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->''"How the smeg can a man be a hero in one reality and a villain in the next, for doing exactly the same things?"''
-->-- '''Lister''', ''RedDwarf''
-->-- '''Lister''', ''RedDwarf''
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This quote doesn\'t appear in the series, to my knoledge.
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** Sometimes written by the victors, but not always. A rather alarming case was after the American Civil War, where the dominant histories of the war were often written by ''Southerners'' rather than the winning Northerners. Naturally, these Southerners were quite bitter about the Confederacy's defeat, and did everything they could to glorify the "Lost Cause." It was years before they were seriously challenged, and in the meantime, pro-Confederate propagandizing resulted in a novel that was later turned into a book: GoneWithTheWind.
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* According to the Qur'an, the Virgin Mary was a single mom (but still a virgin), and Jesus uttered the whole [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech "first stone" speech]] at a few days old, in the defense of his mother, and not the unnamed woman caught in adultery.
* God in TheBible. While it is common Christian dogma that God is a God of love and is all-caring, the Book of Job, in which God screws over an innocent man's life over ''a bet'', can be seen as evidence otherwise.
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* According to the Qur'an, the Virgin Mary was a single mom (but still a virgin), and Jesus uttered the whole [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech "first stone" speech]] at a few days old, in the defense of his mother, and not the unnamed woman caught in adultery.
* God in TheBible. While it is common Christian dogma that God is a God of love and is all-caring, the Book of Job, in which God screws over an innocent man's life over ''a bet'', can be seen as evidence otherwise.
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* According to the Qur'an, the Virgin Mary was a single mom (but still a virgin), and Jesus uttered the whole [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech "first stone" speech]] at a few days old, in the defense of his mother, and not the unnamed woman caught in adultery.
* God in TheBible. While it is common Christian dogma that God is a God of love and is all-caring, the Book of Job, in which God screws over an innocent man's life over ''a bet'', can be seen as evidence otherwise.
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* According to the Qur'an, the Virgin Mary was a single mom (but still a virgin), and Jesus uttered the whole [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech "first stone" speech]] at a few days old, in the defense of his mother, and not the unnamed woman caught in adultery.
* God in TheBible. While it is common Christian dogma that God is a God of love and is all-caring, the Book of Job, in which God screws over an innocent man's life over ''a bet'', can be seen as evidence otherwise.
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* According to the Qur'an, the Virgin Mary was a single mom (but still a virgin), and Jesus uttered the whole [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech "first stone" speech]] at a few days old, in the defense of his mother, and not the unnamed woman caught in adultery.
* God in TheBible. While it is common Christian dogma that God is a God of love and is all-caring, the Book of Job, in which God screws over an innocent man's life over ''a bet'', can be seen as evidence otherwise.
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Overt bias.
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** Likewise, was the Seddie arc on iCarly a case of PanderingToTheBase or a measure of how disastrous the show would turn out if the two had been together?
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** After all - history ''is'' written by the victors.
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** Likewise, was the Seddie arc on iCarly a case of PanderingToTheBase or a measure of how disastrous the show would turn out if the two had been together?* [[http://www.thenation.com/article/why-dubya-cant-read Christopher Hitchens posits]] that the reason GeorgeWBush uses his famous "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism Bushisms]]" is because he is dyslexic, not stupid. On the third hand, it's always possible that he could be both...
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** Likewise, was the Seddie arc on iCarly a case of PanderingToTheBase or a measure of how disastrous the show would turn out if the two had been together?* together?
* [[http://www.thenation.com/article/why-dubya-cant-read Christopher Hitchens posits]] that the reason GeorgeWBush uses his famous "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism Bushisms]]" is because he is dyslexic, not stupid. On the third hand, it's always possible that he could be both...
* [[http://www.thenation.com/article/why-dubya-cant-read Christopher Hitchens posits]] that the reason GeorgeWBush uses his famous "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism Bushisms]]" is because he is dyslexic, not stupid. On the third hand, it's always possible that he could be both...
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** Likewise, is he just a flat-out TeasingCreator when it comes to the Seddie shippers?
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* [[http://www.thenation.com/article/why-dubya-cant-read Christopher Hitchens posits]] that the reason GeorgeWBush uses his famous "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism Bushisms]]" is because he is dyslexic, not stupid. On the third hand, it's always possible that he could be both...
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* [[http://www.thenation.com/article/why-dubya-cant-read Christopher Hitchens posits]] that the reason GeorgeWBush uses his famous "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism Bushisms]]" is because he is dyslexic, not stupid.
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* [[http://www.thenation.com/article/why-dubya-cant-read Christopher Hitchens posits]] that the reason GeorgeWBush uses his famous "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism Bushisms]]" is because he is dyslexic, not stupid. On the third hand, it's always possible that he could be both...
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* The academic discipline of history '''is''' this trope applied to real life. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment No specific examples, please]].
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* [[http://www.thenation.com/article/why-dubya-cant-read Christopher Hitchens posits]] that the reason GeorgeWBush uses his famous "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushism Bushisms]]" is because he is dyslexic, not stupid.
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On the other hand, if the fans [[FanonDiscontinuity disregard the facts]] [[FanDumb or make up new ones]], they can become FanWank of the [[EpilepticTrees most horrifying variety]]. This can become canon if fans start RunningTheAsylum.
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On the other hand, if the fans [[FanonDiscontinuity disregard the facts]] [[FanDumb facts or make up new ones]], they can become FanWank of the [[EpilepticTrees most horrifying variety]]. This can become canon if fans start RunningTheAsylum.
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->''How the smeg can a man be a hero in one reality and a villain in the next, for doing exactly the same things?''\\
-- '''Lister''', ''RedDwarf season 7, Tikka To Ride.''
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* Has CharlieSheen [[TookALevelInJerkass gone over the top in rudeness]] and [[CloudCuckooLander lost his mind]]? Does he have some brilliant plan in mind that nobody has figured out yet? Many theories have surfaced as to what he really has in consideration.
* Is DanSchneider uncaring about the negative reception that critics and some of his fans have brought about on ''{{Victorious}}'' and only caring about its success or has he been worried about the show's ratings lately, and trying to do what he can to cater to ''{{iCarly}}'' fans and their complaints?
** Likewise, is he just a flat-out TeasingCreator when it comes to the Seddie shippers?
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Sometimes, writers rely on this for {{subtext}} and to keep as broad a fandom as they can. This is particularly common in long running {{Doorstopper}} epic series full of intrigue and deception, such as the not yet finished ASongOfIceAndFire / GameOfThrones. Keep it up too long, though, and you'll have to give some indication one way or another and risk alienating a group. If you can make a solid case for Alternative ''Story'' Interpretation, you have a strong case of {{Applicability}}.
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Sometimes, writers rely on this for {{subtext}} and to keep as broad a fandom as they can. This is particularly common in long running {{Doorstopper}} epic series full of intrigue and deception, such as the not yet finished ASongOfIceAndFire / GameOfThrones.as-yet unfinished ''ASongOfIceAndFire''. Keep it up too long, though, and you'll have to give some indication one way or another and risk alienating a group. If you can make a solid case for Alternative ''Story'' Interpretation, you have a strong case of {{Applicability}}.
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On the other hand, if the fans [[FanDumb disregard the facts or make up new ones]], they can become FanWank of the [[EpilepticTrees most horrifying variety]]. This can become canon if fans start RunningTheAsylum.
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->"Bards were expected to end their tales with; 'everyone thought him a hero-except for that one guy in his hometown who always thought him a liar'"
-->--DiscWorld
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->''What kind of a topsy-turvy world is this, where heroes are cast as villains, brave men as cowards?''\\
-- '''George Costanza''', ''{{Seinfeld}}, Episode 20 Season 5, The Fire.''
-- '''George Costanza''', ''{{Seinfeld}}, Episode 20 Season 5, The Fire.''
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See also PerspectiveFlip, SatanIsGood, GodIsEvil, DependingOnTheWriter. See MisaimedFandom for when an alternative interpretation becomes popular, much to the chagrin of the writers. If you want to play with it yourself, have a look at DarthWiki/PaintTheHeroBlack and SugarWiki/VillainWhitewashingService.
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AlternateAesopInterpretation is a sister trope that applies to morals instead of character motivations. See also PerspectiveFlip, SatanIsGood, GodIsEvil, DependingOnTheWriter. See MisaimedFandom for when an alternative interpretation becomes popular, much to the chagrin of the writers. If you want to play with it yourself, have a look at DarthWiki/PaintTheHeroBlack and SugarWiki/VillainWhitewashingService.
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->''How the smeg can a man be a hero in one reality and a villain in the next, for doing exactly the same things?''
-->-- '''Lister''', ''RedDwarf season 7, Tikka To Ride.''
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-->-- '''George Costanza''', ''{{Seinfeld}}, Episode 20 Season 5, The Fire.''
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-->-- '''Lister''', ''RedDwarf season 7, Tikka To Ride.''
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