History Main / DiscountLesbians

** The MirrorUniverse version of Kira Nerys is a DepravedBisexual with more evil kink than CharacterDevelopment; she's even made advances toward the regular universe version of [[ScrewYourself herself]] ... but [[WordOfSaintPaul according to]] Creator/NanaVisitor, that last one was more out of [[{{Narcissist}} narcissism]] than anything else. The mirror versions of Ezri and Leeta were also either bisexual or lesbians. The trope is [[DoubleStandard not really paralleled with male characters]], except for Garak, who was AmbiguouslyBi even in the prime universe. Although after the Mirror Universe returned in ''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'', Mirror Georgiou indicated that the counterparts of Culber and Stamets, a gay couple, were bisexual and she'd had relations with them, seemingly in a nod to people's counterparts being [[DepravedBisexual Depraved Bisexuals]] in ''Deep Space Nine'', assuming she wasn't messing with Prime Culber and Stamets.

** The MirrorUniverse version of Kira Nerys is a DepravedBisexual with more evil kink than CharacterDevelopment; she's even made advances toward the regular universe version of [[ScrewYourself herself]] ... but [[WordOfSaintPaul according to]] Creator/NanaVisitor, that last one was more out of [[{{Narcissist}} narcissism]] than anything else. The mirror versions of Ezri and Leeta were also either bisexual or lesbians. The trope is [[DoubleStandard not really paralleled with male characters]], except for Garak, who was AmbiguouslyBi even in the prime universe.

* ComicBook/StarmanDCComics: Mikaal Tomas, the alien Starman from The70s is a [[DownplayedTrope downplayed]] and [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] example. He is a male alien being that has had sexual relationships with both males and females. The example is downplayed, because unlike most examples of this trope, he is seen as gay/bisexual by human society and is called gay several times, so there is no avoidance of causing the readers to think of real-world issues of homosexuality. Discussed because when protagonist Jack Knight is surprised by supposedly "gay" Mikaal having hooked up with girls in the past, Mikaal explains that he is an alien, and so human standards of sexuality shouldn't apply to him.

* ''Series/TheOtherTwo'': Parodied InUniverse. Cary voices Disney's first "unapologetically gay" character in an animated film ''Haunted Buddies 4.'' The character, Globby, is a pile of mucus with no discerning sexual characteristics, and the "gay scene" is him being seen in bed with another identical glob, who doesn't have any dialogue. The Disney execs insist that it's obviously gay because if he were straight, he'd be in bed with a human woman. When the movie premieres after much hype and controversy, both pro-gay and anti-gay groups are confused that the scene was supposed to be "unapologetically gay."

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* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' spent several years in a ShipTease between the human Chandra Nalaar and the elf Nissa Revane. The relationship was ultimately {{Jossed}} in one of the novels, and so clumsily that it caused a fan outcry and the novel being rendered CanonDiscontinuity by the dissatisfied creative team. As of 2023, Chandra and Nissa have successfully begun a relationship in canon.
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* Male-presenting example: In [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Recap/SupernaturalS15E18Despair the antepenultimate episode]] of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', Castiel finally confesses to Dean Winchester that he loves him before making a HeroicSacrifice. However, despite usually being called "he/him", being an angel Castiel is actually a non-binary EnergyBeing possessing a human body that happens to be male, and has used female bodies in the past as well.

** The Doctor occasionally suffers from this - this is, unfortunately, a case of damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't that comes from having a main character who is a CloudCuckooLander alien of a genderfluid species, and about half the characters being non-human.

* Male-presenting example: In the antepenultimate episode of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', Castiel finally confesses to Dean Winchester that he loves him before making a HeroicSacrifice. However, despite usually being called "he/him", being an angel Castiel is actually a non-binary EnergyBeing possessing a human body that happens to be male, and has used female bodies in the past as well.

** The evil, sexually manipulative body-snatching alien Mary in the episode "Greeks Bearing Gifts" is a glaring example. Toshiko is at least on the borderline, given that Tosh is never seen to have a sexual interest in a woman before or afterwards and it's not made precisely clear whether her sexual relationship with Mary was bisexuality or some kind of influence.
** A straighter example is Gwen making out with a (girl possessed by a) sex-gas alien in "Day One". Given that there are many same-sex relationships in the show and WordOfGod states that everybody on the team is bi, this is more of a coincidence than actively invoking this trope. Also, the possessed girl breaks off the kiss because the alien possessing her is a gay male.[[invoked]]

-->-- '''Alexander Sliwinski''', [[https://www.engadget.com/2007-09-18-mass-effect-allows-lesbian-alien-sex-men-remain-vanilla.html Joystiq.com, "Mass Effect allows lesbian alien sex, men remain vanilla"]]

** The MirrorUniverse version of Kira Nerys is a DepravedBisexual with more [[EvilIsSexy evil kink]] than CharacterDevelopment; she's even made advances toward the regular universe version of [[ScrewYourself herself]] ... but [[WordOfSaintPaul according to]] Creator/NanaVisitor, that last one was more out of [[{{Narcissist}} narcissism]] than anything else. The mirror versions of Ezri and Leeta were also either bisexual or lesbians. The trope is [[DoubleStandard not really paralleled with male characters]], except for Garak, who was AmbiguouslyBi even in the prime universe.

** ''[[VideoGame/Persona3 Persona 3 Portable]]'' allows the Female Protagonist to hook up with Elizabeth and share a romantic moment with Aigis. However, neither of the characters are human as Elizabeth is pretty much a [[AmbiguouslyHuman spirit in human form]] while Aigis is a female-presenting [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot robot]].

* Most of the romantic and sexual situations in ''Manga/AyakashiTriangle'' are between two females, but they nearly always involve Matsuri, [[GenderBender who was originally male]] (and still considers himself a guy, [[ThirdLawOfGenderBending despite being rather visibly feminine]]). However, while Reo and Suzu fell in love with Matsuri when he was still male, both are attracted to him ''as'' a girl--if anything they ''want'' Matsuri to start acting and dressing more feminine (after initially feeling the opposite in Suzu's case).

** ''[[VideoGame/Persona3 Persona 3 Portable]]'' allows the Female Protagonist to hook up with Elizabeth and share a romantic moment with Aigis. However, Elizabeth is pretty much a [[AmbiguouslyHuman spirit in human form]] while Aigis is a female-presenting [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot robot]].

* ''Franchise/Persona'':

* Shatterstar of ''ComicBook/XForce'' fits this, depending on which origin story you believe.

* Most [[MisterSeahorse MPreg]] fanfic is the male side of this trope - basically, one of the gay men is from a species where it is normal for males to get pregnant, by other males, no less. A similar concept can be found in Omegaverse fic, though expanded to all parties involved.

* ''TabletopGame/MagicTheGathering'' spent several years in a ShipTease between the human Chandra Nalaar and the elf Nissa Revane. The relationship was ultimately {{Jossed}} in one of the novels, and so clumsily that it caused a fan outcry.

** The Gems are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use humanoid forms that usually look more feminine than masculine and go by feminine pronouns among humans. Some hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other (most notably Ruby and Sapphire, who spend most of their time fused as Garnet, and Pearl's unrequited feelings for Rose Quartz) and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one suggests Gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that Gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human woman who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.
** Peridot may be a very rare example of "Discount ''Asexual''", as her revulsion at the prospect of [[RomanticFusion engaging in fusion]] is coded as asexuality and aromanticism without bringing actual relationships into the mix. WordOfSaintPaul has described Peridot as aro ace in a more general sense.

** A straighter example is Gwen making out with a (girl possessed by a) sex-gas alien in "Day One". Given that there are many same-sex relationships in the show and WordOfGod states that everybody on the team is bi, this is more of a coincidence than actively invoking this trope.[[invoked]]

* Most of the romantic and sexual situations in ''Manga/AyakashiTriangle'' are between two females, but they nearly always involve Matsuri, [[GenderBender who was originally male]] (and still considers himself a guy, [[ThirdLawOfGenderBending despite being rather visibly feminine]]). His primary love interest Suzu is [[AmbiguouslyBi likely bisexual]], but only shows interest in Matsuri and fell in love beforehand. However, Reo is explicitly bisexual and even hits on Suzu once.
* ''Alien from the Darkness'' has Flair, who spends most of the story seducing the all-female crew of the ''Zogne''. While she qualifies due to being possessed by a tentacle-raping alien in search of [[MarsNeedsWomen breeding stock]], the sex scenes Flair isn't involved in prove that the {{hentai}} has no problem with [[CastFullOfGay actual lesbians]] either.

** By ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'', the [[AuthorsSavingThrow developers have repudiated their own use of this trope]]. Using a female PlayerCharacter to flirt with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman who trained with asari commandos, has her say that she has been propositioned by asari many times in the past but just isn't into women, confirming that relationships between asari and females from other species do count as lesbian relationships from the perspective of the non-asari partner, and such a relationship will not be pursued if she is not attracted to females of her own species to begin with. Background chatter also explains that while the asari at large consider themselves genderless because they have nothing to compare to, some have developed pronoun preferences due to cultural exchange with non-asari species.

** The Gems are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use humanoid forms that usually look more feminine than masculine and go by feminine pronouns among humans. Some still hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other (most notably Ruby and Sapphire, who spend most of their time fused as Garnet, and Pearl's unrequited feelings for Rose Quartz) and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one suggests Gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that Gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human woman who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.

** By ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'', the [[AuthorsSavingThrow developers have repudiated their own use of this trope]]. Flirting with Cora Harper, a heterosexual woman, with a female PlayerCharacter has her say that she has been propositioned by asari many times in the past but just isn't into women, confirming that relationships between asari and females from other species do count as lesbian relationships from the perspective of the non-asari partner, and such a relationship will not be pursued if she is not attracted to females of her own species to begin with. Background chatter also explains that while the asari consider themselves genderless because they have nothing to compare to, some have developed pronoun preferences due to cultural exchange with non-asari species.

* An in-universe version in ''{{Literature/Discworld}}'', where dwarves have no sexual dimorphism (that is, males and females have big bushy beards) and courtship mostly consists of carefully finding out the other dwarf's gender. Vimes once makes the mistake of asking the gender of a pair of famous dwarven lovers and gets quickly rebuked. As the series goes on, some dwarves start wearing TertiarySexualCharacteristics as a result of hanging out with humans, and some even start having interspecies relationships.

** Finally averted in ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where two gay characters are introduced to the crew and a returning character is revealed as bisexual. Conversations with these characters and others suggest that sexuality is almost a non-issue by that time.[[note]]Though this seems to be a retcon; a relevant part in the Liara/female Shep romance is asking whereas its ''weird'' since they're both women, whose clarification on the former's part is the source of the perception of this being a discount lesbian scenario in the first place.[[/note]]

** The Gems are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex that use humanoid forms that usually look more feminine than masculine and go by feminine pronouns among humans. Some still hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one suggests Gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that Gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human woman who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.

* Male-presenting example: In the antepenultimate episode of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', Castiel finally confesses to Dean Winchester that he loves him before making a HeroicSacrifice. However, despite usually being called "he/him", being an angel Castiel is actually a non-binary energy being possessing a human body that happens to be male, and has used female bodies in the past as well.

** The evil sexually-manipulative bodysnatching alien Mary in the episode "Greeks Bearing Gifts" is a glaring example. Toshiko is at least on the borderline, given that Tosh is never seen to have a sexual interest in a woman before or afterwards and it's not made precisely clear whether her sexual relationship with Mary was bisexuality or mind-control.
** A straighter example is Gwen making out with a (female possessed by a) sex-gas alien in "Day One". Given that there are many same-sex relationships and WordOfGod states that everybody on the team is bi, this is more of a coincidence than actively invoking this trope.

** The Gems are a OneGenderRace of [[StarfishAliens sapient rocks]] with NoBiologicalSex [[NonHumanNonBinary or self-identified gender]] that use forms that look like human women. Some still hold romantic feelings of attraction to each other and, in a few rare cases, humans of either sex. However, no one suggests gems are different than human women in terms of sexuality in either direction--[[FantasticallyIndifferent humans tend not to realize or care that gems are aliens]]. When Pearl falls for a human woman who seems to return her interest, the implication is clearly that both are attracted to women. Gems being sexless isn't even stated in the show, just implied by their BizarreAlienReproduction.

* Male-presenting example: In the antepenultimate episode of ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'', Castiel finally confesses to Dean Winchester that he loves him before making a HeroicSacrifice. However, being an angel, Castiel is actually a non-binary energy being possessing a human body that happens to be male, and has used female bodies in the past as well.