History Main / ArrogantGodVsRagingMonster

-->'''Thor''', ''WesternAnimation/UltimateAvengers''

Compare and contrast with ForceAndFinesse, WeakButSkilled, and UnskilledButStrong; in this case, the warrior is the weaker one that relies on trickery and skill, while the berserker is the stronger one that relies purely on brute force. See also SoldierVsWarrior, TechnicianVsPerformer, and ChevalierVsRogue for other martial matchups that use the same theme.

Usually, when these two confront each other, the first has a greater variety of powers that would normally allow them to flatten any other opponent, yet the berserker is capable of catching their rival off guard by taking hits head-on and keeping the warrior on their toes with their sheer durability or velocity, or showing a level of grace and battle skill that no one would expect of a practically mindless beast. As the fight drags on, the arrogant warrior cannot fathom how such a lowly ''animal'' can be a match for them, and the berserker will get increasingly angrier at the fact that they can't just simply squish this particular nuisance like all others. At this point, they will be more of a danger to their surroundings than to each other. Because the more they both let loose, the less aware of the world around they will become, and the more apocalyptic the landscape will look.

You can expect these two to fight each other several times throughout the story, because either are too powerful as to be permanently put down by the other, or one is needed to keep the other in check and maintain the narrative balance. They may also act as a {{Foil}} for each other in plot or character-related ways. For example, you can expect the godly warrior to have an easier life. If they do not enjoy of wealth and luxury, they will at least be surrounded of allies and friends that respect and rely on them. Enjoying much prestige and fame. On the other hand, the berserking monster will suffer constant prosecution, and will have to live battling others and living from scraps, with little choice or willingnes to prevent it. They will be lonely, and if they have any friends or allies, those will be put in constant danger, or will be merely supporting the berserker out of convinience. With their levels of infamy and fearsomeness constantly increasing.

*** Every fight between the Hulk and ComicBook/TheMightyThor is basically this. While most of them end inconclusively, and the question of who is strongest is left unanswered on purpose, the sometimes arrogant Thor can't stand how the child-brained Hulk keeps on proclaiming himself to be the strongest, and neither can the Hulk stand the idea of not being able to lift Thor's hammer. While it is true Thor possesses a greater variety of powers, the Hulk's ever increasing strength through rage keeps proving to make him more than a match for Thor.

You can expect these two to fight each other several times throughout the story, because either are too powerful as to be permanently put down by the other, or one is needed to keep the other in check and maintain the narrative balance. They may also act as a {{Foil}} for each other in plot or character-related ways.

* In ''Anime/DragonBallSuperBroly'', this happens to Goku with Broly. Goku has trained for years, becoming one of the most powerful beings in the universe, testing his mettle against gods and other mighty mortals. Meanwhile, Broly's power comes naturally (in a sense givne how he's basically an unusually strong saiyan, a mutant of sorts) and when he powers up, it's done in a similar fashion through the Oozaru, so he becomes overwhelmed by emotions and rage. So at the time of confronting each other, the skilled and powerful Goku can't completely believe how Broly is giving him such a beating so easily. [[spoiler: It takes Goku and Vegeta fusing to become Gogeta and going to Super Saiyan Blue to beat Broly hard enought to calm him down. Goku gives Broly nicer living conditions for him and his friends and has developed a bond enough to call himself Kakarot to Broly.]]
* In ''LightNovel/FateZero'', Gilgamesh is by far the most powerful of the Servants invoked, and in general, of the whole Fate universe. Still, even if not capable of beating him, the anger-crazed Berserker is one of the few able to not only keep up with him, but of angering Gilgamesh enough to make him lose his cool, forcing him to open the Gate of Babylon almost entirely. Arriving to a point where Gilgamesh has to struggle to even land a hit on him, while Berserker struggles to even get near of Gilgamesh.

* ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD'': Almost an EnforcedTrope. [[ManaDrain Divine Dividing]] is the "Arrogant God", capable of stealing half the opponent's power to fuel the wielder's technical skills. [[GatheringSteam Boosted Gear]] is the "Raging Monster", doubling the holder's power every ten seconds to obvious effect. It's further reinforced in the current generation, where Divine Dividing is held by [[TheRival Vali Lucifer]], a BornWinner with enough Devil-power to fuel usually suicidal abilities with no drawback and plenty of experience as a SpiritedCompetitor[=/=]BloodKnight. Meanwhile Boosted Gear belongs to [[TheHero Issei Hyoudou]], a completely unremarkable human who couldn't even manifest his Sacred Gear until after his FirstEpisodeResurrection. \\

** First is in ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'', where Loki causes Hulk to go on a rampage on board the helicarrier, and Thor is the only one around who can fight him. It is left undetermined who would have won since Hulk's attention is eventually drawn toward a fighter jet, and he leaps out of the helicarrier. Later, while the avengers fight off the Chitauri invasion, Hulk can't resist to give Thor one final punch.
*** Whilst Thor's brother Loki doesn't fit the martial warrior part of the trope, the dialogue when he meets Hulk during the Chitauri invasion sums up the trope perfectly. Loki starts a speech with the words "Enough! You are, all of you are beneath me! I am a god you dull creature, and I will not be bullied", only to be interrupted by Hulk repeatedly smashing him against the floor saying "Puny god."

A recurring rivalry where [[TheAce an almost unbeatable warrior]] who has more than enough years of battle experience up their sleeve is pitted against [[TheBerserker a contender too angry to know who they are dealing with]], yet possesses enough power to give the former a run for their money.

* ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'': The Dinobots have this rivalry with the Constructicons. The Constructicon [[CombiningMecha gestalt Devastator]] is one of the few intelligent behemoths either faction has, and the Autobots are rightly terrified whenever he steps onto the battlefield. By comparison, the Dinobots are crude, primitive and barely tolerate being given direction from Optimus Prime. But their brute strength and resilience is what allows them to fight Devastator to a draw or beat him time and again.

* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': This trope describes the rivalry between main hero and leader of the titular Order, Roy, and his evil half-orc counterpart from the Linear Guild, Thog. Roy is an extremely skillful and intelligent warrior, having trained at "Fighter College" for years and also being an experienced and savvy adventurer. He is designed as a subversion of the typical DumbMuscle fighter PlayerCharacter which has {{Min Max}}ed all brute strength and no Intelligence while Thog is the ''embodiment'' of that stereotype. Naturally, the two absolutely ''despise'' one another. During a colosseum match between the two, Thog insults Roy for having intelligence instead of strength, questions how useful "Intelligence" can be in a fight and, at one intense moment in the fight, erupts into such an UnstoppableRage that he beats Roy almost motionless and only continues to beat him for "talking" when Roy tries to surrender. If not for the intervention of his teammates, Roy would have been killed. Fortunately for him, however, the battle spills into the lower levels of the Colosseum, where Roy uses his intelligence to trick Thog into damaging the pillars supporting the ceiling, which then crumble and crush Thog. Exhausted and bruised, but victorious, Roy screams at his fallen adversary: "THAT'S how I use my Intelligence score in combat, DUMBASS!"

* In ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', this happens to Goku with Broly. Goku has trained for years, becoming one of the most powerful beings in the universe, testing his mettle against gods and demons alike. Meanwhile, Broly's power comes naturally and has decimated galaxies, guided by his blind rage that does not let him think clearly. So at the time of confronting each other, the skilled and powerful Goku can't completely believe how Broly is giving him such a beating so easily.

You can expect these two to fight each other several times throughout the story, because either are too powerful as to be permanently put down by the other, or one is needed to keep the other in check and maintain the narrative balance.

Compare and contrast with WeakButSkilled and UnskilledButStrong; in this case, the warrior is the weaker one that relies on trickery and skill, while the berserker is the stronger one that relies purely on brute force.

!!Examples

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* In ''LightNovel/FateZero'', Gilgamesh is by far the most powerful of the Servants invoked, and in general, of the whole Fate universe. Still, even if not capable of beating him, the anger crazed Berserker is one of the few able to not only keep up with him, but of angering Gilgamesh enough to make him lose his cool, forcing him to open the Gate of Babylon almost entirely. Arriving to a point where Gilgamesh has to struggle to even land a hit on him, while Berserker struggles to even get near of Gilgamesh.
* In ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia,'' All Might is renowned as the most powerful and charismatic hero in Japan, if not the world, to the point that [[HopeBringer everyone is absolutely convinced]] that things will be alright with him around. Even as his power wanes from his injury and giving One For All to Midoriya, virtually nothing can truly stop him aside from his [[HourOfPower time limit]]. The first thing shown in the story to actually give him a challenge is the mindless Nomu, a monstrous being engineered to fight him through a combination of SuperStrength and SuperSpeed to match him blow-for-blow as well as a HealingFactor and shock absorption to NoSell his attacks. Even then, All Might manages to win a hard-fought brawl that ends with the Nomu being punted out of a massive training facility the size of an amusement park.

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*** Every fight between the Hulk and ComicBook/TheMightyThor is basically this. While most of them end inconclusively, and the question of who is strongest is left unanswered on purpose, the sometimes arrogant Thor can't stand how the child brained Hulk keeps on proclaiming himself to be the strongest, and neither can the Hulk stand the idea of not being able to lift Thor's hammer. While it is true Thor possesses a greater variety of powers, the Hulk's ever increasing strength through rage keeps proving to make him more than a match for Thor.

** ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s rivalry with telepathic SerialKiller "Mr. X". X is a master martial artist that has been practically undefeated due to his skills and low level telepathic powers, that allows for him to predict anyone's moves. Wolverine is also a great martial artist, but is more famous for his attacks of rage, while also possessing a superior healing factor, and a high tolerance to pain and damage. In their first fight, X beats Wolverine easily. But in their second Wolverine, is berserking and X can't adequately read his mind to predict his actions. In their third, Wolverine figures it out halfway through and intentionally goes berserk.

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* In ''Fanfic/NeitherABirdNorAPlaneItsDeku,'' Izuku is Kryptonian with all the [[FlyingBrick associated powers]], quickly establishing him as TheAce of Class 1-A as he effortlessly destroys every single physical test handed to him. As such, he's the only person in 1-A powerful enough to keep the raging Nomu at bay long enough for All Might to arrive. [[spoiler:Unfortunately for Izuku, he's the one whose attacks are [[NoSell shrugged off]] and he's subsequently [[NotSoInvincibleAfterAll beaten broken and bloody]] by the time All Might makes it to USJ.]]

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* ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'': The ''Thor vs Hulk'' example shows up twice:
** First is in ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', where Loki causes Hulk to go on a rampage on board the helicarrier, and Thor is the only one around who can fight him. It is left undetermined who would have won since Hulk's attention is eventually drawn toward a fighter jet, and he leaps out of the helicarrier. Later, while the avengers fight off the Chitauri invasion, Hulk can't resist to give Thor one final punch.

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* ''Videogame/BlazBlue:'' the third game introduces Azrael, a fighter with such [[SuperStrength phenomenal strength]], [[SuperToughness endurance]], and [[BloodKnight battle-lust]] that he can fight without any semblamce of technique and still knock down virtually anyone who faces him - and that's with his PowerLimiter active so that he wouldn't knock his foes out too quickly. Hakumen, a strong and skilled legendary warrior himself, chooses to not engage him in a fight. Later, Azrael runs to Kagura, an ace fighter and Colonel of the NOL; when the two fights, Kagura can get around him with his skill but he can blow through Kagura's defenses with his strength. Kagura only defeats him by [[SheatheYourSword exploiting the fact that Azrael is under a geas that stops him from hurting anyone who isn't attacking him]], allowing Kokonoe to teleport him into her special prison. In the fourth game, Azrael frees himself and he and Kagura faces off each other again; this time the latter puts a better showing, forcing Azrael to unlock more of his limiters. Thankfully Jin comes and freezes him with his sword before he can go further.

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[[folder: Western Animation]]

* In ''Anime/{{DragonBallZ}}'', this happens to Goku with Broly. Goku has trained for years, becoming one of the most powerful beings in the universe, testing his mettle against gods and demons alike. Meanwhile, Broly's power comes naturally and has decimated galaxies, guided by his blind rage that does not let him think clearly. So at the time of confronting each other, the skilled and powerful Goku can't completely believe how Broly is giving him such a beating so easily.

* Almost an EnforcedTrope in ''LightNovel/HighSchoolDXD''. [[ManaDrain Divine Dividing]] is the "Arrogant God", capable of stealing half the opponent's power to fuel the wielder's technical skills. [[GatheringSteam Boosted Gear]] is the "Raging Monster", doubling the holder's power every ten seconds to obvious effect. It's further reinforced in the current generation, where Divine Dividing is held by [[TheRival Vali Lucifer]], a BornWinner with enough Devil-power to fuel usually suicidal abilities with no drawback and plenty of experience as a SpiritedCompetitor[=/=]BloodKnight. Meanwhile Boosted Gear belongs to [[TheHero Issei Hyoudou]], a completely unremarkable human who couldn't even manifest his Sacred Gear until after his FirstEpisodeResurrection. \\

* Every fight between the Comicbook/IncredibleHulk and Comicbook/TheMightyThor is basically this. While most of them end inconclusively, and the question of who is strongest is left unanswered on purpose, the sometimes arrogant Thor can't stand how the child brained Hulk keeps on proclaiming himself to be the strongest, and neither can the Hulk stand the idea of not being able to lift Thor's hammer. While it is true Thor possesses a greater variety of powers, the Hulk's ever increasing strength through rage keeps proving to make him more than a match for Thor.
** The Hulk also gets this subverted with Zeus, TopGod of the Greek pantheon (and thus a literal arrogant god). Despite warnings from [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules Hercules]], Hulk decides to mouth off to Zeus and give him an ultimatum: help his suffering family, ''or else''. Zeus is so enraged by the insult that he converts his massive cosmic power into raw muscle just to [[BeatThemAtTheirOwnGame humiliate the Hulk with brute force]]. The result is a CurbStompBattle that leaves the Hulk broken, bloody and completely beaten.

* ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'s rivalry with telepathic SerialKiller "Mr. X". X is a master martial artist that has been practically undefeated due to his skills and low level telepathic powers, that allows for him to predict anyone's moves. Wolverine is also a great martial artist, but is more famous for his attacks of rage, while also possessing a superior healing factor, and a high tolerance to pain and damage. In their first fight, X beats Wolverine easily. But in their second Wolverine, is berserking and X can't adequately read his mind to predict his actions. In their third, Wolverine figures it out halfway through and intentionally goes berserk.

* The ''Thor vs Hulk'' example shows up twice in the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'':

* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'': This trope describes the rivalry between main hero and leader of the titular Order, Roy and his evil half-Orc counterpart from the Linear Guild, Thog. Roy is an extremely skillful and intelligent warrior, having trained at "Fighter College" for years and also being an experienced and savvy adventurer. He is designed as a subversion of the typical DumbMuscle fighter PlayerCharacter which has {{Min Max}}ed all brute strength and no Intelligence while Thog is the ''embodiment'' of that stereotype. Naturally, the two absolutely ''despise'' one-another. During a Colosseum match between the two, Thog insults Roy for having intelligence instead of strength, questions how useful "Intelligence" can be in a fight and at one intense moment in the fight, erupts into such an UnstoppableRage that he beats Roy almost motionless and only continues to beat him for "talking" when Roy tries to surrender. If not for the intervention of his teammates, Roy would have been killed. Fortunately for him, however, the battle spills into the lower levels of the Colosseum, where Roy uses his intelligence to trick Thog into damaging the pillars supporting the ceiling, which then crumble and crush Thog. Exhausted, bruised, but victorious, Roy screams at his fallen adversary: "THAT'S how I use my Intelligence score in combat, DUMBASS!!"

* The Dinobots have this rivalry with the Constructicons in ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers''. The Constructicons [[CombiningMecha gestalt Devastator]] is one of the few intelligent behemoths either faction has, and the Autobots are rightly terrified whenever he steps onto the battlefield. By comparison, the Dinobots are crude, primitive and barely tolerate being given direction from Optimus Prime. But their brute strength and resilience is what essentially allows them to fight Devastator to a draw or beat him time and again.
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