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* Possibly the worldview in older Abrahamic texts; the ''Literature/BookOfJob'' (thought to be the oldest written) describes a council of Heavenly beings, with YHWH being the one at the top seat.
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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'': ''Basic D&D'' Immortals rules. The Immortals are the ''BD&D'' equivalent of deities. The Old Ones are a group of extremely powerful beings who are to the Immortals as the Immortals are to mortals. If someone becomes an Immortal and reaches the highest level of Immortality twice, they can join the Old Ones.
* The city of Sigil in ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' still stands because the entity known as [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast The Lady of Pain]] maintains the status quo. The city is barred to gods, and the last time the god Aoskar tried to usurp Sigil (which means he's at his most powerful, being the god of doors in a city of doors, and every citizen prayed his name as they are about to enter a portal), she annihilated Aoskar and his followers across the multiverse, in an instant, which is something that not even a god is capable of doing to mortals.
* The city of Sigil in ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' still stands because the entity known as [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast The Lady of Pain]] maintains the status quo. The city is barred to gods, and the last time the god Aoskar tried to usurp Sigil (which means he's at his most powerful, being the god of doors in a city of doors, and every citizen prayed his name as they are about to enter a portal), she annihilated Aoskar and his followers across the multiverse, in an instant, which is something that not even a god is capable of doing to mortals.
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* ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'': ''Basic D&D'' Immortals rules. ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''
** ''TabletopGame/{{Mystara}}'' The Immortals are the ''BD&D'' equivalent of deities. The Old Ones are a group of extremely powerful beings who are to the Immortals as the Immortals are to mortals. If someone becomes an Immortal and reaches the highest level of Immortality twice, they can join the Old Ones.
* ** The city of Sigil in ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' still stands because the entity known as [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast The Lady of Pain]] maintains the status quo. The city is barred to gods, and the last time the god Aoskar tried to usurp Sigil (which means he's at his most powerful, being the god of doors in a city of doors, and every citizen prayed his name as they are about to enter a portal), she annihilated Aoskar and his followers across the multiverse, in an instant, which is something that not even a god is capable of doing to mortals.mortals.
** ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms has Ao, the overgod. He exists to keep the other deities in check, and is too powerful to care for the likes of mortals. It is because of him that the normal deities of the Forgotten Realms [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly need prayer and worship to survive.]]
** The ''[[Characters/DungeonsAndDragonsElderEvils Elder Evils]]'' sourcebook introduces Pandorym and Atropus. Pandorym is an EldritchAbomination that was summoned long ago by wizards as a deterrent to threaten the gods. Pandorym was sealed away, but he aches to escape so he can slaughter the entire divine pantheon. Atropus, on the other hand, is either the rotting remnants of the creator of the universe, the last deity created by Ao, or a long dead primordial of immeasurable power. Either way, he resembles a gigantic moon that annihilates the life of entire planets and cannot be permanently stopped, even by a deity.
** In TabletopGame/GrimHollow, the gods are dead. What killed them? They picked a war with the [[EldritchAbomination Aether]] [[UnseenEvil Kindred.]]
** Taken up to 11 with ''The Immortals Handbook: Epic Bestiary'', a third party handbook for 3.5e that focuses on content for epic level parties. And by content for epic level parties, I mean that this book contains a handful of monsters that make the gods look like whining toddlers. For reference, this book assumes that the cutoff between deities and elder ones is somewhere between ECL 161 and 320.
*** Alabaster is the sample monster with the Amidah template. The Amidah is the paragon of paragons: effectively the ultimate life form in a given universe. For perspective, the Amidah gets the ability to cast the infamously overpowered ''Wish'' spell an unlimited number of times per day. Alabaster is a level 117 vampire fighter(For reminder, in third edition, a level 20 character is already hopelessly overpowered). His lore states that he is the strongest warrior in the known universe, mentioning that even war deities who challenged him have ended up dead. His ECL is 245, which puts him around the border between greater deities and elder ones.
*** The Seraphim are the mightiest angel given stats in the book. They are known as the greatest warriors of good. Each one is the living embodiment of a celestial plane of existence. The book states they battled evil overgods in times past, and went into hibernation to seal away entities which threatened to destroy the multiverse. Their ECL is 252.
*** Adamic Dragons, also known as Dimensional Dragons, are tremendously powerful dragons that live in space. They trace their origins back to the dawn of the universe itself, and are known to take out pantheons of deities. The two types given stats are Cometary Dragons and Void Dragons. Cometary dragons are two-headed white dragons that glow when they move and wield control over time. Void Dragons, on the other hand, are headless [[DraconicAbomination draconic abominations]] made of pure darkness that aren't quite alive and specialize in massacring other dragons. Both of these dragons are comparable to Greater Deities even as infants(Cometary Wyrmlings are ECL 174, while Void Wyrmlings are ECL 190). Very Old void dragons and Ancient cometary dragons both surpass the strongest elder ones with an ECL of 336. Great Wyrm cometary dragons reach an ECL of 372, while void dragons reach an ECL of 390!
*** Nehaschimic dragons are interdimensional entities that lurk between dimensions and make even Adamic Dragons look pathetic. The only Nechasmic dragon given stats is the Nexus Dragon: A six winged abstract serpent that can banish people from reality, drive people to madness, and whose size seems to grow bigger than the universe to the viewer. Even nexus dragon wyrmlings can reach an ECL of 624! Great Wyrm Nexus Dragons reach an ECL of 1035!! If old ones are to deities what deities are to mortals, then Ancient Nexus Dragons are to old ones what old ones are to deities.
*** However, the absolute king of this trope when it comes to statted monsters in this book is the Neutronium Golem. They are golems forged from the cores of white dwarf stars. They are used by extradimensional lords of reality to take out a divine pantheon or solar system they don't like. What is their ECL? 17,497!!!
*** Of course, countless beings are alluded to but not given stats, that are stated to be superior to deities. These include demiurges, time lords, even more powerful angels, vast eldritch abominations, more kinds of adamic and nehaschimic dragons, guardians of higher realms, the supreme being, and of course, the players who would be crazy enough to play dnd 3.5e at triple to quintuple digit levels.
** ''TabletopGame/{{Mystara}}'' The Immortals are the ''BD&D'' equivalent of deities. The Old Ones are a group of extremely powerful beings who are to the Immortals as the Immortals are to mortals. If someone becomes an Immortal and reaches the highest level of Immortality twice, they can join the Old Ones.
** ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms has Ao, the overgod. He exists to keep the other deities in check, and is too powerful to care for the likes of mortals. It is because of him that the normal deities of the Forgotten Realms [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly need prayer and worship to survive.]]
** The ''[[Characters/DungeonsAndDragonsElderEvils Elder Evils]]'' sourcebook introduces Pandorym and Atropus. Pandorym is an EldritchAbomination that was summoned long ago by wizards as a deterrent to threaten the gods. Pandorym was sealed away, but he aches to escape so he can slaughter the entire divine pantheon. Atropus, on the other hand, is either the rotting remnants of the creator of the universe, the last deity created by Ao, or a long dead primordial of immeasurable power. Either way, he resembles a gigantic moon that annihilates the life of entire planets and cannot be permanently stopped, even by a deity.
** In TabletopGame/GrimHollow, the gods are dead. What killed them? They picked a war with the [[EldritchAbomination Aether]] [[UnseenEvil Kindred.]]
** Taken up to 11 with ''The Immortals Handbook: Epic Bestiary'', a third party handbook for 3.5e that focuses on content for epic level parties. And by content for epic level parties, I mean that this book contains a handful of monsters that make the gods look like whining toddlers. For reference, this book assumes that the cutoff between deities and elder ones is somewhere between ECL 161 and 320.
*** Alabaster is the sample monster with the Amidah template. The Amidah is the paragon of paragons: effectively the ultimate life form in a given universe. For perspective, the Amidah gets the ability to cast the infamously overpowered ''Wish'' spell an unlimited number of times per day. Alabaster is a level 117 vampire fighter(For reminder, in third edition, a level 20 character is already hopelessly overpowered). His lore states that he is the strongest warrior in the known universe, mentioning that even war deities who challenged him have ended up dead. His ECL is 245, which puts him around the border between greater deities and elder ones.
*** The Seraphim are the mightiest angel given stats in the book. They are known as the greatest warriors of good. Each one is the living embodiment of a celestial plane of existence. The book states they battled evil overgods in times past, and went into hibernation to seal away entities which threatened to destroy the multiverse. Their ECL is 252.
*** Adamic Dragons, also known as Dimensional Dragons, are tremendously powerful dragons that live in space. They trace their origins back to the dawn of the universe itself, and are known to take out pantheons of deities. The two types given stats are Cometary Dragons and Void Dragons. Cometary dragons are two-headed white dragons that glow when they move and wield control over time. Void Dragons, on the other hand, are headless [[DraconicAbomination draconic abominations]] made of pure darkness that aren't quite alive and specialize in massacring other dragons. Both of these dragons are comparable to Greater Deities even as infants(Cometary Wyrmlings are ECL 174, while Void Wyrmlings are ECL 190). Very Old void dragons and Ancient cometary dragons both surpass the strongest elder ones with an ECL of 336. Great Wyrm cometary dragons reach an ECL of 372, while void dragons reach an ECL of 390!
*** Nehaschimic dragons are interdimensional entities that lurk between dimensions and make even Adamic Dragons look pathetic. The only Nechasmic dragon given stats is the Nexus Dragon: A six winged abstract serpent that can banish people from reality, drive people to madness, and whose size seems to grow bigger than the universe to the viewer. Even nexus dragon wyrmlings can reach an ECL of 624! Great Wyrm Nexus Dragons reach an ECL of 1035!! If old ones are to deities what deities are to mortals, then Ancient Nexus Dragons are to old ones what old ones are to deities.
*** However, the absolute king of this trope when it comes to statted monsters in this book is the Neutronium Golem. They are golems forged from the cores of white dwarf stars. They are used by extradimensional lords of reality to take out a divine pantheon or solar system they don't like. What is their ECL? 17,497!!!
*** Of course, countless beings are alluded to but not given stats, that are stated to be superior to deities. These include demiurges, time lords, even more powerful angels, vast eldritch abominations, more kinds of adamic and nehaschimic dragons, guardians of higher realms, the supreme being, and of course, the players who would be crazy enough to play dnd 3.5e at triple to quintuple digit levels.
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** ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' has [[https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616) Those Who Sit Above in Shadow]]. As the Asgardians are Gods and therefore more powerful by far that most of the midgardians, these guys were like that to the ''Asgardians''. But then Loki, having recently become God Of Stories rather than Evil, Lies, or Mischief, allowed the multiverse to end, starving them out of existence, before creating the multiverse in its entirety once more (as it is the Marvel multiverse and therefore entirely made of story, which is his new purview).
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** ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' has [[https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616) Those Who Sit Above in Shadow]]. As the Asgardians are Gods and therefore more powerful by far that than most of the midgardians, these guys were like that to the ''Asgardians''. But then Loki, having recently become God Of Stories rather than Evil, Lies, or Mischief, allowed the multiverse to end, starving them out of existence, before creating the multiverse in its entirety once more (as it is the Marvel multiverse and therefore entirely made of story, which is his new purview).
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** ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' has [[https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616) Those Who Sit Above in Shadow]]. As the Asgardians are Gods of the midgardians, these guys were that to the ''Asgardians''. But then Loki, having recently become God Of Stories rather than Evil, Lies, or Mischief, allowed the multiverse to end, starving them out of existence, before creating the multiverse in its entirety once more (as it is the Marvel multiverse and therefore entirely made of story, which is his new purview).
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** ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' has [[https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616) Those Who Sit Above in Shadow]]. As the Asgardians are Gods and therefore more powerful by far that most of the midgardians, these guys were like that to the ''Asgardians''. But then Loki, having recently become God Of Stories rather than Evil, Lies, or Mischief, allowed the multiverse to end, starving them out of existence, before creating the multiverse in its entirety once more (as it is the Marvel multiverse and therefore entirely made of story, which is his new purview).
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** ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' has [[https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616) Those Who Sit Above in Shadow]]. As the Asgardians are gods to the humans, these guys are gods to the ''Asgardians''.
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** ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' has [[https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Those_Who_Sit_Above_in_Shadow_(Earth-616) Those Who Sit Above in Shadow]]. As the Asgardians are gods to Gods of the humans, midgardians, these guys are gods were that to the ''Asgardians''.''Asgardians''. But then Loki, having recently become God Of Stories rather than Evil, Lies, or Mischief, allowed the multiverse to end, starving them out of existence, before creating the multiverse in its entirety once more (as it is the Marvel multiverse and therefore entirely made of story, which is his new purview).
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* In Creator/HPLovecraft's ''Dream Quest to Unknown Kadath'' the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Gods]] and their messenger Nyarlathotep are far more powerful than the gods of Dreamland (Nyarlathotep can instantly summon all the gods back to their proper place on mount Kadath with the snap of his fingers). The Outer Gods also appear in the Franchise/CthulhuMythos and are also far more powerful than the Great Old Ones (the Old Ones aren't technically gods, but are worshipped as such by numerous cults). Cthulhu may be able to drive mankind to insanity and death when he wakes up, but the Outer Gods include beings that can create and unmake entire universes or exist in every point in space and time at once.
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* In Creator/HPLovecraft's ''Dream Quest to Unknown Kadath'' ''Literature/TheDreamQuestOfUnknownKadath'' the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Gods]] and their messenger Nyarlathotep are far more powerful than the gods of Dreamland (Nyarlathotep can instantly summon all the gods back to their proper place on mount Kadath with the snap of his fingers). The Outer Gods also appear in the Franchise/CthulhuMythos and are also far more powerful than the Great Old Ones (the Old Ones aren't technically gods, but are worshipped as such by numerous cults). Cthulhu may be able to drive mankind to insanity and death when he wakes up, but the Outer Gods include beings that can create and unmake entire universes or exist in every point in space and time at once.
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Compare and contrast TheOldGods, the forerunners to the gods, however they don't necessarily have to be stronger than the gods and can still be classified as gods. The "God of Gods" archetype of TopGod might count assuming they aren't an official deity themselves. If the gods themselves aren’t considered [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]], this figure probably still will be.
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Compare and contrast TheOldGods, the forerunners to the gods, however they don't necessarily have to be stronger than the gods and can still be classified as gods. The "God of Gods" archetype of TopGod might count assuming they aren't an official deity themselves. If the gods themselves aren’t considered [[CosmicEntity cosmic entities]], this figure probably still will be.
be. Also compare EvenMoreOmnipotent.
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* ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'' this is what Terumi says about the True Azure. That it’s above absolutely everything, above [[TheOmniscient Takamagahara]] and even above [[TopGod Amaterasu]]. Which is why almost everyone wants it. [[spoiler:And because Terumi is a legit god [[DestroyerDeity Takehaya-Susano'o-no-Mikoto]], he isn’t exaggerating.]]
* While YHVH is the front-runner for the divine pantheon of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series and commonly seen as the TopGod, behind even Him there is the Great Will. It is a mysterious being or force that permeates the whole multiverse and is generally only described through second-hand information from several sources with [[UnreliableExpositor various levels of bias]]. What is known however is that it is the source of everything, with YHVH being it's most prominent avatar.
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* ''VideoGame/BlazBlue'' this is what Terumi says about the True Azure. That it’s above absolutely everything, above [[TheOmniscient Takamagahara]] and even above [[TopGod Amaterasu]]. Which is why almost everyone wants it. [[spoiler:And because Terumi is a legit god [[DestroyerDeity Takehaya-Susano'o-no-Mikoto]], he isn’t exaggerating.]]
* While YHVH is the front-runner for the divine pantheon of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series and commonly seen as the top God, behind even Him there is the Great Will. It is a mysterious being or force that permeates the whole multiverse and is generally only described through second-hand information from several sources with [[UnreliableExpositor various levels of bias]]. What is known however is that it is the source of everything, with YHVH being it's most prominent avatar.
* While YHVH is the front-runner for the divine pantheon of the ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' series and commonly seen as the top God, behind even Him there is the Great Will. It is a mysterious being or force that permeates the whole multiverse and is generally only described through second-hand information from several sources with [[UnreliableExpositor various levels of bias]]. What is known however is that it is the source of everything, with YHVH being it's most prominent avatar.
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* ''VideoGame/FateExtellaTheUmbralStar'': Around 14,000 years ago (from modern Earth time), gods existed as physical beings that walked the Earth. Then an extraterrestrial being called "Sefar" came, killed many of those gods and caused major devastation before it's defeat. It results in the first decline of the "Age of Gods".
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* ''VideoGame/FateExtellaTheUmbralStar'': Around 14,000 years ago (from modern Earth time), gods existed as physical beings that walked the Earth. Then an extraterrestrial being called "Sefar" came, killed many of those gods and caused major devastation before it's defeat.defeat by the hands of a mortal wielding {{Excalibur}}. It results in the first decline of the "Age of Gods".
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** ''VideoGame/FateExtellaTheUmbralStar'': the BigBad is an entity known as "Sefar", who fell to Earth 14,000 years ago and very nearly slaughtered ''all'' the gods that existed on Earth at the time. And Sefar was only one tiny part of an interstellar entity called "Velber", which apparently goes around annihilating entire planets for kicks.
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** ''VideoGame/FateExtellaTheUmbralStar'': the BigBad is an entity known as "Sefar", who fell to Earth 14,000 years ago and very nearly slaughtered ''all'' the gods that existed on Earth at the time. And Sefar was only one tiny part of an interstellar entity called "Velber", which apparently goes around annihilating entire planets for kicks. Only the Holy Sword {{Excalibur}} was able to defeat her. [[spoiler:In [[VideoGame/FateGrandOrder another pruned timeline]], it took the [[CombiningMecha literal combining]] of the bodies and powers of the Olympian gods just to fight Sefar to a draw long enough for Excalibur to finish her off.]]
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While gods are usually the most powerful forces or entities in a given setting, this isn't always the case. Sometimes, there are beings out there that are so powerful, they are considered to be [[EvenMoreOmnipotent even greater than the gods]]. They may represent [[{{God}} Big-G God]] or his [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels greatest servants]] in comparison to a FantasyPantheon of little-g gods, be AnthropomorphicPersonifications of eternal concepts, or even abstractions of forces [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm far too powerful for mortals to wrap their heads around.]] In other cases, they're even {{Eldritch Abomination}}s. These sorts of beings usually don't interact much with our level of reality, though there are exceptions. In fact, some sufficiently powerful mortals can fit this trope as well.
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While gods are usually the most powerful forces or entities in a given setting, this isn't always the case. Sometimes, there are beings out there that are so powerful, they are considered to be [[EvenMoreOmnipotent even greater than the gods]]. They may represent [[{{God}} Big-G Capital-G God]] or his [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels greatest servants]] in comparison to a FantasyPantheon of little-g gods, be AnthropomorphicPersonifications of eternal concepts, or even abstractions of forces [[YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm far too powerful for mortals to wrap their heads around.]] In other cases, they're even {{Eldritch Abomination}}s. These sorts of beings usually don't interact much with our level of reality, though there are exceptions. In fact, some sufficiently powerful mortals can fit this trope as well.
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* ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'': Gods are, strictly speaking, a ''terrestrial'' phenonmenon in this 'Verse, meaning that their influence doesn't actually expand beyond that of Earth [[note]]what this means for, say, Ishtar, the Goddess of Venus, is that she doesn't actually hold dominion over Venus, but rather Earth's CONCEPT of Venus[[/note]]. Cosmic and interstellar beings are described as being greater than any god that has ever walked Earth.
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* ''Franchise/{{Nasuverse}}'': Gods are, strictly speaking, a ''terrestrial'' phenonmenon phenomenon in this 'Verse, meaning that their influence doesn't actually expand extend beyond that of Earth [[note]]what this means for, say, Ishtar, the Goddess of Venus, is that she doesn't actually hold dominion over Venus, but rather Earth's CONCEPT of Venus[[/note]]. Cosmic and interstellar beings are described as being greater than any god that has ever walked Earth.
