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* Due of [[LovecraftLite the nature of the work]], this trope ends up happening quite a lot in ''LightNovel/HaiyoreNyarkoSan''. For example, when Mahiro found out why the first villain in the series is trying to capture him (to be sold to be a star in a TV drama), he gets dumfounded and frustrated enough to ask Nyarko to kick the villain's ass.
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* PlayedForLaughs in the second ''Film/HotShots'' movie. An important sub-plot concerns the fact that [[TheMole there is a mole]] who has provided information to SaddamHussein and compromised several prisoner rescue missions already. At the end, it's discovered that TheMole is the GirlOfTheWeek, Michelle, and that this girl has a vendetta against the ''previous'' GirlOfTheWeek, Ramada, which drove her to treason. She gives a very PsychoLesbian-sadomasochist-GirlOnGirlIsHot-laden MotiveRant.... which climaxes with her explaining that Ramada over-tightened her bungee rig back at college. Everybody else gets flabbergasted at that.
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* PlayedForLaughs in the second ''Film/HotShots'' movie.''Film/HotShotsPartDeux''. An important sub-plot concerns the fact that [[TheMole there is a mole]] who has provided information to SaddamHussein and compromised several prisoner rescue missions already. At the end, it's discovered that TheMole is the GirlOfTheWeek, Michelle, and that this girl has a vendetta against the ''previous'' GirlOfTheWeek, Ramada, which drove her to treason. She gives a very PsychoLesbian-sadomasochist-GirlOnGirlIsHot-laden MotiveRant.... which climaxes with her explaining that Ramada over-tightened her bungee rig back at college. Everybody else gets flabbergasted at that.
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* In the story "Totally Trashed" by Roz Kaveney in the second ''Literature/{{Temps}}'' collection, after Lord Orpington is revealed as the evil mastermind behind the robotic attacks on the Marcias, Loric is disappointed to learn that his motive is not [[LoveMakesYouEvil the crazed remnants of his love]] for the mother of the woman they were cloned from, but simply that he's been embezzling their DPR stipend and is worried this might come out.
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** On some of the following films (DieHardWithAVengeance, LiveFreeOrDieHard and AGoodDayToDieHard), upon the reveal that the villains have done so much wanton terrorism in order to get richer (''incredibly'' richer, but still), [=McClane=] is [[GenreSavvy experienced enough]] to not care anymore, while his sidekick of the movie has one big "what?" moment.
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* In {{Film/EightMM}}, the motive of the killer is that he simply wanted to because likes to hurt and kill people. This enrages Tom enough to kill him.
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* In an episode of ''Stripperella'' the bad guy creates a working paper mache volcano he plans to use to destroy the town because 'It's something he's just always wanted to do', when she tries to see if he has a FreudianExcuse, he again admits he's only doing it because he felt like it.
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* In an episode of ''Stripperella'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Stripperella}}'' the bad guy creates a working paper mache volcano he plans to use to destroy the town because 'It's something he's just always wanted to do', when she tries to see if he has a FreudianExcuse, he again admits he's only doing it because he felt like it.
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->'''[[spoiler:Adachi]]:''' "Sh-Shut up! Stop trying to act all tough... You guys can't even stand on your own unless you deny everything I said! S-Stupid teenagers...! You have no idea what kinda shit I've been through!!"
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* In the ''Series/DoctorWho'' episode Voyage of the Damned, The Doctor finds out that the only reason the villain is trying to crash the spaceship into Earth is to get back at the board that kicked him out of his own company. The Doctor calls him out on how pathetic he is.
--> "So that's the plan? A ''retirement'' plan? Two thousand people on board this ship, six billion underneath us, all of them slaughtered, and why? Because Max Capricorn is a '''loser.'''"
--> "So that's the plan? A ''retirement'' plan? Two thousand people on board this ship, six billion underneath us, all of them slaughtered, and why? Because Max Capricorn is a '''loser.'''"
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** ArcVillain [[DeadlyDoctor "Dr. Jekyll"]], who goes on a rampage of [[TimeDelayedDeath Time-Delayed Deaths]] and MedicalHorror. His FreudianExcuse is being forced by his dad to work as a waiter and chef instead of allowing him to become a surgeon. The only reason why the crime scene investigators don't act any more dumbfounded is because [[DramaBomb just one minute before]] him going into his MotiveRant [[CopKiller he killed a cop]] [[HeroKiller and heavily wounded Nick]] [[KnightofCerebus with a shotgun]]. Langston buys time by telling "Jekyll" his own FreudianExcuse (a BloodKnight dad) and pointing out that, next to ''that'', "Jekyll's" [[DisproportionateRetribution is just obscenely disproportionate]].
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** ArcVillain [[DeadlyDoctor "Dr. Jekyll"]], who goes on a rampage of [[TimeDelayedDeath Time-Delayed Deaths]] and MedicalHorror. His FreudianExcuse is being forced by his dad to work as a waiter and chef instead of allowing him to become a surgeon. The only reason why the crime scene investigators don't act any more dumbfounded is because [[DramaBomb just one minute before]] him going into his MotiveRant [[CopKiller he killed a cop]] [[HeroKiller and heavily wounded Nick]] [[KnightofCerebus with a shotgun]]. Langston buys time by telling "Jekyll" his own FreudianExcuse (a BloodKnight dad) dad, the fear of this being InTheBlood) and pointing out that, next to ''that'', "Jekyll's" [[DisproportionateRetribution is just obscenely disproportionate]].
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** ArcVillain [[DeadlyDoctor "Dr. Jekyll"]], who goes on a rampage of [[TimeDelayedDeath Time-Delayed Deaths]] and MedicalHorror. His FreudianExcuse is being forced by his dad to work as a waiter and chef instead of allowing him to become a surgeon. The only reason why the crime scene investigators don't act any more dumbfounded is because [[DramaBomb just one minute before]] him going into his MotiveRant [[CopKiller he killed a cop]] [[HeroKiller and heavily wounded Nick]] [[KnightofCerebus with a shotgun]]. Langston buys time by telling "Jekyll" his own FreudianExcuse (a BloodKnight dad) and pointing out that, next to ''that'', "Jekyll's" [[DisproportionateRetribution is just obscenely disproportionate]].
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** ArcVillain [[DeadlyDoctor "Dr. Jekyll"]], who goes on a rampage of [[TimeDelayedDeath Time-Delayed Deaths]] and MedicalHorror. His FreudianExcuse is being forced by his dad to work as a waiter and chef instead of a surgeon. The only reason why the crime scene investigators don't act any more dumbfounded is because [[DramaBomb just one minute before]] him going into his MotiveRant [[CopKiller he killed a cop]] [[HeroKiller and heavily wounded Nick]] [[KnightofCerebus with a shotgun]]. Langston buys time by telling "Jekyll" his own FreudianExcuse (a BloodKnight dad) and pointing out that, next to ''that'', "Jekyll's" [[DisproportionateRetribution is just obscenely disproportionate]].
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* ''Series/CSINewYork'' has Flack say "You killed a guy over a cockroach?" The guy actually did. A [[CoolPet jewel-encrusted Madagascar cockroach]] escaped from its owner in a restaurant and the chef, understandably, tried to kill it, at which point the busboy, a FriendToBugs, flipped out. The detective was dumbfounded that the killer wasn't even trying to reclaim or steal the jewels; he was just trying to save a bug.
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* In Videogame/DisgaeaHourOfDarkness, the party is disappointed to learn that the reason Vulcanus tried to start a war between Celestia and the Netherworld was so that [[AGodAmI he could become God]]... [[StepThreeProfit somehow]].
->'''Etna:''' See? I told you it would be something selfish and stupid.
->'''Etna:''' See? I told you it would be something selfish and stupid.
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* In an episode of ''Stripperella'' the bad guy creates a working paper mache volcano he plans to use to destroy the town because 'It's something he's just always wanted to do', when she tries to see if he has a FreudianExcuse, he again admits he's only doing it because he felt like it.
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* ArcVillain [[DeadlyDoctor "Dr. Jekyll"]], who goes on a rampage of [[TimeDelayedDeath Time-Delayed Deaths]] and MedicalHorror. His FreudianExcuse is being forced by his dad to work as a waiter and chef instead of a surgeon. The only reason why the crime scene investigators don't act any more dumbfounded is because [[DramaBomb just one minute before]] him going into his MotiveRant [[CopKiller he killed a cop]] [[HeroKiller and heavily wounded Nick]] [[KnightofCerebus with a shotgun]]. Langston buys time by telling "Jekyll" his own FreudianExcuse (a BloodKnight dad) and pointing out that, next to ''that'', "Jekyll's" [[DisproportionateRetribution is just obscenely disproportionate]].
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* Clank spends most of the first ''Videogame/RatchetAndClank'' believing [[BigBad Chairman Drek]] is the WellIntentionedExtremist-type, out to help the Blarg find a new homeworld after their old one became too polluted for them. When he learns that Drek is actually a CorruptCorporateExecutive who deliberately polluted the Blarg homeworld in order to force the Blarg to pay him a fortune for the new one, he reacts with dumb-founded disgust.
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'''Xykon:''' Well, because it looks cool, obviously. Here check it out: Badass, (puts the crown on) REALLY badass. Am I right or am I right?\\
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'''Xykon:''' Well, because it looks cool, obviously. Here Here, check it out: (indicates his crownless head) Badass, (puts the crown on) REALLY badass. Am I right or am I right?\\
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* Subverted in ''Videogame/MassEffect3'', during the mission to stop the hanar diplomat from betraying his entire planet to [[EldritchAbomination the Reapers]]. The reason he tells you that he's doing it is because his race has always worshipped [[{{Precursors}} the Protheans]] as gods, but the BrokenMasquerade has revealed that most accomplishments credited to the Protheans were actually accomplished by the Reapers, and that the surviving Protheans are now a SlaveRace brainwashed to serve them. Thus, as worshippers of the Protheans, the hanar must also serve whom the Protheans serve. This is a subversion because it's also revealed that the diplomat is BrainwashedAndCrazy, but that doesn't stop Shepard from having an epic reaction.
-->'''Renegade Shepard:''' "You big, stupid jellyfish!"
-->'''Renegade Shepard:''' "You big, stupid jellyfish!"
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-->'''Xykon:''' '''Xykon:''' Magic? The crown's not magic.\\
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'''Roy:''' What? Then... why steal it? Why kill Master Fyron and his son for it?\
'''Xykon:''' Well, because it looks cool, obviously. Here check it out: Badass, (puts the crown on) REALLY badass. Am I right or am I right?\
'''Roy:''' What? Then... why steal it? Why kill Master Fyron and his son for it?\
'''Xykon:''' Well, because it looks cool, obviously. Here check it out: Badass, (puts the crown on) REALLY badass. Am I right or am I right?\
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'''Xykon:''' Well, because it looks cool, obviously. Here check it out: Badass, (puts the crown on) REALLY badass. Am I right or am Iright?\right?\\
'''Roy:''' What? Then... why steal it? Why kill Master Fyron and his son for
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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', Xykon murdered the wizard Fyron Pucebuckle and stole a magical crown from his residence, and Fyron's apprentice Eugene theorises that the crown must be an artefact of tremendous magical power if Xykon was prepared to kill in order to own it. The crown, it turns out, is completely devoid of any magic, and Xykon only stole it because he thought it looked awesome. Eugene's son Roy (who takes up the quest to destroy Xykon after his father's death) is utterly furious when he learns this.
-->'''Xykon:''' Magic? The crown's not magic.\
'''Roy:''' What? Then... why steal it? Why kill Master Fyron and his son for it?\
'''Xykon:''' Well, because it looks cool, obviously. Here check it out: Badass, (puts the crown on) REALLY badass. Am I right or am I right?\
'''Roy:''' Oh my GODS, I hate you so much!
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* In ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'', Xykon murdered the wizard Fyron Pucebuckle and stole a magical crown from his residence, and Fyron's apprentice Eugene theorises that the crown must be an artefact of tremendous magical power if Xykon was prepared to kill in order to own it. The crown, it turns out, is completely devoid of any magic, and Xykon only stole it because he thought it looked awesome. Eugene's son Roy (who takes up the quest to destroy Xykon after his father's death) is utterly furious when he learns this.
-->'''Xykon:''' Magic? The crown's not magic.\
'''Roy:''' What? Then... why steal it? Why kill Master Fyron and his son for it?\
'''Xykon:''' Well, because it looks cool, obviously. Here check it out: Badass, (puts the crown on) REALLY badass. Am I right or am I right?\
'''Roy:''' Oh my GODS, I hate you so much!
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->'''Yukiko:''' "Living is too painful for you, but you don't want to die...Of course no one would understand! It makes no sense! You're just throwing a tantrum like a kid who can't have his way!"
->'''Naoto:''' "[...]though you claim to find life troublesome, you caused nothing but trouble for many others! Your twisted logic is that of an immature, egotistical brat!"
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->'''[[spoiler:Adachi]]:''' "Sh-Shut up! Stop trying to act all tough... You guys can't even stand on your own unless you deny everything I said! S-Stupid teenagers...! You have no idea what kinda shit I've been through!!"
->'''Yosuke:''' "'Favored by the world' my ass... I'm gonna say it flat out. You're just a worthless criminal!"
-->--''Videogame/{{Persona 4}}''
In fiction, most bad guys have a FreudianExcuse. Some may even go as far as having a StartOfDarkness. Some, however, have ''neither''. Or, at least, not a ''"good"'' one.
This trope occurs when the bad guy hits the good guys with the typical MotiveRant for their actions, and an observer dumbfoundedly proclaims, "THAT'S your reason?" with unabashed disgust or disappointment. To the bad guy, committing murder, ColdBloodedTorture, or any other heinous deeds or crimes based on that motive made sense, or at least, they saw it as a legitimate excuse. The heroes and others who find out the truth, however, are utterly disappointed not only that so much evil happened for such nonsensical reasons, but that ''this loser'' has had them running around expecting an epic battle of wills.
This isn't the same as ForTheEvulz or ItAmusedMe. The character in question had a "reason", but as far as the good guys are concerned, it wasn't a very good one. Also, please no [[InvertedTrope "Heroic"]] examples of this trope. If the character isn't doing "bad" or immoral things, it doesn't count for this trope.
Compare and constrast with MotiveDecay, where the initial motive was actually a good one (or at least made more sense) than what it ended up devolving into. Also compare TragicDream, where the motivation can be very valid, but is in no way reachable, as well as DisproportionateRetribution and ComicallySmallDemand.
May overlap with EvilIsPetty. See also AntiClimacticUnmasking, where the identity of the perpetrator is also disappointing.
'''NOTE: InUniverseExamplesOnly. The important part of this trope is other characters' ''reaction'' to the motive; the motive itself is secondary.''' [[noreallife]]
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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Commander Red, leader of the Red Ribbon Army (which has been an entire army made of [[KnightOfCerebus Knights of Cerebus]]) initially says he needs the Dragon Balls in order to take over the world. However, he eventually reveals he wants them to wish [[spoiler: that he's a few inches taller. When his second in command, Adjutant Black, finds out, Black kills him and takes over the army]].
* ''Manga/OnePiece''
** In the Fishman Island arc's climax, Hody Jones is a FantasticRacist who utterly ''hates'' humans. However, it's revealed in an exchange that occurs between himself and Prince Fukaboshi that he was just raised to be a bigot. He's never had a bad experience with humans personally, but when in Rome.... Fukaboshi immediately sends out a mass-communication admitting that Hody's grief is "one without substance".
--> '''Fukaboshi''': What happened to you? Did humans enslave you? Did they hurt your loved ones? Answer me, Hody! ''What the hell did those humans do to you?''
--> '''Hody Jones''': ...nothing.
** One year before the story's beginning, the "Pirate Noble" Cavendish took the world by storm. One year later, Cavendish's fame was eclipsed by Luffy and several other rookie pirates now known as the "Worst Generation." Being the AttentionWhore that he is, Cavendish has sworn vengeance on those pirates. Even Luffy is smart enough to realize this is a rather petty grudge.
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* Towards the end of the post-''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' ''ComicBook/SecretSix'' miniseries, Mad Hatter tried to kill Scandal, because she once ''swatted his hat''.
* One ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' story featured a mysterious new supervillain named Kaga who turns out to be just a bitter old Japanese man in a wheelchair who, as a Hiroshima survivor with deforming, debilitating mutations, was jealous of [[WitchSpecies Mutants]] for having relatively benign and paranormal mutations (plus [[TheBeautifulPeople looking]] [[MostCommonSuperpower drop-dead]] [[HeroicBuild gorgeous]]). He lampshades and defies this trope.
-->"What were you expecting? A master plan? A scheme to turn off the sun? This is the real world. Hatred and disgust are good enough reasons to want to kill people."
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[[folder:Film - Animated]]
* In ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerbTheMovieAcrossThe2ndDimension'', Alternate!Doof's tragic back story is that he lost a toy train as a child. Immediately lampshaded by Prime!Doof who lists off tragic back story after tragic back story.
* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker''. Invoked by Terry [=McGinnis=] during his battle against SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker. Terry is basically ''trying'' to piss the Joker off..
-->'''Terry:''' "So you fell in a tank of acid, got your skin bleached and decided to become a supervillain. What, you couldn't get a job as a rodeo clown?"
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[[folder:Film - Live-Action]]
* In the movie ''Film/FallingDown'', [[VillainProtagonist William Foster]] has been through a lot: losing his job, his family, and otherwise having things go wrong. But finally, he goes on a rampage around Los Angeles because...he wants to go to his daughter birthday party (granted it's implied that he was going to do [[PaterFamilicide much worse]] but still) along the way he gets pissed at people for the pettiest reasons. Somewhat justified in that his ex-wife implies he needed professional help. At the climax in the movie, this exchange happens:
-->'''Bill''': I'm the bad guy? How did that happen? I did everything they told me to. Did you know I build missiles? I help to protect America. You should be rewarded for that. Instead, they give it to the plastic surgeon. They lied to me.
-->'''Sergeant Prendergast''': Is that what this is about? You're angry because you got lied to? Is that why my chicken dinner is drying out in the oven? Listen, pal, they lie to everyone. They lie to the fish. But that doesn't give you any special right to do what you did today.
* PlayedForLaughs in the second ''Film/HotShots'' movie. An important sub-plot concerns the fact that [[TheMole there is a mole]] who has provided information to SaddamHussein and compromised several prisoner rescue missions already. At the end, it's discovered that TheMole is the GirlOfTheWeek, Michelle, and that this girl has a vendetta against the ''previous'' GirlOfTheWeek, Ramada, which drove her to treason. She gives a very PsychoLesbian-sadomasochist-GirlOnGirlIsHot-laden MotiveRant.... which climaxes with her explaining that Ramada over-tightened her bungee rig back at college. Everybody else gets flabbergasted at that.
* From ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit''
-->'''Judge Doom:''' Eight lanes of shimmering cement, from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past.\\
'''Eddie Valiant:''' So that's why you killed Acme and Maroon? For this freeway? I don't get it.\\
'''Judge Doom:''' Of course not. You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on, all day, all ''night''. Soon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food, tire salons, automobile dealerships, and wonderful, wonderful billboards as far as the eye can see! My God, it'll be beautiful!
* ''Film/HotFuzz''. After constructing an elaborate scenario involving a local supermarket-owner [[RealEstateScam murdering various townsfolk to secure land that will soon have an expressway built through it]], thus escalating in value, Nicholas Angel learns that Mr. Skinner and his associates actually killed those people for extremely petty reasons, such as having an annoying laugh or repeatedly spelling their names wrong in the newspaper. Their ringleader, police chief Frank Butterman, allows this and targets anyone who dissents or stands out, in order to win the annual Village of the Year competition.
* ''Film/DieHard'' has this exchange after TheReveal about Hans' EvilPlan:
-->'''Holly Gennero [=McClane=]:''' After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common thief. \\
'''Hans Gruber:''' I am an exceptional thief, Mrs. [=McClane=]. And since I'm moving up to kidnapping, you should be more polite.
** During the climactic showdown, John has a similar reaction, although he's stalling for time.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Literature]]
* ''Literature/ArtemisFowl:'' Holly is not quite disappointed but very surprised when she finds out that the guy who kidnapped a fairy is only doing it to ransom her for a very large quantity of gold. Prior to that, she'd assumed his goal was to spark an interspecies war.
* ''Literature/CiaphasCain'': In "Traitor's Gambit", Tau sympathizers hijack and blow up a ship to take out the Lord General. After Cain discovers that the mastermind was just there to loot the ship, he calls her a common thief, to which she reacts pridefully.
* In the PeriodPiece mystery novel ''Eater of Souls'', an ancient Egyptian serial killer targets people for such "unforgivable crimes" as accidentally spilling his drink or beating him to the punch in hiring a prostitute he'd had his eye on. The sleuths who solve the case are, themselves, taken aback by just how petty the killer's motives had been for several of the murders. It's why they conclude that he ''hadn't'' been possessed by the demonic Anut, but was merely acting out his own self-centered vendetta: no self-respecting divine being, even a scary one, would've gone to the trouble of seeking payback for such trivial offenses.
* ''Literature/BarryTrotter and the Unnecessary Sequel:'' Barry confronts the BigBad (who works in Wizard/[[{{Muggle}} Muddle]] Relations) and learns that he was prepared to exterminate the entire wizard community just to cut down the amount of paperwork in his job:
-->'''Barry''': That's it? No [[TakeOverTheWorld World Domination]]?
-->[[spoiler:'''Niccolo''']]: Nope. That'd be an even bigger hassle. Who needs it? I just want to retire. Do you want [[EvilLaugh an evil cackle]] or something?
-->'''Barry''': It might be nice! This is only [[BreakingTheFourthWall the denouement to the entire sodding book]]! Genocide as a paperwork-reduction method is kind of a letdown, yes!
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Live-Action Television]]
* ''Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation'':
** In one episode, while investigating one murder, Grissom finds signs that another one may have occurred. After finding the body of the hotel owner's wife in his water tank, the owner casually sighs.
-->'''Owner:''' "She nagged me."
-->'''Grissom (dumbfounded):''' "She ''nagged'' you?"
** ArcVillain [[DeadlyDoctor "Dr. Jekyll"]], who goes on a rampage of [[TimeDelayedDeath Time-Delayed Deaths]] and MedicalHorror. His FreudianExcuse is being forced by his dad to work as a waiter and chef instead of a surgeon. The only reason why the crime scene investigators don't act any more dumbfounded is because [[DramaBomb just one minute before]] him going into his MotiveRant [[CopKiller he killed a cop]] [[HeroKiller and heavily wounded Nick]] [[KnightofCerebus with a shotgun]]. Langston buys time by telling "Jekyll" his own FreudianExcuse (a BloodKnight dad) and pointing out that, next to ''that'', "Jekyll's" [[DisproportionateRetribution is just obscenely disproportionate]].
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[[folder:{{Videogames}}]]
* ''Videogame/{{Persona 4}}''. When [[spoiler:Adachi]] is revealed as the culprit behind several murders and attempted murders, he tells the Investigation Team that the reason he committed the first murder was because he found out a celebrity he was crushing on had a sexual affair with another man, and he threw a temper tantrum. And the second one had a similar reason, when he spotted a high school girl talking to an older man, he accused her of being unchaste and murdered her for being "a whore". From then on, he fell headfirst into [[Film/TheDarkKnight "some men want to watch the world burn"]] territory and committed the rest of the attempted murders strictly ForTheEvulz. The team is ''aghast'' that their entire adventure started because of one man's childish and perverted insecurities.
* ''Videogame/MassEffect2''
** In Jack's loyalty mission, they find out that someone is trying to rebuild the experiment that tortured and exploited Jack and other kids like her. At the end, she discovers that the person doing it is another victim like she was, who is trying to make sense of it and justify what happened to them by saying it must have had a purpose. His plan is to restart the whole thing with other children until he finds what the original scientists were after. Jack is ''extremely'' pissed when she hears this, and the PlayerCharacter, Commander Shepard, is likewise angry that he'd let other kids go through that kind of nightmarish Hell for such a ridiculous reason.
** In Jacob's loyalty mission, it's discovered that Jacob's father, Ronald Taylor, had ruled over what was essentially a rape camp while marooned on an island with toxic food that degenerates intelligence. At first, the plan was to ration out safe food to the essential staff that could fix the rescue beacon while the non-essentials survived on the toxic stuff until help arrived. However, as unrest amongst the crew grew, Taylor kept order by withholding food until his enemies went dumb. And he rewarded those loyal to him by "giving away" women that had become mindless, and kept several for himself as well. In the end, Taylor only sets off the beacon because the crew rebelled violently after they discovered the beacon had been fixed a long time ago, and that Taylor had kept this fact hidden to let his little kingdom continue until the very last of the food stores ran out. Jacob flat out calls it a "juvenile fantasy" when he finds out.
* In ''[[Videogame/SlyCooper Sly Cooper 2: Band Of Thieves]]'', [[GentlemanThief Sly Cooper]] has this reaction to [[BigBad Arpeggio]] for doing "All this cause you can't fly. You're Pathetic." Though it is later subverted when Sly learns that Arpeggio wanted to reassemble and merge with Clockwerk in order to achieve immortality.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Western Animation]]
* In the ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' episode, "Just Desserts", a follow-up to the episode, "Supper Villain", Mrs. Smith and her children join her husband in helping him eliminate the Powerpuff Girls, following his release from prison. After the girls defeat them in a showdown, Mrs. Smith explains that her motive for wanting to destroy the girls was not really because they drove her husband insane or sent him to prison, but because they ruined her dinner. As the girls point out, that's not a good reason for wanting revenge on them at all.
[[/folder]]
->'''Naoto:''' "[...]though you claim to find life troublesome, you caused nothing but trouble for many others! Your twisted logic is that of an immature, egotistical brat!"
->''[snip]''
->'''[[spoiler:Adachi]]:''' "Sh-Shut up! Stop trying to act all tough... You guys can't even stand on your own unless you deny everything I said! S-Stupid teenagers...! You have no idea what kinda shit I've been through!!"
->'''Yosuke:''' "'Favored by the world' my ass... I'm gonna say it flat out. You're just a worthless criminal!"
-->--''Videogame/{{Persona 4}}''
In fiction, most bad guys have a FreudianExcuse. Some may even go as far as having a StartOfDarkness. Some, however, have ''neither''. Or, at least, not a ''"good"'' one.
This trope occurs when the bad guy hits the good guys with the typical MotiveRant for their actions, and an observer dumbfoundedly proclaims, "THAT'S your reason?" with unabashed disgust or disappointment. To the bad guy, committing murder, ColdBloodedTorture, or any other heinous deeds or crimes based on that motive made sense, or at least, they saw it as a legitimate excuse. The heroes and others who find out the truth, however, are utterly disappointed not only that so much evil happened for such nonsensical reasons, but that ''this loser'' has had them running around expecting an epic battle of wills.
This isn't the same as ForTheEvulz or ItAmusedMe. The character in question had a "reason", but as far as the good guys are concerned, it wasn't a very good one. Also, please no [[InvertedTrope "Heroic"]] examples of this trope. If the character isn't doing "bad" or immoral things, it doesn't count for this trope.
Compare and constrast with MotiveDecay, where the initial motive was actually a good one (or at least made more sense) than what it ended up devolving into. Also compare TragicDream, where the motivation can be very valid, but is in no way reachable, as well as DisproportionateRetribution and ComicallySmallDemand.
May overlap with EvilIsPetty. See also AntiClimacticUnmasking, where the identity of the perpetrator is also disappointing.
'''NOTE: InUniverseExamplesOnly. The important part of this trope is other characters' ''reaction'' to the motive; the motive itself is secondary.''' [[noreallife]]
----
!Examples
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[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Commander Red, leader of the Red Ribbon Army (which has been an entire army made of [[KnightOfCerebus Knights of Cerebus]]) initially says he needs the Dragon Balls in order to take over the world. However, he eventually reveals he wants them to wish [[spoiler: that he's a few inches taller. When his second in command, Adjutant Black, finds out, Black kills him and takes over the army]].
* ''Manga/OnePiece''
** In the Fishman Island arc's climax, Hody Jones is a FantasticRacist who utterly ''hates'' humans. However, it's revealed in an exchange that occurs between himself and Prince Fukaboshi that he was just raised to be a bigot. He's never had a bad experience with humans personally, but when in Rome.... Fukaboshi immediately sends out a mass-communication admitting that Hody's grief is "one without substance".
--> '''Fukaboshi''': What happened to you? Did humans enslave you? Did they hurt your loved ones? Answer me, Hody! ''What the hell did those humans do to you?''
--> '''Hody Jones''': ...nothing.
** One year before the story's beginning, the "Pirate Noble" Cavendish took the world by storm. One year later, Cavendish's fame was eclipsed by Luffy and several other rookie pirates now known as the "Worst Generation." Being the AttentionWhore that he is, Cavendish has sworn vengeance on those pirates. Even Luffy is smart enough to realize this is a rather petty grudge.
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[[folder:Comic Books]]
* Towards the end of the post-''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'' ''ComicBook/SecretSix'' miniseries, Mad Hatter tried to kill Scandal, because she once ''swatted his hat''.
* One ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' story featured a mysterious new supervillain named Kaga who turns out to be just a bitter old Japanese man in a wheelchair who, as a Hiroshima survivor with deforming, debilitating mutations, was jealous of [[WitchSpecies Mutants]] for having relatively benign and paranormal mutations (plus [[TheBeautifulPeople looking]] [[MostCommonSuperpower drop-dead]] [[HeroicBuild gorgeous]]). He lampshades and defies this trope.
-->"What were you expecting? A master plan? A scheme to turn off the sun? This is the real world. Hatred and disgust are good enough reasons to want to kill people."
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Film - Animated]]
* In ''WesternAnimation/PhineasAndFerbTheMovieAcrossThe2ndDimension'', Alternate!Doof's tragic back story is that he lost a toy train as a child. Immediately lampshaded by Prime!Doof who lists off tragic back story after tragic back story.
* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyondReturnOfTheJoker''. Invoked by Terry [=McGinnis=] during his battle against SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker. Terry is basically ''trying'' to piss the Joker off..
-->'''Terry:''' "So you fell in a tank of acid, got your skin bleached and decided to become a supervillain. What, you couldn't get a job as a rodeo clown?"
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Film - Live-Action]]
* In the movie ''Film/FallingDown'', [[VillainProtagonist William Foster]] has been through a lot: losing his job, his family, and otherwise having things go wrong. But finally, he goes on a rampage around Los Angeles because...he wants to go to his daughter birthday party (granted it's implied that he was going to do [[PaterFamilicide much worse]] but still) along the way he gets pissed at people for the pettiest reasons. Somewhat justified in that his ex-wife implies he needed professional help. At the climax in the movie, this exchange happens:
-->'''Bill''': I'm the bad guy? How did that happen? I did everything they told me to. Did you know I build missiles? I help to protect America. You should be rewarded for that. Instead, they give it to the plastic surgeon. They lied to me.
-->'''Sergeant Prendergast''': Is that what this is about? You're angry because you got lied to? Is that why my chicken dinner is drying out in the oven? Listen, pal, they lie to everyone. They lie to the fish. But that doesn't give you any special right to do what you did today.
* PlayedForLaughs in the second ''Film/HotShots'' movie. An important sub-plot concerns the fact that [[TheMole there is a mole]] who has provided information to SaddamHussein and compromised several prisoner rescue missions already. At the end, it's discovered that TheMole is the GirlOfTheWeek, Michelle, and that this girl has a vendetta against the ''previous'' GirlOfTheWeek, Ramada, which drove her to treason. She gives a very PsychoLesbian-sadomasochist-GirlOnGirlIsHot-laden MotiveRant.... which climaxes with her explaining that Ramada over-tightened her bungee rig back at college. Everybody else gets flabbergasted at that.
* From ''Film/WhoFramedRogerRabbit''
-->'''Judge Doom:''' Eight lanes of shimmering cement, from here to Pasadena. Smooth, safe, fast. Traffic jams will be a thing of the past.\\
'''Eddie Valiant:''' So that's why you killed Acme and Maroon? For this freeway? I don't get it.\\
'''Judge Doom:''' Of course not. You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on, all day, all ''night''. Soon, where Toon Town once stood will be a string of gas stations, inexpensive motels, restaurants that serve rapidly prepared food, tire salons, automobile dealerships, and wonderful, wonderful billboards as far as the eye can see! My God, it'll be beautiful!
* ''Film/HotFuzz''. After constructing an elaborate scenario involving a local supermarket-owner [[RealEstateScam murdering various townsfolk to secure land that will soon have an expressway built through it]], thus escalating in value, Nicholas Angel learns that Mr. Skinner and his associates actually killed those people for extremely petty reasons, such as having an annoying laugh or repeatedly spelling their names wrong in the newspaper. Their ringleader, police chief Frank Butterman, allows this and targets anyone who dissents or stands out, in order to win the annual Village of the Year competition.
* ''Film/DieHard'' has this exchange after TheReveal about Hans' EvilPlan:
-->'''Holly Gennero [=McClane=]:''' After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common thief. \\
'''Hans Gruber:''' I am an exceptional thief, Mrs. [=McClane=]. And since I'm moving up to kidnapping, you should be more polite.
** During the climactic showdown, John has a similar reaction, although he's stalling for time.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Literature]]
* ''Literature/ArtemisFowl:'' Holly is not quite disappointed but very surprised when she finds out that the guy who kidnapped a fairy is only doing it to ransom her for a very large quantity of gold. Prior to that, she'd assumed his goal was to spark an interspecies war.
* ''Literature/CiaphasCain'': In "Traitor's Gambit", Tau sympathizers hijack and blow up a ship to take out the Lord General. After Cain discovers that the mastermind was just there to loot the ship, he calls her a common thief, to which she reacts pridefully.
* In the PeriodPiece mystery novel ''Eater of Souls'', an ancient Egyptian serial killer targets people for such "unforgivable crimes" as accidentally spilling his drink or beating him to the punch in hiring a prostitute he'd had his eye on. The sleuths who solve the case are, themselves, taken aback by just how petty the killer's motives had been for several of the murders. It's why they conclude that he ''hadn't'' been possessed by the demonic Anut, but was merely acting out his own self-centered vendetta: no self-respecting divine being, even a scary one, would've gone to the trouble of seeking payback for such trivial offenses.
* ''Literature/BarryTrotter and the Unnecessary Sequel:'' Barry confronts the BigBad (who works in Wizard/[[{{Muggle}} Muddle]] Relations) and learns that he was prepared to exterminate the entire wizard community just to cut down the amount of paperwork in his job:
-->'''Barry''': That's it? No [[TakeOverTheWorld World Domination]]?
-->[[spoiler:'''Niccolo''']]: Nope. That'd be an even bigger hassle. Who needs it? I just want to retire. Do you want [[EvilLaugh an evil cackle]] or something?
-->'''Barry''': It might be nice! This is only [[BreakingTheFourthWall the denouement to the entire sodding book]]! Genocide as a paperwork-reduction method is kind of a letdown, yes!
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Live-Action Television]]
* ''Series/CSICrimeSceneInvestigation'':
** In one episode, while investigating one murder, Grissom finds signs that another one may have occurred. After finding the body of the hotel owner's wife in his water tank, the owner casually sighs.
-->'''Owner:''' "She nagged me."
-->'''Grissom (dumbfounded):''' "She ''nagged'' you?"
** ArcVillain [[DeadlyDoctor "Dr. Jekyll"]], who goes on a rampage of [[TimeDelayedDeath Time-Delayed Deaths]] and MedicalHorror. His FreudianExcuse is being forced by his dad to work as a waiter and chef instead of a surgeon. The only reason why the crime scene investigators don't act any more dumbfounded is because [[DramaBomb just one minute before]] him going into his MotiveRant [[CopKiller he killed a cop]] [[HeroKiller and heavily wounded Nick]] [[KnightofCerebus with a shotgun]]. Langston buys time by telling "Jekyll" his own FreudianExcuse (a BloodKnight dad) and pointing out that, next to ''that'', "Jekyll's" [[DisproportionateRetribution is just obscenely disproportionate]].
[[/folder]]
[[folder:{{Videogames}}]]
* ''Videogame/{{Persona 4}}''. When [[spoiler:Adachi]] is revealed as the culprit behind several murders and attempted murders, he tells the Investigation Team that the reason he committed the first murder was because he found out a celebrity he was crushing on had a sexual affair with another man, and he threw a temper tantrum. And the second one had a similar reason, when he spotted a high school girl talking to an older man, he accused her of being unchaste and murdered her for being "a whore". From then on, he fell headfirst into [[Film/TheDarkKnight "some men want to watch the world burn"]] territory and committed the rest of the attempted murders strictly ForTheEvulz. The team is ''aghast'' that their entire adventure started because of one man's childish and perverted insecurities.
* ''Videogame/MassEffect2''
** In Jack's loyalty mission, they find out that someone is trying to rebuild the experiment that tortured and exploited Jack and other kids like her. At the end, she discovers that the person doing it is another victim like she was, who is trying to make sense of it and justify what happened to them by saying it must have had a purpose. His plan is to restart the whole thing with other children until he finds what the original scientists were after. Jack is ''extremely'' pissed when she hears this, and the PlayerCharacter, Commander Shepard, is likewise angry that he'd let other kids go through that kind of nightmarish Hell for such a ridiculous reason.
** In Jacob's loyalty mission, it's discovered that Jacob's father, Ronald Taylor, had ruled over what was essentially a rape camp while marooned on an island with toxic food that degenerates intelligence. At first, the plan was to ration out safe food to the essential staff that could fix the rescue beacon while the non-essentials survived on the toxic stuff until help arrived. However, as unrest amongst the crew grew, Taylor kept order by withholding food until his enemies went dumb. And he rewarded those loyal to him by "giving away" women that had become mindless, and kept several for himself as well. In the end, Taylor only sets off the beacon because the crew rebelled violently after they discovered the beacon had been fixed a long time ago, and that Taylor had kept this fact hidden to let his little kingdom continue until the very last of the food stores ran out. Jacob flat out calls it a "juvenile fantasy" when he finds out.
* In ''[[Videogame/SlyCooper Sly Cooper 2: Band Of Thieves]]'', [[GentlemanThief Sly Cooper]] has this reaction to [[BigBad Arpeggio]] for doing "All this cause you can't fly. You're Pathetic." Though it is later subverted when Sly learns that Arpeggio wanted to reassemble and merge with Clockwerk in order to achieve immortality.
[[/folder]]
[[folder:Western Animation]]
* In the ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' episode, "Just Desserts", a follow-up to the episode, "Supper Villain", Mrs. Smith and her children join her husband in helping him eliminate the Powerpuff Girls, following his release from prison. After the girls defeat them in a showdown, Mrs. Smith explains that her motive for wanting to destroy the girls was not really because they drove her husband insane or sent him to prison, but because they ruined her dinner. As the girls point out, that's not a good reason for wanting revenge on them at all.
[[/folder]]
