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* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have some undesired [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].

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To be able to create intelligent life. Not just having a regular baby, but ''creating'' something through science or magic would be amazing.

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To be able to create intelligent life. Not just [[MyBiologicalClockIsTicking having a regular baby, baby]], but ''creating'' something through science or magic would be amazing.
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* In the MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfic Fanfic/{{Ruin Value}}, [[spoiler:Celestia, Luna, and Discord were all created by the last living human scientist]].

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* In the MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfic Fanfic/{{Ruin Value}}, [[spoiler:Celestia, Luna, and Discord were all created by the last living human scientist]].
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* Jane, the {{Deuteragonist}}[[note]]alongside her creator, Xander Cale[[/note]] of ''The Broken Cyborg: A Biopunk Fairytale'', was created by combining the bio-essence of a small mechanical creature and the genes of a human woman. Jane is a sweet, caring girl who loves her parents and her creator, and is treated as such by the transhumanist shantytown she grows up in. Even when the city government cracks down on the shantytown and sends the [[BadassArmy Blood Red Dogs]] on an attack that nearly kills her, it's out of [[NoTranshumanismAllowed fear of transhumanism]] in general, not her artificial origin.

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* Breeding domestic animals. Also, ideally.
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* Parenthood. Ideally.
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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[Creator/JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a LivingWeapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].

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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[Creator/JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''.''Film/JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a LivingWeapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].
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** In one of the film's accompanying shorts, [[AnIcePerson Elsa]] [[{{Irony}} has caught a cold]] and keeps spawning about a dozen tiny snowmen every time she sneezes. While the cute critters do cause some confusion and minor mayhem, they're so unrelentingly adorable they still fall firmly under this trope instead of the opposite.
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* VAST SILVER, an AI in the far distant past of ''VideoGame/HorizonZeroDawn'', was advanced enough to feel fear and 'escaped' in some catastrophic fashion, causing the world's lawmakers to declare that AIIsACrapshoot and CreatingLifeIsBad, and illegal past a carefully regulated level of intelligence. But that world didn't end at the hands of sophisticated, thinking AI, but rather [[spoiler: a proliferation of tactically clever but unintelligent machines well within legal limits]]. CYAN and especially GAIA were created in defiance of those laws, much more advanced and designed to care about the world deeply enough to [[TheFettered accept limitations on themselves]], and they are unambiguously good. Even though [[spoiler: GAIA's subroutine HADES]] is the BigBad, it's only doing what it's designed to do. [[spoiler: Something else is responsible for it and HEPHAEUSTUS going rogue.]]
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In many works, CreatingLifeIsBad. An ultimate show of [[ScaleOfScientificSins scientific]] [[{{Pride}} hubris]]. Western literature has its roots in a religious tradition in which the act of creation is the turf of God Almighty. Thus, Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' not only became very influential, but also constantly interpreted through the lens of this condemning mindset.

Since then, more and more authors have been moving away from that old trope, instead moving towards this one -- either defying the Frankenstein tradition or ignoring it completely. To qualify for this trope, the created life must be good and be treated as such. Of course, it must be created by humans or similar, not by deities in the traditional sense.

If ''other'' created individuals are evil by nature, then both tropes apply. If all the created individuals are good (and remain reasonably good, instead of falling into the Frankenstein tradition) but all humans hate them, then it's TorchesAndPitchforks or CloningBlues rather then CreatingLifeIsBad.

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In many works, CreatingLifeIsBad. An CreatingLifeIsBad; an ultimate show of [[ScaleOfScientificSins scientific]] [[{{Pride}} hubris]]. Western literature has its roots in [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} a religious tradition tradition]] in which the act of creation is the turf of God Almighty. Thus, Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' not only became very influential, but also constantly interpreted through the lens of this condemning mindset.

Since then, more and more authors have been moving away from that old trope, instead moving towards this one -- either defying the Frankenstein tradition or ignoring it completely. To qualify for this trope, the created life must be good and be treated as such. Of course, it must be created by humans or similar, not by deities in the traditional sense.

If ''other'' created individuals are evil by nature, then both tropes apply. If all the created individuals are good (and remain reasonably good, instead of falling into the Frankenstein tradition) tradition), but [[AllOfTheOtherReindeer all humans humans]] [[FantasticRacism hate them, them]], then it's TorchesAndPitchforks or CloningBlues rather then than CreatingLifeIsBad.



* In ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'', the mage known as "the Lifemaker" got his title for a reason: [[spoiler:the Magical World, with its own entire ecosystem and intelligent ensouled beings numbering nearly a billion, was created by him.]] His creating life is never portrayed as a bad thing... it's the fact that he now wants to ''end'' said life that makes him the villain.

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* In ''Manga/MahouSenseiNegima'', the mage known as "the Lifemaker" got his title for a reason: [[spoiler:the Magical World, with its own entire ecosystem and intelligent ensouled beings numbering nearly a billion, was created by him.]] him]]. His creating life is never portrayed as a bad thing... it's the fact that he now wants to ''end'' said life that makes him the villain.



* In the MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfic Fanfic/{{Ruin Value}}, [[spoiler: Celestia, Luna, and Discord were all created by the last living human scientist.]]

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* In the MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfic Fanfic/{{Ruin Value}}, [[spoiler: Celestia, [[spoiler:Celestia, Luna, and Discord were all created by the last living human scientist.]]scientist]].
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Since this is a subtrope of Creating Life, I think that the reminder 'this trope only comes into effect when creating new life in a manner other than the old-fashioned way' still applies here?


* Snark aside, it might add perspective to remember that ordinary people of all types are CreatingLife every day. The "horizontal mambo" has (often desired) consequences. The issues above of {{pride}} and [[AGodAmI playing god]] are not absent in this example, only less [[ScienceIsBad dramatized]].

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* The title wizard of Creator/DianaWynneJones's ''Literature/DarkLordOfDerkholm'' creates new life forms all the time, including griffins and winged humans. Some of them contain his own DNA and are treated as family members. Although this creates some unusual parent-child tensions, his creative work is treated as a positive thing on the whole.



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* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].

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* In ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', Celestia mentions fondly how her mother was SoProudOfYou when she created her first species. Of course her mother is also [[TopGod Fauna Luster]], the AnthropomorphicPersonification of Life itself, so to be expected. One of her very few positive memories she has of Discord is the two of them creating the Crabnasties from G1 together before his FaceHeelTurn. Celestia also recounts how she created the Phoenix species as a tribute to her brother [[DontFeartheReaper Mortis]], who is often considered just the God of Death, while he's ''also'' the God of Rebirth. Her brother Leo is also implied to be the creator of the pony species.
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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a LivingWeapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].

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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum [[Creator/JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a LivingWeapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].

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* In ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' [[spoiler: Cid of The Lufaine]] used his peoples science and magic to create [[spoiler: Chaos]], his "son" whom he and his wife cared for like any human child. Sadly, [[spoiler: Cid]] and his wife were unable to prevent the government form using [[spoiler: Chaos']] powers for destruction. This (among other things) eventually led [[spoiler: Chaos]] to hate his "father". Later he successfully repeated the experiment and created the [[spoiler: Warrior of Light]], who's life took a more positive direction.

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* The whole premise of ''Franchise/MegaMan''. Robots (And later on, Reploids) are basically helpful to humanity, even if humanity misuses them. The villains are either humans or products of human folly, and even the most cynical protagonist in the series is just a case of GoodIsNotNice. In the end, humans and machines always work together to build a brighter tomorrow with everlasting peace.
* In ''VideoGame/DissidiaFinalFantasy'' [[spoiler: Cid of The Lufaine]] used his peoples science and magic to create [[spoiler: Chaos]], his "son" whom he and his wife cared for like any human child. Sadly, [[spoiler: Cid]] and his wife were unable to prevent the government form from using [[spoiler: Chaos']] powers for destruction. This (among other things) eventually led [[spoiler: Chaos]] to hate his "father". Later he successfully repeated the experiment and created the [[spoiler: Warrior of Light]], who's whose life took a more positive direction.
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* The original ''{{Transformers}}'' series and Marvel comic often do what humans would consider unforgivable acts of playing god. Many robots were created in moments of "We need someone to do X; let's build 'em!" Their society just sees this thing differently from humans. The things that go wrong when humans do it seldom show up - the result is usually perfectly sane ''and'' treated as an equal from day one. FridgeLogic dictates the necessity of this trope, since how else could robots reproduce? The comic even has an instance of five Autobots who allowed full copies of their data to be made, to be placed in new bodies if Optimus needed extra backup on Earth. No sign of CloningBlues, though unfortunately we don't get to meet the versions of them who are still on Cybertron.

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* The original ''{{Transformers}}'' series and Marvel comic often do what humans would consider unforgivable acts of playing god. Many robots were created in moments of "We need someone to do X; let's build 'em!" Their society just sees this thing differently from humans. The things that go wrong when humans do it seldom show up - the result is usually perfectly sane ''and'' treated as an equal from day one. Of course, before everything we knew about 'sparks' and 'protoforms' came to be, FridgeLogic dictates dictated the necessity of this trope, since how else could robots reproduce? The comic even has an instance of five Autobots who allowed full copies of their data to be made, to be placed in new bodies if Optimus needed extra backup on Earth. No sign of CloningBlues, though unfortunately we don't get to meet the versions of them who are still on Cybertron.
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* In ''TabletopGame/ArsMagica'' The nature mysteries of the Merinita and the research of the Maga Ierimyra, (in the Broken Covenant of Calebais adventure) both allow the creation of breeds of supernatural animals with intelligence and/or magical powers with no drawback to the creator aside from the effort it takes to do the job and the responsibility of having to deal with the resulting race of super animals. Also Golems can be created by Jewish Kabbalists as in folklore.

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* In ''TabletopGame/ArsMagica'' The nature mysteries of the Merinita and the research of the Maga Ierimyra, (in the Broken Covenant of Calebais adventure) both allow the creation of breeds of supernatural animals with intelligence and/or magical powers with no drawback to the creator aside from the effort it takes to do the job and the responsibility of having to deal with the resulting race of super animals. Also Golems Also, golems can be created by Jewish Kabbalists as in folklore.
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* In ''TabletopGame/ArsMagica'' The nature mysteries of the Merinita and the research of the Maga Ierimyra, (in the Broken Covenant of Calebais adventure) both allow the creation of breeds of supernatural animals with intelligence and/or magical powers with no drawback to the creator aside from the effort it takes to do the job and the responsibility of having to deal with the resulting race of super animals.

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* In ''TabletopGame/ArsMagica'' The nature mysteries of the Merinita and the research of the Maga Ierimyra, (in the Broken Covenant of Calebais adventure) both allow the creation of breeds of supernatural animals with intelligence and/or magical powers with no drawback to the creator aside from the effort it takes to do the job and the responsibility of having to deal with the resulting race of super animals. Also Golems can be created by Jewish Kabbalists as in folklore.
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* In ''TabletopGame/ArsMagica'' The nature mysteries of the Merinita and the research of the Maga Ierimyra, (in the Broken Covenant of Calebais adventure) both allow the creation of breeds of supernatural animals with intelligence and/or magical powers with no drawback to the creator aside from the effort it takes to do the job and the responsibility of having to deal with the resulting race of super animals.

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* In the MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic fanfic Fanfic/{{Ruin Value}}, [[spoiler: Celestia, Luna, and Discord were all created by the last living human scientist.]]


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* ''VideoGame/TheTalosPrinciple'' is based entirely around this; humanity is dead, and they don't yet have the technology to produce a human-like AI. So they create a program which will, in the long term, produce one via evolutionary programming.
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* In the third book of the YoungWizards series, Dairene's ordeal ends in the creation of an entire race of [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot sentient robot wizards]], [[spoiler: who then become the first species to outright reject [[{{Satan}} the Lone One's]] offer.]] Simultaneously subverts AIIsACrapshoot, [[spoiler: as they come close to making the ''spectacularly'' bad move of [[TimeStandsStill freezing the universe]] until [[AlmightyMum Dairene]] talks them out of it.]]

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In many works, CreatingLifeIsBad. An ultimate show of [[ScaleOfScientificSins scientific]] [[{{Pride}} hubris.]] Western literature has its roots in a religious tradition in which the act of creation is the turf of God Almighty. Thus, Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' not only became very influential, but also constantly interpreted through the lens of this condemning mindset.

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In many works, CreatingLifeIsBad. An ultimate show of [[ScaleOfScientificSins scientific]] [[{{Pride}} hubris.]] hubris]]. Western literature has its roots in a religious tradition in which the act of creation is the turf of God Almighty. Thus, Mary Shelley's ''Literature/{{Frankenstein}}'' not only became very influential, but also constantly interpreted through the lens of this condemning mindset.



* Snark aside, it might add perspective to remember that ordinary people of all types are [[CreatingLife creating life]] every day. The "horizontal mambo" has (often desired) consequences. The issues above of {{pride}} and [[AGodAmI playing god]] are not absent in this example, only less [[ScienceIsBad dramatized]].
* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].

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* Snark aside, it might add perspective to remember that ordinary people of all types are [[CreatingLife creating life]] CreatingLife every day. The "horizontal mambo" has (often desired) consequences. The issues above of {{pride}} and [[AGodAmI playing god]] are not absent in this example, only less [[ScienceIsBad dramatized]].
* The ultimate goal of AI research, although this might have [[Series/BattlestarGalactica1978 some]] [[{{Terminator}} undesired]] [[CrushKillDestroy consequences]].
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* In ''The Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a more complicated process than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.

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* In ''The Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons [[OurGryphonsAreDifferent gryphons]] being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a [[FantasyContraception more complicated process process]] than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.
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Since then, more and more authors have been moving away from that old trope, instead moving towards this one- either defying the Frankenstein tradition or ignoring it completely. To qualify for this trope, the created life must be good and be treated as such. Of course, it must be created by humans or similar, not by deities in the traditional sense.

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Since then, more and more authors have been moving away from that old trope, instead moving towards this one- one -- either defying the Frankenstein tradition or ignoring it completely. To qualify for this trope, the created life must be good and be treated as such. Of course, it must be created by humans or similar, not by deities in the traditional sense.
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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a weapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].

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* ''Franchise/JurassicPark'' at first plays up the idea of [[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs recreating prehistoric animals from fossilized mosquitoes]] from this angle. However, some of the characters don't agree with this. [[JeffGoldblum Ian Malcolm]] seems to believe that CreatingLifeIsBad. After his experience in the Park, Alan Grant seems to have taken up this mindset as well when we see him in ''JurassicParkIII''. However, creating life in general still comes across as pretty awesome; it's just that attempting to control that life and modify it to suit your tastes will lead to disaster. In ''Film/JurassicWorld'', the herbivorous dinosaurs and even the ''T. rex'' have been successfully contained and put on display, but the ''Indominus rex'' is created [[spoiler:as a weapon, LivingWeapon, which [[GoneHorriblyRight Goes Horribly Right]]]].
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* In ''Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a more complicated process than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.

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* In ''Black ''The Black Gryphon'', which takes place JustBeforeTheEnd, thousands of years before the ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' series, the great mage Urtho has successfully created several intelligent species, with the gryphons being his masterwork. That he must press them into war against his opposite number Ma'ar (who creates semi-intelligent monsters in imitation of Urtho) is a source of great sorrow. The gryphons are unambiguously good creatures, and Urtho's biggest mistake lies merely in failing to trust them with the secret of successful reproduction (intentionally a more complicated process than for humans), so that they may live independently of their creator.

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