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* TheHelpHelpingThemselves: One footnote explains that aristocrats often label their good wine in their cellar backwards to prevent the servants from swiping it. The servants are not fooled and the aristocrats often don't notice that the booze has been topped off with "eniru".
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** At the beginning of the novel, Quoth the Raven is cross with the Death of Rats when he distracts him from paying a visit to a recently deceased donkey of which, the Raven says, there would be "hardly a hoof left" soon. Towards the end of the book, the Death of Rats arranges for the Raven to chance upon a fresh sheep carcass that he can have all for himself as a tuoching Hogswatch surprise.

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** At the beginning of the novel, Quoth the Raven is cross with the Death of Rats when he distracts him from paying a visit to a recently deceased donkey of which, the Raven says, there would be "hardly a hoof left" soon. Towards the end of the book, the Death of Rats arranges for the Raven to chance upon a fresh sheep carcass that he can have all for himself as a tuoching touching Hogswatch surprise.
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** A restaurant is mentioned to put "bicarbonate of soda in the white wine to make very expensive bubbles".
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* AskAStupidQuestion: Subverted. Bilious, having only incarnated that night, is unfamiliar with most customs and keeps asking about how things like tooth fairies work. Susan gets fed up with how he keeps asking about something that would seem patently obvious on the surface, snapping at the question "where do they take the teeth after getting it from the pillow?", and Bilious believes he probably just stumbled into a silly question anyone else could easily answer. Then Susan realizes she ''doesn't'' actually know where the tooth fairies take the teeth they pick up and this is their new lead into figuring out what's going on.
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* {{Foreshadowing}}: Susan frequently notes childish drawings like the ones found in Twyla's nursery and Banjo's book are indicated by a simplisticly blue sky that only covers up a part of the drawing, crude houses, and trees and rivers with no details. [[spoiler:The Tooth Fairy's Realm has all of those attributes, which freak out Teatime's hired goons, but they nor the audience is meant to realize why until Susan pieces together that place uses the logic of children's perception of the world so the horizon has no actual sky in it, only a blank void like how a kid would draw it]].
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* BecomingTheMask: At the start of his brief stint as the Hogfather, Death carries around a checklist of things he needs to do in order to keep belief going. At the story goes on, he gets more and more into the spirit of things, even doing things that would be antithetical to his real duties as TheGrimReaper.


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* PetTheDog:
** Death is expected to leave a pitance for an impoverished family instead of all the gifts asked of him. He instead leaves everything they ask for, seeing the disparity between the rich and poor as unfair. As Death he doesn't discriminate, and neither as the Hogfather.
** When Death is called to reap the soul of the Little Match Girl -- a manifestation of the story used as an example to those not well-off, but more well-off than her -- Death forgoes his main duties and invokes his temporary duties by rescuing her.
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* PseudoSanta: The Hogfather, the hog-themed Discworld equivalent of Santa who went through considerable in-universe {{Disneyfication}} over the ages. Initially starting off in the distant past as a winter death-and-renewal deity placated by bonfires and ritual sacrifices, he later changed into a gift giver who brought people pork products (or bags of bloody bones to naught children) and eventually toys and treats in the modern day. His sleigh was originally pulled by wild boars but is now pulled by cute domestic pigs.
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* ThePursuingNightmare: Mr Teatime's heist crew find out the hard way that [[EldritchLocation the Tooth Fairy's Castle]] defends itself by conjuring up manifestations of their own worst childhood dreams. At least two of the party are chased down by their respective monsters, and one is so left terrified during the pursuit that he loses his footing on the spiral staircase and falls to his death. On the upside, they can't actually die in the Castle, as it's a mystical realm based on the imagination of children, so death has no meaning there... but on the downside, that just means that the victims are teleported back to reality, where they promptly die from their injuries anyway.
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* ItsPersonal: Gawain and Twyla's previous governess encouraged their belief in childhood nightmares for misbehaving children under the belief that it would improve their behaviour. Instead, it just left Susan having to directly deal with said nightmares whenever they appear to menace her charges, as per their roles. Susan is quite aggravated by the whole situation, but understands the terrors are at best a PunchClockVillain formed by belief, and after making ''certain'' that they won't target either kid, spends her time dissuading them of said views and making them more "sensible" about the world in her own manner. For the old governess, however, Susan fully intends to hunt her down one day.
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* WokenUpAtAnUngodlyHour: Invoked when Susan complains that Death put noisy toys into the stockings of the children she's looking after. He responds that there has to be something in the stocking that makes a noise, "otherwise, what is 4:30 AM for?"
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* SpecialOccasionsAreMagic: Death's manservant Albert rarely if ever returns to the real world, because when he does his lifetimer starts trickling again. On [[YouMeanXmas Hogswatchnight]], he helps out with Death SubbingForSanta, explaining that tonight it doesn't apply to him due to the time distortion needed to distribute gifts to all the children in the world.

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Misuse and natter - this is just something unexplained in the narrative (but easy to find an explanation for, as the reply said) — not something that unaccountably disappears


* TrueMeaningOfChristmas: Parodied. Death resolves to teach people the real meaning of Hogswatch. Albert then lists the more unpleasant (i.e. sacrificial pigs and loads of blood) aspects of pagan winter festivals until Death decides to teach people the ''un''real meaning of Hogswatch.

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* TrueMeaningOfChristmas: Parodied. Death resolves to teach people the real meaning of Hogswatch. Albert then lists the more unpleasant (i.e.(e.g. sacrificial pigs and loads of blood) aspects of pagan winter festivals until Death decides to teach people the ''un''real meaning of Hogswatch.



* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Early on, Susan goes to Death's house and finds the room in which the lifetimers of the gods and anthropomorphic personifications are stored, finding the Hogfather's smashed on the floor: her line "Grandfather, what have you done?" seems to suggest she mistakenly thinks the Hogfather is dead due to an accident by Death. Why the lifetimer is smashed, and Susan's mistaken impression, are never revisited.
** It's implied elsewhere in the Discworld books that a person's life and their life-timer are literally connected by some sort of symbiosis. Thus, by killing the Hogfather before his time, one also destroys his life-timer.
** It may have been another last-second attempt to keep him from dying. In Susan's previous adventure Albert stops living but doesn't actually die when his is smashed (he effectively freezes like a crashed computer program); he keeps the seconds they could salvage in a beer bottle now.

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* AdaptationalHeroism: It removes any of the creep and contempt that Susan felt about the First Bogeyman. The book makes it clear that It disgusts her, but in the film, It's just portrayed as very old, kind and tired, and Susan comforts It that by promising she'll ensure that the teeth will remain protected. It nods in gratitude and dies in peace.
* AdaptationalNiceGuy: While he has occasionally played villains in the past, David Jason generally plays likable characters and casting him as Albert has turned the JerkWithAHeartofJerk (with a conscience) to a standard OldRetainer.



* AdaptationalHeroism: It removes any of the creep and contempt that Susan felt about the First Bogeyman. The book makes it clear that It disgusts her, but in the film, It's just portrayed as very old, kind and tired, and Susan comforts It that by promising she'll ensure that the teeth will remain protected. It nods in gratitude and dies in peace.
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* LeftFieldDescription: An extremely colorful carpet is compared to a deflated Rastafarian hedgehog.
-->"Long ago, someone had made [the carpet] by carefully knotting long bits of brightly colored rag into a sacking base, giving it the look of a deflated Rastafarian hedgehog."
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** The subversion of SentimentalHomemadeToy above recalls ''Inherit the Wind,'' which was a subversion in the opposite direction ... Henry Drummond actually ''got'' the fancy rocking-horse for Christmas, only to discover it was pretty paint over rotten wood that broke the first time he tried to ride it. So Albert may have been doomed either way.

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** The subversion of SentimentalHomemadeToy above recalls ''Inherit the Wind,'' ''Theatre/InheritTheWind,'' which was a subversion in the opposite direction ... Henry Drummond actually ''got'' the fancy rocking-horse for Christmas, only to discover it was pretty paint over rotten wood that broke the first time he tried to ride it. So Albert may have been doomed either way.
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** The subversion of SentimentalHomemadeToy above recalls ''Inherit the Wind,'' which was a subversion in the opposite direction ... Henry Drummond actually ''got'' the fancy rocking-horse for Christmas, only to discover it was pretty paint over rotten wood that broke the first time he tried to ride it. So Albert may have been doomed either way.
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* AdaptationalHeroism: It removes any of the creep and contempt that Susan felt about the First Bogeyman. The book makes it clear that It disgusts her, but in the film, It's just portrayed as very old, kind and tired, and Susan comforts It that by promising she'll ensure that the teeth will remain protected. It nods in gratitude and dies in peace.

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* YourWorstNightmare:
** [[spoiler:The [[PrimalFear Tooth Fairy's]] last line of defense. Doesn't really work on Susan; she ''likes'' snakes. Teatime also overcame it, although he didn't care to explain how beyond "I am in touch with my inner child."]]
*** The live-action adaptation had [[spoiler:his soul literally be that of a young version of him. He was in touch with his inner child because he's basically the same person as he was when he ''was'' a child.]] It's the same reason why [[spoiler:Banjo wasn't targeted by the Tooth Fairy's defenses, but his brother was: he was, at heart, a child, and the Tooth Fairy had built his castle explicitly so he could protect children.]]
** The worst nightmares of the one guard that Teatime killed were rather strange, involving some sort of giant cabbage, something about "claws", and an enigmatic reference to everything going blue. But then again, when did a person's worst nightmare have to make sense to anyone else?

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* YourWorstNightmare:
** [[spoiler:The [[PrimalFear Tooth Fairy's]] last line of defense. Doesn't really work on Susan; she ''likes'' snakes. Teatime also overcame it, although he didn't care to explain how beyond "I am in touch with my inner child."]]
*** The live-action adaptation had [[spoiler:his soul literally be that of a young version of him. He was in touch with his inner child because he's basically the same person as he was when he ''was'' a child.]] It's the same reason why [[spoiler:Banjo wasn't targeted by the Tooth Fairy's defenses, but his brother was: he was, at heart, a child, and the Tooth Fairy had built his castle explicitly so he could protect children.]]
** The worst nightmares of the one guard that Teatime killed were rather strange, involving some sort of giant cabbage, something about "claws", and an enigmatic reference to everything going blue. But then again, when did a person's worst nightmare have to make sense to anyone else?
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* SeriesContinuityError: When Susan finds Death's notes, she recognises them instantly because "No one else Susan had ever met had handwriting with serifs". But in ''Literature/{{Mort}}'' we're told that Mort had ''expected'' Death's handwriting to look like that, but instead he'd read a book about what your handwriting says about your personality, and chosen the most "normal" one.
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* FailedAttemptAtScaring: Late in the story, Susan finally gets to meet the Tooth Fairy herself... and is immediately suspicious because of how stereotypical the whole scene looks. Alarmed, the Tooth Fairy begins [[ShapeshifterShowoffSession rapidly shapeshifting]] in an attempt to scare Susan off, becoming spiders, snakes, rats, and a few things that [[NothingIsScarier aren't even described in detail]]... but Susan is the granddaughter of Death, so she shrugs off the entire display, before grabbing the Tooth Fairy by the neck and forcing her to reveal her true form.
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* ClothesForChristmasCringe: Death, SubbingForSanta, asks Albert what he's supposed to give kids if they're on the naughty list, and is told socks or a woolly vest. He thinks it serves them right.
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* Main/Mythopoeia: A major theme in this novel is the ability to bring deities into existence for a specific task. [[spoiler: Teatime tries to destroy the Hogfather by making people stop believing in him, while Death has to fill in for him to restore that belief. Susan points out at the end of the novel that people believed in the Hogfather so that the sun would come up, which makes no sense as nature dictates the sun will always come up, but Death points out that believing in anything, no matter how stupid or needless, is an integral part of humanity.]]

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* Main/Mythopoeia: {{Mythopoeia}}: A major theme in this novel is the ability to bring deities into existence for a specific task. [[spoiler: Teatime tries to destroy the Hogfather by making people stop believing in him, while Death has to fill in for him to restore that belief. Susan points out at the end of the novel that people believed in the Hogfather so that the sun would come up, which makes no sense as nature dictates the sun will always come up, but Death points out that believing in anything, no matter how stupid or needless, is an integral part of humanity.]]
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** At the beginning of the novel, Quoth the Raven is cross with the Death of Rats when he distracts him from paying a visit to a recently deceased donkey of which, the Raven says, there would be "hardly a hoof left" soon. Towards the end of the book, the Death of Rats arranges for the Raven to chance upon a fresh sheep carcass that he can have all for himself as a tuoching Hogswatch surprise.
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--> '''Death:''' [[AC:A mere ball of glowing gas would have illuminated the world]].

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--> '''Death:''' [[AC:A mere ball of glowing gas would have illuminated the world]].world.]]
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* SentimentalHomemadeToy: Subverted -- when Albert says he'd gotten a hand-carved wooden horse from his father instead of the huge store-bought rocking horse on Hogswatchnight, Death think it was a heartwarming moment, but Albert tells him only adults think like that. Children are greedy little bastards (and besides, his father sold it for booze money a few day later).

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* SentimentalHomemadeToy: Subverted -- when Albert says he'd gotten a hand-carved wooden horse from his father instead of the huge store-bought rocking horse on Hogswatchnight, Death think it was a heartwarming moment, but moment. Albert tells him only adults think like that. Children are retorts that the moment was A) lost on [[KidsAreCruel the greedy little bastards (and besides, bugger he was like most seven year-olds]] and B) ruined by his father sold it for booze money a few day later).dad getting drunk and accidentally stepping on the toy.
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* SentimentalHomemadeToy: Subverted -- when Albert says he'd gotten a hand-carved wooden horse from his father instead of the huge store-bought rocking horse on Hogswatchnight, Death think it was a heartwarming moment, but Albert tells him only adults think like that. Children are greedy little bastards (and besides, his father sold it for booze money a few day later).
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* BeastInTheBuilding: When [[TheGrimReaper Death]] temporarily replaces the Hogfather (the Disc's equivalent of Santa), he is advised to make a public appearance as a MallSanta. He brings the whole sleigh along, all four enormous sleigh-pulling boars included. One pees on the stairs, much to the delight of the children.
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* Main/Mythopoeia: A major theme in this novel is the ability to bring deities into existence for a specific task. [[spoiler: Teatime tries to destroy the Hogfather by making people stop believing in him, while Death has to fill in for him to restore that belief. Susan points out at the end of the novel that people believed in the Hogfather so that the sun would come up, which makes no sense as nature dictates the sun will always come up, but Death points out that believing in anything, no matter how stupid or needless, is an integral part of humanity.]]
** The excess belief caused by the Hogfather's absence causes minor deities to come into existence. Missing socks/towels are eaten/stolen by Towel Wasps and the Eater of Socks.
** The Dean tries to wish for a deity to bring him sacks of money, but since he actually doesn't get any sacks of money it doesn't work.
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* KidsAreCruel: A major theme of the book.

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* KidsAreCruel: A major theme of the book.book as it's repeatedly noted that kids actually relish a bit of violence and blood. The shoppers at the Maul cheer on the messed up Hogswatch display of figurines to be about fighting each other. Susan lets Gawain and Twyla play with other kids but keeps herself out of earshot of what they're saying to each other because their playtime will only seem pleasant at first glance. Notably, Pratchett does not portray this as wholly negative and treats the matter with some ambivalence as something that happens while growing up. Only Teatime takes it to excess as a manchild by solely indulging in violence.



* PronouncingMyNameForYou: Jonathan Teatime pronounces his last name for someone ("Te-ah-tim-eh") in his first appearance. It gets mispronounced throughout the book, which he finds a bit annoying. [[spoiler:Death is the only one who gets it right with a need for correction, which Teatime is delighted by.]]

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* PronouncingMyNameForYou: Jonathan Teatime pronounces his last name for someone ("Te-ah-tim-eh") in his first appearance. It gets mispronounced throughout the book, which he finds a bit annoying. [[spoiler:Death is the only one who gets it right with without a need for correction, which Teatime is delighted by.]]
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* DeityOfMortalCreation: When the Disc's Santa Claus analogue is killed all the leftover belief forms a variety of OddJobGods such as Verruca Gnome, the Eater of Socks; and Bilious, the Oh God of Hangovers.

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