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How in the hell is that at all Moral Dissonance?


-->Imagine there's no Heaven
-->It's easy if you try
-->No hell below us
-->Above us only sky
** [[MoralDissonance Apparently, this image is supposed to be comforting: no judgment, no discrimination, no after-death torment.]] To someone who's been raised with a belief in Heaven, however, it's nothing less than NightmareFuel.

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** [[MoralDissonance Apparently, this image is supposed to be comforting: no judgment, no discrimination, no after-death torment.]] torment. To someone who's been raised with a belief in Heaven, however, it's nothing less than NightmareFuel.
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->''"Death's central horror is oblivion. The terrifying absolute dying of the light. Death has dominion because it is not only the start of nothing; it's the end of everything."''
-->-- '''Ronald Dworkin'''
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* In ''Magicthegathering'', any creature who is exiled is considered to be removed from existance, especially any token that is taken out of play. Some instant win abilities, such as Door to Nothingness, are implied to do this to the players (nigh-unstoppable, immortal mages in their own right) as well.
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*In {{Bleach}}, it's strongly implied that this trope is applied on souls eaten by Hollows and Hollows killed by Quincies.
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** [[MoralDissonance Apparently, this image is supposed to be comforting: no judgment, no discrimination, no after-death torment.]] To someone who's been raised with a belief in Heaven, however, it's nothing less than HighOctaneNightmareFuel.

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** [[MoralDissonance Apparently, this image is supposed to be comforting: no judgment, no discrimination, no after-death torment.]] To someone who's been raised with a belief in Heaven, however, it's nothing less than HighOctaneNightmareFuel.
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** [[MoralDissonance Apparently, this image is supposed to be comforting: no judgment, no discrimination, no after-death torment. To someone who's been raised with a belief in Heaven, however, it's nothing less than HighOctaneNightmareFuel.

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** [[MoralDissonance Apparently, this image is supposed to be comforting: no judgment, no discrimination, no after-death torment. ]] To someone who's been raised with a belief in Heaven, however, it's nothing less than HighOctaneNightmareFuel.
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** [[MoralDissonance Apparently, this image is supposed to be comforting: no judgment, no discrimination, no after-death torment. To someone who's been raised with a belief in Heaven, however, it's nothing less than HighOctaneNightmareFuel.

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* A later episode of ''StarTrekVoyager'' had Neelix discover, much to his horror, that there was nothing after death.
** When [[GreatGazoo Q]] spent some (involuntary) time as a human in ''StarTrekTheNextGeneration,'' he seemed particularly concerned about dying, convinced that he would simply wink out of existance. This and the above example suggest that there is no afterlife in the StarTrek universe, or that the afterlife is so mysterious even the [[SufficientlyAdvancedAlien sufficiently advanced Q]] don't know about it.
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* In a story by StanislawLem, a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ridiculously Human Robot]] called Automateusz ends up stranded on a DesertedIsland, along with his artifical friend, (called Wuch) a small, intelligent ball. After calculating that the odds of getting saved are next to nothing, Wuch advises Automateusz to commit suicide to avoid an inavitable and much more painful death, and brings up several argument for the case that CessationOfExistence is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a person.

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* In a story by StanislawLem, a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ridiculously Human Robot]] called Automateusz ends up stranded on a DesertedIsland, along with his artifical friend, (called Wuch) a small, intelligent ball. After calculating that the odds of getting saved are next to nothing, Wuch advises Automateusz to commit suicide to avoid an inavitable and much more painful death, and brings up several argument arguments for the case that CessationOfExistence is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a person.
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* If you kill a demon or devil on its home plane in ''DungeonsAndDragons'', they're gone for good. (See ''TheOrderOfTheStick'', below.)
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** Then again, Asuka came back, so...
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* In a story by StanislawLem, a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ridiculously Human Robot]] called Automateusz ends up stranded on a DesertedIsland, along with his artifical friend, called Wuch who is a small, intelligent ball. After calculating that the odds of getting saved are next to nothing, Wuch advises Automateusz to commit suicide to avoid an inavitable and much more painful death, and brings up several argument for the case that CessationOfExistence is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a person.

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* In a story by StanislawLem, a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots Ridiculously Human Robot]] called Automateusz ends up stranded on a DesertedIsland, along with his artifical friend, called Wuch who is (called Wuch) a small, intelligent ball. After calculating that the odds of getting saved are next to nothing, Wuch advises Automateusz to commit suicide to avoid an inavitable and much more painful death, and brings up several argument for the case that CessationOfExistence is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a person.
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* In a story by StanislawLem, a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots RidiculouslyHumanRobot]] called Automateusz ends up stranded on a DesertedIsland, along with his artifical friend, called Wuch who is a small, intelligent ball. After calculating that the odds of getting saved are next to nothing, Wuch advises Automateusz to commit suicide to avoid an inavitable and much more painful death, and brings up several argument for the case that CessationOfExistence is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a person.

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* In a story by StanislawLem, a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots RidiculouslyHumanRobot]] Ridiculously Human Robot]] called Automateusz ends up stranded on a DesertedIsland, along with his artifical friend, called Wuch who is a small, intelligent ball. After calculating that the odds of getting saved are next to nothing, Wuch advises Automateusz to commit suicide to avoid an inavitable and much more painful death, and brings up several argument for the case that CessationOfExistence is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a person.
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* In a story by StanislawLem, a [[RidiculouslyHumanRobots RidiculouslyHumanRobot]] called Automateusz ends up stranded on a DesertedIsland, along with his artifical friend, called Wuch who is a small, intelligent ball. After calculating that the odds of getting saved are next to nothing, Wuch advises Automateusz to commit suicide to avoid an inavitable and much more painful death, and brings up several argument for the case that CessationOfExistence is actually the greatest thing that could happen to a person.

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** This actually makes for a very weird case, although being a book that didn't originally have a sequal planned sort of allows it. In the fourth book, it's stated that where souls go depends on what they believed and the Incarnations we follow belong to the one theology. It's even outright stated that the War in that book only became War because he doesn't really believe in his own religion strongly, so he's mutable. But this also means that Death showing up for the soul at all was useless except for showing what happens to souls that don't believe in anything.




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*** We don't know that for sure. For all we know, they are remade for the old world.
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This may very well be the ''reason'' death is such a common PrimalFear, though arguably this an effect of our evolved instincts. (For humans, anyway. Flies and other such bugs, for instance, seem to have some sense of fear or panic when you swat at them, yet it would be quite a stretch to say that they can conceive of thoughts of such a complex and philosophical bent, if they even know of their mortality on a mental level at all.)

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This may very well be the ''reason'' death is such a common PrimalFear, though arguably this is an effect of our evolved instincts. (For humans, anyway. Flies and other such bugs, for instance, seem to have some sense of fear or panic when you swat at them, yet it would be quite a stretch to say that they can conceive of thoughts of such a complex and philosophical bent, if they even know of their mortality on a mental level at all.)
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** Judging by the codex he left behind in AC2, Altair appears to believe in this as well,.

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** Judging by the codex he left behind in AC2, the sequel, Altair appears to believe in this as well,.
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** Judging by the codex he left behind in AC2, Altair appears to believe in this as well,.
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* This is the fate of anyone who falls into a Time Crack in DoctorWho, during Eleven's first season.

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* This This, along with RetGone, is the fate of anyone who falls into a Time Crack in DoctorWho, during Eleven's first season.
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** WordOfGod says they cease to exist. See the explanation at BlindIdiotTranslation.

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** WordOfGod says they cease to exist. See the [[strike:rant]] explanation at BlindIdiotTranslation.
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** WordOfGod says they cease to exist. See the explanation at BlindIdiotTranslation.
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* In the ''NightWatch'' books, the {{afterlife}} is only for Others; {{muggles}} just cease to exist.

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* In the ''NightWatch'' books, the {{afterlife}} afterlife is only for Others; {{muggles}} just cease to exist.






* [[TheBeatles John Lennon]] - ''Imagine'':

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* [[TheBeatles John Lennon]] - ''Imagine'':"Imagine":
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* In {{Dragonheart}} Dragon Sean Connery says that only certain dragons get to have an afterlife, branded by the stars. The others just...disappear when they die.

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* In {{Dragonheart}} ''{{Dragonheart}}'' Dragon Sean Connery says that only certain dragons get to have an afterlife, branded by the stars. The others just...disappear when they die.
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->''For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun.''

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->''For ->''"For the living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, For for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun.''"''



->''There is nothing frightening about an eternal dreamless sleep. Surely it is better than eternal torment in Hell and eternal boredom in Heaven.''

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->''There ->''"There is nothing frightening about an eternal dreamless sleep. Surely it is better than eternal torment in Hell {{Hell}} and eternal boredom in Heaven.''{{Heaven}}."''
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* This implied to be the fate of those in NeonGenesisEvangelion who are killed before instrumentality.
* In both ''{{Dragonball}}'' and ''YuYuHakusho'', this is what happens if someone who is already dead is somehow killed. In addition, in YuYuHakusho, certain creatures can eat a person's soul and cause them to cease to exist.

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* This implied to be the fate of those in NeonGenesisEvangelion ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' who are killed before instrumentality.
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* In both ''{{Dragonball}}'' and ''YuYuHakusho'', this is what happens if someone who is already dead is somehow killed. In addition, in YuYuHakusho, ''YuYuHakusho'', certain creatures can eat a person's soul and cause them to cease to exist.
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The cessation of existence is not a lovely FluffyCloudHeaven or a boiling molten {{hell}}: you know nothing, you feel nothing, and you ''are'' nothing. If you cease to exist and are gone forever, you have no knowledge of anything, not even of your own death. In other words, permanent and total [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsciousness unconsciousness]].

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The cessation of existence is not a lovely FluffyCloudHeaven or a boiling molten {{hell}}: you know nothing, you feel nothing, and you ''are'' nothing. If you cease to exist and are gone forever, you have no knowledge of anything, not even of your own death. In other words, permanent and total [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsciousness unconsciousness]].
unconsciousness.
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The cessation of existence is not a lovely FluffyCloudHeaven or a boiling molten {{hell}}: you know nothing, you feel nothing, and you ''are'' nothing. If you cease to exist and are gone forever, you have no knowledge of anything, not even of your own death.

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The cessation of existence is not a lovely FluffyCloudHeaven or a boiling molten {{hell}}: you know nothing, you feel nothing, and you ''are'' nothing. If you cease to exist and are gone forever, you have no knowledge of anything, not even of your own death. \n In other words, permanent and total [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconsciousness unconsciousness]].
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This may very well be the ''reason'' death is such a common PrimalFear. (For humans, anyway. Flies and other such bugs, for instance, seem to have some sense of fear or panic when you swat at them, yet it would be quite a stretch to say that they can conceive of thoughts of such a complex and philosophical bent, if they even know of their mortality on a mental level at all.)

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This may very well be the ''reason'' death is such a common PrimalFear.PrimalFear, though arguably this an effect of our evolved instincts. (For humans, anyway. Flies and other such bugs, for instance, seem to have some sense of fear or panic when you swat at them, yet it would be quite a stretch to say that they can conceive of thoughts of such a complex and philosophical bent, if they even know of their mortality on a mental level at all.)
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* This is the viewpoint of the Classical Epicureans, who did not fear death, as they would not be around to experience their own, and knew that others would not suffer in an afterlife.

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