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* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'': Arataka Reigen is a famous esper who has the young Shigeo Kageyama (aka Mob) as his disciple, who has great esper powers. In reality, Arataka is a ConMan who has no powers and [[MoochingMaster only uses Mob to manage real spirits]]. Subverted since Arataka is a father figure for Shigeo, teaching him to use his powers correctly and encourage him to not use his powers against other people.

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* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'': Arataka Reigen is a famous esper who has the young Shigeo Kageyama (aka Mob) as his disciple, who has great esper powers. In reality, Arataka is a ConMan who has no powers and [[MoochingMaster only uses Mob to manage real spirits]]. Subverted since Arataka is a father figure for Shigeo, teaching him to [[ComeGreatResponsibility use his powers correctly correctly]] and encourage [[HumbleHero not think they make him to not use his powers against other people.a better person]].
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* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'': Arataka Reigen is a famous esper who has the young Shigeo Kageyama (aka Mob) as his disciple, who has great esper powers. In reality, Arataka is a ConMan who has no powers and only uses Mob to manage real spirits. Subverted since Arataka is a father figure for Shigeo, teaching him to use his powers correctly and encourage him to not use his powers against other people.

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* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'': Arataka Reigen is a famous esper who has the young Shigeo Kageyama (aka Mob) as his disciple, who has great esper powers. In reality, Arataka is a ConMan who has no powers and [[MoochingMaster only uses Mob to manage real spirits.spirits]]. Subverted since Arataka is a father figure for Shigeo, teaching him to use his powers correctly and encourage him to not use his powers against other people.

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* Interesting case in the biopic ''Film/SearchingForBobbyFischer'' - trainer Bruce Pandolfini (who was the main advisor of the film!) comes over as a {{Jerkass}} who is ultimately responsible for prodigy Josh Waitzkin resigning chess, by hammering on the fight part of chess. He has a point, but his pupil is more into fun and the clash of the personalities lets everything go south.

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* Interesting case Peter B. Parker in the biopic ''Film/SearchingForBobbyFischer'' - trainer Bruce Pandolfini (who was the main advisor of the film!) comes over as a {{Jerkass}} who ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse'' is ultimately responsible for prodigy Josh Waitzkin resigning chess, by hammering on one of these to [[KidHero the fight part of chess. He has hero, Miles Morales.]] Though he's actually a point, but his pupil is more into fun pretty accomplished Spider-Man, he sucks at teaching the skills, and the clash ultimately gives up on Miles two-thirds of the personalities lets everything go south. way through the film. The third act is then Miles trying to save the day in spite of that.
-->'''Peter B.''' Aim with your hips! Look where you want it to hit! Square your shoulders! Don't forget to follow through! Don't shoot off your back foot!
-->'''Miles:''' That's too many things!
-->'''Peter B.''' Then stop listening to me!
-->'''Miles:''' That's the best idea you've had all day!


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* Interesting case in the biopic ''Film/SearchingForBobbyFischer'' - trainer Bruce Pandolfini (who was the main advisor of the film!) comes over as a {{Jerkass}} who is ultimately responsible for prodigy Josh Waitzkin resigning chess, by hammering on the fight part of chess. He has a point, but his pupil is more into fun and the clash of personalities lets everything go south.
* ''Film/{{Whiplash}}'': Draconian music conductor Terence Fletcher turns out to be one of these for young jazz drummer Andrew Neiman, and indeed his last protege [[spoiler:who was ultimately DrivenToSuicide by him.]] In his mind, anyone who isn't capable of being great as he determines it is absolutely worthless to him and he shows no issue in breaking them completely and tossing them aside. In Andrew's case, [[spoiler:it's ultimately a subversion: Fletcher's teaching methods mean his performance at the end is practically perfect. [[BittersweetEnding However, that talent comes at the cost of basically everything in Andrew's personal life.]]]]
* ''Film/StarWarsTheLastJedi'': [[BigGood Luke Skywalker himself]] turns out to be one of these for Rey, since at this point [[CynicalMentor he's sufficiently broken by the failure of his Jedi Temple that he doesn't really want the Jedi to continue.]] Of the three lessons promised to her, they make it to two before he throws her off his island, out of fear that she'll end up [[TheDarkSide like his last pupil, Kylo Ren.]] [[CharacterDevelopment The whole thing's an important lesson for Rey, though, as she gains enough confidence in her own abilities to step up for herself.]]
* ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'': Though [[LikeASonToMe the two of them care about each other a lot,]] [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark's]] mentoring of Peter Parker in this movie ultimately comes down to ignoring his calls after [[Film/CaptainAmericaCivilWar the battle in Leipzig,]] [[YouAreNotReady repeatedly telling him to ignore the super-criminal selling alien weapons in New York City,]] and then finally taking Peter's suit away [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech with a speech thrown in for good measure]] (which nearly gets him crushed under a building). Tony at least acknowledges this during their last exchange:
-->'''Tony Stark:''' Sorry I took your suit. I mean, you had it coming. Actually, it turns out it was the perfect sort of tough-love moment that you needed, right? To urge you on, right? Wouldn’t you think? Don’t you think?
-->'''Peter:''' Yeah, yeah. I guess.
-->'''Tony Stark:''' Let's just say it was.
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* ''Literature/CradleSeries'': Lindon soon learns that no one in the Sacred Valley has any idea what they're doing. Practically ''everything'' they do to advance their sacred arts is horrendously wrong, hamstringing their own development to the point that no one in the Valley has reached Gold-stage in centuries, which the outside world considers the first stage of real sacred artists. Their cruelty towards Lindon ends up working in his favor, as they refused to teach him all these things that would have seriously crippled him.
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* Tondemon Higashi from ''Battle Club'' like Genma below is a played with example. He led Swan Academy to eight successive all-Japan championships but is shown to be SecretlySelfish and shown to be something of a JadedWashou. Kuniko Mukoda StartOfDarkness was a wrestling prodigy like his first student Ginkakuji Tamami. However he saw her as little more then a PoorMansSubstitute and never believed that she could make it. He quickly planned on replacing her upon meeting Tamami’s daughter.

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* Tondemon Higashi from ''Battle Club'' like Genma below is a played with example. He led Swan Academy to eight successive all-Japan championships but is shown to be SecretlySelfish and shown to be something of a JadedWashou.JadedWashout. Kuniko Mukoda StartOfDarkness was a wrestling prodigy like his first student Ginkakuji Tamami. However he saw her as little more then a PoorMansSubstitute and never believed that she could make it. He quickly planned on replacing her upon meeting Tamami’s daughter.
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* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'': Arataka Reigen is a famous esper who has the young Shigeo Kageyama (aka Mob) as his disciple, who has great esper powers. In reality, Arataka is a ConMan who has no powers and only uses Mob to manage real spirits. Partly subverted since Arataka is a father figure for Shigeo, teaching him to use his powers correctly and encourage him to not use his powers against other people.

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* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'': Arataka Reigen is a famous esper who has the young Shigeo Kageyama (aka Mob) as his disciple, who has great esper powers. In reality, Arataka is a ConMan who has no powers and only uses Mob to manage real spirits. Partly subverted Subverted since Arataka is a father figure for Shigeo, teaching him to use his powers correctly and encourage him to not use his powers against other people.

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* ''Series/CobraKai'': An [[Film/TheKarateKid older]] Daniel [=LaRusso=] eventually opens the Miyagi-Do dojo in order to pass on the teachings his late mentor taught him. However, in his obsession over defeating Cobra Kai once and for all, he merely teaches his students how to fight to defend themselves, failing to pass on the lessons Mr. Miyagi taught him on pacifism and how to solve problems without violence. [[spoiler:This failure greatly contributes in the disaster that is the second season finale.]]
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MoochingMaster and FairWeatherMentor are subtropes about mentors who may or may not be able to teach, but take advantage of their students either way.
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* Tondemon Higashi from ''Battle Club'' like Genma below is a played with example. He led Swan Academy to eight successive all-Japan championships but is shown to be SecretlySelfish and shown to be something of a JadedWashou. Kuniko Mukoda StartOfDarkness was a wrestling prodigy like his first student Ginkakuji Tamami. However he saw her as little more then a PoorMansSubstitute and never believed that she could make it. He quickly planned on replacing her upon meeting Tamami’s daughter.
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->"I've already mastered everything you have to teach me. But I decided to disregard all I learned from you. All your moves look retarded in addition to being completely useless in a fight. See ya loser!"

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Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this). Compare {{Sabotutor}} for those who deliberately train their pupil wrong. For characters generally giving advice for things they know nothing about, see TheBlindLeadingTheBlind. See also AntiRoleModel, when a character is presented as someone the audience should not emulate.

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Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this). Compare {{Sabotutor}} for those who deliberately train their pupil wrong. For characters generally giving advice for things they know nothing about, see TheBlindLeadingTheBlind. See also AntiRoleModel, when a character is presented as someone the audience should not emulate. \n Contrast UncertifiedExpert, where the character is actually good at what he does, but never got the training or license for it.

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Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this). For characters generally giving advice for things they know nothing about, see TheBlindLeadingTheBlind. See also AntiRoleModel, when a character is presented as someone the audience should not emulate.

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Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this). Compare {{Sabotutor}} for those who deliberately train their pupil wrong. For characters generally giving advice for things they know nothing about, see TheBlindLeadingTheBlind. See also AntiRoleModel, when a character is presented as someone the audience should not emulate.
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* ''Film/KungPow'': Master Tang to Wimp Lo. "We taught him wrong on purpose. As a joke."
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* Interesting case in the biopic ''Film/SearchingForBobbyFischer'' - trainer Bruce Pandolfini (who was the main advisor of the film!) comes over as a {{Jerkass}} who is ultimately responsible for prodigy Josh Waitzkin resigning chess, by hammering on the fight part of chess. He has a point, but his pupil is more into fun and the clash of the personalities lets everything go south.
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* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets'': A famous magician, Gilderoy Lockhart, is hired by Hogwarts school to teach the students Defense Against Dark Arts. However, when he gets to teach, it quickly becomes apparent that he's rather incompetent, while passing it off as "accidents". That he's revealed to have stolen anonymous magicians' feats in order to become famous doesn't help. This was actually {{invoked|Trope}} by Dumbledore. when questioned by staff about why he was hiring so incompetent a teacher, he said there were many things Lockhart could teach the students; how ''not'' to act, for instance.

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* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets'': A famous magician, wizard, Gilderoy Lockhart, is hired by Hogwarts school School to teach the students Defense Against the Dark Arts. However, when he gets to teach, begins teaching, it quickly becomes apparent that he's rather incompetent, while passing it his failures off as "accidents". That he's revealed to have stolen anonymous magicians' witches and wizards' feats in order to become famous doesn't help. This was actually {{invoked|Trope}} by Dumbledore. the headmaster, Dumbledore: when questioned by staff about why he was hiring so incompetent a teacher, he said there were many things Lockhart could teach the students; how ''not'' to act, for instance.
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* ''VideoGame/WingCommander4'': Reckless veteran Maniac teaches rookie Catscratch some flight maneuvers. catscratch almost gets shot down trying them out in his next mission, and you have to choose whether to complete your own mission or rescue the rookie.

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* On ''WesternAnimation/BigMouth'' pretty much every Hormone Monster depicted so far is one of these. While they encourage sexual activity, they also tend to try to push their kids to become juvenile delinquents. Nick, Andrew and Jessi in particular are prone to complaining that their Hormone Monsters are more of a hindrance than a help.
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* ''VideoGame/Portal2'': Wheatley tries to give Chell whatever advice he can throughout their time together, but his advice is always terrible. [[spoiler:Figures since he was literally designed to be a moron]].
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Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this). For characters generally giving advice for things they know nothing about, see TheBlindLeadingTheBlind.

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Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this). For characters generally giving advice for things they know nothing about, see TheBlindLeadingTheBlind.
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* In ''Manga/CellsAtWork'', Red Blood Cell ([=AE3803=]) is given a Kohai Red Blood Cell to look after and mentor. Only [=AE3803=] is the resident CuteClumsyGirl with NoSenseOfDirection and gets [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny easily distracted]], while her kohai is disciplined and serious about the job. [=AE3803=] herself lampshades she's a terrible senpai and even apologises to her kohai. Though to her credit, what she lacks in competence, [=AE3803=] makes up in [[{{Determinator}} determination]], continuing to deliver oxygen even during the DarkestHour and vowing to keep going to the very end. It is this undying determination that does inspire her kohai.

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* In ''Manga/CellsAtWork'', Red Blood Cell ([=AE3803=]) is given a Kohai Red Blood Cell to look after and mentor. Only [=AE3803=] is the resident CuteClumsyGirl with NoSenseOfDirection and gets [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny easily distracted]], while her kohai is disciplined and serious about the job. [=AE3803=] herself lampshades she's a terrible senpai and even apologises apologizes to her kohai. Though to her credit, what she lacks in competence, [=AE3803=] makes up in [[{{Determinator}} determination]], continuing to deliver oxygen even during the DarkestHour and vowing to keep going to the very end. It is this undying determination that does inspire her kohai.



** Happosai, the grandmaster of Anything Goes Martial Arts. While a very formidable martial artist, he's a terrible teacher who makes Genma look proficient in comparison. All of the flashbacks of him with Soun and Genma show him [[MoochingMaster forcing his students to steal food and underwear for him]], rather than teaching them any proper martial arts. When he returns in the present and takes Ranma in as his student, he also adds in groping Ranma-chan's breasts and making her wear girly outfits. It's little surprise all his students try to get rid of him and at times attempt to murder him whenever given the chance.

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** Happosai, Happōsai, the grandmaster of Anything Goes Martial Arts. While a very formidable martial artist, he's a terrible teacher who makes Genma look proficient in comparison. All of the flashbacks of him with Soun Sōun and Genma show him [[MoochingMaster forcing his students to steal food and underwear for him]], rather than teaching them any proper martial arts. When he returns in the present and takes Ranma in as his student, he also adds in groping Ranma-chan's breasts and making her wear girly outfits. It's little surprise all his students try to get rid of him and at times attempt to murder him whenever given the chance.



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* One episode of ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' has Carly turn to Spencer for art lessons after being unable to even draw a decent looking rabbit. Despite being a talented artist, his mentoring included tactics such as waking her up in the middle of the night to draw his foot (which was covered in a sticky green substance), making her draw hobos in the park, and a lecture on the history of the color yellow. Carly gets fed up and leaves for a different art teacher, however she turns out to not be much better as she only got so far as teaching the class to make straight and unconnected lines before Spencer calls her out on being uncreative.

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* One episode of ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' ''Series/ICarly'' has Carly turn to Spencer for art lessons after being unable to even draw a decent looking rabbit. Despite being a talented artist, his mentoring included tactics such as waking her up in the middle of the night to draw his foot (which was covered in a sticky green substance), making her draw hobos in the park, and a lecture on the history of the color yellow. Carly gets fed up and leaves for a different art teacher, however she turns out to not be much better as she only got so far as teaching the class to make straight and unconnected lines before Spencer calls her out on being uncreative.



** In "Guide To Shyness", Cookie decides to teach a bunch of shy students how to have "Cookie Confidence". He makes them to a lot of insane things he himself did, like slam-dunk a basket ball using a gigantic overpowered trampoline, use a mop-bucket slingshot, and dig tunnels through the school. Eventually, his student get fed up and turn against him when he tries to make the fight a psychopath, ironically displaying the very confidence he'd worked to teach them in telling him off.

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** In "Guide To to Shyness", Cookie decides to teach a bunch of shy students how to have "Cookie Confidence". He makes them to a lot of insane things he himself did, like slam-dunk a basket ball using a gigantic overpowered trampoline, use a mop-bucket slingshot, and dig tunnels through the school. Eventually, his student get fed up and turn against him when he tries to make the fight a psychopath, ironically displaying the very confidence he'd worked to teach them in telling him off.



* ''VideoGame/PunchOut'': Glass Joe is known for being the worst boxer in the franchise. That being said, he's the one who trained Gabby Jay from ''Super Punch Out'' how to box. Gabby Jay's only win is against his own mentor, and his record ends up being about the same.

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* ''VideoGame/PunchOut'': Glass Joe is known for being the worst boxer in the franchise. That being said, he's the one who trained Gabby Jay from ''Super Punch Out'' Punch-Out!!'' how to box. Gabby Jay's only win is against his own mentor, and his record ends up being about the same.



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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': Applejack and Rainbow Dash serve as this in the episode "Non-Compete Clause". While normally good teachers, their competitive nature makes them unable to teach the students the lessons on cooperation as they end up constantly arguing with one another instead. In the end though, it works out with the students assuming they showing them what cooperation isn't in order to give them the idea of what it is. Twilight was able to figure out the truth, and it shows that in the end, the two don't get any better.

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': Applejack and Rainbow Dash serve as this in the episode "Non-Compete Clause". While normally good teachers, their [[CompetitionFreak competitive nature nature]] makes them unable to teach the students the lessons on cooperation as they end up constantly arguing with one another instead. In the end though, it works out with the students assuming they showing them what cooperation isn't in order to give them the idea of what it is. Twilight was able to figure out the truth, and it shows that in the end, the two don't get any better.
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* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets'': A famous magician, Gilderoy Lockhart, is hired by Hogwarts school to teach the students Defense Against Dark Arts. However, when he gets to teach, it quickly becomes apparent that he's rather incompetent, while passing it off as "accidents". That he's revealed to have stolen all of anonymous magicians' feats in order to become famous doesn't help. This was actually {{invoked|Trope}} by Dumbledore. when questioned by staff about why he was hiring so incompetent a teacher, he said there were many things Lockhart could teach the students; how ''not'' to act, for instance.

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* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets'': A famous magician, Gilderoy Lockhart, is hired by Hogwarts school to teach the students Defense Against Dark Arts. However, when he gets to teach, it quickly becomes apparent that he's rather incompetent, while passing it off as "accidents". That he's revealed to have stolen all of anonymous magicians' feats in order to become famous doesn't help. This was actually {{invoked|Trope}} by Dumbledore. when questioned by staff about why he was hiring so incompetent a teacher, he said there were many things Lockhart could teach the students; how ''not'' to act, for instance.
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Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this).

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** Ranma's father Genma is a played with example. Most of the time he is actually a very competent teacher of martial arts who does know how to instruct and motivate (although he is a jerk, morally speaking); albeit in a sink or swim, spartan way, style. However, there is the case of the "Cat Fist" technique which was a fiasco that left Ranma mentally traumatised for life and where he didn't bother reading the full manual on how to teach that technique which warned that it was dangerous and stupid.
** Happosai, the grandmaster of Anything Goes Martial Arts. While a very formidable martial artist, he's a terrible teacher who makes Genma look proficient in comparison. All of the flashbacks of him with Soun and Genma show him [[BadBoss forcing his students to steal food and underwear for him]], rather than teaching them any proper martial arts. When he returns in the present and takes Ranma in as his student, he also adds in groping Ranma-chan's breasts and making her wear girly outfits. It's little surprise all his students try to get rid of him and at times attempt to murder him whenever given the chance.

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** Ranma's father Genma is a played with example. Most of the time he is actually a very competent teacher of martial arts who does know how to instruct and motivate (although he is motivate, although quite a SinkOrSwimMentor (and generally a jerk, morally speaking); albeit in a sink or swim, spartan way, style. speaking). However, there is the case of his attempt to teach the "Cat Fist" technique which was a fiasco that left Ranma mentally traumatised traumatized for life and where he life, because Genma didn't [[StoppedReadingTooSoon bother reading the full manual manual]] on how to teach that technique which warned that it was dangerous and stupid.
** Happosai, the grandmaster of Anything Goes Martial Arts. While a very formidable martial artist, he's a terrible teacher who makes Genma look proficient in comparison. All of the flashbacks of him with Soun and Genma show him [[BadBoss [[MoochingMaster forcing his students to steal food and underwear for him]], rather than teaching them any proper martial arts. When he returns in the present and takes Ranma in as his student, he also adds in groping Ranma-chan's breasts and making her wear girly outfits. It's little surprise all his students try to get rid of him and at times attempt to murder him whenever given the chance.
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In some cases, their student will be well aware of how bad they are and simply attend their lessons out of pity. Others will be honest and tell them how bad they are. Then there are those students who will think they are being great teachers by showing them what not to do.

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* Master Tang to Wimp Lo. "We taught him wrong on purpose. As a joke."

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* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets'': A famous magician, Gilderoy Lockhart, is hired by Hogwarts school to teach the students Defense Against Dark Arts. However, when he gets to teach, it quickly becomes apparent that he's rather incompetent, while passing it off as "accidents". That he's revealed to have stolen all of anonymous magicians' feats in order to become famous doesn't help. This was actually {{invoked|Trope}} by Dumbledore. when questioned by staff about why he was hiring so incompetent a teacher, he said there were many things Lockhart could teach the students; how ''not'' to act, for instance.


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->"I've already mastered everything you have to teach me. But I decided to disregard all I learned from you. All your moves look retarded in addition to being completely useless in a fight. See ya loser!"
-->-- '''A letter Dan received from Sakura''', ''VideoGame/SuperGemFighter''

When training, you want to be taught by the very best. They will show you the way. These mentors claim to be among the best. However, take the lessons of these guys to heart, and you will most likely regret it.

These guys think they are great at what they do and decide to train others in their ways. However, they are more often than not the worst at the very things they teach, and thus training with them could be considered anti-training.

In some cases, their student will be well aware of how bad they are and simply attend their lessons out of pity. Others will be honest and tell them how bad they are. Then there are those students who will think they are being great teachers by showing them what not to do.

Alternatively, the teacher may actually be good at what it is that they are teaching but terrible at teaching it. In these cases, they just don't know how to get their lessons across.

A common subversion of this is when the mentor (usually an EccentricMentor) gives a lesson that seems outlandish (like WaxOnWaxOff), but said lesson becomes useful later, especially to better understand the ''real'' lessons.

It's not so hard for the student to [[SurpassedTheTeacher surpass the teacher]] here, because the teacher had so little to surpass.

Compare ObsoleteMentor, who can do what they teach and are capable of teaching, but they are a bit behind in how it works. Compare MorePoweredProtege, in which the disciple has more powers than the mentor (and sometimes overlaps with this).

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!!Examples

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[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
* In ''Manga/CellsAtWork'', Red Blood Cell ([=AE3803=]) is given a Kohai Red Blood Cell to look after and mentor. Only [=AE3803=] is the resident CuteClumsyGirl with NoSenseOfDirection and gets [[AttentionDeficitOohShiny easily distracted]], while her kohai is disciplined and serious about the job. [=AE3803=] herself lampshades she's a terrible senpai and even apologises to her kohai. Though to her credit, what she lacks in competence, [=AE3803=] makes up in [[{{Determinator}} determination]], continuing to deliver oxygen even during the DarkestHour and vowing to keep going to the very end. It is this undying determination that does inspire her kohai.
* ''Manga/MobPsycho100'': Arataka Reigen is a famous esper who has the young Shigeo Kageyama (aka Mob) as his disciple, who has great esper powers. In reality, Arataka is a ConMan who has no powers and only uses Mob to manage real spirits. Partly subverted since Arataka is a father figure for Shigeo, teaching him to use his powers correctly and encourage him to not use his powers against other people.
* ''Manga/RanmaOneHalf'':
** Ranma's father Genma is a played with example. Most of the time he is actually a very competent teacher of martial arts who does know how to instruct and motivate (although he is a jerk, morally speaking); albeit in a sink or swim, spartan way, style. However, there is the case of the "Cat Fist" technique which was a fiasco that left Ranma mentally traumatised for life and where he didn't bother reading the full manual on how to teach that technique which warned that it was dangerous and stupid.
** Happosai, the grandmaster of Anything Goes Martial Arts. While a very formidable martial artist, he's a terrible teacher who makes Genma look proficient in comparison. All of the flashbacks of him with Soun and Genma show him [[BadBoss forcing his students to steal food and underwear for him]], rather than teaching them any proper martial arts. When he returns in the present and takes Ranma in as his student, he also adds in groping Ranma-chan's breasts and making her wear girly outfits. It's little surprise all his students try to get rid of him and at times attempt to murder him whenever given the chance.
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[[folder:Literature]]
* ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheChamberOfSecrets'': A famous magician, Gilderoy Lockhart, is hired by Hogwarts school to teach the students Defense Against Dark Arts. However, when he gets to teach, it quickly becomes apparent that he's rather incompetent, while passing it off as "accidents". That he's revealed to have stolen all of anonymous magicians' feats in order to become famous doesn't help. This was actually {{invoked|Trope}} by Dumbledore. when questioned by staff about why he was hiring so incompetent a teacher, he said there were many things Lockhart could teach the students; how ''not'' to act, for instance.
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[[folder:Live-Action TV]]
* ''Series/BigTimeRush'': In "Big Time School of Rocque", Gustavo creates a school in the studio for the band to go to instead of the Palm Woods school like everyone else. Every teacher he hires for the boys end up flawed, such as a temperamental and nervous man who quit to be come a "Man Band" in Germany, and ''Wrestling/{{WWE}}'' wrestler Chris "The Masterpiece" Masters, who made them spend their time exercising through desk lifts.
* One episode of ''Series/{{iCarly}}'' has Carly turn to Spencer for art lessons after being unable to even draw a decent looking rabbit. Despite being a talented artist, his mentoring included tactics such as waking her up in the middle of the night to draw his foot (which was covered in a sticky green substance), making her draw hobos in the park, and a lecture on the history of the color yellow. Carly gets fed up and leaves for a different art teacher, however she turns out to not be much better as she only got so far as teaching the class to make straight and unconnected lines before Spencer calls her out on being uncreative.
* ''Series/NedsDeclassifiedSchoolSurvivalGuide'':
** In "Guide To Shyness", Cookie decides to teach a bunch of shy students how to have "Cookie Confidence". He makes them to a lot of insane things he himself did, like slam-dunk a basket ball using a gigantic overpowered trampoline, use a mop-bucket slingshot, and dig tunnels through the school. Eventually, his student get fed up and turn against him when he tries to make the fight a psychopath, ironically displaying the very confidence he'd worked to teach them in telling him off.
** "Guide to Tutors" has Ned dealing with multiple bad tutors. One is a loudmouthed NerdyBully; One is a MotorMouth who can't stay focused; And one is a JerkJock who is willing to just give Ned the answer for a date with his friend Moze. Eventually, his science teacher Mr. Sweeney is the one to be Ned's tutor once Ned expressed his problems. Meanwhile, Mose herself was mentoring a class of fifth graders. Despite being a good teacher, she failed to teach her class anything because they were [[DistractedByTheSexy so attracted to her]]. She could only get them to learn by making herself hideously ugly.
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[[folder:Video Games]]
* ''VideoGame/PunchOut'': Glass Joe is known for being the worst boxer in the franchise. That being said, he's the one who trained Gabby Jay from ''Super Punch Out'' how to box. Gabby Jay's only win is against his own mentor, and his record ends up being about the same.
* ''VideoGame/StreetFighter'': Dan Hibiki serves as a fighting mentor for Sakura and Blanka. However, both of his students are much better fighters than he is, and Sakura even tells him that his fighting style sucks in ''VideoGame/PocketFighter''.
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[[folder:Web Video]]
* ''WebVideo/DontHugMeImScared'': The "teachers" of each episode attempt to teach the main characters about something they should in theory know tons about, like a computer teaching, well, about computers. However, these lessons never teach the characters anything, are full of inconsistencies, poor logic and BlatantLies, and succeed only in scaring or manipulating the characters into following their personal agenda. In some cases, such as "Creativity", they are actually taught ''not'' to be creative and punished when showing actual creative ability.
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[[folder:Western Animation]]
* ''WesternAnimation/EarthwormJim'': In one episode, Jim finds a sword the claims to be a legendary sword wielded by great heroes and offers to teach Jim how to be one. Near the end of the episode however, the sword admits that nobody that ever wielded him ever won a fight. Finding this out, Jim immediately discards the sword.
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': Applejack and Rainbow Dash serve as this in the episode "Non-Compete Clause". While normally good teachers, their competitive nature makes them unable to teach the students the lessons on cooperation as they end up constantly arguing with one another instead. In the end though, it works out with the students assuming they showing them what cooperation isn't in order to give them the idea of what it is. Twilight was able to figure out the truth, and it shows that in the end, the two don't get any better.
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!! Indexes: MentorIndex, Administrivia/NoRealLifeExamplesPlease, IndexFailure, CharacterFlawIndex, IndexMyopia

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