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** Probably doesn't count, though, since the Messian sect blatently worships YHWH. So, the Crystal Dragon part doesn't really apply...
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** The Andrastian Chantry is somewhat a mix of the Byzantine Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church, however. The church is lead by a "Divine" (IE: Pope) who, much like the Pope in real life, takes on a different name upon being beatified. As a departure, only women are allowed in the upper echelons of the order: there are no "Revered Fathers", only Revered Mothers (bishops), male Grand Clerics (cardinals), or any male Divine in the history, except for the schism of the religion in the [[TheRemnant Tevinter Imperium]].

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** The Andrastian Chantry is somewhat a mix of the Byzantine Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church, however. The church is lead by a "Divine" (IE: Pope) who, much like the Pope in real life, takes on a different name upon being beatified. As a departure, only women are allowed in the upper echelons of the order: there are no "Revered Fathers", only Revered Mothers (bishops), no male Grand Clerics (cardinals), or any and no male Divine in the history, except for the schism of the religion in the [[TheRemnant Tevinter Imperium]].
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** The Andrastian Chantry is somewhat a mix of the Byzantine Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church, however.

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** The Andrastian Chantry is somewhat a mix of the Byzantine Orthodoxy and the Catholic Church, however. The church is lead by a "Divine" (IE: Pope) who, much like the Pope in real life, takes on a different name upon being beatified. As a departure, only women are allowed in the upper echelons of the order: there are no "Revered Fathers", only Revered Mothers (bishops), male Grand Clerics (cardinals), or any male Divine in the history, except for the schism of the religion in the [[TheRemnant Tevinter Imperium]].
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* Fiona Patton's Branion historical fantasy series, set in an alternate Europe in like manner to Guy Gavriel Kay's works, has two fictional faiths which very loosely parallel the conflict between Catholicism and Protestantism and have many deliberate similarities to Christianity:

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* Fiona Patton's Branion ''TalesOfTheBranionRealm'' historical fantasy series, set in an alternate Europe in like manner to Guy Gavriel Kay's works, has two fictional faiths which very loosely parallel the conflict between Catholicism and Protestantism and have many deliberate similarities to Christianity:



* OrsonScottCard's Alvin Maker is basically Joseph Smith plus magic.

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* OrsonScottCard's [[Literature/TheTalesOfAlvinMaker Alvin Maker Maker]] is basically Joseph Smith plus magic.
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waaaay off topic, and the obvious analogue would be \"Adam\", the father of mankind (and thus Jesus) whose sin the Bible explicitly says Jesus is redeeming


** Lucas always claimed to be re-interpreting traditional forms of myth. But ''redeems his father'' is interesting because it is not standard Christianity but may well fit some Gnostic Christianity where the True Divinity is beyond comprehension using the normal intellect of the 'created' world and the 'creator' Jehovah is a kind of schizophrenic subpersonality or, in some versions, lesser deity that got away like the (corrupt) universe of its creation. A prayer (or meditation) attributed to Valentinus has the believer 'redeeming myself' from 'this Aion' (order of existence) through the Divine Incarnation (stereotypically in Jesus, but standing for in all of us in Gnostic belief) 'as did IAO', that is, the Greek version of 'YHWH'. So reversing the orthodox (and most other Gnostic!) belief that Jehovah's incarnation as Jesus 'redeemed' mankind, in the Valentinian view, Jehovah's incarnation as Jesus redeemed the demi-urge Jehovah by bringing him into awareness of the greater divine spark in humanity. I have heard devout Roman Catholics say something similar that "God understands us because he became one of us" - which raises the question of why experience was necessary for the Omniscient.
** For further reading on this massive subject, consult the nonfiction book ''The Hero With a Thousand Faces'', a study of Messiah and hero figures across cultures and history, the author of whom was consulted extensively by George Lucas when writing the original stories.
** Also see ''The Power of Myth'' by the same author (Joseph Campbell). In it, Campbell mentions that the one thing that an omniscient, omnipresent being lacks is "limitation." Without limitations, such a being regards everything impartially; all things are equal and good. The only way it can understand human suffering (or experience any novelty at all) is to become a mortal and finite individual.
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* ''Webcomic/{{Digger}}'', being a FantasyKitchenSink, has not only a CrystalDragonJesus called the Good Man, it also has an equivalent of Virgin Mary. And [[spoiler: an evil version of said Virgin Mary figure made from certain people's belief that {{God}}, wherein the two universes are merging, [[GodIsEvil is evil]]. She murdered her myth's version of the Good Man, and looking at her face drove one of the characters partially insane.]]
* ''AnsemRetort'' considers {{Batman}} to be a god. WordOfGod assures us that Zombie Superpowered Batman is indeed terrifying.

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* ''Webcomic/{{Digger}}'', being a FantasyKitchenSink, has not only a CrystalDragonJesus called the Good Man, it also has an equivalent of Virgin Mary. And [[spoiler: an evil version of said Virgin Mary figure made from certain people's belief that {{God}}, wherein the two universes are merging, [[GodIsEvil is evil]]. She murdered killed her myth's version of the Good Man, and looking at her face drove one of the characters partially insane.]]
* ''AnsemRetort'' considers {{Batman}} Franchise/{{Batman}} to be a god. WordOfGod assures us that Zombie Superpowered Batman is indeed terrifying.
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* A number of works by K.J. Parker are set in a vaguely Byzantine setting, and while there isn't a clear "verse", they share some common background references. One such reference is a religion which worships the "Invisible Sun", and has seminaries, Bishoprics, and the like.

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* A number of works by K.J. Parker are set in a vaguely Byzantine setting, and while there isn't a clear "verse", they share some common background references. One such reference is a religion which worships the "Invisible Sun", and has seminaries, Bishoprics, and the like. In ''Literature/TheFoldingKnife'', it is indicated that worshippers will carry a rosary that includes beads and jewelry representing "Lady Moon (perhaps a Virgin Mary analogue), seven silver stars and the Invincible Sun".
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* Thorarinn Gunnarsson's "Dragonlord of Mystara" includes one of the few literal examples: The protagonist grows up as a human orphan, but is secretly [[spoiler: a polymorphed gold dragon, son of the only dragon god and his chief cleric. In book 2, the crystal dragons of D&D are described as [[TranshumanTreachery transdragonists]] who enhanced themselves magically and tried to conquer the word; they had been trying to achieve [[AGodAmI godhood]]; in book 3, the protagonist - once again, the literal son of a god - apotheoses into a crystal dragon to save all mortal life from a soul-enslaving alien evil.]] However, in spite of there being a literal crystal dragon Jesus [[expy]] involved, it subverts every other defining aspect of the trope.

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* Thorarinn Gunnarsson's "Dragonlord of Mystara" includes one of the few literal examples: The protagonist grows up as a human orphan, but is secretly [[spoiler: a polymorphed gold dragon, son of the only dragon god and his chief cleric. In book 2, the crystal dragons of D&D are described as as]] [[TranshumanTreachery transdragonists]] [[spoiler: who enhanced themselves magically and tried to conquer the word; they had been trying to achieve achieve]] [[AGodAmI godhood]]; godhood]] [[spoiler:; in book 3, the protagonist - once again, the literal son of a god - apotheoses into a crystal dragon to save all mortal life from a soul-enslaving alien evil.]] However, in spite of there being a literal ''literal'' crystal dragon Jesus [[expy]] {{expy}} involved, it subverts every other defining aspect of the trope.
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\"Dragonlord of Mystara\" was an awesome book series.

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* Thorarinn Gunnarsson's "Dragonlord of Mystara" includes one of the few literal examples: The protagonist grows up as a human orphan, but is secretly [[spoiler: a polymorphed gold dragon, son of the only dragon god and his chief cleric. In book 2, the crystal dragons of D&D are described as [[TranshumanTreachery transdragonists]] who enhanced themselves magically and tried to conquer the word; they had been trying to achieve [[AGodAmI godhood]]; in book 3, the protagonist - once again, the literal son of a god - apotheoses into a crystal dragon to save all mortal life from a soul-enslaving alien evil.]] However, in spite of there being a literal crystal dragon Jesus [[expy]] involved, it subverts every other defining aspect of the trope.

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* In VideoGame/{{Civilization}} V: Gods and Kings expansion pack, you can found religions and choose the beliefs of the religions. It can range from playing this trope straight, with your Shinto religion having a Papacy, making Cathedrals, and believing in a Messiah, or invert by having a Christian state religion where you believe in a Sea God, have Mosques, and think religious idols are holy.

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* In VideoGame/{{Civilization}} V: Gods and Kings expansion pack, you can found religions and choose the beliefs of the religions. It can range from playing this trope straight, with your Shinto religion having a Papacy, making Cathedrals, and believing in a Messiah, or invert by having a Christian state religion where you believe in a Sea God, have Mosques, and think religious idols are holy. holy.
* In ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings II'', sufficiently strong pagan rulers can, under the right circumstances, reform their respective faiths, creating an organized religion with a formal priestly hierarchy and written holy texts. It's implied that these reforms are inspired by contact with and directly patterned after the Christian and Islamic religious bodies. (In this case the religions involved actually did exist but never achieved the same level of organization as Christianity and Islam in the real world.)
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** The Nerevarine is another example of this, being the supposed reincarnation of Nerevar, along with numerous prophecies surrounding them.
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* In ''HauntedJunction'', Haruto Hojo is selected to be one of the three members of the Holy Student Council (the others being a Shinto miko and the son of a Buddhist monk) because his father is a Christian priest. The denomination is ''extremely'' vague... the priest's vestments are similar to a Jesuit's robes but in all white, he can marry and have a family, has the icons in his church that bear a strong resemblance to the Virgin Mary, and is skilled in the ways of HermeticMagic with no qualms about teaching his son enough to make a spirit trapping spell. (Note that some rites in the Catholic Church allow priests to marry; just not the Latin rite, which is the largest. I doubt that was what was intended, though.)

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* In ''HauntedJunction'', Haruto Hojo is selected to be one of the three members of the Holy Student Council (the others being a Shinto miko and the son of a Buddhist monk) because his father is a Christian priest. The denomination is ''extremely'' vague... the priest's vestments are similar to a Jesuit's robes but in all white, he can marry and have a family, has the icons in his church that bear a strong resemblance to the Virgin Mary, and is skilled in the ways of HermeticMagic with no qualms about teaching his son enough to make a spirit trapping spell. (Note that some rites in the Catholic Church allow priests to marry; just not the Latin rite, which is the largest. I doubt that was what was intended, though.)
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The name itself is a DeadUnicornTrope as few writers are willing to literally use a Crystal Dragon, but it does get the idea of random in-universe creatures. Furthermore there's the belief that [[NewAgeRetroHippie new-age]] [[PowerCrystal crystals do everything]] and it's conveninent for writers who want to make a [[MessianiacArchetype Christ figure]] come across.

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The name itself is a DeadUnicornTrope as few writers are willing to literally use a Crystal Dragon, but it does get the idea of random in-universe creatures. Furthermore there's the belief that [[NewAgeRetroHippie new-age]] [[PowerCrystal crystals do everything]] and it's conveninent for writers who want to make a [[MessianiacArchetype [[MessianicArchetype Christ figure]] come across.
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The name itself is a DeadUnicornTrope as few writers are willing to literally use a Crystal Dragon, but it does get the idea of random in-universe creatures. Furthermore there's the belief that [[NewAgeRetroHippie new-age]] [[PowerCrystal crystals do everything]] and it's conveninent for writers who want to make a [[MessaniacArchetype Christ figure]] come across.

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The name itself is a DeadUnicornTrope as few writers are willing to literally use a Crystal Dragon, but it does get the idea of random in-universe creatures. Furthermore there's the belief that [[NewAgeRetroHippie new-age]] [[PowerCrystal crystals do everything]] and it's conveninent for writers who want to make a [[MessaniacArchetype [[MessianiacArchetype Christ figure]] come across.
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** However, there are ''two'' different churches. Rune Midgard Kingdom has Church of Odin and Arunafeltz State has Church of Freya, which worship completely different Gods. In general, Church of Odin is treated as the better one of the two.
** Meanwhile, Church of Freya has two different factions. While one is good, the other one is borderline heretic. The heretics do horrible things, including but not limited to: [[spoiler:manipulated the Pope for their liking, froze the Pope's twin brother since he was born by threatening Guardian of Ice to do it, worked with Rekenber Corporation to build undestructible cyborg soldiers with Artificial Heart of Ymir planted into them, planned to start a war with the good factions and Rune Midgard Kingdom with those soldiers, killed every single members of Rune Midgard Kingdom royal family, kidnapped King Tristan III and killed him in an abandoned monastery.]]
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** Also, if you stretch it somewhat, the attributes of the Triforce are similar to a biblical principal. TheBible states that "God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of love, a spirit of power, and a sound mind." It also says "perfect love casts out fear." So, the Triforce's attributes--courage, power, and wisdom--basically equate to the spirit of love, the spirit of power, and a sound mind respectively.

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** Also, if you stretch it somewhat, the attributes of the Triforce are similar to a biblical principal. TheBible Literature/TheBible states that "God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of love, a spirit of power, and a sound mind." It also says "perfect love casts out fear." So, the Triforce's attributes--courage, power, and wisdom--basically equate to the spirit of love, the spirit of power, and a sound mind respectively.

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** Illustrations of Hugonon Ridcully (Chief Priest of Blind Io in Ahnk-Morpork) in Discworld/TheLastHero depict him in vestments that look very Bishop-y, and include plenty of crosses (which is especially odd as his god's symbol is a hammer).


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** Illustrations of Hugonon Ridcully (Chief Priest of Blind Io in Ahnk-Morpork) in Discworld/TheLastHero depict him in vestments that look very Bishop-y, and include plenty of crosses (which is especially odd as his god's symbol is a hammer).
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** Generally speaking, despite each setting having what is described as a pantheon, D&D's religion creates a set of parallel monotheisms (with characters worshipping a single god) rather than a polytheism (with characters directing prayers and devotion to whatever god is important to them while worshipping the entire pantheon).

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* Monte Cook's "World of Praemal", in which he sets most of his popular "Arcana Unearthed" series of products for the D&D game, features a "Mother Church" that's basically Catholicism with the serial numbers filed off.
** Praemal is the world in which "Ptolus" and associated products are set, and they have the Church of Lothian. "Arcana Unearthed" has very limited religious presence and no large organized religions. There is no Mother Church in Monte Cook's products.

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* Monte Cook's "World "{{Ptolus}}" setting has the Church of Praemal", in Lothian, which he sets most of his popular "Arcana Unearthed" series of products for the D&D game, features a "Mother Church" that's basically is quite obviously Catholicism with the serial numbers filed off.
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off. The official, if now discredited, dogma that all other gods are false ones and actually demons in disguise, the god being a mortal who became a god after death, said ascension martyrism coming as a result of death by crucifixion... the holy symbol of Lothian is basically a Celtic cross (a cross with a circle where the four arms in it) with a depiction of Lothian crucified on top, as is the world in which "Ptolus" and associated products are set, and they have the Church most common depiction of Lothian. "Arcana Unearthed" has very limited religious presence and no large organized religions. There is no Mother Church in Monte Cook's products.a Christian cross.


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** The "vampire paganism" of the Circle of the Crone sits somewhere between here and LowestCosmicDenominator; there's clearly references to real-world paganism, but it's given a unique spin.
*** Mithraism from the "Mythologies" sourcebook, however, is a case of LowestCosmicDenominator.
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* The WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfiction ''Fanfic/{{Jericho}}'' plays this trope straight, but does so in a very interesting manner. The religion of the Teutsche—a strange [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy warrior nation]] that is a sort of CultureChopSuey between {{Prussia}}, ImperialGermany, and the more heroic aspects of {{Eagleland}} (Flavor 1)—is something of this. WordOfGod states that the religion is [[CrystalDragonJesus based off Christianity]], but is not it. They share the sign of the cross—which the narrator, [[FirstPersonSmartass Jericho]], a Teutscher himself, calls ''das Kreuzzeichen''—wear crosses, and even refer to their deity as “God” (or “Adonai”, an old Hebrew name meaning “Lord”).
** However, the more details the story gives about the religion, the less Christian it seems. Like how they believe that [[NameOfCain Kain]] to be a dark hero. Or, for one interesting example:
--> “... the sixth tenant of the faith is ‘you shall not murder’. It does not say ‘you shall not kill’. I mean, yes, you could interchange those two things sometimes, but to murder and to kill are two different concepts. Murder is wrong. Killing is just a fact of life in this world we live in. The faith makes the distinction quite clearly. The faith teaches that there is no shame in taking somebody’s life for the right reasons.”
** And their version of the sign of cross is spoken with a different Latin phrase, which translates as “in the name of the Father, and of the Prophet, and of the Machine Spirit.” Or, as it is said in the fic:
--> ''“In Nomine Patris, et Prophetae, et Spiritus Machinae.”''
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* A number of works by K.J. Parker are set in a vaguely Byzantine setting, and while there isn't a clear "verse", they share some common background references. One such reference is a religion which worships the "Invisible Sun", and has seminaries, Bishoprics, and the like.
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**** Not exactly... The Church of Martel in Symphonia is a very large part of daily life (because of the Chosen system) and the Tethe'alla branch especially has quite a bit of political power. Phantasia's Church of Martel, as mentioned, is there, but its clearly more of a background "fyi this world has a religion" than an active player in world affairs. So in a sense, the Church of Martel ''didn't'' last. It became less and less significant over the millenia. (And even if you don't take into account that Phantasia was made first, its Church of Martel is still very different from Symphonia's.)
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** Offlerism (despite being a crocodile who fits thematically with Egyptian gods) has some elements of Christianity, such as showing one temple having a collection for fixing the roof, a common phenomenon in old English churches, but the religion also has elements of Islam. It's particularly common in some parts of Klatch, and there's a throwaway reference to devout Offlerians avoiding alcohol. Riffing on Muslim and Jewish dietary laws, Offler forbids his followers from eating broccoli - which is easy to follow, since no one wants to eat broccoli anyway.

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** Offlerism (despite Offler being a crocodile god who fits thematically with Egyptian gods) has some elements of Christianity, such as showing one temple having a collection for fixing the roof, a common phenomenon in old English churches, but the religion also has elements of Islam. It's particularly common in some parts of Klatch, and there's a throwaway reference to devout Offlerians avoiding alcohol. Riffing on Muslim and Jewish dietary laws, Offler forbids his followers from eating broccoli - which is easy to follow, since no one wants to eat broccoli anyway.



* An interesting version in one of HarryTurtledove 's Crosstime Traffic books, were the religion is an alternate universe version of Christianity. In the alternate universe the Black Death lasted longer, and in the aftermath a Christians began worshiping Henri, God's Second Son. Just like with Jesus, Henri's followers use the device that killed him as their symbol. (A wheel, as Henri was stretched on a wooden wheel and rolled down a hill, crushing him.)

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* An interesting version in one ''In High Places'',one of HarryTurtledove 's Crosstime Traffic books, were the religion is an alternate universe version of Christianity. In the alternate universe the Black Death lasted longer, and in the aftermath a Christians began worshiping Henri, God's Second Son. Just like with Jesus, Henri's followers use the device that killed him as their symbol. (A wheel, as Henri was stretched on a large wooden wheel and rolled down a hill, crushing him.)
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** It should also be noted that Gandalf undergoes a Christic transformation. He dies when he falls from the Bridge of Khazad-Dum. When he is reborn, he is no longer "the Grey," but "the White," and come into his full power. The description of him when Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli first encounter him in Fangorn Forest after his transformation is reminiscent of the description of Daniel's vision of the Ancient of Days.
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*** Not only that, but in ''The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe'', Aslan dies on a torture device (the Stone Table) and is reborn to expiate sin (in this case, Edmund's, not the whole world's, but still).
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** Omnianism is more of a ''parody'' of aspects of Christianity, but does worship Om as a bull or an eagle (or, later, a tortoise). More obliquely, in the novel ''Feet of Clay'', Pratchett writes about a conflicting dead religion from the same region as Omnianism, which, given the fact that its "priests" make Golems, might be the Crystal Dragon Jesus version of Judaism. Omnians in later books have also picked up similar habits to Jehovas Witnesses and the Salvation Army.

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** Omnianism is more of a ''parody'' of aspects of Christianity, but does worship Om as a bull or an eagle (or, later, a tortoise). Later on Omnians use an image of the prophet Brutha strapped to a torture device (an iron turtle that was filled with flame) in place of a crucifix. More obliquely, in the novel ''Feet of Clay'', Pratchett writes about a conflicting dead religion from the same region as Omnianism, which, given the fact that its "priests" make Golems, might be the Crystal Dragon Jesus version of Judaism. Omnians in later books have also picked up similar habits to Jehovas Witnesses and the Salvation Army.



** Offlerism has some elements of Christianity, such as showing one temple having a collection for fixing the roof, a common phenomenon in old English churches, but the religion also has elements of Islam. It's particularly common in some parts of Klatch, and there's a throwaway reference to devout Offlerians avoiding alcohol. Riffing on Muslim and Jewish dietary laws, Offler forbids his followers from eating broccoli - which is easy to follow, since no one wants to eat broccoli anyway.

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** Offlerism (despite being a crocodile who fits thematically with Egyptian gods) has some elements of Christianity, such as showing one temple having a collection for fixing the roof, a common phenomenon in old English churches, but the religion also has elements of Islam. It's particularly common in some parts of Klatch, and there's a throwaway reference to devout Offlerians avoiding alcohol. Riffing on Muslim and Jewish dietary laws, Offler forbids his followers from eating broccoli - which is easy to follow, since no one wants to eat broccoli anyway.
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* ''Inverted'' in Creator/JRRTolkien's book ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''. Eru (God) has a lot of similarities to the Christian deity (as to be expected from a Catholic author), but the way in which his creations worship him is very different from traditional Christian practice--if you want to technical about it, he '''is''' the Christian deity. There are very few ceremonies, only a couple per year. And worship is never carried out in buildings; indeed, temples and churches are associated with evil by worshippers of Eru. In Númenorean worship, only the King or Queen could speak to Eru directly and make (bloodless) offerings, and most prayers or hymns seen in the mythology are addressed to one of the Valar (who roughly correspond to archangels or pagan gods).

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* ''Inverted'' in Creator/JRRTolkien's book ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''. Eru (God) has a lot of similarities to the Christian deity (as to be expected from a Catholic author), but the way in which his creations worship him is very different from traditional Christian practice--if you want to technical about it, he '''is''' the Christian deity. There are very few ceremonies, only a couple per year. And worship is never carried out in buildings; indeed, temples and churches are associated with evil by worshippers of Eru. In Númenorean Númenórean worship, only the King or Queen could speak to Eru directly and make (bloodless) offerings, and most prayers or hymns seen in the mythology are addressed to one of the Valar (who roughly correspond to archangels or pagan gods).

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False. It was the Church of the Lightning Stone, absolutely nothing suggests it was Christian http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Uriah_Olathaire


** It's strongly implied that in the short story "The Last Church," Christianity managed to survive at least towards the very dawn of the Great Crusade, the Emperor only visiting the titular church (the last Christian one) out of respect before destroying it. The irony that the Ecclesiarchy would later on use Christian imagery, aesthetics symbolism in promoting worship of the God-Emperor is lost to no one.

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