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*** Nymph precognition unveiled to [[spoiler: Daphne]] not only about Bloom and Stella's deaths, [[spoiler: but the inevitability of the matter.]] She, along with [[spoiler: Flora of all people and Galadwen]], used that knowledge to pull the strings on Trisha, Altalune, and Stacy's lives so thoroughly that the main plotline and several secondary ones happened because of them! If that doesn't scandalize you, keep in mind Altalune and Trisha (especially Trisha) suffered A LOT due to their manipulations, even to the point of getting part of their traumas because of that.
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*** Nymph precognition unveiled to [[spoiler: [[spoiler:Queen Daphne]] not only about Bloom and Stella's deaths, [[spoiler: but [[spoiler:but the inevitability of the matter.]] She, along with [[spoiler: Flora [[spoiler:Flora of all people and Galadwen]], used that knowledge to [[TwistingTheProphecy pull the strings on Trisha, Altalune, and Stacy's lives lives]] so thoroughly that the main plotline and several secondary ones happened because of them! If that doesn't scandalize you, keep in mind Altalune and Trisha (especially Trisha) suffered A LOT due to their manipulations, even to the point of getting part of their traumas because of that.
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# Are they still unquestionably painted as being "on the right side?" By virtue of the other side being worse? Whether the author is successful or not does not matter.
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# Are they still unquestionably painted by the author as being "on the right side?" By virtue of the other side being worse? Whether (Whether the author is successful audience agrees or not does not matter.
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* ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'' pretty much runs entirely on this. On one side you have a slave-holding, repressive, reactionary [[TheEmpire empire]] run by TheLegionsOfHell -- that [[BreadAndCircuses nonetheless does many]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure good things for its people]]. On the other side are the Angels, who are TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized ''at best''. And GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, "Satan" being a [[ManipulativeBastard scheming]] [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]], and "God" being a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist]] AxCrazy sociopath. And then there's the malevolent EldritchAbomination, the genocidal two-tailed android fox (and his legion of cannibalistic android clones), omnicidal AbusivePrecursors, the Metarex, and of course [[MadScientist Dr. Eggman]] just to make things even more shitty. Even several of the lighter characters are quite grey--Eric and his friends eventually resort to piracy in order to replenish their supplies. Several of the saner Angel leaders aren't clean either; Jesus holds some [[UnfortunateImplications very]]...[[DeliberateValuesDissonance questionable]] views on homosexuals, though he's depicted more sympathetically than his fellow Angels.
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* ''Fanfic/SonicXDarkChaos'' pretty much runs entirely on this. On one side you have a slave-holding, repressive, reactionary [[TheEmpire empire]] run by TheLegionsOfHell -- that [[BreadAndCircuses nonetheless does many]] [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure good things for its people]]. On the other side are the Angels, who are TheRevolutionWillNotBeCivilized ''at best''. And GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, "Satan" being a [[ManipulativeBastard scheming]] [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]], and "God" being a [[TheFundamentalist fundamentalist]] AxCrazy sociopath. And then there's the malevolent EldritchAbomination, the genocidal two-tailed android fox (and his legion of cannibalistic android clones), omnicidal AbusivePrecursors, the Metarex, and of course [[MadScientist Dr. Eggman]] just to make things even more shitty. Even several of the lighter characters are quite grey--Eric and his friends eventually resort to piracy in order to replenish their supplies. Several of the saner Angel leaders aren't clean either; Jesus holds some [[UnfortunateImplications very]]...very...[[DeliberateValuesDissonance questionable]] views on homosexuals, though he's depicted more sympathetically than his fellow Angels.
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* ''WebVideo/CanOneChangeFixAllOfRWBY'': One side of [[RoleSwapAU Ozma and Salem]]'s war wants to set off Remnant's judgement day which will spell the destruction of Remnant, for entirely selfish reasons; while the other side wants to stop that from happening via working with morally-dubious people and employing very sketchy methods.
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* The so called "Wrestling/AttitudeEra," which occurred roughly between 1995 and 2000. The trend was arguably kicked off by Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, who despite being a weaselly, self-centered, preening {{Jerkass}}, was so funny and charming as the leader of the D-Generation X faction that fans cheered for him anyway; it certainly helped that his greatest nemesis, the Canadian Wrestling/BretHart, was playing a ForeignWrestlingHeel at this time. But the TropeCodifier for the ages was undoubtedly Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin, the very epitome of the [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority rebel-as-people's-hero]]. Though Austin never truly reformed his bullying, obnoxious ways from when he was a heel, his courage and charisma won the respect of Wrestling/{{WWE}} fans far and wide.
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-faces because, as mean-spirited and under-handed as they were, the nWo were simply that much worse. Harlem Heat cheated to win the titles? Big deal, Hollywood Hogan publicly humiliated and beat down Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake - whom he ''still'' considered to be his best friend - just to prove a point to Wrestling/RicFlair before their title match, then sprayed Ric Flair in the eyes with spray paint during said match.
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-faces because, as mean-spirited and under-handed as they were, the nWo were simply that much worse. Harlem Heat cheated to win the titles? Big deal, Hollywood Hogan publicly humiliated and beat down Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake - whom he ''still'' considered to be his best friend - just to prove a point to Wrestling/RicFlair before their title match, then sprayed Ric Flair in the eyes with spray paint during said match.
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* The so called "Wrestling/AttitudeEra," which occurred roughly between 1995 and 2000. The trend was arguably kicked off by Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, who despite being a weaselly, self-centered, preening {{Jerkass}}, was so funny and charming as the leader of the D-Generation X faction (not to mention arguably the best in-ring performer in the world at the time) that fans cheered for him anyway; it certainly helped that his greatest nemesis, the Canadian Wrestling/BretHart, was playing a ForeignWrestlingHeel at this time. But the TropeCodifier for the ages was undoubtedly Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin, the very epitome of the [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority rebel-as-people's-hero]]. Though Austin never truly reformed his bullying, obnoxious ways from when he was a heel, his courage and charisma won the respect of Wrestling/{{WWE}} fans far and wide.
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-faces because, as mean-spirited and under-handed as they were, the nWo were simply that much worse. [[note]]This would create ''serious'' problems with the booking later on since the locker room was now 5-15 heels that were all part of the same faction (the nWo) and about 150 babyfaces (everyone else). In other words, it was pretty much impossible to do anything that didn't involve the nWo and get any sort of heat, which became even worse when the group splintered into two stables. However the cruiserweight division was largely unaffected by this since everyone in the group (save for [[Wrestling/SeanWaltman Syxx]], who lasted about a year before he was fired) was well over the weight limit so they didn't cross paths, and their segments were often regarded as the best part of the show, even if the announcers basically ignored them.[[/note]] Harlem Heat cheated to win the titles? Big deal, Hollywood Hogan publicly humiliated and beat down Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake - whom he ''still'' considered to be his best friend - just to prove a point to Wrestling/RicFlair before their title match, then sprayed Ric Flair in the eyes with spray paint during said match.
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-faces because, as mean-spirited and under-handed as they were, the nWo were simply that much worse.
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It is often found in fictional media that the [[BlackAndWhiteMorality protagonist/antagonist conflict]] takes the form of the [[KnightInShiningArmor shining knight]] who smells of flowers and has holy light shining from his every orifice versus the very fount of all evil who EatsBabies as a hobby and [[KickTheDog Kicks Dogs]] as a profession.
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* Historically rare in the annals of pro wrestling (except for some ValuesDissonance, such as "all-American" wrestlers [[InTheBack attacking communist Russian wrestlers from behind]] and [[DracoInLeatherPants getting cheered for it]]) until the dawn of Super World Of Sports in 1992, where the main conflict was between Revolution, a faction lead by Wrestling/GenichiroTenryu consisting of Wrestling/{{All Japan|ProWrestling}} migrants and Palaestra, a faction lead by George Takano made up of Wrestling/{{New Japan|ProWrestling}} migrants and the evil Geki Dojo "[[NonActionBigBad lead]]" by manager KY Wakamatsu. Revolution vs Palaestra was Grey vs Gray and either versus Geki Dojo was Grey vs Black.
* The so called "Wrestling/AttitudeEra," which occurred roughly between 1995 and 2000. The trend was arguably kicked off by Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, who despite being a weaselly, self-centered, preening {{Jerkass}}, was so funny and charming as the leader of the D-Generation X faction that fans cheered for him anyway; it certainly helped that his greatest nemesis, the Canadian Wrestling/BretHart, was playing an ForeignWrestlingHeel at this time. But the TropeCodifier for the ages was undoubtedly Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin, the very epitome of the [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority rebel-as-people's-hero]]. Though Austin never truly reformed his bullying, obnoxious ways from when he was a heel, his courage and charisma won the respect of Wrestling/{{WWE}} fans far and wide.
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-faces because as mean-spirited and under-handed as they were, the nWo were simply that much worse. Harlem Heat cheated to win the titles? Big deal, Hollywood Hogan publicly humiliated and beat down Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake, whom he ''still'' considered to be his best friend, just to prove a point to Wrestling/RicFlair before their title match, then sprayed Ric Flair in the eyes with spray paint during said match.
* The so called "Wrestling/AttitudeEra," which occurred roughly between 1995 and 2000. The trend was arguably kicked off by Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, who despite being a weaselly, self-centered, preening {{Jerkass}}, was so funny and charming as the leader of the D-Generation X faction that fans cheered for him anyway; it certainly helped that his greatest nemesis, the Canadian Wrestling/BretHart, was playing an ForeignWrestlingHeel at this time. But the TropeCodifier for the ages was undoubtedly Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin, the very epitome of the [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority rebel-as-people's-hero]]. Though Austin never truly reformed his bullying, obnoxious ways from when he was a heel, his courage and charisma won the respect of Wrestling/{{WWE}} fans far and wide.
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-faces because as mean-spirited and under-handed as they were, the nWo were simply that much worse. Harlem Heat cheated to win the titles? Big deal, Hollywood Hogan publicly humiliated and beat down Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake, whom he ''still'' considered to be his best friend, just to prove a point to Wrestling/RicFlair before their title match, then sprayed Ric Flair in the eyes with spray paint during said match.
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* Historically rare in the annals of pro wrestling (except for some ValuesDissonance, such as "all-American" wrestlers [[InTheBack attacking communist Russian wrestlers from behind]] and [[DracoInLeatherPants getting cheered for it]]) until the dawn of Super World Of Sports in 1992, where the main conflict was between Revolution, a Revolution (a faction lead led by Wrestling/GenichiroTenryu consisting of Wrestling/{{All Japan|ProWrestling}} migrants and Palaestra, a migrants) Palaestra (a faction lead led by George Takano made up of Wrestling/{{New Japan|ProWrestling}} migrants migrants) and the evil Geki Dojo "[[NonActionBigBad lead]]" ("[[NonActionBigBad led]]" by manager KY Wakamatsu. Wakamatsu). Revolution vs Palaestra was Grey vs Gray Gray, and either versus Geki Dojo was Grey vs Black.
* The so called "Wrestling/AttitudeEra," which occurred roughly between 1995 and 2000. The trend was arguably kicked off by Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, who despite being a weaselly, self-centered, preening {{Jerkass}}, was so funny and charming as the leader of the D-Generation X faction that fans cheered for him anyway; it certainly helped that his greatest nemesis, the Canadian Wrestling/BretHart, was playingan a ForeignWrestlingHeel at this time. But the TropeCodifier for the ages was undoubtedly Wrestling/StoneColdSteveAustin, the very epitome of the [[CoolPeopleRebelAgainstAuthority rebel-as-people's-hero]]. Though Austin never truly reformed his bullying, obnoxious ways from when he was a heel, his courage and charisma won the respect of Wrestling/{{WWE}} fans far and wide.
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-facesbecause because, as mean-spirited and under-handed as they were, the nWo were simply that much worse. Harlem Heat cheated to win the titles? Big deal, Hollywood Hogan publicly humiliated and beat down Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake, Wrestling/BrutusBeefcake - whom he ''still'' considered to be his best friend, friend - just to prove a point to Wrestling/RicFlair before their title match, then sprayed Ric Flair in the eyes with spray paint during said match.
* The so called "Wrestling/AttitudeEra," which occurred roughly between 1995 and 2000. The trend was arguably kicked off by Wrestling/ShawnMichaels, who despite being a weaselly, self-centered, preening {{Jerkass}}, was so funny and charming as the leader of the D-Generation X faction that fans cheered for him anyway; it certainly helped that his greatest nemesis, the Canadian Wrestling/BretHart, was playing
** Prior to D-Generation X, the Wrestling/{{n|ewWorldorder}}Wo initially had this effect on Nitro. Wrestlers that were previously clearly-defined heels, such as the Giant and Harlem Heat, were portrayed as almost-faces
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* The Tercias Title belt feud between Los Rabiosos and Legio in The World Wrestling League started as merely ALighterShadeOfBlack, in that while Los Rabiosos weren't arsonists, two thirds of them were still thugs who claimed to only care about money and the one who did claim to value loyalty was a {{hypocrite}} who betrayed La Rabia. But then that hypocrite was abducted and traumatized by Spectro, Kronya and Vassago, while those thugs were found to be participants [[HiddenHeartOfGold in volunteer work and charity]], making this trope come into play in time for the match with the belts on the line.
* {{Face}} does not mean "good guy" and {{heel}} does not mean "villain", even though you will occasionally see the terms being used interchangeably, even on this very wiki. A face/baby face is pretty much anyone who is regularly cheered for and heel simply means to [[FaceHeelTurn tu]][[HeelFaceTurn rn]] on the fans. It often looks like the faces are all good and heels are all bad but just as often the fan favoritism will ignore morality and pandering.
* {{Face}} does not mean "good guy" and {{heel}} does not mean "villain", even though you will occasionally see the terms being used interchangeably, even on this very wiki. A face/baby face is pretty much anyone who is regularly cheered for and heel simply means to [[FaceHeelTurn tu]][[HeelFaceTurn rn]] on the fans. It often looks like the faces are all good and heels are all bad but just as often the fan favoritism will ignore morality and pandering.
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* The Tercias Title belt feud between Los Rabiosos and Legio in The the World Wrestling League started as merely ALighterShadeOfBlack, in that while Los Rabiosos weren't arsonists, two thirds of them were still thugs who claimed to only care about money money, and the one who did claim to value loyalty was a {{hypocrite}} who betrayed La Rabia. But then that hypocrite was abducted and traumatized by Spectro, Kronya Kronya, and Vassago, while those thugs were found to be participants [[HiddenHeartOfGold in volunteer work and charity]], making this trope come into play in time for the match with the belts on the line.
* {{Face}} does not mean "good guy" and {{heel}} does not mean "villain", even though you will occasionally see the terms being used interchangeably, even on this very wiki. A face/baby face is pretty much anyone who is regularly cheeredfor for, and heel simply means to [[FaceHeelTurn tu]][[HeelFaceTurn rn]] on the fans. It often looks like the faces are all good and heels are all bad bad, but just as often the fan favoritism will ignore morality and pandering.
* {{Face}} does not mean "good guy" and {{heel}} does not mean "villain", even though you will occasionally see the terms being used interchangeably, even on this very wiki. A face/baby face is pretty much anyone who is regularly cheered
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' has many extremely shady characters as heroes, the biggest example being the unabashed petty criminal [[Characters/GravityFallsGrunkleStan Grunkle Stan]]. However, their enemy is [[spoiler: quite literally a demon.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' has many extremely shady characters as heroes, the biggest example being the unabashed petty criminal [[Characters/GravityFallsGrunkleStan Grunkle Stan]].Stan. However, their enemy is [[spoiler: quite literally a demon.]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' has many extremely shady characters as heroes, the biggest example being the unabashed petty criminal [[Characters/GravityFallsGrunkleStan Grunkle Stan]]. However, their enemy is [[spoiler: quite literally [[Characters/GravityFallsBillCipher a demon]].]]
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* ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' has many extremely shady characters as heroes, the biggest example being the unabashed petty criminal [[Characters/GravityFallsGrunkleStan Grunkle Stan]]. However, their enemy is [[spoiler: quite literally [[Characters/GravityFallsBillCipher a demon]].demon.]]
