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* LastStand:
** A June 1943 D-Day has American paratroopers deployed in Normandy perform this while facing three panzer divisions in open combat.
** After Soviet Premier Lazar Kaganovich announces that his east European puppet states will have a partial formalization of their status with the Alliance of People's Democracies, Josif Tito announces that Yugoslavia will instead found a "Mediterranean Federation" of non-aligned states. [[spoiler: Kaganovich calls on the people of Yugoslavia to depose Tito, and motivates them by nuking Zagreb. Belgrade is surrounded and Tito, still commanding loyalists, is slain by artillery fire.]]

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* EvilVersusEvil: A frequent occurrence in For All Time. Racial paramilitaries frequently battle each other in the streets of the USA, and both the 1976 and 1980 presidential elections are between [[spoiler: Jim Jones and Charles Manson.]] Nazi Germany falls into a three sided civil war where all factions are worse than the Allies they are also fighting, Communist East Africa wages a [[spoiler: nuclear]] war against apartheid South Africa, and so too do the USSR and the People's Republic of China.


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* EvilVersusEvil: A frequent occurrence in For All Time. Racial paramilitaries frequently battle each other in the streets of the USA, and both the 1976 and 1980 presidential elections are between [[spoiler: Jim Jones and Charles Manson.]] Nazi Germany falls into a three sided civil war where all factions are worse than the Allies they are also fighting, communist East Africa wages a [[spoiler: nuclear]] war against apartheid South Africa, and so too do the USSR and the People's Republic of China.


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* PretextForWar: Ernesto Guevara disputes the border between [[spoiler: Chile and his People's Republic of Argentina]] in order to justify his [[spoiler: nuclear weapon supported]] invasion of the latter.

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** France loses Brittany, Corsica, the Saarland, and Saint Pierre and Miquelon. Then after [[spoiler: Emperor Bokassa]] dies the rest of France collapses into half a dozen states.

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** France loses Brittany, Corsica, the Saarland, and Saint Pierre and Miquelon. Then after [[spoiler: Emperor Bokassa]] La Résistance]] dies the rest of France collapses into half a dozen states.


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* LaResistance: Played with on many, many occasions, but done straight only once. Violent resistance movements occur all over the place in For All Time, but are similarly bad as, if not worse than, the regimes they fight. The sole exception is the uprising that occurs when people learn that [[spoiler: Emperor Bokassa had been engaging in industrial scale cannibalism to feed France.]]


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* TheRemnant: Following an Allied conquest of Sicily in July 1944, Mussolini flees to Corsica and his son-in-law [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galeazzo_Ciano Galeazzo Ciano]] assumes control of Italy and switches to the Allied side the following year. In order to gain support from the Amsterdam Pact, in 1950 he holds free legislative elections, which are promptly won by the communists. Outraged, he outlaws communist and allied parties, leading to a successful uprising which leaves Sardinia as all that remains of fascist Italy.
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* NotInThisForYourRevolution: In 1960, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopoldo_Galtieri Leopoldo Galtieri]] joins Che Guevara in an uprising that overthrows the government of [[spoiler: Argentina]] merely because he wants power. [[spoiler: Che deposes his partner in a coup two years later, though Galteri escapes to Brazil with much of the treasury.]]

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* ScrewThisImOuttaHere: With a reign of terror the only thing keeping vast swathes of the country under his control, significant portions in open rebellion, and Brittany, Corsica, and the Saarland lost entirely, President Maurice Challe flees Paris to save his family, eventually retaining control only of the Maghreb Federation.



* TemptingFate: In the midst of the French Civil War, Maurice Challe places Jean-Bedel Bokassa in charge of maintaining order in Corsica and later Alsace. The French government writes him off as a potential threat. After all, what's the risk of placing a colonial subject, especially a mere black African, in charge? [[spoiler: Bokassa goes on to overthrow the government and declares himself Emperor of France.]]
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* SpaceFighter: By the end of the 20th Century, the United States and several other countries have fleets of nuclear-powered space bombers.

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* SpaceFighter: By the end of the 20th Century, the SpacePlane: The United States and several other countries have fleets of later the Soviet Union develop nuclear-powered space bombers.bombers that can land on runways, though how they take off is unspecified.
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* SchizoTech: Technological progress is all over the place in ''[=FaT=]''. The United States military introduces suborbital nuclear-powered bombers in 1959, but computer science stagnates massively. Already by 1966 the field is explicitly stated to be about five years behind our world. In ''Well Enough Alone'' a character marvels at a computer that fits inside a single room, and experts are mentioned as claiming the price of a personal computer to possibly decrease to less than one million pounds by 2020.

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* SchizoTech: Downplayed. Technological progress is all over happens in different areas at very different rates to reality; the place in ''[=FaT=]''. The United States military introduces suborbital nuclear-powered bombers in 1959, but other fields, such as computer science stagnates science, stagnate massively. Already by 1966 the field computing is explicitly stated to be about five years behind our world. In world, and in ''Well Enough Alone'' a character marvels at a computer that fits inside a single room, and experts are mentioned as claiming the price of a personal computer to possibly decrease to less than one million pounds by 2020.
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* GodzillaThreshold: Though there are several occasions where nuclear weapons are thrown about like confetti, it approaches being justified on one occasion – Kim Jong-Il's announcement of a nuclear weapon with world destroying capability. [[spoiler: Every nuclear power joins in on reducing the Korean Peninsula to radioactive slag.]]

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** Sheridan Flu emerges in the United States in the early 1970s, the result of a clandestine bio-warfare program led by Linus Pauling and a [[Series/{{MASH}} "Colonel]] [[Literature/TheStand Flagg"]], becoming a global pandemic, killing about 0.5% of the world's population. As a result, what remains of international trade pretty much collapses.
* PlayingWithSyringes: After Linus Pauling discovers the double helix structure of DNA, he is offered and accepts a job consulting a biological research facility in Puget Sound that comes with an immense salary and little responsibility. He doesn't know it's main purpose is biological warfare.


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* SyntheticPlague: After Linus Pauling discovers the double helix structure of DNA, he is offered and accepts a job consulting a biological research facility in Puget Sound that comes with an immense salary and little responsibility. He doesn't know it's main purpose is biological warfare. [[Series/{{MASH}} "Colonel]] [[Literature/TheStand Flagg"]] creates the Sheridan Flu in the early 1970s; a global pandemic that kills about 0.5% of the world's population. As a result, what remains of international trade pretty much collapses.
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* MoleInCharge: Downplayed. British spies working for the Soviet Union, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Philby Kim Philby]] and [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Burgess Guy Burgess]] rise to heights beyond what they achieved in our timeline, with the former becoming head of [=MI6=] and the latter Foreign Minister. [[spoiler: They are found out after the USSR presents an offer to opposition leader Aneurin Bevan, which he rejects. In return for them revealing the highly placed spies, which would disgrace the Conservative government, he would pledge to withdraw from [[TheAlliance the Amsterdam Pact]] and dismantle the UK's nuclear weapons.]]

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* RedScare: Thanks to a multipolar world order and serious unrest from other sources, this is significantly downplayed from our timeline in the fairly democratic Anglosphere. It's nonetheless a major phenomenon elsewhere, such as France, Venezuela, Westephalia, and the exiled Republic of China.



* YouHaveFailedMe: Reinhard Heydrich orders the launch of three V2 rockets containing sarin gas against the Red Army approaching Berlin. One misses entirely, and thanks to allied decryption the other two hit prepared troops and cause minimal casualties. After the follow up German offensive fails, the people responsible for the V2, including Wernher von Braun, are executed. Ironically, Stalin launches a purge of his own against the military intelligence for allowing the casualties of the poison gas.

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* YouHaveFailedMe: Reinhard Heydrich orders the launch of three V2 rockets containing sarin gas against the Red Army approaching Berlin. One misses entirely, and thanks to allied decryption the other two hit prepared troops and cause minimal casualties. After the follow up German offensive fails, the people responsible for the V2, including Wernher von Braun, are executed.executed, permanently crippling rocket technology. Ironically, Stalin launches a purge of his own against the military intelligence for allowing the casualties of the poison gas.
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* AteHisGun: Dying from intestinal cancer, [[spoiler: French ruler]] Admiral Francois Darlan commits suiside this way.
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* DividedStatesOfAmerica: Downplayed. After twice losing the Presidential election to [[spoiler: Jim Jones, California governor Charles Manson]] declares his state independent. The subsequent war lasts two years before the USA completely reconquers the wayward region.


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* EvilVersusEvil: A frequent occurrence in For All Time. Racial paramilitaries frequently battle each other in the streets of the USA, and both the 1976 and 1980 presidential elections are between [[spoiler: Jim Jones and Charles Manson.]] Nazi Germany falls into a three sided civil war where all factions are worse than the Allies they are also fighting, Communist East Africa wages a [[spoiler: nuclear]] war against apartheid South Africa, and so too do the USSR and the People's Republic of China.

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* DayOfTheJackboot: Though tyrants are a dime a dozen in For All Time, this trope is mostly averted due to the lack of [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure reasonable authority figures]] for them to take over from. One notable exception is when [[spoiler: Jim Jones]] replaces George [=McGovern=] as President of the USA.



* TyrantTakesTheHelm: Though tyrants are a dime a dozen in For All Time, this trope is mostly averted due to the lack of [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure reasonable authority figures]] for them to take over from. One notable exception is when Jim Jones replaces George [=McGovern=] as President of the USA.


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* WarComesHome: After fighting a series of overseas colonial wars in the mid-20th century against communists, nationalists, and communist nationalists, in 1969 [[spoiler: mass rebellion erupts in Wales, eventually leading to the secession of England from the United Kingdom]].

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* TheButcher: Raoul Salan earns himself the title of The Butcher of Bayeux due to his liberal use of nuclear weapons in suppressing Algerian separatism.



* NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast: Raoul Salan earns himself the title of The Butcher of Bayeux, and for good reason.
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* TyrantTakesTheHelm: Though tyrants are a dime a dozen in For All Time, this trope is mostly averted due to the lack of [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure reasonable authority figures]] for them to take over from. One notable exception is when Jim Jones replaces George [=McGovern=] as President of the USA.

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* KillerRabbit: A metaphorical example. When Spain invades the newly-communist Portugal in 1970, it expects an easy victory--look at a map, for crying out loud, Spain is six times larger! [[spoiler:As it turns out, Portugal had nukes.]]


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* SuperweaponSurprise: When Spain invades the newly-communist Portugal in 1970, it expects an easy victory--look at a map, for crying out loud, Spain is six times larger! [[spoiler:As it turns out, Portugal had nukes.]]
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* DarkerAndEdgier: Over time, the story becomes more and more dark when compared to the equivalent period of history. This begins with a slightly darker World War 2 than reality that ends with a lesser spread of Democracy thanks to an expanded Soviet bloc and a fascist France. Things start to veer further from our timeline in the '50s with increasing usage of nuclear weapons as a means of rebel suppression. In the second half of the '60s things take another turn for the worse with interstate nuclear wars occurring, and in the 1970s society is ravaged by a mix of natural and artificial plagues, major powers fight a nuclear war, and most of of the planet that had been democratic (as is the case with the USA and Australia) become dictatorships.
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: In reality, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eberhard_von_Breitenbuch Eberhard von Breitenbuch's]] attempt to assassinate Hitler failed when the Leader's SS guards refused him entrance to the room. In For All Time, his attempt is a year and a half later, but he is allowed into the conference room and though Hitler survives being shot, the event triggers a civil war between the German military and SS that [[spoiler: brings a swift end to the war in Europe]].

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* InItsHourOfNeed: Soviet General Secretary Mikhail Suslov refuses to evacuate Moscow when [[spoiler: nuclear war breaks out between the USSR and China. He killed when the city is destroyed by a three megaton nuke.]]



* RedChina: Like in our timeline, Mao Zedong emerges victorious in the Chinese Civil War. The Sino-Soviet split still happens, albeit under different circumstances, and the USSR's cutbacks to international spending results in most of the world's communist block being allied with China, most notably East Africa and [[spoiler: Argentina]]. The dispute with the USSR culminates in [[spoiler: Chairman Lin Biao starting a nuclear war which leaves hundreds of millions dead, China balkanized and vast swaths of the country uninhabitable]].

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* RedChina: Like in our timeline, Mao Zedong emerges victorious in the Chinese Civil War. The Sino-Soviet split still happens, albeit under different circumstances, and the USSR's cutbacks to international spending results in most of the developing world's communist block being allied with China, most notably East Africa and [[spoiler: Argentina]]. The dispute with the USSR culminates in [[spoiler: Chairman Lin Biao starting a nuclear war which leaves hundreds of millions dead, China balkanized and vast swaths of the country uninhabitable]].

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* IronicLastWords: See KilledMidSentence below.
* KilledMidSentence: Josef Goebbels, who becomes the center of the nuclear bombing of Nuremberg.

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IronicLastWords / KilledMidSentence: Josef Goebbels, who becomes the center of the nuclear bombing of Nuremberg.



* MustMakeAmends: After President Robert La Follette meets with a crowd of black activists and [[spoiler: his bodyguards massacre 120 and injure 200 of them]], causing rioting to break out in Washington, he holds a press conference where he takes responsibility for everything and [[spoiler: shoots himself on live TV]].

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* MustMakeAmends: MustMakeAmends / MyGodWhatHaveIDone: After President Robert La Follette meets with a crowd of black activists and [[spoiler: his bodyguards massacre 120 and injure 200 of them]], causing rioting to break out in Washington, he holds a press conference where he takes responsibility for everything and [[spoiler: shoots himself on live TV]].
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* MustMakeAmends: After President Robert La Follette meets with a crowd of black activists and [[spoiler: his bodyguards massacre 120 and injure 200 of them]], causing rioting to break out in Washington, he holds a press conference where he takes responsibility for everything and [[spoiler: shoots himself on live TV]].
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* WeaponForIntimidation: Downplayed. While Joseph Kennedy orders three nuclear weapons set off in Huk territory and a much larger area smothered in poison gas, he is unwilling to use further nukes and the USA is rapidly running out of chemical weapons. The only way the attack can work is if it convinces the Huk to surrender quickly.
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* RedChina: Like in our timeline, Mao Zedong emerges victorious in the Chinese Civil War. The Sino-Soviet split still happens, albeit under different circumstances, and the USSR's cutbacks to international spending results in most of the world's communist block being allied with China, most notably East Africa and [[spoiler: Argentina]]. The dispute with the USSR culminates in [[spoiler: Chairman Lin Biao starting a nuclear war which leaves hundreds of millions dead, China balkanized and vast swaths of the country uninhabitable]].

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* FailureHero: President Wallace. Just about all of his plans blow up in his face, most notably the desegregation of the armed forces.



* FailureHero: President Wallace. Just about all of his plans blow up in his face, most notably the desegregation of the armed forces.



* IllegalReligion: After [[spoiler: the collapse of the Jerusalem League]], the Grand Hebrew Republic founded in its wake effectively outlaws Islam.



* IllegalReligion: After [[spoiler: the collapse of the Jerusalem League]], the Grand Hebrew Republic founded in its wake effectively outlaws Islam.



WonTheWarLostThePeace: The rebellions that shake France from 1965 end with victory for most of the rebels, and [[spoiler: Jean Bedel-Bokassa riding the chaos to become emperor fighting against them.]] The country is devastated after losing three years of war, and a famine begins that he alleviates through [[spoiler: the mass murder and consumption of political prisoners.]] This becoming public knowledge leads to another round of rebellions which balkanize France.

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* WonTheWarLostThePeace: The rebellions that shake France from 1965 end with victory for most of the rebels, and [[spoiler: Jean Bedel-Bokassa riding the chaos to become emperor fighting against them.]] The country is devastated after losing three years of war, and a famine begins that he alleviates through [[spoiler: the mass murder and consumption of political prisoners.]] This becoming public knowledge leads to another round of rebellions which balkanize France.

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A spiritual sequel/update titled "For All Time: Well Enough Alone" was written on AH.com by user "Lord Roem". It brings the story up to 2008 and gives it a final conclusion. It can be found [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/for-all-time-well-enough-alone.111344/ here]]. An "[[MirrorUniverse antithesis]]" story titled ''For All Eternity'' was also written, inverting the point of divergence to attempting to create a timeline where things turned out much better than our world.

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A spiritual sequel/update titled "For All Time: Well Enough Alone" was written on AH.com by user "Lord Roem". It brings the story up to 2008 and gives it a final conclusion. It can be found [[http://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/for-all-time-well-enough-alone.111344/ here]]. An "[[MirrorUniverse antithesis]]" story titled ''For All Eternity'' was also written, inverting the point of divergence to attempting attempt to create a timeline where things turned out much better than our world.


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* PyrrhicVictory: Though Greater South Africa defeats East Africa in their 1971 nuclear war, large chunks of the country are left uninhabitable and its apartheid government is destroyed.


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WonTheWarLostThePeace: The rebellions that shake France from 1965 end with victory for most of the rebels, and [[spoiler: Jean Bedel-Bokassa riding the chaos to become emperor fighting against them.]] The country is devastated after losing three years of war, and a famine begins that he alleviates through [[spoiler: the mass murder and consumption of political prisoners.]] This becoming public knowledge leads to another round of rebellions which balkanize France.
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* PlayingWithSyringes: After Linus Pauling discovers the double helix structure of DNA, he is offered and accepts a job consulting a biological research facility in Puget Sound that comes with an immense salary and little responsibility. He doesn't know it's main purpose is biological warfare.
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* TheGeneralissimo: Military dictatorship is a very common form of government in For All Time, but one in particular stands out. During World War 2, Admiral Pierre Darlan declares himself head of the French government, securing the Maghreb for the Allies. Then able to lead the French forces liberating the Metropole from Nazi Germany to cement himself as ruler of the country. His first move is to encourage the murder of anyone likely to threaten his hold on power, which he holds until his death [[spoiler: by suicide]].

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* BenevolentDictator: Gough Whitlam and later Charles Yu are this for Australia, later Australasia.

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* BenevolentDictator: Gough Whitlam and later Charles Yu Yue are this for Australia, later Australasia.


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* DemocracyIsFlawed: Plenty of bad leaders are elected democratically in For All Time. For instance, racist British Prime Minister Enoch Powell, whose alienation of Welsh voters leads to a Welsh independence movement that resorts to terrorism, is able to take office thanks to the poor economy, loss of empire and South Asian immigration, things that either appeal to people's worse instincts or are largely beyond Labor's control. Nonetheless, thanks to democratic accountability, he only holds office for three years and does only a tiny fraction the damage of the worst unelected leaders.

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