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** The standard among the Nuuri, whose women are massive bruisers with BoobsOfSteel, each of whom commands a minor army of tiny husbands.

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** The standard among the Nuuri, whose women are massive bruisers with BoobsOfSteel, large chests, each of whom commands a minor army of tiny husbands.
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* WeHaveReserves: [[spoiler: Rile]] in the third book is all about this trope. Justified in that he isn't waging a conventional war of conquest, but is only aiming to reach the Last Repository and destroy it. He doesn't care if there's anything left of his army by the time that's done, as long as it gets him there.
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* TrainingTheGiftOfMagic: Downplayed. A sorcerer has access to his or her powers from the moment they are awakened, but practice can increase precision and stamina considerably. Part of the reason why Belleger's and Amika's sorcerers are so outmatched by the enemy's in ''The Killing God'' is implied to be that most of them don't bother.
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* DeconstructedCharacterArchetype: Marrow can be seen as one of the TricksterMentor ChessMaster types common in Donaldson's other works. Like them, he manipulates the heroes as part of a long-running feud against the villain, but his schemes are portrayed as needlessly cruel and usually not even all that effective, and pretty much everyone ends up hating him. Also, his ultimate goal isn't to save the world from Evil but to protect a priceless collection of rare books from a book-burning fanatic, which, while still broadly sympathetic, is a lot less obvious that it's worth so much pain and sacrifice.
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* ResurrectiveImmortality: Bifalt has it in the first book, courtesy of [[spoiler: the sorcerers of the Last Repository needing him alive for now.]] Every time he should die, he just wakes up more or less unharmed.

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* ResurrectiveImmortality: Bifalt has it in the first book, courtesy of [[spoiler: the sorcerers of the Last Repository needing him alive for now.]] Every time he should die, he just wakes up more or less unharmed. Ultimately subverted, as we learn in the third book that he was never actually killed, just magically shielded from most of his injuries but knocked unconscious by what got through the shield.

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* AGodAmI: The Great God Rile is ''probably'' just a super-powerful sorcerer, though he's AmbiguouslyHuman enough to not make it entirely clear.



* BaldOfEvil: [[spoiler: Rile]] doesn't have a hair on his head.



* CompellingVoice: [[spoiler: The priests of the Great God Rile]] turn out to have this ability and use it to ruthless effect.

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* CompellingVoice: [[spoiler: The priests of the Great God Rile]] turn out to have this ability and use it to ruthless effect. It's later revealed to be the eight decimate, coercion.


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* DangerousForbiddenTechnique: The Final Decimate, which lets a wielder cause tremendous destruction at the cost of destroying himself in the process.


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* HorseOfADifferentColor: [[spoiler: Rile's]] cavalry ride massive beasts that seem like some kind of cross between horses and boars.


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* LargeAndInCharge: The Great God Rile is described as being so big that he towers over people even when sitting down.


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** [[spoiler: Tak Biondi]] in the third.

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* BarbarianTribe: The el-Algreb are boisterous horse warriors who seems to love nothing so much as fighting. They are smarter than they look, though.



* XanatosGambit: After being somewhat of an IdiotHero throughout the book, Bifalt actually comes up with one of these in the end of ''The Seventh Decimate''. [[spoiler: If he wins the duel, Marrow has promised to give him ''The Seventh Decimate'', which he will then bring back to Belleger. If he loses, Third Father will be honour-bound to obey his last wish, which is that he brings ''A Treatise on the Fabrication of Cannon Using Primitive Means'' back to Belleger. As possessing either of those books will give Belleger an unstoppable tactical advantage, he can't lose as long as Marrow and Third Father both honour their word.]]

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After being somewhat of an IdiotHero throughout the book, Bifalt actually comes up with one of these in the end of ''The Seventh ''Seventh Decimate''. [[spoiler: If he wins the duel, Marrow has promised to give him ''The Seventh Decimate'', which he will then bring back to Belleger. If he loses, Third Father will be honour-bound to obey his last wish, which is that he brings ''A Treatise on the Fabrication of Cannon Using Primitive Means'' back to Belleger. As possessing either of those books will give Belleger an unstoppable tactical advantage, he can't lose as long as Marrow and Third Father both honour their word.]]]]
** In ''The Killing God'' the el-Algreb manage to stop the advance of the Cleckin into Belleger with one. [[spoiler: They launch constant lightning raids to steal the Cleckin's horses. The Cleckin can only protect their horses by staying put and taking a defensive stance, but then they'd of course have to stop advancing. Conversely, without horses to carry their supplies, they won't be able to maintain an offensive for long.]] The Cleckin end up having to retreat despite outnumbering the el-Algreb four to one.
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* PersecutedIntellectuals: The reason why the Last Repository is so well-hidden is ([[UnreliableExpositor according to its not-entirely-trustworthy keepers, at least]]) that knowledge is a threat to tyrants and therefore someone is always trying to destroy it.
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* PowerAtAPrice: While most sorcery just seems to require a native gift and some time spent training it, some have a price tag attached. Most notably, the ability to send your voice over great distances requires you to give up your hearing before you can use it.

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''The Great God's War'' is a LowFantasy series by Creator/StephenRDonaldson, planned to consist of three books. The first, ''Seventh Decimate'', was published in 2017, while the second, ''The War Within'', followed in 2019 and the third and final volume, ''The Killing God'' in 2022.

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''The Great God's War'' is a LowFantasy series by Creator/StephenRDonaldson, planned to consist Creator/StephenRDonaldson consisting of three books. The first, ''Seventh Decimate'', was published in 2017, while the second, ''The War Within'', followed in 2019 and the third and final volume, ''The Killing God'' in 2022.


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* CompellingVoice: [[spoiler: The priests of the Great God Rile]] turn out to have this ability and use it to ruthless effect.


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* HopelessWar: The war Belleger and Amika is facing in the third book is downright ridiculously lopsided - the enemy has sent three different armies, each one more numerous than the defenders can reasonably resist. And that's without factoring in the difference in number and skill of sorcerers.


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* RemovingTheHeadOrDestroyingTheBrain: A downplayed example. [[spoiler: Rile's]] brainwashed shock troops can't feel pain, so shooting them anywhere but in the head doesn't slow them down much, at least in the short term. They'll still die ''eventually'' from lesser wounds, mind, but by that time they'll have killed the person who injured them.
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* BigBad: [[spoiler: The Great God Rile]] is the ultimate antagonist of the trilogy, being the enemy who the Respository fears and whose existence drives their manipulation of Belleger and Amika, and who ultimately invades in person in the later books.
* BigBadWannabe: King Smegin of Amika talks the talk and certainly wields a lot of power as both a ruler and a sorcerer, even after he abdicates, but is [[spoiler: ultimately disposed of decisively roughly two thirds of the way through the second book, with his plans having not amounted to much]].


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* CrystalDragonJesus: Subverted. The Great God Rile's religion uses some very Christian-like imagery, including their symbol being a cross with Rile's figure on it, but Rile himself [[spoiler: is a PhysicalGod and SorcerousOverlord who]] doesn't much resemble typical depictions of Jesus in any way.
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''The Great God's War'' is a LowFantasy series by Creator/StephenRDonaldson, planned to consist of three books. The first, ''Seventh Decimate'', was published in 2017, while the second, ''The War Within'', followed in 2019.

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''The Great God's War'' is a LowFantasy series by Creator/StephenRDonaldson, planned to consist of three books. The first, ''Seventh Decimate'', was published in 2017, while the second, ''The War Within'', followed in 2019.
2019 and the third and final volume, ''The Killing God'' in 2022.
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''The Great God's War'' is a LowFantasy series by Creator/StephenRDonaldson, planned to consist of three books. The first, ''The Seventh Decimate'', was published in 2017, while the second, ''The War Within'', followed in 2019.

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''The Great God's War'' is a LowFantasy series by Creator/StephenRDonaldson, planned to consist of three books. The first, ''The Seventh ''Seventh Decimate'', was published in 2017, while the second, ''The War Within'', followed in 2019.
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* FailureHero: Bifalt spends the first bookmaking the exact wrong choice at pretty much every single turn, something that he is bitterly aware of.

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* FailureHero: Bifalt spends the first bookmaking book making the exact wrong choice at pretty much every single turn, something that he is bitterly aware of.
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* FailureHero: Bifalt spends the first book making the exact wrong choice at pretty much every single turn, something that he is bitterly aware of.

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* FailureHero: Bifalt spends the first book making bookmaking the exact wrong choice at pretty much every single turn, something that he is bitterly aware of.



* GoodShepherd: Third Father is consistently calm and kind and tries to understand people and see to their emotional needs. He also [[spoiler: agrees to deliver a book on guncrafting to Belleger if Bifalt should die, even though he clearly thinks it's a terrible idea and even though it puts him at considerable risk, because it's part of his duties to deliver final messages from people about to die to their loved ones, and [[LoopholeAbuse this technically counts as one.]]]]

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* GoodShepherd: Third Father is consistently calm and kind and tries to understand people and see to their emotional needs. He also [[spoiler: agrees to deliver a book on guncrafting gun crafting to Belleger if Bifalt should die, even though he clearly thinks it's a terrible idea and even though it puts him at considerable risk, because it's part of his duties to deliver final messages from people about to die to their loved ones, and [[LoopholeAbuse this technically counts as one.]]]]



* WhatTheHellHero: Prince Bifalt seems to spend most of the second half of the first book getting this treatment from every other characters. Whether any of them are any better than him is hard to say, though.

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* WhatTheHellHero: Prince Bifalt seems to spend most of the second half of the first book getting this treatment from every other characters.character. Whether any of them are any better than him is hard to say, though.
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The Bellegerin are hoping to finally turn the tide through their recent invention of rifles, but before they can capitalise on their advantage, [[TheMagicGoesAway all sorcery in Belleger suddenly ceases to work]] - and new rifles can only be forged with the aid of the Decimate of Fire. Expecting a devastating attack at any time, the King of Belleger sends his son, Prince Bifalt, on a desperate mission for a [[GreatBigLibraryOfEverything legendary library]] said to contain the knowledge of the Seventh Decimate, a lost art that can [[AntiMagic nullify other sorcery.]]

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The Bellegerin are hoping to finally turn the tide through their recent invention of rifles, but before they can capitalise on their advantage, [[TheMagicGoesAway all sorcery in Belleger suddenly ceases to work]] - -- and new rifles can only be forged with the aid of the Decimate of Fire. Expecting a devastating attack at any time, the King of Belleger sends his son, Prince Bifalt, on a desperate mission for a [[GreatBigLibraryOfEverything legendary library]] said to contain the knowledge of the Seventh Decimate, a lost art that can [[AntiMagic nullify other sorcery.]]
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* SinisterMinister: Archpriest Makh, leader of the Church of the Great God Rile, preaches a [[ScienceIsBad suspect philosophy]] and has political aspirations towards some unknown goal. He also seems to wield (or at least channel) some sort of OutsideContextMagic that no one has ever heard of. His subordinate priests also have shades of this trope, though they seem to be JustFollowingOrders and may or may not be in on whatever it is Makh is planning.

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* SinisterMinister: Archpriest Makh, leader of the Church of the Great God Rile, preaches a [[ScienceIsBad suspect philosophy]] and has political aspirations towards some unknown goal. He also seems to wield (or at least channel) some sort of OutsideContextMagic WrongContextMagic that no one has ever heard of. His subordinate priests also have shades of this trope, though they seem to be JustFollowingOrders and may or may not be in on whatever it is Makh is planning.
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* AlwaysSomeoneBetter: Jaspid is an exceptional MasterSwordsman who is at one point shown effortlessly winning a six-against-one training fight (while still having to [[IAmNotLeftHanded hold back]] so as to not win too quickly for it to make a good demonstration). Near the end of ''The War Within'' he ends up fighting [[spoiler: Lylin]] and gets beaten half to death. Before he recovers enough to tell anyone what happens, it's assumed that he must have been set upon by a huge gang of men, since it never occurs to anyone that a single opponent could have done this to him.
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* AntiHero: Bifalt is angry, self-righteous and hates sorcery and Amikans to a downright psychotic extent. What still makes him somewhat sympathetic is how devoted he is to saving his people.

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* AntiHero: Bifalt in the first book is angry, self-righteous and hates sorcery and Amikans to a downright psychotic extent. What still makes him somewhat sympathetic is how devoted he is to saving his people. He gets more straightforwardly heroic in the second book, though he's still pretty neurotic.



* CrapsackWorld: Belleger seems to consist almost solely of shell-shocked veterans and starving peasants. There are hints that Amika is no better off. Subverted as it turns out that the wider world is actually doing pretty well - it's just those two kingdoms that are suffering.

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* CrapsackWorld: Belleger seems to consist almost solely of shell-shocked veterans and starving peasants. There are hints that Amika is no better off. [[note]]The second book confirms that Amika might not be quite as bad as Belleger, but it's a close thing.[[/note]] Subverted as it turns out that the wider world is actually doing pretty well - it's just those two kingdoms that are suffering.suffering. The second book, which takes place after twenty years of peace, also shows that things have gotten a lot better.



* TheGoodKing: King Abbator seems to be highly respected by his people, and Prince Bifalt practically worships his father.

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* TheGoodKing: King Abbator seems to be highly respected by his people, and Prince Bifalt practically worships his father. In the second book, Bifalt has become this.



* GrayAndGreyMorality: Bifalt just wants to save his kingdom from Amika, but is willing to do things he considers dishonourable to succeed. The Amikans, meanwhile, are hinted to think of themselves as fighting a GuiltFreeExterminationWar against a race of remorseless butchers. [[spoiler: Marrow and the other Last Repository sorcerers]] want to end the war, but only so that Belleger and Amika can get ready to fight for ''them'' when the time comes - and they, too, consider their goal to be so inherently just that it makes any methods permissible.

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* GrayAndGreyMorality: In the first book, Bifalt just wants to save his kingdom from Amika, but is willing to do things he considers dishonourable to succeed. The Amikans, meanwhile, are hinted to think of themselves as fighting a GuiltFreeExterminationWar against a race of remorseless butchers. [[spoiler: Marrow and the other Last Repository sorcerers]] want to end the war, but only so that Belleger and Amika can get ready to fight for ''them'' when the time comes - and they, too, consider their goal to be so inherently just that it makes any methods permissible.
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* MercyKill: [[spoiler: The Amikans consider their practice of killing their own wounded with long-range sorcery to be this, assuming that the Bellegerins would submit them to ColdBloodedTorture if they were ever captured.]]

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* MercyKill: [[spoiler: The Amikans consider their practice of killing their own wounded with long-range sorcery to be this, assuming that the Bellegerins would submit them to ColdBloodedTorture if they were ever captured. It's later subverted when it's revealed that while their king ''did'' think they'd be tortured if captured, he was less worried about their suffering and more worried about the Bellegerins torturing valuable information out of them.]]



* SmugSnake: [[spoiler: King Smegin]] in the second book thinks that he's an unstoppable force of nature and a credible threat to the Last Repository, and he kills, tortures and enslaves people on the general principle of [[TheUnfettered "well, who's gonna stop me?"]] [[spoiler: He gets DrivenToSuicide after a single Last Repository sorcerer takes away his magic practically with a snap of her fingers. You'd think he'd remember they could do that, especially since that was why he hated them so much so much to start with, but, apparently...]]

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* SmugSnake: [[spoiler: King Smegin]] in the second book thinks that he's an unstoppable force of nature and a credible threat to the Last Repository, and he kills, tortures and enslaves people on the general principle of [[TheUnfettered "well, who's gonna stop me?"]] [[spoiler: He gets DrivenToSuicide after a single Last Repository sorcerer takes away his magic practically with a snap of her fingers. You'd think he'd remember they could do that, especially since that was why he hated them so much so much to start with, but, apparently...]]
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* PsychoElectro: Smegin seems to firmly believe that there is no problem that can't be solved by throwing lightning bolts at it. Rubia claims that while he believes he's mastered his gift, in truth he's been mastered by it.

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