowLaser Slow Lasers]] (which is used).
* The ''Literature/BlackJewels'' book ''Tangled Webs'' by Creator/AnneBishop has a couple of examples, mainly because the villain is a hack author. Two characters who had been making fun of the author's cliché-ridden writing are trapped in a house that's trying to kill them while the author watches from inside the walls and records it all as fodder for his next book. At one point, the characters comment that in a horror story, this is exactly when one of them would be stupid enough to go into the cellar. As they're saying this, the cellar door slams shut of its own accord -- if they had gone down the stairs, they would have been trapped. Later in the book, the (gay) male main character remarks to the female main character that this is the point in the story where they're supposed to have sex. They look at each other for a moment, and then the woman says, "So what do you want to do in the five minutes that would have taken?"



* In ''Literature/{{Masques}}'', Aralorn, when trying to convince her friend to take her with him on a dangerous mission, points out that she's not one of those women who get in the way [[DamselInDistress by always needing to be saved.]]
* The ''Literature/LordPeterWimsey'' stories tends to feature dialogue in which somebody discussing "If this were a mystery story…" Particularly common when his {{Love Interest|s}} Harriet Vane is present, as she ''is'' a writer of mystery stories.

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* Early in ''[[Literature/TheShadowspawn The Council of Shadows]]'', Ellen says "I'm supposed to [[TookALevelInBadass take a level in badassery]], right?" in reference to her training for self-defense against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Shadowspawn]].
* In ''Literature/{{Masques}}'', Aralorn, when trying Jay Williams and Raymond Abrashkin's ''Danny Dunn and the Universal Glue'' after Danny superglues Mr. Blaze's car seat to convince her friend try to take her keep him from attending the Environmental Committee's meeting, Joe jokes that if Danny ends up in jail he'll send him a [[JailBake cake with him on a dangerous mission, points out that she's not one of those women who get file in the way [[DamselInDistress by always needing to be saved.]]
* The ''Literature/LordPeterWimsey'' stories tends to feature dialogue in which somebody discussing "If this were a mystery story…" Particularly common when his {{Love Interest|s}} Harriet Vane is present, as she ''is'' a writer of mystery stories.
it]].



** In ''Literature/AHatFullOfSky'', the trope of someone getting ThreeWishes and [[ResetButton having to use the last one to undo the problems]] [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor caused by the first two]] is brought up as a plot point in regards to [[spoiler: how the Hiver operates.]]
* The ''Literature/BlackJewels'' book ''Tangled Webs'' by Creator/AnneBishop has a couple of examples, mainly because the villain is a hack author. Two characters who had been making fun of the author's cliché-ridden writing are trapped in a house that's trying to kill them while the author watches from inside the walls and records it all as fodder for his next book. At one point, the characters comment that in a horror story, this is exactly when one of them would be stupid enough to go into the cellar. As they're saying this, the cellar door slams shut of its own accord -- if they had gone down the stairs, they would have been trapped. Later in the book, the (gay) male main character remarks to the female main character that this is the point in the story where they're supposed to have sex. They look at each other for a moment, and then the woman says, "So what do you want to do in the five minutes that would have taken?"
* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' used these more than average. Especially common are references to the tropes of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' -- things like RubberForeheadAliens (not used in Animorphs), or [[SlowLaser Slow Lasers]] (which is used).
* Creator/RobertAHeinlein was particularly fond of having his characters do this, particularly ones who are established authors in-universe and who proceed to comment on the narrative structure of their own stories. ''Literature/TheCatWhoWalksThroughWalls'' is a prime example.
* ''Literature/{{Otherland}}'', by Creator/TadWilliams, contains an elaborately drawn out discussion of the ShaggyDogStory trope throughout the novels, triggered initially by the presence of a Bushman character whose tribal mythology is largely based on the concept, and later getting folded into the main plot by means of [[AIIsACrapshoot the Other's]] manipulations and the hidden agenda of [[MysteriousInformant Mr. Sellars]].
* In ''Literature/TheShatteringPreludeToCataclysm'', Thrall realizes that the Horde is suffering from the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman trope, as many of the young warriors started out killing undead in the war against the Scourge, and thus are somewhat desensitized to killing living opponents, making them more keen on going to war with the Alliance.
* Early in ''[[Literature/TheShadowspawn The Council of Shadows]]'', Ellen says "I'm supposed to [[TookALevelInBadass take a level in badassery]], right?" in reference to her training for self-defense against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Shadowspawn]].

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** In ''Literature/AHatFullOfSky'', the trope of someone getting ThreeWishes and [[ResetButton having to use the last one to undo the problems]] [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor caused by the first two]] is brought up as a plot point in regards to [[spoiler: how [[spoiler:how the Hiver operates.]]
operates]].
* The ''Literature/BlackJewels'' book ''Tangled Webs'' by Creator/AnneBishop has a couple of examples, mainly because the villain is a hack author. Two characters who had been making fun of the author's cliché-ridden writing Veronica in ''Literature/EdenGreen'' and Io in ''Literature/NewNight'' are trapped in a house that's trying self-proclaimed tropers. Veronica refers to kill them while the author watches from inside the walls and records it all as fodder for his next book. At one point, the characters comment that in a horror story, this is exactly when one of them would be stupid enough to go into the cellar. As they're saying this, the cellar door slams shut of its own accord -- if they had gone down the stairs, they would have been trapped. Later in the book, the (gay) male main character remarks to the female main character that this is the point in the story where they're supposed to have sex. They look at each other for a moment, and then the woman says, "So what do you want to do in the five minutes that would have taken?"
* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' used these more than average. Especially common are references to the tropes of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' -- things like RubberForeheadAliens (not used in Animorphs), or [[SlowLaser Slow Lasers]] (which is used).
* Creator/RobertAHeinlein was particularly fond of having his characters do this, particularly ones who are established authors in-universe and who proceed to comment on the narrative structure of
their own stories. ''Literature/TheCatWhoWalksThroughWalls'' is a prime example.
* ''Literature/{{Otherland}}'', by Creator/TadWilliams, contains an elaborately drawn out discussion of the ShaggyDogStory trope throughout the novels, triggered initially by the presence of a Bushman character whose tribal mythology is largely based on the concept, and later getting folded into the main plot by means of [[AIIsACrapshoot the Other's]] manipulations and the hidden agenda of [[MysteriousInformant Mr. Sellars]].
* In ''Literature/TheShatteringPreludeToCataclysm'', Thrall realizes that the Horde is suffering from the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman trope, as many of the young warriors started out killing undead in the war
fight against the Scourge, and thus are somewhat desensitized secret alien needle invasion as TheMasquerade, while Io compares one situation to killing living opponents, making them more keen on going to war with the Alliance.
* Early in ''[[Literature/TheShadowspawn The Council
[[Literature/TheTwoTowers a scene out of Shadows]]'', Ellen says "I'm supposed to [[TookALevelInBadass take a level in badassery]], right?" in reference to her training for self-defense against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Shadowspawn]].Tolkien]].



* In ''Literature/WingsOfFire'', [[TheIdealist Sunny]] gives a sentimental speech to the rest of her FiveManBand right before the story's climax talking about how they love each other no matter what happens. Glory responds by saying that kind of soppy speech means they're probably all going to die.
* Veronica in ''Literature/EdenGreen'' and Io in ''Literature/NewNight'' are self-proclaimed tropers. Veronica refers to their fight against the secret alien needle invasion as TheMasquerade, while Io compares one situation to [[Literature/TheTwoTowers a scene out of Tolkien]].

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* The ''Literature/LordPeterWimsey'' stories tends to feature dialogue in which somebody discussing "If this were a mystery story..." Particularly common when his {{Love Interest|s}} Harriet Vane is present, as she ''is'' a writer of mystery stories.
* In ''Literature/WingsOfFire'', [[TheIdealist Sunny]] gives a sentimental speech ''Literature/{{Masques}}'', Aralorn, when trying to the rest of convince her FiveManBand right before the story's climax talking about how they love each other no matter what happens. Glory responds by saying friend to take her with him on a dangerous mission, points out that kind she's not one of soppy speech those women who get in the way [[DamselInDistress by always needing to be saved.]]
* ''Literature/{{Otherland}}'', by Creator/TadWilliams, contains an elaborately drawn out discussion of the ShaggyDogStory trope throughout the novels, triggered initially by the presence of a Bushman character whose tribal mythology is largely based on the concept, and later getting folded into the main plot by
means they're probably all going to die.
* Veronica in ''Literature/EdenGreen''
of [[AIIsACrapshoot the Other's]] manipulations and Io in ''Literature/NewNight'' are self-proclaimed tropers. Veronica refers to their fight against the secret alien needle invasion as TheMasquerade, while Io compares one situation to [[Literature/TheTwoTowers a scene out hidden agenda of Tolkien]].[[MysteriousInformant Mr. Sellars]].



* In Jay Williams and Raymond Abrashkin's ''Danny Dunn and the Universal Glue'' after Danny superglues Mr. Blaze's car seat to try to keep him from attending the Environmental Committee's meeting, Joe jokes that if Danny ends up in jail he'll send him a [[JailBake cake with a file in it]].

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* Creator/RobertAHeinlein was particularly fond of having his characters do this, particularly ones who are established authors in-universe and who proceed to comment on the narrative structure of their own stories. ''Literature/TheCatWhoWalksThroughWalls'' is a prime example.
* In Jay Williams and Raymond Abrashkin's ''Danny Dunn and ''Literature/TheShatteringPreludeToCataclysm'', Thrall realizes that the Universal Glue'' after Danny superglues Mr. Blaze's car seat to try to keep him Horde is suffering from attending the Environmental Committee's meeting, Joe jokes WhatMeasureIsANonHuman trope, as many of the young warriors started out killing undead in the war against the Scourge, and thus are somewhat desensitized to killing living opponents, making them more keen on going to war with the Alliance.
* In ''Literature/WingsOfFire'', [[TheIdealist Sunny]] gives a sentimental speech to the rest of her FiveManBand right before the story's climax talking about how they love each other no matter what happens. Glory responds by saying
that if Danny ends up in jail he'll send him a [[JailBake cake with a file in it]].kind of soppy speech means they're probably all going to die.



* In a ''Series/BoyMeetsWorld'' episode PeerPressureMakesYouEvil is discussion. After Cory steals a bottle of whiskey from his father and gets himself and Shawn drunk and arrested, Cory's father refuses to believe that Cory chose to drink on his own and accuses Shawn of pressuring Cory into it. Shawn attempts to play into this trope and 'admits' to cajoling Cory into drinking, to get Cory out of trouble, but Cory rejects his attempt to take the rap and impresses on his parents that he chose to drink all on his own due to his own personal problems, and they can't always shift the blame onto his friends.
* The titular character of ''Series/{{Castle}}'' does this CONSTANTLY. He's a big fan of CIA/NSA conspiracies, alien abductions, time travel, and in an episode where a murder victim has a butler, he would dearly love to say "TheButlerDidIt."



* The titular character of ''Series/{{Castle}}'' does this CONSTANTLY. He's a big fan of CIA/NSA conspiracies, alien abductions, time travel, and in an episode where a murder victim has a butler, he would dearly love to say "TheButlerDidIt."



* In a ''Series/BoyMeetsWorld'' episode PeerPressureMakesYouEvil is discussion. After Cory steals a bottle of whiskey from his father and gets himself and Shawn drunk and arrested, Cory's father refuses to believe that Cory chose to drink on his own and accuses Shawn of pressuring Cory into it. Shawn attempts to play into this trope and 'admits' to cajoling Cory into drinking, to get Cory out of trouble, but Cory rejects his attempt to take the rap and impresses on his parents that he chose to drink all on his own due to his own personal problems, and they can't always shift the blame onto his friends.



* In ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', Nanase and Grace [[http://egscomics.com/comic/party-043 discuss]] Genre Savviness itself:
-->'''Nanase:''' I don't understand how anyone could see what ''she'' saw and just be like "Oh you'll tell me if I need to know something".\\
'''Grace:''' She could be GenreSavvy.\\
'''Nanase:''' GenreSavvy?\\
'''Grace:''' Yeah, like coping with the weirdness by thinking of stories in which similar things happen?



* In ''Webcomic/ElGoonishShive'', Nanase and Grace [[http://egscomics.com/comic/party-043 discuss]] Genre Savviness itself:
-->'''Nanase:''' I don't understand how anyone could see what ''she'' saw and just be like "Oh you'll tell me if I need to know something".\\
'''Grace:''' She could be GenreSavvy.\\
'''Nanase:''' GenreSavvy?\\
'''Grace:''' Yeah, like coping with the weirdness by thinking of stories in which similar things happen?



%%* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls1998'': Mister Green plays this trope straight with the DarkIsNotEvil trope



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': In "Bart's Inner Child", Homer gets [[ItMakesSenseInContext hammered halfway through an overhang by a trampoline.]]
-->'''Homer:''' If this were a cartoon, the cliff would break off now...\\
([[{{Beat}} Fade to nighttime.]])\\
'''Homer:''' [[SubvertedTrope I'm thirsty...]]\\
'''*[[DoubleSubversion CRACK!!]]*'''\\
'''Homer: ''WAAAAAAAAARGH!!!...'''''



* ''WesternAnimation/OKKOLetsBeHeroes'': The season 2 premiere opens with the characters coming back from summer vacation to a host of outlandish changes, like everyone getting new outfits, Rad having a ridiculous-looking fake tan, and Enid having taken up mime. K.O., who seems to be the only character who hasn't changed, is skeptical about all these changes, but Rad and Enid explain that a TimeSkip is "a hero's rite of passage".
* In any episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' with Henchmen 21 and 24, it's a certainty that the GenreSavvy henchmen will discuss at least one trope.



* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'': In "Excaliferb", Carl is telling Major Monogram a story. It cuts to a commercial break as the gang is falling off a cliff. Major Monogram points out that Carl [[{{Cliffhanger}} left him hanging with that cliff scene]].
* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': In "On The Run", Amethyst gets a line in Steven's song that {{foreshadow|ing}}s her issues in that episode.
-->'''Amethyst:''' I wish that I could say [[TheresNoPlaceLikeHome there's no better place than home,]] but home's a place that I have never known.


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* ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerb'': In "Excaliferb", Carl is telling Major Monogram a story. It cuts to a commercial break as the gang is falling off a cliff. Major Monogram points out that Carl [[{{Cliffhanger}} left him hanging with that cliff scene]].
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': In "Bart's Inner Child", Homer gets [[ItMakesSenseInContext hammered halfway through an overhang by a trampoline.]]
-->'''Homer:''' If this were a cartoon, the cliff would break off now...\\
([[{{Beat}} Fade to nighttime.]])\\
'''Homer:''' [[SubvertedTrope I'm thirsty...]]\\
'''*[[DoubleSubversion CRACK!!]]*'''\\
'''Homer: ''WAAAAAAAAARGH!!!...'''''
* ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'': In "On The Run", Amethyst gets a line in Steven's song that {{foreshadow|ing}}s her issues in that episode.
-->'''Amethyst:''' I wish that I could say [[TheresNoPlaceLikeHome there's no better place than home,]] but home's a place that I have never known.
* In any episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' with Henchmen 21 and 24, it's a certainty that the GenreSavvy henchmen will discuss at least one trope.
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* Prince Vince and Donny Juice discuss {{Love Triangle}}s and TriangRelations in ''[[Fanfic/{{Cinderjuice}} Sleeping Beetle]]''. Notably, Vince explains the latter to Donny as being something he learned about while browsing This Very Wiki, although he doesn't reference it by name; he describes it as being "where all manner of storytelling devices are explored and explained."

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* Prince Vince and Donny Juice discuss {{Love Triangle}}s and TriangRelations in ''[[Fanfic/{{Cinderjuice}} Sleeping Beetle]]''. Notably, Vince explains the latter to Donny as being something he learned about while browsing This Very Wiki, although he doesn't reference it by name; he describes it as being "where all manner of storytelling devices are explored and explained."
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheMitchellsVsTheMachines'': After the [[RobotWar robot uprising]] begins, the Mitchells hunker down in a tourist shop and father/wannabe MountainMan Rick starts trying to [[EatTheDog ease his family into the possibility of eating their dog Monchi for sustenance if supplies run low]]. He backs down from the idea after being booed and pelted with trash and plastic dinosaurs by Katie and Linda for even suggesting it.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheMitchellsVsTheMachines'': After the [[RobotWar robot uprising]] begins, When the Mitchells hunker down in to a tourist shop and father/wannabe MountainMan shop, Rick starts trying to [[EatTheDog ease his family into the possibility of eating tell them to eat their dog Monchi for sustenance if supplies run low]]. He backs down from None of the idea after being booed and pelted other Mitchells agree with his idea, and Katie and Linda even boo and pelt trash and plastic dinosaurs by Katie and Linda at him for even suggesting it.his suggestion.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheMitchellsVsTheMachines'': After the [[RobotWar robot uprising]] begins, the Mitchells hunker down in a tourist shop and father/wannabe MountainMan Rick starts trying to [[BlackComedy ease his family into the possibility of eating their dog Monchi for sustenance if supplies run low]]. He backs down from the idea after being booed and pelted with trash and plastic dinosaurs by Katie and Linda for even suggesting it.

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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14043306/44/The-Guile-of-the-Traveller The Guile of the Traveller]]'' Tom jokes about retrieving Harry from a hypothetical kidnapping situation.
-->'''Harry:''' I would be the [[PityTheKidnapper prisoner from hell]], though. I would pull a Julius Caesar on my captors.\\
'''Tom:''' What? Pretend to be insulted by the ransom proposed, forcing your captors to listen to your new compositions and yelling at them when you want to sleep and they are making too much noise?\\
'''Harry:''' That, and several other things.

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* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Colonel Mustang points out to Lt. Hughes that if he was in a war story, talking so much about how much he misses his family, while on the battlefield, would be a [[RetIrony surefire way to get killed]].
** Especially ironic because [[spoiler:Lt. Hughes falls victim to that very same trope. Apparently it's not just on the battlefield.]]

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* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', Colonel Mustang points out to Lt. Hughes that if he was in a war story, talking so much about how much he misses his family, while on the battlefield, would be a [[RetIrony surefire way to get killed]].
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killed]]. Especially ironic because [[spoiler:Lt. Hughes falls victim to that very same trope. Apparently it's not just on the battlefield.]]
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* ''EdGrimley'': The police refused to search for a man's stolen car in favor of searching for Ed's fish. Ed commented to the man that, if that were not a cartoon, they'd be looking for the car.

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* ''EdGrimley'': ''WesternAnimation/TheCompletelyMentalMisadventuresOfEdGrimley'': The police refused to search for a man's stolen car in favor of searching for Ed's fish. Ed commented to the man that, if that were not a cartoon, they'd be looking for the car.
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This trope is extremely common when OurVampiresAreDifferent is invoked in a contemporary setting. Most authors just can't resist [[YourVampiresSuck having their characters point out how 'real' vampires differ from all those laughably inaccurate Hollywood representations.]]
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# The discussion goes something like, "If this were an action movie, talking [[TemptingFate about your family like that]] would mean you'd be [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality dead in a few minutes]]," or, "[[ThisIsReality Unlike]] what you may read in detective stories, [[TheButlerDidIt the butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect]] in any murder investigation of [[LockedRoomMystery this sort]], for reasons X, Y and Z." or "I don't care what anime has taught you: [[ThisIsReality in the real world]], a [[BuffySpeak glowier]] reactor is not more powerful."

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# The discussion goes something like, "If this were an action movie, talking [[TemptingFate about your family like that]] would mean you'd be [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality dead in a few minutes]]," or, "[[ThisIsReality Unlike]] what you may read in detective stories, [[TheButlerDidIt the butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect]] in any murder investigation of [[LockedRoomMystery this sort]], for reasons X, Y and Z." or "I don't care what anime has taught you: [[ThisIsReality in the real world]], a [[BuffySpeak glowier]] reactor is not more powerful.powerful, so stop suggesting we turn up the "glow factor"."
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%%* ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'': Mister Green plays this trope straight with the DarkIsNotEvil trope

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* Early on in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' other Leaf Gennin remark that Naruto would make for a crappy hero because he's a loudmouth and an [[IdiotHero idiot]]. At other times people such as Kiba, who have been beaten by Naruto, remark that he has a lot of HiddenDepths and a talent for [[MagneticHero attracting allies]] with his idealistic outlook on life.

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* Early on in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' other Leaf Gennin remark that Naruto would make for a crappy hero because he's a loudmouth and an [[IdiotHero idiot]].{{idiot|Hero}}. At other times people such as Kiba, who have been beaten by Naruto, remark that he has a lot of HiddenDepths and a talent for [[MagneticHero attracting allies]] with his idealistic outlook on life.



* 'ComicBook/BerrybrookMiddleSchool'' discuss WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack. [[spoiler:Garrett after he frames Jorge by accident for being an Internet troll]]. He was already a bad friend before, blowing off homework and not helping his friends to impress James, the golden football child. Liv is understandably furious and treats [[spoiler:Garrett]] as an UnPerson even after he confesses. She says the fact that he was peer-pressured into it is no excuse for letting [[spoiler:Jorge take the fall]] and he shouldn't have said those mean things about her and her friends in the first place since [[spoiler:Garrett]] knows how important drama club is to Liv. Jorge notes that by all means he has every right to never talk to [[spoiler:Garrett]] again but can't hate him. After thinking about it for two weeks, [[spoiler:Liv says she'll give Garrett a second chance, but ''only'' if he fulfills all the conditions that he sets for her; they include no more lying to her and Jorge, doing his own homework on time, and apologizing to everyone he hurt. Garrett fulfills all of them showing he is really sorry, and Liv is able to forgive him]].

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* 'ComicBook/BerrybrookMiddleSchool'' ''ComicBook/BerrybrookMiddleSchool'' discuss WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack. [[spoiler:Garrett after he frames Jorge by accident for being an Internet troll]]. He was already a bad friend before, blowing off homework and not helping his friends to impress James, the golden football child. Liv is understandably furious and treats [[spoiler:Garrett]] as an UnPerson even after he confesses. She says the fact that he was peer-pressured into it is no excuse for letting [[spoiler:Jorge take the fall]] and he shouldn't have said those mean things about her and her friends in the first place since [[spoiler:Garrett]] knows how important drama club is to Liv. Jorge notes that by all means he has every right to never talk to [[spoiler:Garrett]] again but can't hate him. After thinking about it for two weeks, [[spoiler:Liv says she'll give Garrett a second chance, but ''only'' if he fulfills all the conditions that he sets for her; they include no more lying to her and Jorge, doing his own homework on time, and apologizing to everyone he hurt. Garrett fulfills all of them showing he is really sorry, and Liv is able to forgive him]].



* ''ComicBook/TooMuchCoffeeMan'': A character in a bar discusses how he has never seen a [[BarBrawl barfight]] happen in real life, and is approached by a man who says he is sitting on his jacket. He gets up from the bar stool to let the man have his jacket, and sits down as the man [[SubvertedTrope walks away]].

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* ''ComicBook/TooMuchCoffeeMan'': A character in a bar discusses how he has never seen a [[BarBrawl barfight]] {{bar|Brawl}}fight happen in real life, and is approached by a man who says he is sitting on his jacket. He gets up from the bar stool to let the man have his jacket, and sits down as the man [[SubvertedTrope walks away]].



--> '''Jean:''' I blacked out in space, I awoke in the Baxter Building, ages later, my whole world turned upside-down, the modern equivalent of RipVanWinkle.

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--> '''Jean:''' -->'''Jean:''' I blacked out in space, I awoke in the Baxter Building, ages later, my whole world turned upside-down, the modern equivalent of RipVanWinkle.



--> ''You don’t get to just kidnap people because you want them to work through their baggage!''

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--> "I'm not even supposed to be here; I'm just '[[NominalImportance Crewman Number Six]].' I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is!"

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--> "I'm -->"I'm not even supposed to be here; I'm just '[[NominalImportance Crewman Number Six]].' I'm expendable. I'm the guy in the episode who dies to prove how serious the situation is!"



-->'''Rinn:''' Haha, yeah, how likely is it that we'd ''both'' be chosen? Everyone will think we're the star-crossed lovers for sure.
-->'''Yali:''' Actually, I think we might ''literally'' be star-crossed lovers.
-->'''Rinn:''' What?
-->'''Yali:''' 'Star-crossed' means the fates are against us. That definitely fits. Ironically, because –
-->'''Rinn:''' But, don't you have to, uh, have sex, to count as 'lovers'?
-->'''Yali:''' What? The word is 'lovers', we love each other, that should be enough! Besides, we're probably going to ''eventually'', I, I, I –
-->'''Rinn:''' But by then, we might not be star-crossed anymore! This is very important!

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-->'''Rinn:''' Haha, yeah, how likely is it that we'd ''both'' be chosen? Everyone will think we're the star-crossed lovers for sure.
-->'''Yali:'''
sure.\\
'''Yali:'''
Actually, I think we might ''literally'' be star-crossed lovers.
-->'''Rinn:''' What?
-->'''Yali:'''
lovers.\\
'''Rinn:''' What?\\
'''Yali:'''
'Star-crossed' means the fates are against us. That definitely fits. Ironically, because
-->'''Rinn:'''
–\\
'''Rinn:'''
But, don't you have to, uh, have sex, to count as 'lovers'?
-->'''Yali:'''
'lovers'?\\
'''Yali:'''
What? The word is 'lovers', we love each other, that should be enough! Besides, we're probably going to ''eventually'', I, I, I
-->'''Rinn:'''
–\\
'''Rinn:'''
But by then, we might not be star-crossed anymore! This is very important!



--->[[color:#626262:FCG: DO YOU REALIZE WHAT YOU'VE BECOME? YOU ARE THE SAD JOKE CHARACTER IN THE ROMCOM, YOU KNOW THE GUY I'M TALKING ABOUT.]]
--->[[color:#626262:FCG: WHO'S GREEDY AND INDISCRIMINATE ABOUT FILLING EVERY QUADRANT, TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS TO IT, AND IN THE END HAS FUCKALL TO SHOW FOR IT.]]

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WHO'S GREEDY AND INDISCRIMINATE ABOUT FILLING EVERY QUADRANT, TOTALLY OBLIVIOUS TO IT, AND IN THE END HAS FUCKALL TO SHOW FOR IT.]]



* The TV Tropes podcast ''Podcast/{{On the Tropes}}'' is all about discussing tropes, as is the sister (brother?) show ''On The Rocks''

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* In Joseph L. Schott's ''No Left Turns'' he mentions a joking discussion with the night supervisor at the Justice Building about how FBI personnel assignments were determined.
-->By the next night I had it figured out by intuition and deduction. "It's a blindfolded chimpanzee," I said to Miles. "He sits on a desk in the Administrative Division. The Director hands him a dart with an agent's name on it and the ape [[DecisionDarts throws it blindfolded at a large map of the United States]]. The agent goes to the field office nearest the spot the dart strikes. After each throw, the Director rewards him with an oreo cookie."
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* In Joseph L. Schott's ''No Left Turns'' he mentions a joking discussion with the night supervisor at the Justice Building in Washington, D.C. about how personnel assignments were determined.

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* In Joseph L. Schott's ''No Left Turns'' he mentions a joking discussion with the night supervisor at the Bureau of Justice about how personnel assignments were determined.

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* In Joseph L. Schott's ''No Left Turns'' he mentions a joking discussion with the night supervisor at the Bureau of Justice Building in Washington, D.C. about how personnel assignments were determined.

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* In Jay Williams and Raymond Abrashkin's ''Danny Dunn and the Universal Glue'', after Danny superglues Mr. Blaze's car seat to try to keep him from attending the Environmental Committee's meeting, Joe jokes that if Danny ends up in jail Joe'll send him a [[JailBake cake with a file in it]].

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* In Jay Williams and Raymond Abrashkin's ''Danny Dunn and the Universal Glue'', Glue'' after Danny superglues Mr. Blaze's car seat to try to keep him from attending the Environmental Committee's meeting, Joe jokes that if Danny ends up in jail Joe'll he'll send him a [[JailBake cake with a file in it]].it]].
* In Joseph L. Schott's ''No Left Turns'' he mentions a joking discussion with the night supervisor at the Bureau of Justice about how personnel assignments were determined.
-->By the next night I had it figured out by intuition and deduction. "It's a blindfolded chimpanzee," I said to Miles. "He sits on a desk in the Administrative Division. The Director hands him a dart with an agent's name on it and the ape [[DecisionDarts throws it blindfolded at a large map of the United States]]. The agent goes to the field office nearest the spot the dart strikes. After each throw, the Director rewards him with an oreo cookie."
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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13921270/19/Slytherin-Snape-and-Dudley-Part-2-Reconciliation Slytherin, Snape and Dudley Part 2: Reconciliation]]'':
-->'''George:''' Your basic hallucinogenic potion is a wormwood base. But don't use too much because it's an actual poison, then you add your chosen hallucinogenic effect. For example, adding beetle eyes will have [Umbridge] seeing beetles. You could add nice effects, by the way, dried flowers for example. You could really trip her out if you add cheese. You know how some people have nightmares after [[AcidRefluxNightmare eating cheese late at night]]? Well...!
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* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'', Sousuke, Kaname, and Kurz find themselves in a BolivianArmyEnding-type scenario, Kaname and Kurz briefly discuss the[[Film/ButchCassidyAndTheSundanceKid trope-naming movie]] (without naming names) and compare it to their situation. When Sousuke asks how it ended, Kaname says that [[LeftHanging you never find out]] and remarks that she always preferred movies with {{Happy Ending}}s.

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* In ''LightNovel/FullMetalPanic'', Sousuke, Kaname, and Kurz find themselves in a BolivianArmyEnding-type scenario, Kaname and Kurz briefly discuss the[[Film/ButchCassidyAndTheSundanceKid the [[Film/ButchCassidyAndTheSundanceKid trope-naming movie]] (without naming names) and compare it to their situation. When Sousuke asks how it ended, Kaname says that [[LeftHanging you never find out]] and remarks that she always preferred movies with {{Happy Ending}}s.
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* ''WesternAnimation/GlitchTechs'' TheFreelanceShameSquad. Miko's older sister Nica is really paranoid about public appearances because every teenager is constantly looking for embarrassing moments from their peers to post on social media.

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* ''WesternAnimation/GlitchTechs'' ''WesternAnimation/GlitchTechs'': TheFreelanceShameSquad. Miko's older sister Nica is really paranoid about public appearances because every teenager is constantly looking for embarrassing moments from their peers to post on social media.

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# The discussion goes something like, "If this were an action movie, talking [[TemptingFate about your family like that]] would mean you'd be [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality dead in a few minutes]]," or, "[[ThisIsReality Unlike]] what you may read in detective stories, [[TheButlerDidIt the butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect]] in any murder investigation of [[LockedRoomMystery this sort]], for reasons X, Y and Z.", or "You're not American. [[TranslationConvention If you were American, you wouldn't be able to hear me speak English.]]" "I think you've been watching too much The Hunt for Red October."

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# The discussion goes something like, "If this were an action movie, talking [[TemptingFate about your family like that]] would mean you'd be [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality dead in a few minutes]]," or, "[[ThisIsReality Unlike]] what you may read in detective stories, [[TheButlerDidIt the butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect]] in any murder investigation of [[LockedRoomMystery this sort]], for reasons X, Y and Z.", " or "You're not American. [[TranslationConvention If you were American, you wouldn't be able to hear me speak English.]]" "I think you've been watching too much The Hunt for Red October."
don't care what anime has taught you: [[ThisIsReality in the real world]], a [[BuffySpeak glowier]] reactor is not more powerful."
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# The discussion goes something like, "If this were an action movie, talking [[TemptingFate about your family like that]] would mean you'd be [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality dead in a few minutes]]," or, "[[ThisIsReality Unlike]] what you may read in detective stories, [[TheButlerDidIt the butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect]] in any murder investigation of [[LockedRoomMystery this sort]], for reasons X, Y and Z."

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# The discussion goes something like, "If this were an action movie, talking [[TemptingFate about your family like that]] would mean you'd be [[SortingAlgorithmOfMortality dead in a few minutes]]," or, "[[ThisIsReality Unlike]] what you may read in detective stories, [[TheButlerDidIt the butler is a somewhat unlikely suspect]] in any murder investigation of [[LockedRoomMystery this sort]], for reasons X, Y and Z."
", or "You're not American. [[TranslationConvention If you were American, you wouldn't be able to hear me speak English.]]" "I think you've been watching too much The Hunt for Red October."
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* ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11990559/29/An-Abnormal-Godfather An Abnormal Godfather]]'':
-->'''Hermione:''' I'm so excited to see if my rune carvings are sufficient to keep my block afloat!\\
'''Harry:''' I thought about naming my boat the Titanic, but I decided that might be [[WhatDidYouExpectWhenYouNamedIt asking for trouble]].
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* ''LightNovel/{{Shimoneta}}'': During episode 5, Tanukichi and Ayame briefly discuss the matter of QuestionableConsent, in regard to Anna's lust for him. Ayame says [[AManIsAlwaysEager he should be happy]] now that he knows Anna wants to have sex with him, but Tanukichi refutes the idea because Anna's [[ShelteredAristocrat sheltered upbringing]] has left her incapable of properly distinguishing love from lust. Then adds that even if he only wanted Anna for her body, he couldn't enjoy it anyway since she doesn't know anything about how sex works. Her parents never explained it to her and they've passed legislation that [[MoralGuardians forbids even]] ''[[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad basic]]'' [[TheTalk Sex Ed]] from being taught at schools.

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* ''LightNovel/{{Shimoneta}}'': During episode 5, Tanukichi and Ayame briefly discuss the matter of QuestionableConsent, in regard to Anna's lust for him. Ayame says [[AManIsAlwaysEager he should be happy]] now that he knows Anna wants to have sex with him, but Tanukichi refutes the idea because Anna's [[ShelteredAristocrat sheltered upbringing]] has left her incapable of properly distinguishing love from lust. Then adds that even if he only wanted Anna for her body, he couldn't enjoy it anyway since she doesn't know anything about how sex works. Her parents never explained it to her and they've passed legislation that [[MoralGuardians forbids even]] ''[[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad basic]]'' ''basic'' [[TheTalk Sex Ed]] from being taught at schools.
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[[folder: Mythology [[folder:Mythology and Religions]]
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* 'ComicBook/BerrybrookMiddleSchool'' discuss WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack. [[spoiler:Garrett after he frames Jorge by accident for being an Internet troll]]. He was already a bad friend before, blowing off homework and not helping his friends to impress James, the golden football child. Liv is understandably furious and treats [[spoiler:Garrett]] as an UnPerson even after he confesses. She says the fact that he was peer-pressured into it is no excuse for letting [[spoiler:Jorge take the fall]] and he shouldn't have said those mean things about her and her friends in the first place since [[spoiler:Garrett]] knows how important drama club is to Liv. Jorge notes that by all means he has every right to never talk to [[spoiler:Garrett]] again but can't hate him. After thinking about it for two weeks, [[spoiler:Liv says she'll give Garrett a second chance, but ''only'' if he fulfills all the conditions that he sets for her; they include no more lying to her and Jorge, doing his own homework on time, and apologizing to everyone he hurt. Garrett fulfills all of them showing he is really sorry, and Liv is able to forgive him]].

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