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A little detail regarding \"paying for computing time\"
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* TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture: The first human time is the year 2000 in a book written in 1980. There's not a lot of tech development though there are no personal computers and no internet. The idea of ''any'' computer time being a valuable resource you have to pay for time on in the year 2000 is kind of funny in retrospect.
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* TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture: The first human time is the year 2000 in a book written in 1980. There's not a lot of tech development though there are no personal computers and no internet. The idea of ''any'' computer time being a valuable resource you have to pay for time on in the year 2000 is kind of funny in retrospect. The nearest to this is the booking system in supercomputers and clusters, only the little difference that is no money involved, or Amazon's EC2.
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* ContrivedCoincidence: The humans meeting up with the Cheela right as they developed society. If the trip had been scheduled just a few weeks (or days!) earlier the humans may have missed them. A few weeks later and the Cheela may have developed some tech already on their own.
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* TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture: The first human time is the year 2000 in a book written in 1980. There's not a lot of tech development though there are no personal computers and no internet. The idea of ''any'' computer time being a valuable resource you have to pay for in the year 2000 is kind of funny in retrospect.
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* TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture: The first human time is the year 2000 in a book written in 1980. There's not a lot of tech development though there are no personal computers and no internet. The idea of ''any'' computer time being a valuable resource you have to pay for time on in the year 2000 is kind of funny in retrospect.
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* FigureItOutYourself: After cheela science advances far beyond human knowledge, they give the humans an encyclopedia... of entries encrypted using keys based on the new scientific knowledge in the files. For instance, the explanation of {{faster than light travel}} is encrypted with a key engraved on an object placed in another star system. Thus, the humans need to figure things out for themselves, but when they do the files will confirm that they got the right answers and perhaps provide additional details.
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* [[ImAHumanitarian I'm a Cheelatarian]]
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* [[ImAHumanitarian I'm a Cheelatarian]]Cheelatarian]]: The Cheela think absolutely ''nothing'' of eating their dead.
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* AntiGravity: One of the first things the Cheela invent on their own. Notably, they develop it before flight -- it's actually the basis of their aerospace engineering, since in Dragon's Egg's gravity you can't get airborne without it.
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* AntiGravity: One of the first things the Cheela invent on their own that is a technology beyond our own. Notably, they develop it before flight -- it's actually the basis of their aerospace engineering, since in Dragon's Egg's gravity you can't get airborne without it.
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+ TechnologyLevels: Mostly averted. The Cheela's technological development is very loosely patterned after the mankind's, but their different environment imposes important differences. See AliensNeverInventedTheWheel and AntiGravity above for more.
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* TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture: The first human time is the year 2000 in a book written in 1980. There's not a lot of tech development though there are no personal computers and no internet. The idea of ''any'' computer time being a valuable resource you have to pay for in the year 2000 is kind of funny in retrospect.
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* [[ImAHumanitarian I'm a Cheelatarian]]
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* MinovskyPhysics: Pretty much all of the human technology that didn't already exist when the book was written is based on [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_monopole magnetic monopoles]], particles that are actually discussed by RealLife physicists (though they remain hypothetical for now). Forward explains in great detail the physics behind the monopole-using tech. Which brings us to...
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* AntiGravity: One of the first things the Cheela invent on their own. Notably, they develop it before flight -- it's actually the basis of their aerospace engineering, since in Dragon's Egg's gravity you can't get airborne without it.
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+ TechnologyLevels: Mostly averted. The Cheela's technological development is very loosely patterned after the mankind's, but their different environment imposes important differences. See AliensNeverInventedTheWheel and AntiGravity above for more.
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* AliensNeverInventedTheWheel: Wheels are never mentioned in the book: the Cheela use sleighs. While it's not explicitly stated, it's easy to surmise that in the neutron star's extreme gravitaty a technology where some part -- such as an axle -- needs to be lifted off the ground is not practical.
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* AliensNeverInventedTheWheel: Wheels are never mentioned in the book: the Cheela use sleighs. While it's not explicitly stated, it's easy to surmise that that, in the neutron star's extreme gravitaty gravity, a technology where some part -- such as an axle -- needs to be lifted off the ground is not practical.
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* AlternativeNumberSystem: The Cheela use base 12.
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* AliensNeverInventedTheWheel: Wheels are never mentioned in the book: the Cheela use sleighs. While it's not explicitly stated, it's easy to surmise that in the neutron star's extreme gravitaty a technology where some part -- such as an axle -- needs to be lifted off the ground is not practical.
* AlternativeNumberSystem: The Cheela use base12.12, since they have 12 eyes.
* AlternativeNumberSystem: The Cheela use base
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* HeavyWorlder: One of the most extreme examples.
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Rewrote the \"Year Inside\" entry completely as the time-scale was incorrect at nearly every point
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* YearInsideHourOutside: For every human second, five days go by for a Cheela. (It's taken you a "Cheela week" just to read from "YearInsideHourOutside" to this point!) A Cheela lifetime runs about 15 minutes on average. One human character goes to bed annoyed that he'll be asleep for the Cheela equivalent of a millennium.
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* YearInsideHourOutside: For every twenty-nine human second, five days go seconds, about a year goes by for a Cheela. (It's taken you (Reading this out loud at a "Cheela week" just to read normal pace from "YearInsideHourOutside" to this point!) point takes about six months of Cheela time.) A Cheela lifetime runs about 15 minutes 90 "greats" (approximately forty-four minutes) on average. One human character goes to bed annoyed that he'll be asleep for the Cheela equivalent of a millennium.
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5 days is a poor analogue, the Cheela do not have days per se, and \"turns\" are not analogous to them
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It is a first contact story about humans meeting the [[StarfishAliens Cheela]], a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela. Was followed by a sequel, ''Starquake''.
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It is a first contact story about humans meeting the [[StarfishAliens Cheela]], a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second twenty-nine seconds for a human is five days the rough equivalent of a year for a Cheela. Was followed by a sequel, ''Starquake''.
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* FlatCharacter: The humans in this story who are visiting the Cheela have a few simple characterisaitics, but are nothing more than a device to bring the Cheela in. The Cheela are far richer characters.
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* FlatCharacter: The humans in this story who are visiting the Cheela have a few simple characterisaitics, characteristics, but are nothing more than a device to bring the Cheela in. The Cheela are far richer characters.
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It is a first contact story about humans meeting the [[StarfishAliens Cheela]], a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela.
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It is a first contact story about humans meeting the [[StarfishAliens Cheela]], a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela. \n Was followed by a sequel, ''Starquake''.
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* YearInsideHourOutside: For every human second, five days go by for a Cheela. (It's taken you a "Cheela week" just to read to this point!) A Cheela lifetime runs about 15 minutes on average. One human character goes to bed annoyed that he'll be asleep for the Cheela equivalent of a millennium.
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* YearInsideHourOutside: For every human second, five days go by for a Cheela. (It's taken you a "Cheela week" just to read from "YearInsideHourOutside" to this point!) A Cheela lifetime runs about 15 minutes on average. One human character goes to bed annoyed that he'll be asleep for the Cheela equivalent of a millennium.
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* ScavengerHunt: The Cheela eventually surpass humanity and give them the secret of interstellar travel [[spoiler: but in it's encrypted with the key listed as "written on a pyramid on the fifth planet of Epsilon Eridani".]]
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* APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil: Averted. The humans upload their encyclopedia to the Cheela who quickly outpace humans, but they take on the role of a good teacher instead.
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It is a first contact story about humans meeting the Cheela, a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela.
Notable as a hard science fiction
Notable as a hard science fiction
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It is a first contact story about humans meeting the Cheela, [[StarfishAliens Cheela]], a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela.
Notable as a hard sciencefiction
fiction story in that the science tends to be the focus.
Notable as a hard science
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* CrystalDragonJesus: The story of Pink-Eyes.
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It is a first contact story about humans meeting the Cheela, a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela.
Cheela.
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* FlatCharacter: The humans in this story who are visiting the Cheela have a few simple characterisaitics, but are nothing more than a device to bring the Cheela in. The Cheela are far richer characters.
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* NoAntagonist: In terms of the overarching plot of FirstContact. The Cheela go through a great deal of time and conflicts happen in each time period, but there is no BigBad in the book.
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* AncientAstronauts: That is, we are. The arrival of the human spacecraft is so slow from their standpoint they worship it as a god. By the time we actually make contact, the Cheela are a little smarter.
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* MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness: A 5.5. It's considered to be a fine example of hard sci-fi.
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FirstContact: Humans meeting the primitive Cheela.
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SpaceElevator: The Cheela need one of sorts to get off of the star.
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* TimeStandsStillTimeStandsStill: That's about how the humans look to the Cheela.
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Dragon's Egg is a 1980 hard science fiction novel by Robert L. Forward.
It is a first contact story about humans meeting the Cheela, a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela.
!!Tropes in this book:
*AlternativeNumberSystem: The Cheela use base 12.
*AncientAstronauts: That is, we are.
*BizarreAlienBiology
*BlobMonster
*ExtraEyes: 12, in a circle.
*FirstContact
*FirstContactMath
*InnocentAliens: The Cheela have as many differences between them as any race, but they don't mean any harm to humans.
*StarfishAliens
*TechnologyMarchesOn: A bit for the humans, a ''lot'' for the Cheela.
*YearInsideHourOutside: For every human second, five days go by for a Cheela. (It's taken you a "Cheela week" just to read to this point!) A Cheela lifetime runs about 15 minutes on average. One human character goes to bed annoyed that he'll be asleep for the Cheela equivalent of a millennium.
It is a first contact story about humans meeting the Cheela, a race of beings who live on the surface of a neutron star. Both races live at a different time frame - one second for a human is five days for a Cheela.
!!Tropes in this book:
*AlternativeNumberSystem: The Cheela use base 12.
*AncientAstronauts: That is, we are.
*BizarreAlienBiology
*BlobMonster
*ExtraEyes: 12, in a circle.
*FirstContact
*FirstContactMath
*InnocentAliens: The Cheela have as many differences between them as any race, but they don't mean any harm to humans.
*StarfishAliens
*TechnologyMarchesOn: A bit for the humans, a ''lot'' for the Cheela.
*YearInsideHourOutside: For every human second, five days go by for a Cheela. (It's taken you a "Cheela week" just to read to this point!) A Cheela lifetime runs about 15 minutes on average. One human character goes to bed annoyed that he'll be asleep for the Cheela equivalent of a millennium.
