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* While he loves his sons and none of them ever overthrow him, Ragnar from ''{{Series/Vikings}} '' is haunted by the thought that one day his kids could be more successful than him. Considering that his brother has betrayed him more than once in a usually-failed attempt to get more personal glory, it's perhaps borne out of a fear of betrayal.

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* ''{{Series/Vikings}}'': While he Ragnar loves his sons and none of them ever overthrow him, Ragnar from ''{{Series/Vikings}} '' he is haunted by the thought that one day his kids could be more successful than him. Considering that his brother has betrayed him more than once in a usually-failed attempt to get more personal glory, it's perhaps borne out of a fear of betrayal.
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** Cersei greatly admires her father Tywin, but she wants to supersede him anyways. At his funeral, she thinks to herself:

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** [[Characters/ASongOfIceAndFireCerseiLannister Cersei Lannister]] greatly admires her father Tywin, but she wants to supersede him anyways. At his funeral, she thinks to herself:



* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Ozai had his father Azulon assassinated in order to secure his position as the new Fire Lord.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Ozai [[Characters/AvatarTheLastAirbenderFireLordOzai Fire Lord Ozai]] had his father Azulon assassinated in order to secure his position as the new Fire Lord.
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* While he loves his sons and none of them ever overthrow him, Ragnar from ''{{Series/Vikings}} '' is haunted by the thought that one day his kids could be more successful than him. Considering that his brother has betrayed him more than once in a usually-failed attempt to get more personal glory, it's perhaps borne out of a fear of betrayal.
-->'''Ragnar:''' A man can be jealous of his sons.
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* In ''Normal'' (2007), Jordie, a recently released juvenile delinquent harbors lingering hostility towards his younger attractive stepmother Elise because she "replaced" his late mother, and is conflicted because ''he'' actually wants to take his father's place in the bedroom. He eventually begins an incestuous affair with his stepmother behind his father's back.

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* In ''Normal'' ''Film/{{Normal}}'' (2007), Jordie, a recently released juvenile delinquent harbors lingering hostility towards his younger attractive stepmother Elise because she "replaced" his late mother, and is conflicted because ''he'' actually wants to take his father's place in the bedroom. He eventually begins an incestuous affair with his stepmother behind his father's back.
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* ''VideoGame/WarcraftIII'': After finally [[FaceHeelTurn becoming evil]] and joining the [[ArmyOfTheDead Scourge]] he used to fight against, [[TheEvilPrince Arthas Menethil]] solidly establishes his new evilness by returning to his home city of Lordaeron, entering the throne chamber, and then walking up to his father [[TheGoodKing Terenas]] drawing [[EvilWeapon Frostmourne]] upon him.

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* ''VideoGame/WarcraftIII'': After finally [[FaceHeelTurn becoming evil]] and joining the [[ArmyOfTheDead [[CavalryOfTheDead Scourge]] he used to fight against, [[TheEvilPrince Arthas Menethil]] solidly establishes his new evilness by returning to his home city of Lordaeron, entering the throne chamber, and then walking up to his father [[TheGoodKing Terenas]] drawing [[EvilWeapon Frostmourne]] upon him.
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* ''Film/TheManySaintsOfNewark'': Dickie murders his father and then proceeds to sleep with his father's widow.
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* In ''Normal'' (2007), Jordie, a recently released juvenile delinquent harboring lingering hostility towards his younger attractive stepmother Elise because she "replaced" his late mother, is conflicted because he actually wants to take his father's place in the bedroom and eventually begins an incestuous affair with his stepmother.

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* In ''Normal'' (2007), Jordie, a recently released juvenile delinquent harboring harbors lingering hostility towards his younger attractive stepmother Elise because she "replaced" his late mother, and is conflicted because he ''he'' actually wants to take his father's place in the bedroom and bedroom. He eventually begins an incestuous affair with his stepmother.stepmother behind his father's back.
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* In ''Normal'' (2007), Jordie, a recently released juvenile delinquent harboring lingering hostility towards his younger attractive stepmother Elise because she "replaced" his late mother, is conflicted because he actually wants to take his father's place in the bedroom and eventually begins an incestuous affair with his stepmother.
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* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar2'': [[spoiler:Throughout the game, Zeus thinks that this trope is at work, as he's convinced that Kratos will try to kill and supplant him, [[HistoryRepeats much in the same way he did to Cronus]] (and much in the same way ''he'' did to Ouranos), due to a prophecy. So naturally his first instinct is to try and kill Kratos, then [[SelfFulfillingProphecy give him every possible reason]] to [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge seek vengeance in the most brutal way he can think of]]]].
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Upon closer investigation, the coups in Kumarbi Cycle are not between fathers and sons for the most part.


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* Myth/HittiteMythology: In the ''Literature/KumarbiCycle'', Alalu is overthrown by his son Anu, who is overthrown by his son Kumarbi, who is overthrown by his son Teshub. Some think the Greek Titanomachy was derived from this.
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* Myth/HittiteMythology: In ''Kingship In Heaven'', Alalu is overthrown by his son Anu, who is overthrown by his son Kumarbi, who is overthrown by his son Teshub. Some think the Greek Titanomachy was derived from this.

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* Myth/HittiteMythology: In ''Kingship In Heaven'', the ''Literature/KumarbiCycle'', Alalu is overthrown by his son Anu, who is overthrown by his son Kumarbi, who is overthrown by his son Teshub. Some think the Greek Titanomachy was derived from this.

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Appears in Myth/ClassicalMythology as the Titanomachy, making it at least OlderThanFeudalism.

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* Myth/HittiteMythology: In ''Kingship In Heaven'', Alalu is overthrown by his son Anu, who is overthrown by his son Kumarbi, who is overthrown by his son Teshub. Some think the Greek Titanomachy was derived from this.
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* The ''Film/GodzillaVsKong'' official novelization explicitly confirms that [[Characters/MonsterVerseRenSerizawa Ren Serizawa]] sees killing Godzilla, the very Titan his father worshipped and gave his life to save, as his way of supplanting his father.
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Appears in Myth/ClassicalMythology as the Titanomachy, making it at least OlderThanFeudalism.
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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth, Gaia, and Father Sky, Uranus, were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus freed his siblings from his father's stomach (they were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself {{Defied|Trope}} this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather did, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with a ''daughter'', Athena, at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull. The son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be, and Athena never showed any inclination toward picking up the mantel.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth, MotherNature, Gaia, and Father Sky, Uranus, were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus freed his siblings from his father's stomach (they were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself {{Defied|Trope}} this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather did, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with a ''daughter'', Athena, at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull. The son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be, and Athena never showed any inclination toward picking up the mantel.
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* ''Series/TheLordOfTheRingsTheRingsOfPower'': In the finale of Season 1, Disa tries to convince her husband, prince Durin, to usurp his father's throne.
-->'''Disa:''' ... His eyes too dim to see that no matter how many crests he hurls to the floor, one day this will be your kingdom. Durin IV's. Not your brother's. Not some other Dwarf lord's. YOURS!

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->''"A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless as that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's."''

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->''"A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless as that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… himself, and make a name even greater than his father's."''



This archetype shares some themes with both the MessianicArchetype (rebirth and renewal) and TheTrickster (out with the old, in with the new).

The supplanting part is key here. Without it, you've just got CallingTheOldManOut or HatesTheirParent -- when someone calls their parent out for his transgressions but doesn't supplant them. If the supplanting takes the form of murder, it's {{Patricide}} or {{Matricide}}. Can overlap with ArchnemesisDad and EvilMatriarch, but just as often does not. Also compare WellDoneSonGuy and WellDoneDaughterGirl -- who actually ''want'' their parent's ''approval''. Sometimes this trope occurs due to the UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex.

Overlaps with TheEvilPrince when the prince or princess kills their parent to claim their throne.

Contrast TurningIntoYourParent, when a child ends up in their parent's role unintentionally.

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This archetype shares some themes with both the MessianicArchetype (rebirth and renewal) and TheTrickster (out with the old, in with the new).

The supplanting part is
new). While it's not a ''societal'' RiteOfPassage, many characters describe personally experiencing it as a key here. Without it, you've just got CallingTheOldManOut or HatesTheirParent -- when someone calls their parent out for his transgressions but doesn't supplant them. moment in becoming an adult.

Other tropes that relate to parent-child conflict include CallingTheOldManOut, HatesTheirParent, ArchnemesisDad, EvilMatriarch, and AntagonisticOffspring.
If the supplanting it takes the form of murder, it's {{Patricide}} or {{Matricide}}. Can overlap with ArchnemesisDad and EvilMatriarch, but just as often does not. Also compare WellDoneSonGuy and WellDoneDaughterGirl -- who actually ''want'' Parent-child conflict alone, though, is not this trope. This is specifically about conflict that centers around the child trying to supersede or replace their parent's ''approval''. Sometimes this trope occurs due to the UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex.

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TheEvilPrince.

Contrast TurningIntoYourParent, when a child ends up in inhabiting their parent's role unintentionally.
unintentionally. Also contrast WellDoneSonGuy who wants their parent's approval.






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* ''ComicStrip/CalvinAndHobbes'' had a RunningGag where Calvin would present their Dad with an "opinion poll" they'd conducted of all children in the household (meaning, just Calvin), and say Dad better start addressing their concerns if he wants to keep his job as Dad. When Calvin's Dad explains that being their father isn't an elected position, and they can't be voted out no matter what the polls say, the lesson Calvin takes from this: [[ComicallyMissingThePoint "So violent revolution is the only hope for change?"]]
* ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogArchieComics'': Both Lien-Da and her brother Kragok plotted to assassinate their father Luger and secure their "birth rights" as Grandmasters of the Dark Legion. While Lien-Da would be the one to carry out said assassination, her weapon malfunctioned and exploded due to Kragok's sabotage, leaving her in a coma and allowing Kragok take the position of Grandmaster for himself.
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** In ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'', When the ailing Peter Weyland is about to meet one of the Engineers, David, one of the first androids created by Weyland-Yutani, remarks "Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?". The Engineer isn't very happy about meeting human beings and [[OffingTheOffspring murders any that he encounters]].

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** In ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'', When the ailing Peter Weyland is about to meet one of the Engineers, David, one of the first androids created by Weyland-Yutani, remarks "Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?". dead?" The Engineer isn't very happy about meeting human beings and [[OffingTheOffspring murders any that he encounters]].



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': Cersei greatly admires her father Tywin, but she wants to supplant him anyways. At his funeral, she thinks to herself:
-->''He had been a great man. I shall be greater, though. A thousand years from now, when the maesters write about this time, you shall be remembered only as Queen Cersei's sire.''

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Cersei greatly admires her father Tywin, but she wants to supplant supersede him anyways. At his funeral, she thinks to herself:
-->''He --->''He had been a great man. I shall be greater, though. A thousand years from now, when the maesters write about this time, you shall be remembered only as Queen Cersei's sire.''''
** Downplayed with Arianne Martell. She believes that her father, Prince Doran, is planning to strip her of her birthright as firstborn and give it to her younger brother Quentyn. Because of this, she plans to overthrow him by trying to crown Princess Myrcella Baratheon as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms over ''her'' younger brother Tommen, which Arianne believes will set a precedent allowing her to replace her father. However, she does not intend to harm her father or brother and plans to give them comfortable -- albeit powerless -- lives at the Water Gardens. There's also a subversion in the sense that -- on an emotional level -- this whole thing is more of a ploy to get her father's attention that it is to overthrow him.



-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father -- as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… that will shout throughout history. ''I am '''Cesare Borgia'''!''

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-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father -- as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… himself, and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… name that will shout throughout history. ''I ''[DramaticPause]'' I am '''Cesare Borgia'''!''Borgia'''!



* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself {{Defied|Trope}} this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather were, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with a ''daughter'', Athena, at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull. The son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be, and Athena never showed any inclination toward picking up the mantel.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia MotherEarth, Gaia, and FatherSky Uranus Father Sky, Uranus, were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut freed his siblings from his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who (they were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself {{Defied|Trope}} this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather were, did, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with a ''daughter'', Athena, at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull. The son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be, and Athena never showed any inclination toward picking up the mantel.


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* ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'': Rufus, the son of President Shinra and vice-president of Shinra Inc., was scheming to usurp his father and take over his company. Although by the time he shows up most of the work is already done for him, thanks to Sephiroth killing his father.
* ''VideoGame/HiFiRush'': Kale Vandalay uses [[spoiler:mind control technology]] to force his mother to step down as head of the family mega corporation and proceeds to turn it from a philanthropic, forward thinking company into a corrupt, profit-driven hellhole.
* ''VideoGame/WarcraftIII'': After finally [[FaceHeelTurn becoming evil]] and joining the [[ArmyOfTheDead Scourge]] he used to fight against, [[TheEvilPrince Arthas Menethil]] solidly establishes his new evilness by returning to his home city of Lordaeron, entering the throne chamber, and then walking up to his father [[TheGoodKing Terenas]] drawing [[EvilWeapon Frostmourne]] upon him.
-->'''King Terenas:''' [[OhCrap What is this?! What are you doing, my son?!]]\\
'''Arthas:''' [[PreMortemOneLiner Succeeding you... father!]] ''[Arthas stabs Terenas right through his chest, visible only through a ShadowDiscretionShot, and lets the dying king's bloodstained crown [[DeadHatShot roll to the floor]]]''
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* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'': Ozai had his father Azulon assassinated in order to secure his position as the new Fire Lord.
* ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'': Attea, the Princess of the Incurseans, plans on (and eventually succeeds in) usurping her father, Emperor Milleous.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheCrumpets'': Lil' One's main goal in the series is to overshadow both his father and his older siblings [[MommasBoy so he can get his mother's attention]]. Sometimes he even tries to get rid of Pa, like in the first episode "Ransoming Dad". Though by ''Teen Crumpets'' where he's OutOfFocus, his beef towards Pa seems to have gone away.
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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself {{Defied|Trope}} this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather were, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with Athena at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull, but the son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself {{Defied|Trope}} this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather were, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with Athena a ''daughter'', Athena, at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull, but the skull. The son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be.be, and Athena never showed any inclination toward picking up the mantel.
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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself [[Defied|Trope]] this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather were, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with Athena at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull, but the son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself [[Defied|Trope]] {{Defied|Trope}} this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather were, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with Athena at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull, but the son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be.
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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod.

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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod. Zeus himself [[Defied|Trope]] this with the next generation; when he was told that Metis would bear him a son that would overthrow him as his father and grandfather were, Zeus turned her into a fly and swallowed her whole. Metis was already pregnant with Athena at the time, leading to Athena being born from her father's skull, but the son who could have repeated the cycle never came to be.
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* ''Literature/ChroniclesOfTheKencyrath'': The Gnasher [[{{Patricide}} killed his own father]] to become King of the Wood, and now [[OffingTheOffspring kills his own children]] to prevent them doing the same to him.
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* ''Franchise/{{Alien}}'': This is a running theme in the last two Creator/RidleyScott-helmed films. Androids were created by humans to serve them. Humans were apparently created by the Engineers, [[{{Precursors}} an alien race with even more advanced technology]]. They are all hostile or resentful towards the next and previous generation.
** In ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'', When the ailing Peter Weyland is about to meet one of the Engineers, David, one of the first androids created by Weyland-Yutani, remarks "Doesn't everyone want their parents dead?". The Engineer isn't very happy about meeting human beings and [[OffingTheOffspring murders any that he encounters]].
** In ''Film/AlienCovenant'', David demonstrates a much darker side and clearly harbors resentment towards his flawed and mortal creator from the moment he was activated. [[spoiler:So much so that he thinks it better that humans and Engineers were all wiped out so that a SuperiorSpecies can replace them. David's open transition into an EvilutionaryBiologist further implies that he was deliberately setting up Weyland to be killed in the preceding film.]]

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->''"A son exists to glorify the life of his father--as meaningless and worthless as that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's."''
-->-- '''Cesare''', ''Series/{{Borgia}}'', [[Recap/BorgiaS1E12TheSerpentRises "The Serpent Rises"]]

This is a conflict between parent and child where the child must supplant the parent, or must extricate themself from the parent's shadow and find their own place in the world.

This archetype shares some themes with both the MessianicArchetype (rebirth and renewal) and TheTrickster (out with the old, in with the new).

The supplanting part is key here. Without it, you've just got CallingTheOldManOut or HatesTheirParent -- when someone calls their parent out for his transgressions but doesn't supplant them. If the supplanting takes the form of murder, it's {{Patricide}} or {{Matricide}}. Can overlap with ArchnemesisDad and EvilMatriarch, but just as often does not. Also compare WellDoneSonGuy and WellDoneDaughterGirl -- who actually ''want'' their parent's ''approval''. Sometimes this trope occurs due to the UsefulNotes/OedipusComplex.

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* ''Film/CrookedHouse'': Philip and Roger both harbour a deep resentment towards their father Aristide, and wish to supplant him as head of the family. For his part, Aristide took great pleasure in keeping his sons solidly under his thumb.
* ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'': Loki overthrows his father -- whom he now loathes after being disowned and nearly executed -- usurping the Asgardian throne in the process.
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* ''Literature/DollangangerSeries'': Cathy very much wants to supplant her mother Corrine--her power over men, and her poise. But the desire to be like her mother conflicts with her ''fear'' of being like her mother. The conflict is one of the most foundational things about Cathy, at the very core of her character.
* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'': Cersei greatly admires her father Tywin, but she wants to supplant him anyways. At his funeral, she thinks to herself:
-->''He had been a great man. I shall be greater, though. A thousand years from now, when the maesters write about this time, you shall be remembered only as Queen Cersei's sire.''
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* ''{{Series/Borgia}}'': Cesare spends the first season in the shadow of his father and elder brother. After his brother [[spoiler:dies]], Cesare finally has a chance to come into his own. In a LargeHam moment, he vows to supplant his father.
-->'''Cesare:''' A son exists to glorify the life of his father -- as meaningless and worthless and that life might be. But if a boy is to become a man, he must glorify himself… and make a name even greater than his father's. A name… that will shout throughout history. ''I am '''Cesare Borgia'''!''
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* Myth/ClassicalMythology: The Titanomachy is a Greek succession myth. The primordial MotherEarth Gaia and FatherSky Uranus were the parents of the Titans, the first cohort of gods. The leader of the Titans was Cronus. To become the TopGod, Cronus had seized power from his father Uranus, and castrated him for good measure. Then Cronus heard a prophesy that ''his'' son would in turn overthrow ''him''. To prevent this, he [[EatsBabies ate his 5 children]]. His wife Rhea was not a fan of her kids being treated this way. When baby #6 was born, she gave him a fake baby to eat and spirited the real baby away. That baby, Zeus, grew up in secret and then returned to overthrow his father. This DivineConflict was known as the Titanomachy. Zeus cut his father's stomach open and freed his siblings (who were [[GettingEatenIsHarmless fine in there]]) and became the new TopGod.
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